THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2008, 08:20:42 AM
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Cover:Mad World
Hype
Killzone 2
Guitar Hero 4
Pure
Maifa 2
Mercenaries 2
Bourne Conspiracy
Star Wars: Force Unleashed
World of Goo
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Pixeljunk Eden
Silent Hill Homecoming
Siren:New Translation
Rise of the Argonauts
Battleforge
Cryostasis
Features
Alpha Protocol
Platinum Games
Burnout Dlc
Net Yaroze Interviews
Runescape
Reviews
Metal Gear Solid 4 8
Haze (5)
Grid (9)
Lego Indiana Jones (6)
Boom Blox 8
Civilzation Revolution 8
Lostwinds 8
Baroque (5)
Iron Man (2)
Soul Bubbles (7)
Noitu Love 2 (7)
Track and Field (7)
1942: Joint Strike (4)
Commando 3 (6)
Region Specific: Singapore
Time Extend: Star Fox 64
The Making of: Carmageddon
- Opening act is the best part
- Not a game for MGS outsiders
- two cut-scenes near the 90 minute mark
- The Beauty and the Beast Unit are in the shadow of the MGS3 Cobra Unit.
- Camera flow effortless between 1st and 3rd person view
- Control system has "at last" the ideal balance of intuitvness and range.
- Game can be played for months rather than days.
- MGS4 is not the game it could of been, nor the game it should have been if you believed the early trailers (??)
- But is very faithful to its fans and delivers without equal in so many ways.
TWO NINTEY MINUTE CUT SCENES!?!? :zzz
:lol @ Iron Man & Haze
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I really don't care because i know what to expect from Mgs4, and for me it's a default 10.
That said, it doesn't surprise me the least to see a publication like EDGE score MGS4 like this. They say MGs4 has two cut scenes that near the 90 minute mark. Since EDGE is here to review games, i don't see how watching movies is supposed to be a good use of the medium.
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I honestly thought it would geta 9, it got the same glowing previews and features GTA did.
In the time of those two 90 minute cut scenes you could finish Lost Winds
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two cut-scenes near the 90 minute mark
(http://www.uploadandgo.com/images/AAa_Cardinals_suicide.jpg)
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Two of them?
Seriously, does it give you a warning? I mean that's something you've gotta plan your playing time around.
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Are there any racing sections in MGS4?Why do some people compare GRID to MGS4?*
*Rhetorical question
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Are there any racing sections in MGS4?Why do some people compare GRID to MGS4?*
*Rhetorical question
No-one has compared the two games here so far...
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I just can't believe people are looking forward to watching 90 minute cut scenes in any game, let alone a fucking MGS one. Jesus Christ, just how stupid do you have to be to enjoy MGS's storyline? It's embarrassingly dumb. But I guess if you're too busy beating off to anime in your parent's basement all day long you probably wouldn't notice.
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I just can't believe people are looking forward to watching 90 minute cut scenes in any game, let alone a fucking MGS one. Jesus Christ, just how stupid do you have to be to enjoy MGS's storyline? It's embarrassingly dumb. But I guess if you're too busy beating off to anime in your parent's basement all day long you probably wouldn't notice.
but its kojima-san ^______________^
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Hopefully they allow to stop and save in between cutscenes.
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I honestly thought it would geta 9, it got the same glowing previews and features GTA did.
In the time of those two 90 minute cut scenes you could finish Lost Winds
You had trouble jumping in Lost Winds if I recall correctly ...
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The Cobra Unit wasn't THAT awesome. Besides The End and The Boss, I found all of the others' situations and battles very tacky.
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I can't believe that there are two (!) cutscenes that are close to 90 minutes. That's nowhere near the length of scenes in previous games even. wouldn't be surprised if that's not entirely accurate
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I can't believe that there are two (!) cutscenes that are close to 90 minutes. That's nowhere near the length of scenes in previous games even. wouldn't be surprised if that's not entirely accurate
I can't believe it either. Even two cutscenes of 45 minutes each seems ridiculous. Seriously, you 'suck' as a game story teller if you need that much continuous non-interactivity to tell your story.
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I think the reactions to the 8 reviews solidify the transition of Sfags to Nfags. They are now truly and completely the blubbery man children of the gaming world, hopelessly devoted and rabidly defensive against any perceived slight.
The nfags, on the other hand, now have excellent hand eye coordination and will soon have flat stomachs and tight asses.
This is a new world.
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I think the reactions to the 8 reviews solidify the transition of Sfags to Nfags. They are now truly and completely the blubbery man children of the gaming world, hopelessly devoted and rabidly defensive against any perceived slight.
The nfags, on the other hand, now have excellent hand eye coordination and will soon have flat stomachs and tight asses.
This is a new world.
you should've posted this in the gaf thread instead of your current reply
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I think the reactions to the 8 reviews solidify the transition of Sfags to Nfags. They are now truly and completely the blubbery man children of the gaming world, hopelessly devoted and rabidly defensive against any perceived slight.
The nfags, on the other hand, now have excellent hand eye coordination and will soon have flat stomachs and tight asses.
