THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Darunia on June 08, 2008, 04:13:54 PM
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only a short vid, people who care about the story won't get spoiled (unless there are some in the comments which you better don't check)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjR6cUnjJss&feature=user
:lol
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Fucking awesome.
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How is that exactly trolling the hell out of the 360?
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What happened to the guy who does Snake's voice? Sounds terrible.
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it's implied, also I needed a good title
What happened to the guy who does Snake's voice? Sounds terrible.
agreed. seems like Hayter wants to add age to the voice or make him sound, I don't know, in pain because of the foxdie. It's painful to listen to though
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5 minute between each act ain't any better, dear otacon.
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it's implied
Could be he's making fun of the first MGS game which had a disc swap.
Bet you didn't think of that did you.
did you?
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Otacon sounds like a pre-pubescent teenager still
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it's implied
Could be he's making fun of the first MGS game which had a disc swap.
Bet you didn't think of that did you.
did you?
then they would've made that joke in MGS2 already
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Pretty funny.
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We're on Sony(R) PLAYSTATION(R) 3(TM) Blu-Ray(R) Disc(TM), Snake!(TM)
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it's implied
Could be he's making fun of the first MGS game which had a disc swap.
Bet you didn't think of that did you.
did you?
then they would've made that joke in MGS2 already
How do you know?
Are you genius effeminate game designer Hideo Kojima?
Clearly you are not.
Maybe it took him 10 years to think of the joke. Have you played MGS before? It's not very funny.
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I wonder how that joke will play out in the 360 version. :heart
Maybe it took him 10 years to think of the joke. Have you played MGS before? It's not very funny.
Kojima needed the power of the Cell to be able to make that joke true to his vision.
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360 hooks built-in. Awww yeah.
We're on Sony(R) PLAYSTATION(R) 3(TM) Blu-Ray(R) Disc(TM), Snake!(TM)
Here's your money Snake!
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Too bad MGS4 = blowsville usa, population losers
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He actually says, "we are on Ps3! Blu ray etc"
Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally. And talk about shameful promotion, yuck.
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He actually says, "we are on Ps3! Blu ray etc"
Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally. And talk about shameful promotion, yuck.
That's really no worse than being told to look at the back of the CD case for Meryl's codec number.
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lol at the comments to that video.
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He actually says, "we are on Ps3! Blu ray etc"
Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally. And talk about shameful promotion, yuck.
That's really no worse than being told to look at the back of the CD case for Meryl's codec number.
it's worse when your copy is pirated. :lol
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He actually says, "we are on Ps3!"
Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally.
Is that any different than Metal Gear, where Big Boss tells you to turn off the MSX?
Or the NES port, where Konami calls you and tells you to turn off the NES?
Or Metal Gear 2, where Campbell tells you to think like a game designer when going through rooms?
Or the part in Metal Gear 2 where the secret formula is hidden on THE LEGENDARY MSX COMPUTER DISK, and Kio Marv's name is hidden as, "01K VRAM" in the menu?
Or the part in MGS1 where Master Miller tells you to stop playing or you'll hurt your eyes, or to think like a game designer, or to go to the bathroom before a long cutscene?
Or Meryl's Codec number being on the back of the CD case?
Or Ocelot saying to not use auto-fire, or any of the other times where they tell you about buttons?
Or Mantis reading your memory card, or telling you to put your DualShock on the floor?
Or any of the crazy meta-shit in MGS2?
It's really not new ground for the series.
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If that isn't an annoucement of ironclad exclusivity for atleast a decade I don't know what is.
Xbox fans be sure not to ingest the monkeypiss as it is poured over your heads.
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He actually says, "we are on Ps3! Blu ray etc"
Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally. And talk about shameful promotion, yuck.
That's really no worse than being told to look at the back of the CD case for Meryl's codec number.
Yes it is. See that shit was clever, like changing the gamepad port part.
This is just..."System wars are in your game, ROFLMAO", it just makes me go "Ugh...". It's really says something when Sony needs a Fanboy to make a game that advertises the platform while you are playing it.
Like a PS3 ad in a game "Oh you don't remember? Let me remind you of why your Ps3 is so awesome!"....lame as shit.
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Holy shit, Kojima is apparently a master troll. Look how butt hurt you are.
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it's implied
Could be he's making fun of the first MGS game which had a disc swap.
