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Title: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 08, 2008, 10:33:57 PM
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/mad_chump/eobannercopy.jpg)
banner by Scenester

Placing my pre-order tomorrow!
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: Vizzys on June 08, 2008, 10:46:42 PM
I was waiting for the official topic or whatever by scenester, but yes very excited

improvements in almost every aspect from what ive read, it should be near perfect

better stat trees
quicksave
one way warps
new classes, new story

fun fun
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 08, 2008, 10:47:52 PM
Any word on distribution? I know the first titles release had some issues. Im pre ordering so I SHOULD be ok.
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: Vizzys on June 08, 2008, 10:49:48 PM
its atlus, get it on release or be afraid Id assume, dunno
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 08, 2008, 10:51:34 PM
didnt the first one sell awesome? or at least unexpectedly good?
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: Vizzys on June 08, 2008, 10:53:20 PM
enough to warrant a sequel being translated

dont we have some atlus people in the know around here.. I think they lurk,could be wrong
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: Vizzys on June 08, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
btw maf atlus is hinting at a new game being translated and people think they might be hinting at yggdra union psp, might want to add that to your list. I think i vaguely remember you liked that? or was it drinky
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: demi on June 08, 2008, 10:56:43 PM
EO, my best late to the party ever :bow

Currently Level 29, about to fight Ceronerous
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 08, 2008, 10:58:53 PM
Yggdra was awesome, psp high res would be OMG
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: muckhole on June 08, 2008, 10:59:44 PM
I really have to track a copy of the first one down. I've been beating my head against the wall playing Shiren DS for the last month, so it's just about time for a change.
Title: Re: Fine fine, Etrian Odyssey 2 out this month!
Post by: Vizzys on June 08, 2008, 10:59:48 PM
the 6th stratum...if you choose to do it without a gamefaqs map...

BEWARE.  Talk about frustration.

oh man i couldnt imagine how pissed i would be if I had to map out that pitfall level

Yggdra was awesome, psp high res would be OMG

whatever it is it will be confirmed on the 9th
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 08, 2008, 11:07:31 PM
FUCK THE OPTIONAL SHIT, all you have to do is beat the main game and you can transfer whatever shit to the second :heart
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 08, 2008, 11:19:06 PM
haha beaten to the thread creation. I made a banner yesterday and everything! Thats cool I can post it in here when I get home (get ready for lulz, best/worst banner evar)

Got my preorder placed at Play-Asia!

Viz: yeah I think Debaser works for Atlus, he doesnt post too often though

P.S thanks MAF for getting me in the know early on for the original EO, I managed to pick it up from Play-asia while it was still cheap and available  :D
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 08, 2008, 11:19:34 PM
i think you transfer

your characters without items or stats
your guild name +some optional story stuff related to your guild being a "legend"
the town medal if you have it and the other item you get if you filled the beastiary/items list?
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 08, 2008, 11:22:30 PM
haha beaten to the thread creation. I made a banner yesterday and everything! Thats cool I can post it in here when I get home (get ready for lulz, best/worst banner evar)

Got my preorder placed at Play-Asia!

Viz: yeah I think Debaser works for Atlus, he doesnt post too often though

P.S thanks MAF for getting me in the know early on for the original EO, I managed to pick it up from Play-asia while it was still cheap and available  :D

Once you have your banner up ill append it to the original post
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 08, 2008, 11:24:07 PM
Im not sure If im going to bother with the transfer, Im keen for a new guild of all bear pets

gave up on EO1 on like B29F, I was progressing quite well but after 20 hours of grinding I couldnt really be bothered anymore, and just decided to wait for this.

haha thanks in regards to the banner. Its a real shithouse banner in the same vein as Junpei's Lost Odyssey one. Some wykd photoshop skillz in mine
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 08, 2008, 11:46:55 PM
WHATS THE TOWN CROWN

Shit I should just stop playing, what a shitty reward

Japanese devs cant reward for shit
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 09, 2008, 12:03:17 AM
Well that's not so bad. A little bonus, plus I keep my characters (minus stats and weapons) who can probably be used to finish the second game just fine as well.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 09, 2008, 03:24:24 AM
hey guys heres my banner

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/mad_chump/eobannercopy.jpg)
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 09, 2008, 03:28:17 AM
yeah it was pretty ambitious, my work really paid off I think.

Junpei gets most of the credit though, I got the idea from his Lost Odyssey banner:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2059/2261751102_60fe15dfe1_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 09, 2008, 03:34:25 AM
ITS A FUCKING BEAR
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 09, 2008, 03:36:42 AM
:rock this game is going to fucking own

edit: awwwwweeeesome its in the op

Im so pumped, June 12th right? Im going to have to wait another week or so becuase Im importing, but Ive got MGS4 to keep me busy also

:bow Videogames :bow2
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 09, 2008, 01:10:39 PM
Demi, yo. I hope this breaks before release like World Ends...

Is there Real Time Save? That's all I want.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 09, 2008, 01:21:19 PM
World Ends didnt break before release, it came out in Europe first, much to our advantage
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 09, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
:rock this game is going to fucking own

edit: awwwwweeeesome its in the op

Im so pumped, June 12th right? Im going to have to wait another week or so becuase Im importing, but Ive got MGS4 to keep me busy also

:bow Videogames :bow2

17th there was a rumor it was coming out on the 12th but that was a gamestop email typo
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Crushed on June 09, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
so should i get one of these games


they look pretty basic and bad, no guns and the graphics are sux, where's the 3d
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 09, 2008, 02:30:56 PM
theres a gun class in EO2

and they both have 3d

how do I shot web
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Crushed on June 09, 2008, 02:33:34 PM
theres a gun class in EO2

and they both have 3d

how do I shot web

i want bishie space marines and 3d adventurers and enemies

boring
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: muckhole on June 09, 2008, 03:03:15 PM
hey guys heres my banner

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/mad_chump/eobannercopy.jpg)

 :lol It's almost better than my Ninja Gaiden 2 banner.

Almost. You were one hobo away from perfection.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: tiesto on June 09, 2008, 03:53:03 PM
Fuck, reminds me I never did beat the first game. The first game seemed to take far too long to get going, I made it down to the 9th or so floor and then stopped, maybe I'll pick it up one day, but I felt as if I just wasn't making much progress.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 10, 2008, 02:49:00 AM
bump

just reminding everyone to preorder, this game is going to be fucking massive!