This is a new world.
you should've posted this in the gaf thread instead of your current reply
he'd get banned for the use of nfag en sfag
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GAF would be much more fun if you could actually call people X/N/Sfags.
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Repeat after me: IRREVELANCY on US market.
Agreed. Its going to make MGS3 first month sales look stellar.
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Flaghsip title of a PLAYSTATION Franchise (MGS4) once again falls on it face when facing flagship title of XBOX Franchise (Halo 3).
The Edge Halo 3 review might be the single most pathetic review I've read. Finally playing Halo 3 for myself, the first thing that came to mind was that review, and wondering what in the hell game Edge played.
I just can't believe people are looking forward to watching 90 minute cut scenes in any game, let alone a fucking MGS one. Jesus Christ, just how stupid do you have to be to enjoy MGS's storyline? It's embarrassingly dumb.
Well, I agree with you, but people seem to enjoy that story. It's convoluted and it's got a bunch of wacky characters, so yeah, people will like it. At least with MGS I know that the ridiculous story will be placed front and center, which is better than sequels where the developer for one reason or the other has decided that the shitty and stolen story of its game is worth a place in the spotlight.
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Even if you enjoy the story, this isn't Advent Children. There are better ways to present the story than a continuous lengthy cutscene.
5 minutes, ok. 45+? Huh?
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Oh, I agree. I've always viewed Kojima's convoluted and drawn out approach as little more than a substitute for real story telling skills. But that doesn't mean that people, MGS fans, won't like it.
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Even if you enjoy the story, this isn't Advent Children. There are better ways to present the story than a continuous lengthy cutscene.
5 minutes, ok. 45+? Huh?
True. I must say however, that as a MGS fan i am happy that the game is what it is. Call it guilty pleasure or whatever, but when i hear stuff like that i feel like MGS4 was done specifically for me, for the MGS fans like me.
That's not saying that i wish all games to be like this, because i don't. However i don't want games to be the opposite, like Bourne Conspiracy that basically strips away the story and gives you a shooting gallery, thats not fun either.
But the difference between me, and the morons that are attacking Edge and Eurogamer etc, is that i understand the bad things MGs brings with it, and how it's far from a perfect game.
When i look at the 8, i just want to read the review and see what Edge thought about it. But those faggoty ass morons that only care about the score, are worthless pieces of shit, that are only worried about how high it ranks against exclusives in the other consoles.
Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
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I think the reactions to the 8 reviews solidify the transition of Sfags to Nfags. They are now truly and completely the blubbery man children of the gaming world, hopelessly devoted and rabidly defensive against any perceived slight.
The nfags, on the other hand, now have excellent hand eye coordination and will soon have flat stomachs and tight asses.
This is a new world.
You're such an amazing poster. I still have your take (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6662240&postcount=100) on action games bookmarked so I can set people straight when they start complaining about difficulty or stupid storylines in action games.
:bow Draft :bow2
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Even if you enjoy the story, this isn't Advent Children. There are better ways to present the story than a continuous lengthy cutscene.
5 minutes, ok. 45+? Huh?
True. I must say however, that as a MGS fan i am happy that the game is what it is. Call it guilty pleasure or whatever, but when i hear stuff like that i feel like MGS4 was done specifically for me, for the MGS fans like me.
That's not saying that i wish all games to be like this, because i don't. However i don't want games to be the opposite, like Bourne Conspiracy that basically strips away the story and gives you a shooting gallery, thats not fun either.
But the difference between me, and the morons that are attacking Edge and Eurogamer etc, is that i understand the bad things MGs brings with it, and how it's far from a perfect game.
When i look at the 8, i just want to read the review and see what Edge thought about it. But those faggoty ass morons that only care about the score, are worthless pieces of shit, that are only worried about how high it ranks against exclusives in the other consoles.
Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
So you don't even care about PS3 sales domination :maf
commie
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two cut-scenes near the 90 minute mark
(http://www.uploadandgo.com/images/AAa_Cardinals_suicide.jpg)
:lol :lol :lol
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Out of at this point morbid curiosity, do you know what they had to say about Haze? Mostly wondering because Edge offered a slight glimmer of hope some month before the game was actually released, so I'm curious to hear what they think went wrong.
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The hate for MGS is strong in this forum.
Oh well, your loss guys.
MGS :bow2
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Heh. MGS with Xenosaga levels of cutscences. Probably just as convulted to boot
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"AHHHHH EDGE AND MTV ARE POSTING FUDDY DICKS I'LL KILL THEM"
-ynos yrros
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I think the reactions to the 8 reviews solidify the transition of Sfags to Nfags. They are now truly and completely the blubbery man children of the gaming world, hopelessly devoted and rabidly defensive against any perceived slight.
The nfags, on the other hand, now have excellent hand eye coordination and will soon have flat stomachs and tight asses.
This is a new world.
You're such an amazing poster. I still have your take (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6662240&postcount=100) on action games bookmarked so I can set people straight when they start complaining about difficulty or stupid storylines in action games.