Bet you didn't think of that did you.
did you?
then they would've made that joke in MGS2 already
How do you know?
Are you genius effeminate game designer Hideo Kojima?
Clearly you are not.
Maybe it took him 10 years to think of the joke. Have you played MGS before? It's not very funny.
You clearly don't get Kojima's genius Draft. Postmodern cutscenes like this are completely lost on guys like you
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Holy shit, Kojima is apparently a master troll. Look how butt hurt you are.
Yeah, stupid me that i don't find it funny at all that a game feels the need to remind me why the Ps3 is the win in the system wars when i'm playing it.
It's just AWESOME. AND FUNNY
ALL IT NEEDED WAS OTACON SAYING "GO TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT HOW AWESOME IT IS SNAKE, ITS AWESOME".
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He actually says, "we are on Ps3!"
Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally.
Is that any different than Metal Gear, where Big Boss tells you to turn off the MSX?
Or the NES port, where Konami calls you and tells you to turn off the NES?
Or Metal Gear 2, where Campbell tells you to think like a game designer when going through rooms?
Or the part in Metal Gear 2 where the secret formula is hidden on THE LEGENDARY MSX COMPUTER DISK, and Kio Marv's name is hidden as, "01K VRAM" in the menu?
Or the part in MGS1 where Master Miller tells you to stop playing or you'll hurt your eyes, or to think like a game designer, or to go to the bathroom before a long cutscene?
Or Meryl's Codec number being on the back of the CD case?
Or Ocelot saying to not use auto-fire, or any of the other times where they tell you about buttons?
Or Mantis reading your memory card, or telling you to put your DualShock on the floor?
Or any of the crazy meta-shit in MGS2?
It's really not new ground for the series.
Your argument holds no weight, none of those examples reference the PS3 in any way.
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Holy fuuuuuuuck that is bad voice acting.
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Holy shit, Kojima is apparently a master troll. Look how butt hurt you are.
Yeah, stupid me that i don't find it funny at all that a game feels the need to remind me why the Ps3 is the win in the system wars when i'm playing it.
It's just AWESOME. AND FUNNY
ALL IT NEEDED WAS OTACON SAYING "GO TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT HOW AWESOME IT IS SNAKE, ITS AWESOME".
That'd been awesome if it actually was like that as it would've come across as rather self-deprecating.
Holy fuuuuuuuck that is bad voice acting.
So much about this game gives me the vibe everyone has long since been ready to move on from the series.
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otacon actually confirmed a 360 version.
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Holy shit, Kojima is apparently a master troll. Look how butt hurt you are.
Yeah, stupid me that i don't find it funny at all that a game feels the need to remind me why the Ps3 is the win in the system wars when i'm playing it.
It's just AWESOME. AND FUNNY
ALL IT NEEDED WAS OTACON SAYING "GO TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT HOW AWESOME IT IS SNAKE, ITS AWESOME".
That'd been awesome if it actually was like that as it would've come across as rather self-deprecating.
Yes in a very very sad way it would have been funny. I wouldn't say awesome....
They should just go ahead and make "You might be wondering what those 3 minutes of loading were for...well, you didn't have to swap disks motherfucker"
Oh shit, next time let me change a disk motherfucker, it takes me 30 seconds.
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otacon actually confirmed a 360 version.
"Alright Snake, time to install. Do you see the install screen?"
"Uh... no."
"Oh! That's right! We're on Xbox 360! It's a higher speed disc reader! No need to install."
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otacon actually confirmed a 360 version.
"Alright Snake, time to install. Do you see the install screen?"
"Uh... no."
"Oh! That's right! We're on Xbox 360! It's a higher speed disc reader! No need to install."
:lol
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Holy shit that's embarrassing (the horrible voice acting, the shameless Sony PR)
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hes talking about MGS1 on PS1 not Xbox. "implied" :lol
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Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally. And talk about shameful promotion, yuck.
I love how you go ahead and type the first reaction that comes to mind and post it without any context, no sense of humor and apparently no prior knowledge of the MGS games (or dumber yet, no knowledge of any extra codec conversations beyond what you "had" to listen to in between shootan dudez with an AK). and then you get repeatedly dinged by a few other folks in the thread. bra-fucking-vo.