GOTY 2008? Could well be... although Devil May Cry 4 was awesome
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 12, 2008, 06:02:22 PM
bump
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 12, 2008, 08:17:49 PM
lol

might post the trailer or something for people that need more convincing:

[youtube=425,350]RROgs1YZYXI[/youtube]

Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Crushed on June 12, 2008, 08:21:36 PM
Fine, Jesus Christ, I'll get this stoopid fight and heal game.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 12, 2008, 08:22:52 PM
Ive got the EO soundtrack on my ipod  ;)

Its awesome how they got Yuzo Koshiro back to do the EO2 soundtrack. That man is a god.

If he teamed up with Sakaruba  :o
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 12, 2008, 08:35:03 PM
I can up some tracks if you like, but its easy enough to find via torrent.

The battle music sounds so fucking good through a good stereo/headphones
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 13, 2008, 01:04:11 AM
yeah bro

http://www.underground-gamer.com/

if you cant sign up I have some invites
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 13, 2008, 03:11:46 AM
If you dont like EO1, then EO2 will be a waste since its the same game (think expansion pack)

edit- Or vice versa... might as well go with EO2 and see if its for you
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 13, 2008, 03:13:44 AM
If you like EO2, then going to EO1 is like going from Diablo 2 to DIABLO ONE
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Beezy on June 13, 2008, 07:39:21 PM
I don't wanna get this because I haven't beaten the first one, but if I don't get it now, it will be impossible to find later on. :(
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 14, 2008, 02:34:30 PM
Im reading that this game is being sold early by gamestop, even calling those that preordered, today..

might be bs (doubt it) but it couldn't hurt to call or check your local store

Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 15, 2008, 06:38:20 PM
my copy isnt even going to be shipped until the 19th or so. See you guys back here on the 26th  :'(
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 15, 2008, 07:00:28 PM
It's ok Scenester, I am not touching it until I beat EO1
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 17, 2008, 03:09:09 PM
its out

play it
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Jabberwocky on June 17, 2008, 03:44:48 PM
It's a shame I didn't like EO enough to buy this... the artwork alone is tempting me to try it out (I think it's vastly improved over the first game).

But we don't buy games for artwork, or do we?  :-*
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 17, 2008, 03:58:18 PM
(http://xs128.xs.to/xs128/08252/herebedragons891.jpg)

:rofl

(http://xs128.xs.to/xs128/08252/america772.gif)
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 17, 2008, 03:59:31 PM
I hope mine is in after work :(
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Tucah on June 17, 2008, 04:01:36 PM
Picked up my copy earlier today, while I was out, and have been playing for a little under an hour. I never played the first EO, but heard amazing things about it so I was really looking forward to playing this. So far, it's a lot of fun. I enjoy the map making feature, and the art is fantastic. My party is this so far: Ronin/Landsknecht in the front, Medic/Gunner/Alchemist in the back. I'm a little overwhelmed with skills, not sure where to put all of my points, and I keep doubting my party choices, since I always like to just stick to one party through RPGs. Anyway, off to play some more.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 17, 2008, 04:32:35 PM
Protectors dont have Defender anymore :(

At least I didnt see it, maybe they renamed it
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 17, 2008, 04:59:07 PM
Protectors are awesome
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 17, 2008, 09:05:02 PM
ok thought id share my impressions so far

I created a party consisting of a protector, war mage, gunner, alchemist and medic

I reallllly like the gunner and the new alchemist. Alchemist no longer has poison but makes up for it with physical magic that hits all enemies AND IT HITS THEM HARD, this is balanced out by a really steep tp cost of said skills, but I'm definitely making a phys alchemist now.

As for the gunner its an interesting class, there are gun attacks that bind and those that do elemental damage, so they are kinda like a ranged dark hunter/alchemist mixed. keeping that one for sure

the war magus however, does about as much damage as a protector so its an ok fighter. My main problem is, most if not all the skills require the enemy to be already effected by a negative status to be effective. Blindslash requires hitting a blinded foe, etc etc. Id pair this with a hexer or something if you are interested.

But they have a really cool passive Regen skill that heals the whole party and a bunch of cure spells too. Might swap this out for something like beast when i unlock it.

protectors seem pretty much the same as before, defender is gone, and there is an anti-all that negates all elemental damage instead of just one. but the single antifire/volt/cold still exist too

medic is medic, their is a new kill-yourself-to-heal-the-party skill called phoenix, that should be interesting. otherwise mostly the same


As for the game itself, it seems like EO1 with improvements here and there. The L and R buttons no longer change the map level, and are used for strafing left and right, in battle L is used for an AUTO MODE, which is basically like rush in P3, physical attack again and again. Good for grinding weaklings.

There is a quicksave function, you save anywhere then turn off the ds until you want to resume. Handy for those on the go.

Hmm. Music is awesome as ever, new enemies, some familiar, no pallete swaps yet though. Game is a bit harder, the first FOE on floor 1 devastated my party in seconds. Just dont fuck with him till lvl 6+.

Speaking of FOE's they don't give exp anymore, just items. That and there are new types, some don't move and Ive heard of flying ones and invisible even (might be a BS rumor). There are skills to stop FOE movement momentarily, the gunner has one. Stuff like that.

New shop is good, you can actually see your equipped weapons and armor when you buy things now, and equip them when bought.
The new inn has a storing function, where you can put extra items I'm guessing, haven't used it yet, but im sure it will be handy.

Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 17, 2008, 09:12:56 PM
The first dungeon is kinda rough compared to the first dungeon of the original.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 17, 2008, 10:33:50 PM
lol forgot to assign skill points, just reloaded the game
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 17, 2008, 10:58:44 PM
i want to play this SO BAD, i must do a marathon
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 17, 2008, 11:02:45 PM
yeah my PSP is in the cupboard for the next few weeks
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 18, 2008, 11:43:20 AM
Just picked this up at the EB at the mall.  My birfday DS is in the mail and should be here either later today or tomorrow, so yay for that.  This is the first new game I've bought since... Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn I guess.  IT HAD BETTER ROCK MY BALLS OFF OR THERE WILL BE HECK TO PAY!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 18, 2008, 11:47:26 AM
i totally fagged out to it until almost 3 AM last night. first ds game i've put more than 30 minutes into since castlevania por!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 18, 2008, 12:21:01 PM
its teh awesome. I like how all classes except beast are unlocked right away! No shenannigans!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Beezy on June 18, 2008, 12:45:19 PM
medic is medic, their is a new kill-yourself-to-heal-the-party skill called phoenix, that should be interesting. otherwise mostly the same
That's pretty fuckin cool.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Tucah on June 18, 2008, 12:59:22 PM
So I pretty much suck at this game. The FOEs on floor two keep killing me while I'm trying to avoid them and just map everywhere =(.