:bow Draft :bow2
Just read that post. HILARIOUS. :bow2 (I do love god of war)
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"AHHHHH EDGE AND MTV ARE POSTING FUDDY DICKS I'LL KILL THEM"
-ynos yrros
He just might, you know
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The first time I ever rolled my eyes at a videogame was when I heard the "can love bloom on a battlefield" speech from MGS1. I can't believe that there is an entire cult that eats up that tripe.
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The first time I ever rolled my eyes at a videogame was when I heard the "can love bloom on a battlefield" speech from MGS1. I can't believe that there is an entire cult that eats up that tripe.
People Gamers are accustomed to swallowing stupid shit. I think COD4 is the only "serious" game in recent years that hasn't made me roll my eyes from all the cheese. What's worse than the banal and silly is when the incredibly lame is presented as something very epic, and very serious.
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ynos yrros is such a terrible poster.
I'm anticipating MGS, but whatever. I'll judge it when I play it. I don't MGS will ever have a cast as awesome as MGS1's.
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I don't understand his name. Sorry Sony? What's that even supposed to mean?
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I was assumed he was some sort of ironic joke character but it turns out he's just a loony.
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I like Edge but I don't always agree with them. They gave Halo 3 a 10 so they're obviously not always right.
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Are we absolutely POSITIVE that there are 90-minute cutscenes? Because that sounds utterly insane. Are you sure they're not just 20 minutes but they FEEL like an hour and a half?
Comparatively, one of the Xenosagas had a 45-minute cutscene and everyone was like "NOOOOOO WAYYYYYYYYY", that was great
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eh, they gave the same score to 2 and 3. i don't really see what the big deal is here. scores lol.
some of you people... :-\
The hate for MGS is strong in this forum.
Oh well, your loss guys.
MGS :bow2
:bow :bow :bow
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eh, they gave the same score to 2 and 3. i don't really see what the big deal is here. scores lol.
And MGS3 is my favorite game of all time.
So I'm not really worried about it's quality.
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Let us band together my MGS bretheren. Let us band together and bukkake mgs trolls :bow
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:bow :bow Metal Gear Ghost Babel on GBC :bow2 :bow2
:bow Metal Gear Portable Ops :bow2
:piss Cutscene-laden rubbish :piss2
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ynos yrros is such a terrible poster.
I'm anticipating MGS, but whatever. I'll judge it when I play it. I don't MGS will ever have a cast as awesome as MGS1's.
See, that's the thing. I'm a huge fan of MGS, but not because of the story, it's the characters. The characters had so much charisma to them, even the ones that died in the same cutscene you met them have alot of flesh to them that never bores. I think as time has gone on, Kojima and his team have forgotten that's what made MGS1 so great. Every time you killed a boss, it felt like something huge because every boss had this huge backstory, so it was almost as you killed a person with a past and future, and it weighed heavy on the player (the first time at least) and that's what I'm people enjoy, but just lump that feeling in with "story" when it's the characters and writing that shine so brightly.
MGS2 had quite a bit of character exposition, but it just wasn't the same as MGS1's concise and easier briefings on characters. Also, the characters weren't nearly as likable.
It's like the movie The Princess Bride. The story is absolute shit, but the characters turn it into an infinitely watchable little fantasy story. It's the same reason people are able to return to MGS1 over and over again. TTS failed in carrying the magic of the first through the remake process because they drastically changed the characters, especially Snake, who went from weathered Plisskin badass to Super Hero Missile Dodging Douchface, add homo.
That's my two cents.
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EDGE lost its credibility after giving Halo 3 a 10. I'm still in awe.
An 8 is still a great score though. I don't know why someone should meltdown over it.
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I think all great games should have extensive cutscenes. Imagine how much better the Williams Pinball Collection would have been if, after you activate multi-ball, you got a 45-minute CG sequence of Pin-bot contemplating what it truly means to be human
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An 8 is still a great score though. I don't know why someone should meltdown over it.
I'm totally with you on this, I think 8 is a very good score, especially from Edge. However, it's a typical irrational kneejerk fanboy reaction. Remember the stupid uproar over the 8.9 that Gamespot gave Twilight Princess?
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I like Edge but I don't always agree with them. They gave Halo 3 a 10 so they're obviously not always right.
There's no right or wrong when you are reviewing games, at least when you attribute good scores to good games. How good of a score it is however, will be different for many people.
I can see how Halo 3 is a 10. I think it's a great game, i really liked it, but to me it wasn't a 10, taking into account my level of enjoyment with that game. MGS4 will probably be a 10 for me, like previous MGSs, but that doesn't fucking mean that my "10", based on my level of enjoyment, is any less wrong than EDGE 8.
It's as simple as that. We like to throw shit out there, but we aren't anymore right than those who review the games. I don't like Super Mario Galaxy, i think it's boring. But i'm not gonna say that Edge is wrong for giving it a 10, etc etc
People that feel affected by Halo 3 getting a 10 or MGs4 getting an 8, seriously need to change their life, it's all downhill from that point on people.
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An 8 is still a great score though. I don't know why someone should meltdown over it.