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Ugh, that just puts me off the whole thing. Killing the immersion totally. And talk about shameful promotion, yuck.
I love how you go ahead and type the first reaction that comes to mind and post it without any context, no sense of humor and apparently no prior knowledge of the MGS games (or dumber yet, no knowledge of any extra codec conversations beyond what you "had" to listen to in between shootan dudez with an AK). and then you get repeatedly dinged by a few other folks in the thread. bra-fucking-vo.
Sense of Humor? This is only considered humor for some because it's kojima doing it. Don't fool yourself. Of course a certain group of people find it the joke of the century, what a surprise.
No prior knowledge of previous MGS games? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh man, if my friends read that shit....of all the things you could say...
What are those "extra Codec conversations"? Not that i actually looked for secret codec conversations, because well...only MGS1 had an entertaining codec experience, MGS2 pretty much ruined it and MGS3 >> >>. How did i get dinged again?
Because, aside from the distinguished mentally-challenged and awful "You need to stop playing" moment in MGs2, the rest of these "out of the game" experiences are all gameplay related.
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that's humor?
Yeah, anime humour. :piss2
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Kojima wins.
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that's humor?
Jarosh > Kojima :bow2
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that's humor?
No. There is nothing funny about the disc swapping situation the 360 is currently facing.
Nothing at all. Kojima simply reinforced that fact.
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
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otacon actually confirmed a 360 version.
"Alright Snake, time to install. Do you see the install screen?"
"Uh... no."
"Oh! That's right! We're on Xbox 360! It's a higher speed disc reader! No need to install."
actually, nm. Bad Scenester... calm down
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otacon actually confirmed a 360 version.
"Alright Snake, time to install. Do you see the install screen?"
"Uh... no."
"Oh! That's right! We're on Xbox 360! It's a higher speed disc reader! No need to install."
lol, wait for Duckman to read this post. I made the 360 has a higher disc reading speed thus no installs argument and he told me I was a 'bleeding know nothing'. Fucking cuntwipe
Oh yeah thats right, PS3 games require 20GB installs because the games are better etc. lololol the power of the motherfucking cell
Personally, switching discs is more annoying than waiting for an install that only happens once. But that's just me.
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
Most games, even the games with bad storytelling, as at least with most games it's easier to know what's happening and going on. A bukake of convoluted story does not equal good storytelling, it's the opposite. Needing a shitload of cutscenes to tell your game story and even then having difficulty to get your point across is not good storytelling. Bad voice acting doesn't help either.
Easily: Half-Life 2, Portal, Bioshock. They all present their story way better and in more interesting ways, easier to follow and makes more sense. Even Uncharted is better, relying on cutscenes but it's a simple story that's easy to follow (I didn't think it was special, but at least you can follow it and it makes sense).
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
Bioshock.
First game that came to mind. And let me just say. I don't like Bioshock NEARLY as much as i do Metal Gear Solid, the franchise that basically made me a gamer, i'm one of those Ps1 gen gamers. I wasn't into games till i played MGS1.
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hahahah MGS 'great storytelling'
I wont even pretend that most games are good at storytelling, but saying MGS is great is just LOLOLOLOLOLOL read a book
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
Most games, even the games with bad storytelling, as at least with most games it's easier to know what's happening and going on. A bukake of convoluted story does not equal good storytelling, it's the opposite. Needing a shitload of cutscenes to tell your game story and even then having difficulty to get your point across is not good storytelling. Bad voice acting doesn't help either.
Easily: Half-Life 2, Portal, Bioshock. They all present their story way better and in more interesting ways, easier to follow and makes more sense. Even Uncharted is better, simple story that's easy to follow (I didn't think it was special, but at least you can follow it and it makes sense).
I know what's going on. Sucks for you guys.
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I personally liked Adventure on the Atari 2600. There wasnt much of a narrative but the game was easy to follow and didnt confuse me with a cutscene
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
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Personally, switching discs is more annoying than waiting for an install that only happens once. But that's just me.
lol I keep thinking youre Crushed.
Anyhow yeah an install is easier and less annoying than disc swapping I imagine, but thats not my point here.
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
You can't possibly be serious. You want me to list one game out of god only knows that has a better story than MGS? The only difficult part in that is picking just one. But if I had to choose, I'd go with something like Dreamfall. Exponentially better written and acted with an interesting and complex storyline that didn't seem like a delusional hobo's liquor filled rant at the bus depot.