Finally killed the F1 FOE though.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 18, 2008, 01:38:34 PM
hmm Im level 9 and I can kill the FOEs on floor 2, although if my party gets confused its pretty much game over

still cant beat that guy on floor 1, he just hits too hard.

anyway I think that bow quest sucks, apparently the bent twig is found on floor 3, which makes no sense considering you can make hildi, a better bow using floor 2 materials
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 18, 2008, 04:14:40 PM
yep every round in a random encounter is a move for a nearby FOE
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 18, 2008, 04:27:59 PM
haha I just used the FORCE skills for the first time

instead of boost like in EO1 you get these really powerful special skills when a bar fills instead (it takes forever), my alchemist used something called eschaton, which just did 1100 something damage :lol

came right at the perfect time too, I was fighting this ladybug looking thing on floor three when it called for help and this huge screen filling man-eating looking flower thing came

I was like oh shit :o

then bam-insta kill
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 18, 2008, 05:00:17 PM
Thats awesome. EO is awesome. May EO get sequels forever
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 18, 2008, 05:04:32 PM
it was

I tried grinding near an FOE to do it again but this time I got owned

it took a good chunk but not enough
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: muckhole on June 18, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
Managed to finally snag a copy today. Anything I should know before I fire it up for my first playthrough? I never got to play part one.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 18, 2008, 05:40:18 PM
Well it also seems a bit harder, both in difficulty and getting items to sell for cash.

Stalkers make a return on floor 3 of this game and that's also what almost killed me. I got away at the last second and warped out. They look cooler. Pretty much all the art looks better.

I just learned some FOE's cant be stopped using the previously mentioned haltshot skill. Grinding is made a bit easier using the auto battle function. Its a good balanced difficulty

Much better than the first already.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 18, 2008, 05:44:45 PM
thats up to you, I really liked the last bits of EO1, the story although minimal really shines there.
There doesnt seem to be many connections between the two games yet story wise, but im sure they will be revealed with time

skip the optional stuff though, its pretty relentless
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Crushed on June 19, 2008, 12:41:02 PM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
Quote
only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

Sounds shitty. :piss2
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 19, 2008, 12:44:21 PM
I did a run in EO1 last night, got some nice grinding done thanks to those two chicks healing... I am level 31, I am gonna do a run and try to take on Cernerous
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 19, 2008, 01:39:23 PM
ok I got to the second stratum last night

the boss was a bitch and a half though, beat at level 17

anyway the beast class is pretty awesome, switched out my war mage for it. No regrets so far.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 19, 2008, 03:23:45 PM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
Quote
only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

Sounds shitty. :piss2

fuck you, thats becuase most gamers as pansy ass feggits apparently
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2008, 05:48:21 PM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
Quote
only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

Sounds shitty. :piss2

fuck you, thats becuase most gamers as pansy ass feggits apparently

Pansy ass feggits that like to sit and watch cutscenes in lieu of PLAYING GAMES.  feggits piss me off!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 19, 2008, 06:35:29 PM
feggits that like playing Gears online but cant handle getting raped by FOEs

:piss feggits :piss2
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 19, 2008, 06:38:19 PM
WHEN CAN I GET MY BEAR
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 19, 2008, 06:52:45 PM
after you beat the first stratum boss you can
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 19, 2008, 07:01:17 PM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/882/882691p1.html
Quote
only the hardest of hardcore RPG fans will get enjoyment out of it. As we originally said with the first game, if we gave this title to ten players, maybe one or two would get into it

The same thing could be said about MGS4, yet they gave it a 10.
:piss IGN :piss2
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 19, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
I fucking hate IGN
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Tucah on June 19, 2008, 08:47:19 PM
Progressing slowly, but really enjoying the game. Finally beat the FOEs on floor 2  :D
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 20, 2008, 04:43:02 PM
Jsus christ, this game isn't kidding. I got WIPED about 20 seconds in. I love it.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 20, 2008, 05:29:19 PM
That dedicated logging party is really making me rich Demi. Thanks a million.

Edit: FOE's  respawn  :'(

I wouldnt really rely on it too much, you get mass cheese deeper in the forest. There are some FOEs on Floor 10 I fought (Armoth) and they sometimes drop Great Tusks, which give you 1400, and I farmed about 5 of them my last run  :D

Just make sure you have Immunize 10 for your Medic, and the game should be more cake for you.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: archie4208 on June 20, 2008, 08:12:29 PM
EO2 is so much harder than the first one.  I'm constantly broke and don't even have enough money to stay at inns.  :'(
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: TVC15 on June 20, 2008, 08:37:28 PM
Edit: FOE's  respawn  :'(

They do?  I've been wiping them out one by one on the second floor with no respawning so far.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 20, 2008, 08:45:18 PM
MY COPY FINALLY SHIPPED
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 20, 2008, 09:07:25 PM
Edit: FOE's  respawn  :'(

They do?  I've been wiping them out one by one on the second floor with no respawning so far.

in the last game it took ingame 14 days for some to respawn

also i learned boss FOE's give EXP, I just killed chimera a third time

the second stratum is much harder. haha
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 20, 2008, 09:12:06 PM
from what I read EO2 sounds more banging than the first. Cant wait!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 20, 2008, 10:55:14 PM
from what I read EO2 sounds more banging than the first. Cant wait!

The core gameplay is exactly the same, but the it looks better and the little details really add up. Expansion pack is exactly right, but it also just feels "fuller". Post in my Builds thread, I need advice!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 22, 2008, 02:17:46 AM
I just hit Azure Rainforest... am I required to step on all the pitfalls for mapping these floors?
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 22, 2008, 02:40:31 AM
yeah... some areas you can only access via the pitfalls iirc
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 22, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
I would just like to warn you guys

you are not supposed to kill that fire breathing lizard on the 8th floor. You are supposed to lure him away and go around him to find a fire plume on one of the ! squares (the leftmost one).

Then warp wire out. or if you dont have one there is a secret passage below the second ! square
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: demi on June 22, 2008, 02:24:16 PM
whats with these quests i'm getting that require me to be later in the game? smh

"Find Edan's treasure! It only requires you kill a fucking Golem that's really fucking strong!"

"Find me this silver! It only requires you dig in the lowest depths of the dungeon!"