I'm totally with you on this, I think 8 is a very good score, especially from Edge. However, it's a typical irrational kneejerk fanboy reaction. Remember the stupid uproar over the 8.9 that Gamespot gave Twilight Princess?
8.8
Never forget.
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An 8 is still a great score though. I don't know why someone should meltdown over it.
I'm totally with you on this, I think 8 is a very good score, especially from Edge. However, it's a typical irrational kneejerk fanboy reaction. Remember the stupid uproar over the 8.9 that Gamespot gave Twilight Princess?
8.8
Never forget.
:lol
That just shows how much I don't care.
:lol
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It was the Gamecube version that got an 8.9.
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EDGE lost its credibility after giving Halo 3 a 10. I'm still in awe.
An 8 is still a great score though. I don't know why someone should meltdown over it.
How can 8 be a good score when they lost their credibility?
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EDGE lost its credibility after giving Halo 3 a 10. I'm still in awe.
An 8 is still a great score though. I don't know why someone should meltdown over it.
How can 8 be a good score when they lost their credibility?
It was in general. No matter who reviews it, an 8 is still a good score. IMO
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ynos yrros is such a terrible poster.
I'm anticipating MGS, but whatever. I'll judge it when I play it. I don't MGS will ever have a cast as awesome as MGS1's.
See, that's the thing. I'm a huge fan of MGS, but not because of the story, it's the characters. The characters had so much charisma to them, even the ones that died in the same cutscene you met them have alot of flesh to them that never bores. I think as time has gone on, Kojima and his team have forgotten that's what made MGS1 so great. Every time you killed a boss, it felt like something huge because every boss had this huge backstory, so it was almost as you killed a person with a past and future, and it weighed heavy on the player (the first time at least) and that's what I'm people enjoy, but just lump that feeling in with "story" when it's the characters and writing that shine so brightly.
MGS2 had quite a bit of character exposition, but it just wasn't the same as MGS1's concise and easier briefings on characters. Also, the characters weren't nearly as likable.
It's like the movie The Princess Bride. The story is absolute shit, but the characters turn it into an infinitely watchable little fantasy story. It's the same reason people are able to return to MGS1 over and over again. TTS failed in carrying the magic of the first through the remake process because they drastically changed the characters, especially Snake, who went from weathered Plisskin badass to Super Hero Missile Dodging Douchface, add homo.
That's my two cents.
Agreed.The stories are pretty lol, in a comic book super hero sorta way. But the characters...I love the characters.
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I love MGS. I just don't understand the adoration with the story.
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I love MGS. I just don't understand the adoration with the story.
Because our opinion is that it's great. SHOCK AND AWE I KNOW
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90 minute cut-scenes? Even MGS3's cut-scenes were ridiculously long and lame. This shit should give plenty of unintentional laughs. :rofl
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I love MGS. I just don't understand the adoration with the story.
People love animes like Naruto, Bleach, etc etc etc
MGS is very much at an "Anime" level of quality. I don't understand what's so bad about the whole thing. Sure it's not at the same quality as many movies, but why compare it to movies when it looks much more like anime?!
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Even if it were anime it'd be pretty uhh wtf. But yeah, most anime fans have really bad taste so whatever.
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
Even if it were anime it'd be pretty uhh wtf.
No not really.
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
It just means I have awesome taste in anime.
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I despise anime, and love the MGS story.
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
It just means I have awesome taste in anime.
Probably means that the anime you like has almost no action at all.
I despise anime, and love the MGS story.
Selective taste. MGS story is no better than the stuff you see in anime.
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
Even if it were anime it'd be pretty uhh wtf.
No not really.
MGS1 had a pretty good story, it wasn't very anime'ish to me aside from Psycho Mantis. MGS2 is when this whole anime thing started, with gay vampires and the like. MGS3 mostly upped that to ten fold with dudes that can attack with bees.
You're telling me it'd be adored even if it were an anime? Well, I guess you're right. Full Metal Panic has an absolutely awful story full of robots and crap that doesn't fit at all, and people loved that. I'm pretty sure they'd love MGS2 if it were in anime form.
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
It just means I have awesome taste in anime.
Probably means that the anime you like has almost no action at all.
My favorite anime is mostly nothing but action. But! It has a great story!
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himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
Even if it were anime it'd be pretty uhh wtf.
No not really.
MGS1 had a pretty good story, it wasn't very anime'ish to me aside from Psycho Mantis. MGS2 is when this whole anime thing started, with gay vampires and the like. MGS3 mostly upped that to ten fold with dudes that can attack with bees.
You're telling me it'd be adored even if it were an anime? Well, I guess you're right. Full Metal Panic has an absolutely awful story full of robots and crap that doesn't fit at all, and people loved that. I'm pretty sure they'd love MGS2 if it were in anime form.
Gray Fox, Psycho Mantis, Sniper wolf, "Can love bloom in the battlefield", Metal Gear Rex, Fox Die, Liquid Snake (MASters?!), etc etc etc.
The kind of acting, dialog, characters, it's all shit that i would eat up in an anime, because it's just easy for anime to get away with cheesy and over the top shit.
himu likes anime, but thinks mgs stories suck
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Well then that's just stupid.