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MGS' storytelling is better than Borefall's.
The story in Dreamfall may be better than in MGS, but the actual presentation of the story (storytelling) in MGS is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR suprerior to other games.
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MGS' storytelling is better than Borefall's.
The story in Dreamfall may be better than in MGS, but the actual presentation of the story (storytelling) in MGS is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR suprerior to other games.
Enjoy your 90 minute cutscenes lol
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MGS' storytelling is better than Borefall's.
The story in Dreamfall may be better than in MGS, but the actual presentation of the story (storytelling) in MGS is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR suprerior to other games.
Enjoy your 90 minute cutscenes lol
Ask the fans if they care...
I'm not a big fan of MGS, but I always liked its storytelling. Great cinematography, maybe the best in the industry.
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MGS' storytelling is better than Borefall's.
The story in Dreamfall may be better than in MGS, but the actual presentation of the story (storytelling) in MGS is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR suprerior to other games.
Enjoy your 90 minute cutscenes lol
Okay.
WAIT THERE AREN'T ANY ROFL
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The cutscenes are at least 45 minutes in length. Most likely longer. Realistic expectations have put them at 45 minutes to 60 minutes.
That's still fucking ridiculous.
Fifteen minute cutscenes are ridiculous. And folks wonder why Metal Gear Solid doesn't sell. Uh, duh. Here's why.
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Since I won't be playing this for a while I just read the entire gaf spoiler thread and I was amused. If you played the 3 previous games and just want to know how it all gets wrapped up, don't doubt for a second and read/watch, it's insane. In itself it's totally mgs2 levels of absolute wackiness
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MGS' storytelling is better than Borefall's.
The story in Dreamfall may be better than in MGS, but the actual presentation of the story (storytelling) in MGS is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR suprerior to other games.
Enjoy your 90 minute cutscenes lol
Okay.
WAIT THERE AREN'T ANY ROFL
Sorry, 60 minute cutscenes. :P That's so much better.
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I like how Xenosaga (while it sucked) was mocked for this but MGS WELL IT HAS GOOD STORY.
Woah wait, its story is on par with Xenosaga's storytelling. Thats no good!
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I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.
Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.
Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.
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like MGS gameplay is any good.
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like MGS gameplay is any good.
Uh it is that's the major reason why people like the series.
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haha, oh god really? Im so sorry.
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haha, oh god really? Im so sorry.
yeah man i hate it when people havin fun fuck them shit i am cool
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whatever it takes to convince yourself its worth it
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whatever it takes to convince yourself its worth it
Yeah when I bought MGS1 for $10 at a bargain bin in 2002, I was just convincing myself, since I had such a huge emotional investment in a game I had only heard a friend talk about.
man how can peeps disagree with me if they dont find my things fun they must be stoooopid
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I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.
Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.
Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.
You're forgetting the frequent, boring, meaningless Codec snooze fests. Skippable or not, it's still terrible story telling.
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That's not funny. This, on the other hand, is. (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/08/the-naked-gun-intro-reborn-on-grand-theft-auto-iv) :-*
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I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.
Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.
Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.
You're forgetting the frequent, boring, meaningless Codec snooze fests. Skippable or not, it's still terrible story telling.
Codec calls are almost non-existent in MGS4. You can only call them, they never call you in a scripted sequence.
cry cry again
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Since I won't be playing this for a while I just read the entire gaf spoiler thread and I was amused. If you played the 3 previous games and just want to know how it all gets wrapped up, don't doubt for a second and read/watch, it's insane. In itself it's totally mgs2 levels of absolute wackiness
oh man. Cant wait until Thursday! This game is going to own so much
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I'm an MGS fan, but the gameplay was never it's strong suit. At least IMO. I was convinced that they would have fixed the awkward controls, as mentioned in various media sites, but after playing the MGO beta, the controls are as clunky as ever. :-\
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I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.
Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.
Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.
You're forgetting the frequent, boring, meaningless Codec snooze fests. Skippable or not, it's still terrible story telling.
Codec calls are almost non-existent in MGS4. You can only call them, they never call you in a scripted sequence.
cry cry again
I'm not crying. I'm laughing at the MGS cutscene apologists. Laughing like a lunatic.
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I'm not crying. I'm laughing at the MGS cutscene apologists. Laughing like a lunatic.