(EO1, btw)
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 22, 2008, 02:48:09 PM
Golem was hard as fuck, wait till near end game if you want and hes much easier.

he has a rare drop if you use OHKO (ronin insta-kill attack) which gives you a good item for ronin
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 23, 2008, 09:35:06 PM
How am I supposed to get another Lure Bell?
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Post by: Narag on June 24, 2008, 03:31:39 AM
Mine arrived today as well. :hyper

I'm a big wuss and just recreated my EO party as I'm familiar with stuff that way and spent like 90 minutes grinding on the first floor. :hyper

Going to lose a lot of time to this game!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2008, 12:46:29 PM
So, my shiny new blue & black DS showed up this morning.  I've been waiting on this for a while- I actually went ahead and bought EO2 last week in preparation.  I went ahead and plugged it in, and fired up the game.

Early impressions:  OMG FUCK AWESOME.  Fun to explore and mapmaking is pretty kewl.  Combat is awesome, got to make sure my party of scrubs (I created one of each class but went with a Ronin, LandsKnecht, Gunner, War Magus and Alchemist initially) stays alive tho.  I was doing pretty well on the training mission, but after I thought I had the area mapped out I went back to the guard and tried to go back to town.  I only had about three medicas left and my war magus was low on TP so I wasn't gonna be doing much more curing.  After stumbling around the dungeon a bit more and things getting dire (out of medica and TP) I realized something was missing on my map... my stupid ass had forgotten to draw in the walls.  :lol  Yup, I'm a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Oh well, got out alive and sold off my loot, now it's time to go back in and explore some more. 
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 24, 2008, 03:27:07 PM
How am I supposed to get another Lure Bell?

you have to sell a certain item to get them

im pretty sure its something from the first stratum you chop or take
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 24, 2008, 03:50:28 PM
How am I supposed to get another Lure Bell?

you have to sell a certain item to get them

im pretty sure its something from the first stratum you chop or take

That's what the town guy told me, but I can't find shit to chop on 1F. I have a gathering party
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 24, 2008, 04:01:49 PM
dunno, well:

what I did to my team of gatherers was

get them all to lvl 10, which takes about an hour or so, then I maxed out mine, take and chop with the back few some two maxxed at a time

and put 10 points into stalker on one front guy giving me pretty much 0 encounters in either stratum

and then I put the last guys points into ambush, so even if i did get jumped I could double attack or run .

just gotta watch out for those ambushes at a gathering point really and avoid FOE's and its all easy money
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 24, 2008, 04:18:48 PM
be careful with gathering parties.  :rofl

My team gets RAPED by anything. I just run a lot and use the 1F points. I can make about 150+ a run
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2008, 11:28:51 AM
At what levels did you guys start killing the Furyhorns/Ragelopes on Floor 2?  I killed the dinosaur on the first floor but now I don't want to pussyfoot around the guys on the 2nd floor anymore.  I'm about level 9 for my main party (Ronin/Landknecht/War Magus/Survivalist/Alchemist).  Sucks that you don't get xp from FOEs, tho.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2008, 12:14:26 PM
Ronins are the coolest.  Lots n lots of offense but shitty defense.  Actually, my team IS based on overwhelming force now that I think about it.  Although they're pretty much dictated by what bad ass weapons I was able to get early, which explains why my Survivalist is in the party (hildi) instead of my gunner.  Well, sounds like it's time to clear me some furyhorns then.

Also:  has anyone else abused the cost of saving at the inn?  I finally got tired of paying 40+ en just to sleep, so I created a bunch of level 1 scrubs named s1 through s5 for the sole purpose of staying at the inn.  I'm super cheap!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Mondain on June 25, 2008, 02:47:25 PM
I like EO because the stats system is incredibly deep and full of options, the exploration of dungeons gives you a great feeling of discovery and adventuring, and because all in all it's quite lighthearted and relaxing
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 25, 2008, 03:32:35 PM
I finally defeated hellion last night :bow

third stratum is pretty cool if you know what I mean
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2008, 04:30:43 PM
I decided to scarp my initial "Pinksock" guild and start over since I have a better idea of what's going on now (that and I found a password so I could get the Town Crown.  Yeah, I'm cheap).  I'm currently focusing on getting three survivalists into lumberjack mode so I can make the real fuck monies, in addition to leveling up what will probably be my main team of Ronin/Landsknecht/War Magus/Gunner/ and either a Hexer, Alchemist or another Gunner.  I'm thinking of doing two gunners, I can cover all three elements that way (Ronin is fire, Gunners are Volt and Ice).  Plus Gunners are just ace.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 25, 2008, 04:47:17 PM
How do you roll without a Medic?
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
How do you roll without a Medic?

War Magus, of course it's still early and I'm at the beginning of the game so I might need a medic in the future, dunno.  I made one medic and took him out to grind some more when the War Magus was out of TP to heal, then since the day hadn't ended I ended up making another medic when that one was spent just to throw away on some grinding.  I loves me some grinding!

FA- haha, yeah I loooves me some offense.  BAM BAM YOU DEAD SUCKA.  I'm moderately worried that I'm missing out on a bunch of status affect characters (hexer, dark hunter) that I'll need later in the game if I can't resolve a situation with brute force.  But for now, the ASSWHOOPING continues.  Plus gunners can use skills that bind, blind, poison etc so maybe I'll be ok, especially if I end up running with two gunner.  Hmmm.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2008, 06:08:42 PM
Also, I took my lumberjacks out with my Ronin and Dark Magus just now to sweep the first floor clean of precious plant fiber to sell, and when I went up to the top left resource point after taking like one flower this big mutant plant thing just showed up and killed off the Ronin and War Magus before I could run the fuck away.  So now there I am, far away from the exit with no warp wire (doh), both of my damage dealers dead, (one of which was my healer, too) and only one item harvested.  I've got a bunch of wimpy ass survivalists with nothing but daggers.  I decided to keep harvesting and try to get back to town, knowing my success would be contingent on being able to RUN THE FUCK AWAY from any potential fights since I had sunk ALL of the survivalists points into resource harvesting.  I just barely made it and was able to sell off all the shit and revive my two bad asses.  Now to switch out the lumberjacks for the rest of my A-Team and whip some more ass!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on June 25, 2008, 06:26:40 PM
just got to floor 12

its like Im playing chips challenge or some shit again

anyone remember that game, it was awesome
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2008, 07:22:39 PM
Raoul, after you max your gathering abilities with your survivalists, you'll probably want to focus (with both) on the skill that increases your preemptive chance.  Also, if you're making a lumber co. of weaklings, I'd put the 1 pt into escape for each.  I hate wasting points on stuff that's not super essential, but it should reduce some of the headaches.  Also, stalker I believe is much better in this than the original and can really really reduce the chance of an encounter. 