It just means I have awesome taste in anime.
Probably means that the anime you like has almost no action at all.
My favorite anime is mostly nothing but action. But! It has a great story!
Aside from Berserk and Cowboy bebop, i see nothing.
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Really. Well, I haven't played that game in years. Or MGS2 for that matter. I recently replayed MGS3 and was lol'ing most of the game because I *like* the over the top cheesy shit.
But it's still not a good story to me.
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90 minute cutscenes? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
How can people "play" this stupid shit and take it seriously?
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Really. Well, I haven't played that game in years. Or MGS2 for that matter. I recently replayed MGS3 and was lol'ing most of the game because I *like* the over the top cheesy shit.
But it's still not a good story to me.
Nobody expects MGS story to have universal appeal.
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I think 8 is a very good score, especially from Edge.
See, this right here. I'm not buying it these days. Edge doesn't seem any more discriminating, consistent or shy of lavishing select titles with often undue levels of praise than any of the "less respected" review crews out there. I'm not sure why this image" is still relatively untarnished, but it's pretty obviously a bunch of crap.
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90 minute cutscenes? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
How can people "play" this stupid shit and take it seriously?
Because it has excellent gameplay to complement the excellent story and well-directed cut-scenes. There may be more cut-scenes in MGS4 compared to previous games but the gameplay sections are longer too according to reviews.
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I just can't believe people are looking forward to watching 90 minute cut scenes in any game, let alone a fucking MGS one. Jesus Christ, just how stupid do you have to be to enjoy MGS's storyline? It's embarrassingly dumb. But I guess if you're too busy beating off to anime in your parent's basement all day long you probably wouldn't notice.
but i don't watch anime and i love mgs
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mgs always reminded me of b-movies more than anime
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mgs always reminded me of b-movies more than anime
Same here.
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Since EDGE is here to review games, i don't see how watching movies is supposed to be a good use of the medium.
Games aren't a medium; they're a particular use of a medium, which is computer software.
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Since EDGE is here to review games, i don't see how watching movies is supposed to be a good use of the medium.
Games aren't a medium; they're a particular use of a medium, which is computer software.
Games are a medium. That's like saying Cinema and T.V aren't mediums, Video is. Lol
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Xeno Gear Solid 4: Lulz of the Patriots
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That's like saying Cinema and T.V aren't mediums, Video is.
which is also true.
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Didn't Kojima say before that he doesn't think that videogames can be art? If true, then him putting multiple 90 minute cutscenes in a game shows that he knows his audience is that idiotic. Fuck him.
Managed to make a game worse than wii fit.
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Nintenho owned, probably can't wait for the next Splintercell...oh wait
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LOL @ the people trying to tear a great game down. Lengthy cut scenes are now an abomination. :lol
Only an xfag can call someone a sfag amirite? And vice versa? Trying to express your own e-bravado on some internet forum? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Play the games or don't. Who the fuck cares what some random internet dude thinks anyways. You are not hardcore gamers, just a bunch of internet babiez " whaaaaaaa!!!!!! I don't have the console to experience the game so I'm going to shit on its every aspect I don't personally like because I don't have anything better to do anyway!!!"
Go on and spend another shitload of worthless time showing your distaste of a video game. The world will be so much better for it. ::) SMH
Some of you spend way too much time bitching about games than actually playing games. ::)
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Some of you spend way too much time bitching about games than actually playing games. ::)
Well, yeah.
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FOr me, MGS4 and GRID paid off. Even got a free t-shirt for my pre-order of GRID... for the PS3... a PS3 owner buys games?!?OMG OMG OMG an sfag!!!! :omg :omg :omg :omg :omg :omg
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LOL @ the people trying to tear a great game down. Lengthy cut scenes are now an abomination. :lol
Only an xfag can call someone a sfag amirite? And vice versa? Trying to express your own e-bravado on some internet forum? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Play the games or don't. Who the fuck cares what some random internet dude thinks anyways. You are not hardcore gamers, just a bunch of internet babiez " whaaaaaaa!!!!!! I don't have the console to experience the game so I'm going to shit on its every aspect I don't personally like because I don't have anything better to do anyway!!!"
Go on and spend another shitload of worthless time showing your distaste of a video game. The world will be so much better for it. ::) SMH
Some of you spend way too much time bitching about games than actually playing games. ::)
Uh, many of us have PS3s actually. I do, and I don't like MGS.
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I really wish I could find the picture I took of my old dog resting his massively oversized Rottweiler balls on the Gamecube. Now those were some ripe trolling times. This generation, pffft. Every party involved has really "fucked up" on some fundamental level, so it's just too easy to be fun. But at least there is still MGS4 and such to shit on. And some good games, even. To
shit on discuss.
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long cut scenes are fine (except insofar as were they better written and directed they'd probably wind up shorter as a side effect); long cut scenes composed of ham-fisted plodding exposition are not so fine.
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Zerohero, I understand where you're coming from but I really do dislike this franchise and that has nothing to do with sony.
