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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: TVC15 on May 17, 2008, 05:37:43 AM

Title: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: TVC15 on May 17, 2008, 05:37:43 AM
I'm not an expert on the man, but I've gotten really into his big movies over the past couple of months.  I see nothing in his biography that would indicate the apparent drop off in his public presence/film quality.  From the early 70s to the early 80s he was the motherfucking shit.  Since then, he's still been working, but nothing noteworthy.  Did he piss people off?  Is it because they don't make many gritty 70s-y scripts anymore?

I watched Network for the first time since the rise of lowest common denominator Fox news-inspired punditry, and it's motherfucking scary how prophetic that movie is.  And I thought it was pretty prophetic watching it in the mid-to-late 90s.  It's funny reading about how people thought the script was too ridiculous back in the day, when now I wouldn't bat an eye if many of the events portrayed in it actually happened. 
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Eric P on May 17, 2008, 07:44:30 AM
maybe it was The Wiz?
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Mupepe on May 17, 2008, 08:12:54 AM
maybe it was The Wiz?
:lol
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: max_cool on May 17, 2008, 08:23:29 AM
Did he stop doing coke? You know, like Chevy Chase and Robin Williams among other people who were funny but then stopped doing coke and became lame.

I should start snotting some of that shit.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Ichirou on May 17, 2008, 08:28:33 AM
He made a lot of shitty movies in the '80s and he's not really an auteur, just a classy director.  Lots of critics still shit all over him - Armand White constantly insults him.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 17, 2008, 11:58:42 AM
he ran hot & cold in the 80's and 90's.  Kind of like a used to be awesome ballplayer with a declining batting average.

Awesome
Deathtrap
The Morning After
Q&A

Pretty Good-to-decent

Guilty as Sin
Find Me Guilty
Night Falls on Manhattan

Disappointing to not-so-good
Family Business
Power
Gloria

There's a lot of his later, hell, earlier work that I haven't seen so I can't comment on it.  Some of those are only hazily remembered viewings from HBO ten years ago (I remembered liking a Don Johnson movie?).  But up until the 90's his films were consistently feted by the Academy Awards.  He didn't really drop off in the 80's, more like he just wasn't the on the hot streak anymore that he hit in the 70's.

ps
Deathtrap is effing great.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 17, 2008, 12:35:24 PM
:bow Network :bow2

It really is amazing how he nailed it.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Eric P on May 17, 2008, 02:10:44 PM
ps
Deathtrap is effing great.

i am 30 minutes into it thanks to netflix watch instantly

and i am very tempted to quit because of micheal caine's wife or whomever.  very shrill
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Eric P on May 17, 2008, 02:18:56 PM
and i gave up.

sorry.

she was just shrill and over acting and generally just got in the way, not of the story or the  other actors, but in the way of my enjoyment

alas
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: TVC15 on May 17, 2008, 04:06:58 PM
I am trying to decide on whether to watch Before the Devil Knows Your Dead or Dog Day Afternoon on BD.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Mupepe on May 17, 2008, 04:10:00 PM
before the devil knows youre dead.  only because i haven't seen it and i want to.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Solo on May 17, 2008, 04:16:35 PM
Before The Devil Knows Your Dead is a real return to form.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: bud on May 17, 2008, 04:18:00 PM
:bow Network :bow2

It really is amazing how he nailed it.

this movie introduced me to the 70's boob

you know, the kind that makes you wanna hate 'em

they're not common anymore, though, it seems
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: TVC15 on May 17, 2008, 04:20:11 PM
There are two kinds of men in this world.  Those that love 70s boobs, and those that hate 70s boobs.  Everyone knows what side I am on.  I muttered the words "70s boobs" while purchasing Logan's Run.  And it was like a pinata garden of 70s boobs.  It was wonderful.
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2008, 04:30:07 PM
70s bush :bow
70s boob :bow
vintage porn :bow
Title: Re: Is there an actual reason Sidney Lumet "fell off" in the 80s?
Post by: bud on May 17, 2008, 04:33:00 PM
vintage porn is very nice indeed

the performances were pretty good and believable back then

xvideos has some nice long videos