"Oh yeah, well you forgot these things which aren't in the game."
"They aren't in the game."
"THAT MEANS I WIN!"
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I'm not crying. I'm laughing at the MGS cutscene apologists. Laughing like a lunatic.
"Oh yeah, well you forgot these things which aren't in the game."
"They aren't in the game."
"THAT MEANS I WIN!"
So what if Codec isn't in the game? Still distinguished mentally-challenged cutscene lengths, of which the fans will never admit is dumb.
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MGS is just distinguished mentally-challenged fellow central, might as well give out free football helmets with the game
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Honestly, Bob, as a fan, I love the cutscenes. It's hard to explain if you have no interest in the franchise. I can understand your lack of interest and criticisms of some of the series' staples--cutscenes, wacky story and characters....
Diff'rent stokes.
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(to Bob) so? Its not a fact that long cutscenes are dumb, its your opinion. I for one really enjoy the long cutscenes in the MGS games, just because you dont doesnt mean youre right.
Dont like the cutscenes? Understandable and justified.
Saying that everyone that enjoys them is dumb? Stupid.
edit: Rmans post also echoes my sentiments exactly
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WHY DON'T MGS FANS HATE MGS?
This is getting distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Just big fucking football helmets
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I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.
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I mean come on, how dumb do ya gotta be to like MGS?
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haha
almost time to bail out.
p.s Im going to have this game before most of you lol
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I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.
I thought it was just me. Trolling MGS fans is the game people who dont like MGS get to play.
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I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.
Pull out that J/K Parachute, you just pull that string, just like you pull the strings on your puppets, you puppet-master.
"I told people their preferences were stupid and they got angry! Ha ha, they all dance to my tune."
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I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.
Pull out that J/K Parachute, you just pull that string, just like you pull the strings on your puppets, you puppet-master.
"I told people their preferences were stupid and they got angry! Ha ha, they all dance to my tune."
:'(
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I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.
Pull out that J/K Parachute, you just pull that string, just like you pull the strings on your puppets, you puppet-master.
"I told people their preferences were stupid and they got angry! Ha ha, they all dance to my tune."
haha! you care.
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thou hast yieldeth
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(http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/866/866358/hot-shots-golf-open-tee-2-20080414000703530_640w.jpg)
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(to Bob) so? Its not a fact that long cutscenes are dumb, its your opinion. I for one really enjoy the long cutscenes in the MGS games, just because you dont doesnt mean youre right.
Dont like the cutscenes? Understandable and justified.
Saying that everyone that enjoys them is dumb? Stupid.
edit: Rmans post also echoes my sentiments exactly
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what a disgusting xfag, i am ashamed of you.
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Having someone pick apart your arguments at every turn like some kind of brawny butcher slaughtering a helpless pig is not the way to troll.
You're troll attempts are the pig, crushed is the butcher, and MGS4 is the meat processing plant that controls you all.
This explains the fear and hate.
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(to Bob) so? Its not a fact that long cutscenes are dumb, its your opinion. I for one really enjoy the long cutscenes in the MGS games, just because you dont doesnt mean youre right.
Dont like the cutscenes? Understandable and justified.
Saying that everyone that enjoys them is dumb? Stupid.
edit: Rmans post also echoes my sentiments exactly
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what a disgusting xfag, i am ashamed of you.
lol wut?
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Just to show that I am fair, I will call total bullshit on Kojima for doing this:
(http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11505829&postcount=6946)
How about this, so I have act 5 cached. So I thought, ok I will start a new game.. Installs for 2 minutes.. I play act 1 for a few minutes, then i choose to play act 2, installs... go back to act 1.. installs.
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even if he was slagging off the 360 there it fails pretty hard considering in mgs4 you have to install each act every fucking time.
i want to know how the mgs apologists are spinning that shit.
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I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.
Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.
Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.
Leaked cutscenes? Link plz.
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that's humor?
You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling. They're oblivious to many things.
Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.
It's like The Matrix. All the metaphors become too baseless when you spend more than half of the movie/game time trying to explain how everything in the story works. Then everything fails. That is entirely because Kojima and the Wachowski brothers don't know how to write a story.
Personally, my problems with Kojima are that I think he's loves his culture so much that he's out of touch with reality. That he's too proud of this one story that he shat out because of the few gamers that liked it, that he thinks that anything he writes is a "story". I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.