I mean, it's rare that a 3 hour movie keeps you interested until the end but those cutscenes are only going to be a small part of the story for this game. The thing that kojima doesn't understand is that you can only take so much ritalin before your writing doesn't cut it anymore for a videogame.
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I really wish I could find the picture I took of my old dog resting his massively oversized Rottweiler balls on the Gamecube. Now those were some ripe trolling times. This generation, pffft. Every party involved has really "fucked up" on some fundamental level, so it's just too easy to be fun. But at least there is still MGS4 and such to shit on. And some good games, even. To shit on discuss.
:lol
I want that pic
I just wish people on this site would rip on XBox games like Mass Effect, GTA4, Too Human, and anything Rare :(
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what do cutscenes have to do with entertainment vs. art? movies can't be entertainment now?
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Zerohero, I understand where you're coming from but I really do dislike this franchise and that has nothing to do with sony.
I mean, it's rare that a 3 hour movie keeps you interested until the end but those cutscenes are only going to be a small part of the story for this game. The thing that kojima doesn't understand is that you can only take so much ritalin before your writing doesn't cut it anymore for a videogame.
The problem here is of course that you assume that there is something Kojima needs to understand... when in reality, this convolution and dragged out pacing is much loved by many fans. I don't like it, apparently you don't like it either, but I really don't think there's much sense in saying that there's something here that Kojima doesn't get. I think he gets it perfectly, it's just not something that is very attractive to some of us. My apologies for the hippie response here, but your comment edges way and again too close to typical game critic territory.
I just wish people on this site would rip on XBox games like Mass Effect, GTA4, Too Human, and anything Rare :(
I'm only one person, damn it!
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My comment was not for the people who dont' care about MGS. I have not played them all myself but enough to want to add MGS4 to my library and experience the finale. I just can't take the people who make it a point to drag down a game they had no interest in anyways. It is so counter productive.
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Well I've made my fair share of disses on the game even though there was only a 15% chance of me buying it.
I'm just saying that you can't assume that everyone trashing it doesn't have a PS3. There are a lot more PS3 owners here than you would think by the shitting-upon it gets.
I might even say that owning both makes it even easier to troll than just owning 360.
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My comment was not for the people who dont' care about MGS. I have not played them all myself but enough to want to add MGS4 to my library and experience the finale. I just can't take the people who make it a point to drag down a game they had no interest in anyways. It is so counter productive.
I agree, and as someone who is entirely unbiased and certainly quite polite in his rare criticism of games and their developers, it becomes hard to stomach this attitude.
Seriously though, I think it hits a point where it becomes downright destructive; when people seem honestly happy when a game fails to be good, or when they wish for something to suck because it's a "weapon" for the opposing camp, that seems a bit weird.
But then we're talking all serious like about, well, people talking about video games. We're pretty damned lame right now, and I'm going to go smoke some weed and listen to Cro-Magnon.
I might even say that owning both makes it even easier to troll than just owning 360.
This is certainly true. Nothing like shitting on a game, and know what you're talking about. Catches them little buggers off-guard.
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The problem here is of course that you assume that there is something Kojima needs to understand... when in reality, this convolution and dragged out pacing is much loved by many fans. I don't like it, apparently you don't like it either, but I really don't think there's much sense in saying that there's something here that Kojima doesn't get. I think he gets it perfectly, it's just not something that is very attractive to some of us.
well, from interview:
RP: Yeah, that was the plan at the very beginning. Mr. Kojima understands that fans -- well, not fans, since fans probably enjoy the long cinematics -- but people criticized the game for having long cinematics. The original plan for MGS4 was to shorten those, but as the story got bigger and bigger, and as we had to fill in more and more information -- because this really is the last story of Solid Snake -- the cutscenes are pretty much what you expect from a Metal Gear game now.
sounds like they already do agree in the abstract that it would be good to reduce the volume of cutscenes, they just weren't actually able to do it and still squeeze in all the story and info they wanted to include.
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LOL @ the people trying to tear a great game down. Lengthy cut scenes are now an abomination. :lol
90 FUCKING MINUTES. TWICE. MGS STORY. This is more detrimental to gaming than Wii Fit could ever be.
Play the games or don't. Who the fuck cares what some random internet dude thinks anyways. You are not hardcore gamers, just a bunch of internet babiez " whaaaaaaa!!!!!! I don't have the console to experience the game so I'm going to shit on its every aspect I don't personally like because I don't have anything better to do anyway!!!"
This ain't GAF. Most people around here DO infact own a 360 AND a PS3. If we want to play it, we can. I don't give a shit about what system MGS is on, my hatred is founded on indisputable fact: MGS is distinguished mentally-challenged. It's been proven time and time again in test laboratories all over the country. Shit like this will rot your brain.
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on the other hand, crazy ambitious story like MGS >>>>> uninteresting story like the Lord of the Rings movies. ROTK got Oscars so I guess that does make MGS Oscar-worthy.
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Yep, I'd rather have a grounded game, like WiiFit or Idol Master
:bow games that aren't over the top
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the LOTR movies are an amazing exercise in taking out everything that made the source material interesting and anally adhering to everything in the source material that doesn't matter. truly a remarkable achievement :bow
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I've really never seen such a large concentration of people who hate MGS.