Early on tho, all you can really do is throw all your points in gathering and hope for the best.  I'm sure you'll remember warp wires from now on :lol

Well, the sad thing is that I was only on the first floor AND I had sent along my two best damage dealers (Ronin hitting for about 45 and War Magus hitting for about 50 with her super staff and the town crown).  But that mutant flower just raped the shit out of them like it was nothing!  On the first floor, too.  smh.

I did invest in a bad ass bow (Hindi) for one of my survivalists, tho, so now one of them can deal some damage.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 26, 2008, 02:22:40 AM
just got to floor 12

its like Im playing chips challenge or some shit again

anyone remember that game, it was awesome

my firend liked it so much he made a flash animation of 'chips challange 3d' lol

MY COPY JUST ARRIVED

as well as this:

(http://pingin.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/cj7poster.jpg)

fun night ahead, Polari is coming over and Ive got weed and beer :rock

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2008, 07:52:31 AM
Fucking Furyhorns.  I could beat them fairly easily IF THEY DIDN'T USE GODDAMN STEP ON ME.  So it's time to fuck around with a gunner build that can bind those assholes and let my peoples do their thing.

Most of the powergaming, basement dwelling gamefaqs crowd seems to be using a party build that consists of War Magus/Dark Hunter/Hexer/Gunner and either a Ronin or Landsknecht.  The interplay between the War Magus/Dark Hunter/Hexer trio is supposed to be fuck awesome, allowing you to house bosses/FOEs.  The good news for me is that it would be fairly easy to sub out say Dark Hunter for Landsknecht and Hexer for Alchemist to use that build if necessary but I'm gonna continue to try and do my thing with my build.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 27, 2008, 10:50:34 PM
omggggg

game is amazing, confirmed better than EO1. All the extra touches are the icing on the cake eg. more mapping tools, stats show when buying gear etc.  Its definitely harder than the first, still havent gotten off 1f lol. Havent had a chance to have good session yet, hopefully I'll make some progress today
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Post by: siamesedreamer on June 28, 2008, 10:10:50 PM
How's the save system in this game?
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Post by: The Sceneman on June 28, 2008, 10:59:22 PM
its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Narag on June 28, 2008, 11:06:53 PM
I've never used a bind on an enemy ever.  I always imagine those kind of skills always suck in RPGs on bosses...but if they actually work I might make a secondary party and give it a shot.

They're decent effects and can prevent high damage attacks from enemies. Dark Hunter has the bonus of that massive damage attack when the enemy is completely bound and her Force whatever binds stuff completely which can give one a turn or two to set up.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: siamesedreamer on June 28, 2008, 11:17:43 PM
its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Cool...thanks.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway as you can just close the system.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Narag on June 28, 2008, 11:31:13 PM
its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Cool...thanks.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway as you can just close the system.
What if you wanted to play something else!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2008, 11:40:49 PM
I've never used a bind on an enemy ever.  I always imagine those kind of skills always suck in RPGs on bosses...but if they actually work I might make a secondary party and give it a shot.

They're decent effects and can prevent high damage attacks from enemies. Dark Hunter has the bonus of that massive damage attack when the enemy is completely bound and her Force whatever binds stuff completely which can give one a turn or two to set up.

Yeah, DH are sickness incarnate later in the game.  Also, after looking askance at Troubadours as "fegs with lutes" for most of my playthrough, I noticed something interesting... when you're grinding, you want to maximize the xp you're getting and get as many encounters as possible.  The Fagadour does that for you!  The Divinity skill when maxed out gives your party 125% of the xp from battles, and the Danger skill increases the random encounter rate.  I wouldn't actually USE a Troubadour during my playthrough while exploring, but for grinding (especially in a four person party where you're trying to build one character up) the Troubadour is THE accessory to travel with. 

The game is actually pretty good at making you utilize lots of character classes- Troubadours for grinding, Survivalists for lumberjacking so you're not a filthy poor, Landsknechts for the early game and Dark Hunters/Hexers for the mid-late game.  I understand that they were pretty useful in the first game but I can't find a use for Protectors other than sucking and not dealing damage.  I want fights to be over as quick as possible, who gives a shit if Protectors can help prolong battles?  Fuck you buddy.

I'm toying with some beasts right now- Mange the Wolf, Colbert the Bear and Maurice the Stupid Panda.  There's just lots to DO in this game.  Totally my GOTY of 2008, even Fire Emblem DS which I plan on importing is gonna have a hard time unseating this.  But then again, there's always Viva Pinata portable, where I can finally realize my dreams of a forced communist utopia in which the unruly are bashed to death with a shovel and fed to their children.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 29, 2008, 04:44:45 AM
its better than the 1st, as you can suspend save while in the dungeon.

Cool...thanks.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway as you can just close the system.
yeah you can do that, but Ive got an old DS phat with limited battery life, cant leave it sleeping for too long I sohuld really upgrade to ds lite, but that costs $$$. i figure theres another redesign coming in the near future anyway  :P
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 30, 2008, 05:18:01 AM
okay advice time....

basically my party is getting completely shat on.

Im using front row Ronin, Landswhatever and War Magus

Back row Gunner and Medic

focusing all skill points on good offensive skills, I have a gathering team of survivalists so Im never short of cash and have the best equipment I can buy... but Im still making like, two steps worth of progress every time I head into the dungeon, theres just too many baddies that can one shot a character.... am I shit or is this game just tough as nails? I dont remember ever getting raped this hard in EO1.

any advice on War Magus builds or is it a turd class, I cant figure out what I should be spending points on really. I hear protectors suck in this game so I decided to give them a miss and instead go for all out offense
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Post by: Rain on June 30, 2008, 05:23:49 AM
New fish is in town  :P

I just got the game (damn dunno what to name my guild). Just wanna make sure: Is it fine to pick any job I like, or is there specific jobs that I should get?
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: The Sceneman on June 30, 2008, 05:43:11 AM
Im pretty sure the medic is essential, not sure what else you'd want... looks like as much offense as possible is the way to go, altohugh Im not actually doing too well myself so I wouldnt listen to me  :-\ wait for Card Cheat and Curseofthegods to pipe up again... or you could hit gfaqs lol