I'm one of those insane few that thinks videogames can be art but I would never say that MGS has a good story. Honestly, Assassin's Creed, which felt disjointed in some parts and had a cliffhanger to tell you there'll be a sequel, had a better story.
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considering in mgs4 you have to install each act every fucking time...
Exsqueeze me?
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Every time you play an act in MGS4, there's a 2-minute installation.
After you beat each act, you can choose to play that act over. Pick Act 1, there's a two minute installation before you can play it. Pick Act 2 a few minutes later, and you have two minutes of installation. Pick Act 1 again, and you have to reinstall Act 1 again.
It only "installs" one Act at a time.
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it should only have to install them once
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it should only have to install them once
Then the 8 minute installation would be 18 minutes, and it would take up much more space in the HDD. :-\
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it should only have to install them once
Then the 8 minute installation would be 18 minutes, and it would take up much more space in the HDD. :-\
Either way should be an option.
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It only "installs" one Act at a time.
i'm sure many will find that a relief! basically it's a two minute load time every time you play an act.
off topic but in the hella lame category:
i cannot believe mgs4 has to install every single fucking time you want to play an act. finished the game and want to play act one again? install. goto act 2. install.
fucking lame
also we are getting shafted on the LE in NA. the soundtrack packaged with the LE is only 16 tracks out of the 47 that the official soundtrack has and they stuck a copy of the ugly ass SE inside the box instead of using a shinkawa cover.
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i don't think i want the LE anymore :-\
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The installs went from 5 minutes to 2-4 minutes to 2 minutes :lol
Efficiency of Kojipro-san.
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2 minutes is kinda a while lol
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i'm not sure how long the installs are. i'm going to give the game the benefit of the doubt for now and go with 2 mins based off of impressions. 5 would be fucking overkill.
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Why every time you play an act. Seriously? How is this ALLOWED. If this happened with any other game it'd be in front of a firing squad
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What the heck is up with PS3 software optimization? So, not one install, but multiple installs every time you play an act?! What a freakin' disaster. This gen is leaving a bad taste.
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Big fan of the MGS storylines... I love it when shit gets so ridiculously confusing and layered and devolves into utter nonsense. But that said, that's for me. MGS4 is gonna be awesome, especially if it gets as off the wall as MGS2 did.
:lol at Half Life 2 having a better story than any of the MGS games...
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I still can't believe people are seriously complaining about a two minute install every five hours. I mean, I have my laptop set up to force me to take a three-minute break every hour anyway, otherwise I start getting fucked up if I stare at the screen for too long.
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If I had to pick between the two id rather have a 30 minute install once. I just dont get why its all like LETS ALL TAKE IT EZ ITS MGS
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I still can't believe people are seriously complaining about a two minute install every five hours. I mean, I have my laptop set up to force me to take a three-minute break every hour anyway, otherwise I start getting fucked up if I stare at the screen for too long.
agreed. like people who have time to play a 20 hour game don't have 2 minutes to wait for an install every 5 hours. It's not like MGS has ever been a bite sized casual game. When it comes to teh fourum console warz, it's suddenly "bah! I'm a very important man. time is money. the bird who doesn't wait for an install gets the worm etc. etc."
I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.
whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.
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APOLOGISTS!
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APOLOGISTS!
mooltee-pahss.
hey, some apologies are legit. I won't deny this is strange from a technical standpoint.
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Im pretty sure if this was some other game people would flip. Suddenly saying a game is IDEAL for backwards stupid loading is bein an apologist
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Wait so Otacon jokes that you dont have to swap, but instead it installs each act? :lol
Jesus that's funny
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there is no legit apology that you can make for the installs.
a one time mandatory install is bad enough for a console game. but to force you to sit through an install every time you want to play a different act is a whole new level of shitty for this gen.
i'm sure for the many that will only play through the game once it won't be a big deal, but it would be annoying if it you did want to play it again and even more annoying if multiple people were playing the game on the same console.
i wonder if you can freely switch between acts once you complete the game?
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a one time mandatory install is bad enough for a console game. but to force you to sit through an install every time you want to play a different act is a whole new level of shitty for this gen.