Like I said somewhere, it's a shame. Too bad you don't appreciate a true masterpiece of gaming.
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They're just jealous
With a game like Halo or Forza its like "Hmmm, what an interesting game"
but with the MGS series its like "HOLY FUCK VAMP FUCKS DUDES"
:monoclepop
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I've really never seen such a large concentration of people who hate MGS.
Like I said somewhere, it's a shame. Too bad you don't appreciate a true masterpiece of gaming.
Don't take them seriously. EB tends to generate anti hype for overhyped franchises. We like playing the devil's advocate.
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That's ridonkolous.
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I really wish I could find the picture I took of my old dog resting his massively oversized Rottweiler balls on the Gamecube. Now those were some ripe trolling times. This generation, pffft. Every party involved has really "fucked up" on some fundamental level, so it's just too easy to be fun. But at least there is still MGS4 and such to shit on. And some good games, even. To shit on discuss.
:lol
I want that pic
I just wish people on this site would rip on XBox games like Mass Effect, GTA4, Too Human, and anything Rare :(
Weve shat on GTA and Too human plenty
Mass Effect on the other hand is actually a good game.
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Yeah, what the hell - we've got no less than four or five threads devoting towards hating on Grand Theft Auto 4. Too Human got ripped to shreds after the co-op announcement, by TVC15 and myself, no less. Someone clearly has the blinders on.
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This is the Evilbore way, nearly every game gets digged at :bow Roll with the punches everyone, this is no "a mod needs to come in and regulate people" board. Unless you post pictures of naked dudez
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Was the directed at me? I never claimed MGS was the only thing being shitted on.
It's just the only one that I care about.
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Im glad I dont like MGS. I'll play something good instead.
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on the other hand, crazy ambitious story like MGS >>>>> uninteresting story like the Lord of the Rings movies. ROTK got Oscars so I guess that does make MGS Oscar-worthy.
the LOTR movies are an amazing exercise in taking out everything that made the source material interesting and anally adhering to everything in the source material that doesn't matter. truly a remarkable achievement :bow
So you're one of those distinguished fellows who wanted Tom Bombadil in the movie. Now I also get why you'd trash all over LOTR with MGS.
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on the other hand, crazy ambitious story like MGS >>>>> uninteresting story like the Lord of the Rings movies. ROTK got Oscars so I guess that does make MGS Oscar-worthy.
WHAT THE FUCK
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on the other hand, crazy ambitious story like MGS >>>>> uninteresting story like the Lord of the Rings movies. ROTK got Oscars so I guess that does make MGS Oscar-worthy.
WHAT THE FUCK
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Im glad I dont like MGS. I'll play something good instead.
you wouldn't be playing MGS anyway, you'd be spending 15 hours waiting for the cutscenes to end.
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Well, LOTR is tripe. But then so is MGS. So basically, MGS is LOTR.
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Im glad I dont like MGS. I'll play something good instead.
you wouldn't be playing MGS anyway, you'd be spending 15 hours waiting for the cutscenes to end.
the lolz
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Comparing MGS to LOTR...
Are some of you distinguished mentally-challenged or something?
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Tripe is tripe
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Tripe is tripe
Tripe to who?
I don't know anybody that considers LOTR tripe. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean shit, heck, it probably just means your taste is not one to be trusted by others.
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I think that we can all agree that MGS=LOTR movies in that just watching them is boring and mind-numbing, but laughing at the fans who think it's deep and epic is HE-larious. It's something that you pay to make fun of.
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What concerns me more is how they state the rest of the game fails to live up to the first part, much like RE:4.
what part of RE4 was anything less than fucking awesome?
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RE:4 got better towards the end, what with the bigger and better weapons and the upgrading and the Red 9 and the bosses and even the graphics.
dcharlie, anything with 6 endings is tripe.
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What concerns me more is how they state the rest of the game fails to live up to the first part, much like RE:4.
what part of RE4 was anything less than fucking awesome?
I'm wondering the same thing.
Wait, some people hated the escort sections...
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and LOTR is "tripe" ?
Well, it is. It's not my fault that people are such apparent fantasy dorks and lovers of tripe.
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I wonder how the Metal Gear Solid series would have turned out if it had been written in the early 1950s.
It'd probably have a lot more of the old 'hero breaking into song' tripe.
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:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow GRID :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
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jesus christ.
this shit is getting bad and some of these threads read more like gaf threads everyday.
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It's true.
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jesus christ.
this shit is getting bad and some of these threads read more like gaf threads everyday.
We've had an influx of new members recently. It's not surprising that things have drastically changed in the gaming forum since then.
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It's not surprising that as more GAF members join up at EB, the board becomes more like GAF.
GAF is, after all, just EB except with a smattering of decent posters who somehow haven't been banned or invited, and a whole lot of morons/virals/moron virals.
Well... one is gay and the other is backwards.
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What did Edge give this year's ultra-overhyped title, GTA4?