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Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Rain on June 30, 2008, 07:50:29 AM
Since it's my first time experiencing EO it was really... tough. It's been a long time since I played a game in which normal monsters can kick your butt this much  :-X

After trying everything I settled with:
Front: Lands \ Protector
Back: Medic \ Survivalist \ Alchemist

Alch is crazy. 'Fire' burns 40 HP and he's still at level 1, holy crap that's alot!  :D
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2008, 08:47:04 AM
Scenester:  I found that a Medic is not essential.  War Magus all the way, initially obviously getting points in War Lore and Cure, then you want to switch tracks and get points in War Edge and Strength, so that you can get Cursecut.  Why Cursecut?  Because you're going to switch out your Medic for a Hexer, that's why.  In the first stratum, their Poison skill is fuck awesome.  After that, you can use Curse on baddies.  It doesn't do much, but... when your WM uses Cursecut on a cursed baddie, THEY CAN REGENERATE TP.  Yup.  And WM has a little skill called Transfer, that lets you transfer TP to other characters.  You see where I'm going with this?  Don't worry, Hexer also has the cheapest skill in the game:  Revenge.  Cart a semi-dead Hexer around with you and then you can pretty much fuck own most things.  Non-elemental damage as well.

Rain:  Since it's your initiation into EO I would recommend playing with a Medic until you feel comfortable not doing so, then play around with a War Magus a bit.  Personally I find Protectors to be worthless in EO2, but I like dealing lots of damage so I roll with a Ronin even tho they have shitty defense early eventually it will be just slightly worse than the rest of your party and they hit really fucking hard.  As someone who really likes Alchemists it pained me to put mine down, but it was necessary- eventually you're going to want to explore around more, and your Alchemist will run out of TP fast.  No way around it.  When they do, they're pretty much useless.  I would say swap him out for a Gunner, who can use powerful elemental attacks that your Landsknecht can chase for combos.  Survivalist is good- they have lots of good skills that can help you in different ways.  You also are able to get their most powerful bow really early in the game if you fulfill a certain condition by beating the boss on the fifth floor, so they will deal a fuckload of damage well into the game.  In the end tho, you can use pretty much any combination of classes you want as long as you have some kind of healer and grind the fuck out of your characters so they can kick some ass.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: GilloD on June 30, 2008, 09:35:57 AM
Scenester:  I found that a Medic is not essential.  War Magus all the way, initially obviously getting points in War Lore and Cure, then you want to switch tracks and get points in War Edge and Strength, so that you can get Cursecut.  Why Cursecut?  Because you're going to switch out your Medic for a Hexer, that's why.  In the first stratum, their Poison skill is fuck awesome.  After that, you can use Curse on baddies.  It doesn't do much, but... when your WM uses Cursecut on a cursed baddie, THEY CAN REGENERATE TP.  Yup.  And WM has a little skill called Transfer, that lets you transfer TP to other characters.  You see where I'm going with this?  Don't worry, Hexer also has the cheapest skill in the game:  Revenge.  Cart a semi-dead Hexer around with you and then you can pretty much fuck own most things.  Non-elemental damage as well.

Rain:  Since it's your initiation into EO I would recommend playing with a Medic until you feel comfortable not doing so, then play around with a War Magus a bit.  Personally I find Protectors to be worthless in EO2, but I like dealing lots of damage so I roll with a Ronin even tho they have shitty defense early eventually it will be just slightly worse than the rest of your party and they hit really fucking hard.  As someone who really likes Alchemists it pained me to put mine down, but it was necessary- eventually you're going to want to explore around more, and your Alchemist will run out of TP fast.  No way around it.  When they do, they're pretty much useless.  I would say swap him out for a Gunner, who can use powerful elemental attacks that your Landsknecht can chase for combos.  Survivalist is good- they have lots of good skills that can help you in different ways.  You also are able to get their most powerful bow really early in the game if you fulfill a certain condition by beating the boss on the fifth floor, so they will deal a fuckload of damage well into the game.  In the end tho, you can use pretty much any combination of classes you want as long as you have some kind of healer and grind the fuck out of your characters so they can kick some ass.

I am taking this advice and reworking my party ASAP
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2008, 10:29:06 AM
The only problem is that you're gonna have to wait awhile to see benefits from the Hexer/War Magus combo.  First off, it's preferable to max out Poison for the Hexer before going for Curse as Poison is really useful for fights in the first stratum where you can't kill everything off in one turn.  Just poison 'em and they're toast.  That's 10 points in poison, and you want it maxed to get a good drop from the boss on floor 5.  The War Magus has to max out War Edge (10 points) and get a 6 in Str before you can get cursecut.  You'll also want to pump at least a point into War Lore and Cure so you can heal your party.  This team starts to shine in the second stratum imo, which is why I used a team of Ronin/Landsknecht/War Magus/Gunner/Gunner for the first stratum.  You could sub in a Survivalist for the second gunner too since they get decent bows pretty early, but I built a team of three Survivalists for lumberjacking purposes.

If you have the patience to level some characters up to 30 and retire them you can make your Hexer/WM combo work faster, otherwise you'll need to grind a bit.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2008, 03:37:08 PM
Yeah, the fact that the Ronin has no weapon mastery, just style mastery (Overhead, Iai, etc mastery applies to damage dealt from special attacks in that style, like Orochi) means that in late game situations a Dark Hunter will be able to slightly edge them in terms of damage dealt.  Supposedly, I'm not there yet but I could see it.  Dark Hunters are vicious fuckers.

GAWD, this quest where you spend three in game days on the fourth floor is mind numblingly boring but is great for forcing me to grind my survivalist lumberjacking squad.
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 01, 2008, 07:38:11 PM
Just when I was going to buy this game it falls off the first page. What gives?
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Vizzys on July 01, 2008, 07:40:54 PM
Just when I was going to buy this game it falls off the first page. What gives?

im sure people are still playing it

me im on the 15th floor but my tf2 addiction got the best of me lately

i suspect a HARD boss battle in this stratum though
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 01, 2008, 09:34:17 PM
Went to four stores including a GS and nobody had it. Unbelievable...
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 02, 2008, 05:06:41 AM
yep pretty much all Im playing this week.