Don't group them with this gen... they're like some sort of bastard child of gaming
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so how long is this game? I remember the other MGS games being around 15 hours or so.... I only have a PS3 for 3 days you see and I need to beat this thing. Will definitely play on easy mode
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I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.
whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.
yeah, usually. that gives another example on how bad Kojima's storytelling is. If it was meant to be ridiculous, then it'd be funny but he seriously thinks he writes good stories and no sane person would think that.
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I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.
whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.
yeah, usually. that gives another example on how bad Kojima's storytelling is. If it was meant to be ridiculous, then it'd be funny but he seriously thinks he writes good stories and no sane person would think that.
Have you ever seen his blog? Half of it is him praising himself, and the other half is him whining about how he's lonely.
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I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.
whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.
yeah, usually. that gives another example on how bad Kojima's storytelling is. If it was meant to be ridiculous, then it'd be funny but he seriously thinks he writes good stories and no sane person would think that.
Have you ever seen his blog? Half of it is him praising himself, and the other half is him whining about how he's lonely.
Sounds like Demi.
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Have you ever seen his blog? Half of it is him praising himself, and the other half is him whining about how he's lonely.
what a complete asshole.
Honestly, it just makes me want a 360 MGS to come out because you know he'll cry over it.
and demi is awesomer than you can imagine Raban.
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Sounds like Demi.
:lol Go jerk off to some fat chicks, you mook
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Sounds like Demi.
:lol Go jerk off to some fat chicks, you mook
8)
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Wow, Demi got owned in this thread!
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2 minute installs are ok. 20 minutes installs are FUCK BAD.
2 minute one-time installs are ok. This is effectively 2 minutes of "NOW LOADING" for each time you play a new act.
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2 minute installs are ok. 20 minutes installs are FUCK BAD.
2 minute one-time installs are ok. This is effectively 2 minutes of "NOW LOADING" for each time you play a new act.
And? PSOne games had also long-ass loading times.
I can deal with 2 minutes (but not 3 or 4!!!) loading times in games.
PSX games also had horrific 3D and we'd throw a fit if the same quality was presented nowadays on either the 360 or PS3.
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That's fine but I don't see why there wasn't an optional everything install for people that didn't want to deal with it period. We can just agree to disagree and move on with this as I've been pissed off over loadtimes since the PSX days. I remember being all excited for FF anthology and boy was I burned. :punch
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So, wait, it's only 2 minutes before each act? That's not bad at all.
I've played PC games with 2 minute load times throughout the entire game (back in the day). PGR3 had 30-60 second loadtimes for every race (including retries).
We can just agree to disagree and move on with this as I've been pissed off over loadtimes since the PSX days.
It won't have an impact on your experience, though. Just a handful of 2 minute loadtimes between each act is hardly a real issue. If the loading were cropping up constantly during play things would be different. Those FFA issues were a problem as they occured constantly throughout gameplay.
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no it sucks and if it were any other game it would be ripped to shreds. also keep in mind 2 mins is the least amount of time i've heard that it takes. others have said the install is 4 mins.
no wonder konami placed nda's on reviews.
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i actually don't mind it.
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People are really weird about load times. They complain about totally inconsequential stuff like this yet games like FF8 with a 12-second load for every battle get a pass.
whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.
games with cutscenes by "real" movie directors: Enter the Matrix, Lost Odyssey, MGS: The Twin Snakes
doesn't seem to help much.
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mgs cutscenes = awesome
mgs codec conversations = :zzz
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games with cutscenes by "real" movie directors: Enter the Matrix, Lost Odyssey, MGS: The Twin Snakes
all three of those have awesome cutscenes
recursivelyemo owned again
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no it sucks and if it were any other game it would be ripped to shreds. also keep in mind 2 mins is the least amount of time i've heard that it takes. others have said the install is 4 mins.
no wonder konami placed nda's on reviews.
Fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think it's pretty reasonable in that it only crops up a few times. When I first played Half-Life 2 every single load took between 60-120 seconds and each of these occured regularly (sometimes within minutes of each other). It was awful. PGR3, as noted above, has insane loadtimes before every race, before each replay, and when returning to the menus yet each race is generally fairly short. I don't want to wait 60 seconds for a 2 minute race. Waiting 2 minutes for 5 hours of play is nothing especially when the loading between each area within an act is extremely fast.