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10 :(
If anyone wants text from the review let me know, I've got the issue on my desk
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Who the fuck cares what some random internet dude thinks anyways.
Judging by your post, it would seem you care a damn lot!
And... I don't own the 360 but do have a PS3 and so far I'd have to say if it weren't for the 360's god-awful reliability I'd probably own one now.
That doesn't prevent me from calling it the way I see it though, and for MGS4, a PS3-exclusive game to render at less than 720p when Sony was jumping up and down like an alpha-male silverback gorilla extolling the virtues of 1080p gaming, well, is frankly inexcusable.
At least Sony / PS3 fanboys had the "lead console" bs excuse before; what is their excuse now?
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10 :(
If anyone wants text from the review let me know, I've got the issue on my desk
Perhaps the trend following over-over-over-over-over-hyping one big game is to downplay the next? Or perhaps they just took off two points for the ridiculously-long cut scenes? :P
Add me for the "LOLz" at whoever said Metal Gear Solid has a better storyline than the Lord Of The Rings movies. I don't know how he was able to type that with a straight face.
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GTA4 sucks
MGS4 sucks
fair enough
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It's obvious how partisan Edge is. The founder of R* is a brit who just became a US citizen to "vote against Hillary". I'm sure that and getting an early free copy convinced them to give it a 10.
We need to ban EBoers that joined after 01.01.2008
I don't think that's needed. Just put them in a "gaffer" group for a week to a month if they're really bad and put on them the same restrictions as a leper. They'll learn quickly not to be a douche.
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not sure banning solves much of anything
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THE ICONS WILL SAVE US
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with extreme...scoffing!
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In other news, Play Magazine has scoreless reviews this month.
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"Vad jag tycker skiter som vanligt Kojima fullständigt i. Han har gjort ett nytt spel utifrån sin egen ambition och vision. Det får jag ännu en gång finna mig i."
"Utrustad med redan nämnda mustasch, en imponerande kamouflagedräkt och den vanliga ciggen i en rynkig mungipa ger sig gammelormen ut på nya äventyr. Det ska jagas ondska, denna gång i form av psykfallet Liquid. Det till synes enkla upplägget för berättelsen är naturligtvis uppbackat av ett virrvarr av referenser till tidigare spel. Dessutom utvecklas den snåriga storyn tills den i vanlig ordning blir fullständigt omöjlig för mig att till fullo förstå. Men om spelares engagemang för storyn varierar så kan vi i alla fall enas i hyllningen av spelets mer interaktiva bitar. När jag har en handkontroll i näven imponerar Guns of the Patriots på alla plan."
Sounds about right
On the upside...
"Variationen i uppdragen och de omväxlande miljöerna imponerar mer än i något tidigare Metal Gear-spel. Jag springer genom en marknad fylld med människor och varor. Men jag ser inte detaljerna i omgivningarna, jag hinner inte närmare betrakta kommersen och ta in stämningen. Marknaden blir aldrig mer än en plattform för en vansinnesjakt. Innan ögonen registrerat mer än det nödvändiga har jag och Snake avancerat vidare, mot nya mål. Mängden miljöer och det snabba tempot gör att jag blir otroligt sugen på nästa spelomgång. Aldrig har ett Metal Gear-spel haft ett så högt omspelningsvärde."
A decent buyer's guide, it'd seem. Settings, scenarios and gameplay systems are highly praised, but the humor, story complexity and cut-scenes (length and content) are criticized.
http://www.gamereactor.se/recensioner/13969/Metal+Gear+Solid+4%3A+Guns+of+the+Patriots/
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jesus christ.
this shit is getting bad and some of these threads read more like gaf threads everyday.
We've had an influx of new members recently. It's not surprising that things have drastically changed in the gaming forum since then.
Totally agree with you guys... leave the "game iz only 558p!" and "game gets a 6.8 in edge" shyt for NeoGAF, more talk about PLAYING games, less about sales/review scores, please.
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I don't see a problem with discussing reviews, as they frequently make for good pre-release guides and subsequently good fodder for debate. Focusing on review scores, on the other hand, nothing good ever comes out of that.
There's also righteous enjoyment to be had from tearing critics apart.
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fucking stupid, and unnecessary levels of bollox over and over to give the illusion of depth.
and the dialogues are fucking am dram tastic
"SOKOLOV? OH THE <ENTIRE BACK STORY HERE> ... ?"
"Yes that's the one snake"
none of which actually prevent it from being more interesting than LOR and most other fantasy/scifi/action movies.
So you're one of those distinguished fellows who wanted Tom Bombadil in the movie.
Not necessary, but were he included, it would have at least been a suggestion that the director had some kind of actual vision for the movie other than "file off all the rough edges that don't suggest any obvious dramatization that doesn't run the risk of being awkward, render everything else in thuddingly dull literal fashion, and call it a movie". But the omission of the Scouring pretty much invalidates the whole exercise.
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We need to ban EBoers that joined after 01.02.2008
Borys
Date Registered: 03-01-2008, 03:08:08
:wtf
edit lousy american dates
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We need to ban EBoers that joined after 01.02.2008
:(
I would get a lot more work done admittedly...