*phew* thank god the difficulty eases off once you get to floors 4-5, I was just about ready to throw my DS at one point, I got sick of my party getting raped by just basic encounter beasties, and dont even mention the FOEs  :-X But yeah my guys are strong enough to handle a few hits now, and the medic's revive skill is a godsend. Although the medic is more or less deadweight except for that skill, the War Magus heals just as well and fights great too thanks to his awesome Boar Spear  :D

Im pretty sure Im gonna take Card Cheat's (on a side note, is he formerly Triumph? I lose track of all the name changes sometimes...) advice and swap out the medic for a hexer once my party gets a bit stronger, and also investing points into the War Magus skills he mentioned.

As for my Gunner, Ronin and Landsneckt skills Im just playing around really, try out various different skills and seeing which ones work best. Zamba is a nice powerful blow for my Ronin, Im going to try and build towards her sweet looking Fire based techniques. Gunner's (mine called Kobe lol  :P) voltshot is super-sweet so Im gonna pump that up, experimenting with arm and headshot (binding skills), I'll let you know how useful I find them against bosses and FOEs. Trying a sword build for Landsdude (still cant spell it haha), as I did axes in EO1. Im not really too fussed as I'll probably swap him out for a bear when I can get one.

WHEN DO I GET MY BEAR? Im going to call him Big Steve. Hopefully theres enough characters available. Big Dave might have to do
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2008, 08:57:29 AM
Yeah, I used to be Triumph.  Or still am.  Or something.

Anyway, you're just about to the point where you can start using Beasts.  Beating the level 5 boss lets you recruit them.  (pro-tip: go back in 14 days or later and beat the 5th floor boss again, but make sure he's poisoned when he dies.  You get his conditional item drop, which you can sell for lots of fuck monies)  Actually, you have to go back to the spot where the wolf was afterwards.  Hope that makes sense.  You'll be disappointed, tho.  They're not that great- their best skill requires a prerequisite that lets them take hits for other team members but a glitch(maybe, maybe it was intentional) uses the OTHER characters def instead of the Beast's for determining damage.  They do have a pretty cool smorgasboard of skills to fuck around with, tho.  I created 3 beasts to fuck around with- Mange the Wolf, Colbert the Bear, and Maurice the Stupid Panda.  I leveled them to around lv 5 and forgot about them.

Gunner's binds aren't very good, hit at a lower percentage than DH.  Really can't recommend DH enough, they fucking rock balls.  Fire-based techs for Ronin are the best- Orochi, Kienzan and Midareba all rock balls.  Pumping points into clarity is also a good idea.  Sword Landsknechts are good for hitting multiple baddies with all-slash.  Once you're comfortable with your War Magus as healer tho I'd definitely sub out your Medic as they just kind of sit there in the mid game I've found.

Basically, don't be afraid to experiment tho.  You can always rest and reset skills, just grind to make up those 5 levels.  Of the five characters in my party right now, I retired my Ronin at level 30 to get another Ronin with beefed up stats and more skill points.  I rested my War Magus and Hexer because I didn't like the builds I had going, and my Gunner and Dark Hunter I decided were fine.  The important thing to remember is that when deciding to rest, figure out what you want the build at five levels less to look like.  Remember you're going to be losing basically 5 points, so if you can't figure out how to reallocate in a way that benefits you don't bother to do it, just grind a bit.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
Yes, that bug was fixed for the NA version.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 02, 2008, 04:07:27 PM
whoa so the level cap is 99 this time as opposed to 70? good news...
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2008, 06:46:28 PM
the initial cap is still 70.  Everytime you retire a character the cap gets moved up 1.  I hope you don't plan on doing that :-\

Also, you have to retire the character at the max level- 70 initially, then the retired character is level 30 and you have to retire at 71 to get another level 30 character you can retire at 72, etc.  Not something I plan on doing, personally.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 03, 2008, 04:33:31 AM
jesus, no doesnt sound like a very good plan...

had a great run on the bus today, wasted heaps of of Furyhorns for 'payback', completed a couple of quests, made some coin and gained a couple of levels. Im going to grind loot for the best gear available and take on Chimaera... wonder if he shouldve been called Chimera... or if hes Chimaera the Chimera... whats the best way to poison him? Alchemist? Do hexers and dark hunters have poisoning skills?

Im keen for his fuck monies loot :bow fuck monies :bow2
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 03, 2008, 09:17:12 AM
Best way to poison Chimaera is Hexer, who with a maxed out Poison skill has a base 87% chance to poison.  That doesn't take into account any modifiers the Hexer has (Luck modifies the Hexer's chances to hit with any curse, interestingly enough) and the Chimaera's resistance to said curses.  FWIW, I went in with a Hexer with a 10 in poison and hit him on the first turn although plenty of other people have bitched about not being able to poison him lolz.  It also dealt almost 300 points of damage at the end of the turn, not that it mattered because he was fucking bound up tight as balls by my DH and had just been hit with an Issen.  Next turn he went down to Climax.

Other ways to poison:  your other options are Dark Hunter and Survivalist, and frankly they both suck at it, especially compared to Hexer, and ESPECIALLY especially when you take into account that there are much, much better skills to be pumping points into for those classes at this point in the game or just in general.  Finally, you might have an item that lets you poison- this was how I tried to poison him when I fought him initially, when my party was Ronin/Landsknecht/War Magus/Gunner/Gunner.  It didn't work the first time, or the second after I reset the game.  The item probably has a shitty base chance to hit.  Basically your best bet to get his conditional drop (and mad fuck monies) is a Hexer with maxed out poison.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 03, 2008, 03:57:31 PM
Hexer it is  :D
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 03, 2008, 04:02:03 PM
 :( maybe you should just take a break or something, does the game get crazy hard later on?
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 03, 2008, 04:16:06 PM
gotcha. Well, keep posting in this thread anyway to give me advice when I need it  :D
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 03, 2008, 07:21:17 PM
Ok.  I'm playing again.

:-\

IT'S LIKE CRACK

I'm on 4th stratum.
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Post by: Narag on July 03, 2008, 07:34:14 PM
I got frustrated on the flygourds on floor 17.  I'm trying to get their rare drop, but it must be fully bound when killing it.  My Dark Hunter has maxed gag and tec and I give him luck equipment, and he's never binding.  My single hexer is doing an ok job, but by the time I try to bind the third part, one of the others wears off.  I reallllllllly want this rare drop, so I just made a team of hexer scrubs to bind the bastard.  Let's see if it works.
What about the DH force move that fully binds? Or is that not as effective later on?
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 04, 2008, 01:11:12 AM
Finally found it...starting off with:

Ronin
Medic
Landsknecht
Gunner
Protector

Good?
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 04, 2008, 01:21:03 AM
Hexer? Really?