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games with cutscenes by "real" movie directors: Enter the Matrix, Lost Odyssey, MGS: The Twin Snakes
all three of those have awesome cutscenes
recursivelyemo owned again
TTS cutscenes (except for one or two of them) :bow2
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People are really weird about load times. They complain about totally inconsequential stuff like this yet games like FF8 with a 12-second load for every battle get a pass.
I actually stopped playing FF8 because of just that. :-*
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Yeah HL2's load times were extremely frustrating, yet they barely changed my perception of the game overall. Load times blow and I wish they didn't exist, but in the long run there are probably better things to complain about, like deliberately obfuscated, incomprehensible and self-indulgent storylines married to hand-cramping 32bit-era-holdover control schemes.
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I've played PC games with 2 minute load times throughout the entire game (back in the day). PGR3 had 30-60 second loadtimes for every race (including retries).
I used to play it pretty religiously and no load time ever got above 20 seconds. I remember that number specifically because I timed it very, very often but maybe the load times are significantly shorter if you're playing with a hard drive?
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They took the Youtube down, what exactly did it say?
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lol
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It sounds like he's trolling the hell out of PS1 to me.
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I've played PC games with 2 minute load times throughout the entire game (back in the day). PGR3 had 30-60 second loadtimes for every race (including retries).
I used to play it pretty religiously and no load time ever got above 20 seconds. I remember that number specifically because I timed it very, very often but maybe the load times are significantly shorter if you're playing with a hard drive?
You played PGR3 from an HDD? Of course it would be faster. I made a video of a full race (max number of cars on a long track) and it was longer than 60 seconds. The smaller events are shorter, of course. A retry requires a full reload, however, which is frustrating to the max.
My point is that the loading issues in MGS4 are nothing compared to something like that. PGR3 slams you with load times around every corner.
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PGR3 isn't great, but i'm confused as to how one example of bad loading (a full long race with max cars at that) some how reduces the impact of bad loading on another game.
I appreciate that we get to play longer and therefore it's less of a percentage, but an initial install followed by 2 minute~ waits for the game is still a pain IMO.
I dunno, mandatory installs coupled with installs between games have no place in console gaming.
I was only using it as an example.
There are multiple ways of handling loading and I believe the proper method was selected for MGS4. Games which constantly present loading screens to the players become more frustrating than games that only occasionally hit you with a more lengthy loading screen.
Hell, from what I can tell, there isn't really any loading when you recover from a game over. That's yet another advantage. UE3 games, for instance, seem to have just a single major load when starting up (no more than 20-30 seconds either), but you have to sit through that same 20-30 second load screen every single time you die. That's much more annoying as it constantly interferes with the game. Do you see what I'm saying?
I'm sure MGS4 is paced in such a way that each of the 5 or so major loading points will be used at a point in which you will not be bothered. Looking again at Half-Life 2, there is a point when using the boat where you must launch yourself over the side of a massive dam. Unfortunately, they decided that it would be wise to place a loading point somewhere in mid air which kind of kills the jump. In comparison, one of these lengthy MGS4 loading points is likely to occur following an important scene just prior to a completely different scenario. They won't leave you in the middle of something and then suddenly toss up "now loading".
There are plenty of games which suffer from near constant load times that completely interfere with the experience. A 2 or 3 minute load screen every few hours is nothing in comparison. Everyone seems to think MGS4 is getting a pass on this, but in reality, it seems to be the opposite (people are harping on it due to the fact that it is MGS4). Do you honestly feel that such a thing will interfere with your experience?
You do realize that what MGS4 is doing basically amounts to what we saw in many XBOX games, right? The data is larger so more time will be required for copying, but it's still very similar. The original Halo would copy data to the HDD prior to each misssion, for instance. What of those other games that would "install" themselves during startup? Doom 3, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, and plenty of others all have required installation procedures that last a couple of minutes (they install beneath an FMV that you can't skip). Again, the time required is less due to the lesser data requirements, but it's the same idea and it's a good one.
On a side note, does anyone know if it is simply a static loading screen or does the game attempt to entertain you during this with some sort of dialog or text?
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it's implied
Could be he's making fun of the first MGS game which had a disc swap.
Bet you didn't think of that did you.
did you?
Bumping this because I was exactly right :dur
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lol
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:piss "implied" :piss2
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I KNOWS WHUT THEY THINKIN!