The booklet made it seem like all they do is stand there and be pretty.

Will do though...
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Post by: Narag on July 04, 2008, 01:42:30 AM
Are the protectors nerfed in this game?
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Post by: Vizzys on July 04, 2008, 01:48:30 AM
they arent THAT bad
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Post by: Narag on July 04, 2008, 02:33:15 AM
L - P - DH - S - M did me well in EO1 and it'll damn well work for me in EO2 even if I have to grind up some cash for godly gear for the Protector then.  :'(
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2008, 08:46:34 AM
L - P - DH - S - M did me well in EO1 and it'll damn well work for me in EO2 even if I have to grind up some cash for godly gear for the Protector then.  :'(

lolz, you'll succeed IN SPITE OF your Protector only because of the presence of your awesome DH.  Also, if you're going to have a Landsknecht you might as well run a Gunner or Ronin or Alchemist so you have something to chase and combo off of.  For the first stratum I ran a team of R-L-WM-G-G and it was pretty much cake.  After the first stratum I switched out the Landsknecht and second Gunner for Dark Hunter and Hexer and haven't looked back, they're fuck awesome.
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 04, 2008, 09:22:45 PM
WOW @ the first boss. Completely annihilated me.

What level do I need to be at to beat him?

EDIT: Looking at Gamefaqs, you don't have to fight that thing before moving on.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey 2 Thread (with EO1 discussion) Value Pack
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2008, 09:46:23 AM
WOW @ the first boss. Completely annihilated me.

What level do I need to be at to beat him?

EDIT: Looking at Gamefaqs, you don't have to fight that thing before moving on.

You talking about the Furylord on Lv 3?  Yeah, don't fuck with him.  That whole mission is basically designed to show you how to avoid FOEs.
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 05, 2008, 10:46:08 AM
Yeah, that's what I did. This game is tough. I've had all my characters die several times on the first stratum.
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Post by: Rman on July 05, 2008, 10:47:57 AM
Dying a way of life in EO.  I was shocked at first as well, but you get used to it.
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Post by: demi on July 05, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
EO is basically WoW in handheld format. Expect to lose your life to it, without paying the monthly fee
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 06, 2008, 01:05:41 AM
Gawd damnit this game is fucking tough. I can't venture very far into the second level of the first labrynth without either running across a FOE that moves in front of me or getting my ass handed to me by one of those oison butterflies. Right now I'm kinda just grinding on the first floor trying to boost my stats and get money for better equipment. I think I may be playing it wrong or something. Why do I have to travel all the way through the first floor to get to the second floor everytime? Is there a way to go straight to the second floor?
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Post by: Narag on July 06, 2008, 01:10:42 AM
No, but you'll find a location that'll let you teleport to the 3rd once you get there.

EO1 wasn't as forgiving.
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 06, 2008, 01:27:55 AM
So, should I just continue to grind and get more powerful?
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Post by: Narag on July 06, 2008, 01:29:59 AM
I would. The characters are rather gear dependant too.  There are some money making party ideas that people have on here that I've just glanced over but they might be able to explain them better.  I just roll with my 5 then cry a little when I wipe.
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Post by: demi on July 06, 2008, 01:39:54 AM
So, should I just continue to grind and get more powerful?


^ That's EO in a nutshell - if that's not your thing, stop playing right now
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 06, 2008, 10:37:53 AM
Nah, I'm digging it fine. One thing I've notced is that the inn and hospital prices keep going up. Does that get capped at some point? 
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Post by: demi on July 06, 2008, 10:55:07 AM
No, it rises as you gain levels - if you want to cheat, change your group to Level 1 people and when you sleep, it will be cheaper and everyone gets healed, could be wrong though
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2008, 12:56:41 PM
No, it rises as you gain levels - if you want to cheat, change your group to Level 1 people and when you sleep, it will be cheaper and everyone gets healed, could be wrong though

Nah, unfortunately you have to be in the party that stays at the inn to get healed.  The inn price will always be the level of the highest level character X 5 en.
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 06, 2008, 08:57:44 PM
Bah...that sucks ass.
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Post by: Rman on July 06, 2008, 09:06:22 PM
That some hardcore stuff with the Inn pricing.  It looks like the hospital works the same way too.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 07, 2008, 08:33:22 PM
hey how do you kill those tri-gourd guys on 6-7F? (purple foe balls) Weapons and shit dont seem to scratch them... Im really keen to stick it to them
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Post by: Vizzys on July 07, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
hey how do you kill those tri-gourd guys on 6-7F? (purple foe balls) Weapons and shit dont seem to scratch them... Im really keen to stick it to them

strong to everything but ice and volt I think

avoid them
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Post by: TVC15 on July 07, 2008, 08:49:14 PM
Ok, I NEED to replace my protector.  Worst class ever.  I need a second person for my front line aside from the landshark.  Recs?
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2008, 10:04:20 PM
Ok, I NEED to replace my protector.  Worst class ever.  I need a second person for my front line aside from the landshark.  Recs?

IMO it's easier to roll with 3 on the front lines and 2 in the back, as the damage gets distributed more evenly that way.  I'd replace that Protector with either a Ronin or Dark Hunter.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2008, 10:07:22 PM
hey how do you kill those tri-gourd guys on 6-7F? (purple foe balls) Weapons and shit dont seem to scratch them... Im really keen to stick it to them

As Viz said, strong against everything but ice and volt.  Alternately you could use dampen from a hexer to make them take 120% damage from everything, but it's fucking ridiculously hard to get Dampen- have to unlock scavenge (5 each in TP and TEC up), max that out and have a 10 in Curses.  Pretty fucking worth it, tho.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2008, 10:40:48 PM
Dampen is so fucking great.

Hexers :bow2

I go back and forth on whether or not Hexers or Dark Hunters are the best class.  It's definitely one of those two, tho.  Protector has to be the worst, tho.  I'd say beasts were but at least they can gather a bunch of shit.
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 07, 2008, 11:38:58 PM
Gawd Damnit...y'all are making me want to reinstate my hexer. He's been completely worthless so far at the beginning.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2008, 08:01:45 AM
I think Atlus just really fucked up on the programming for Beasts.  Their abilities are worthless...or worse than worthless.  Gathering's nice, but survivalists are better at that too.  I used to play a tank in WoW so I always liked the idea of having a "tank" class in EO, but they just don't work. 

I didn't see a password feature in the options at all...does this mean no EO3?  :gloomy

I think that they fucked up with Loyalty.  I'm not sure why when it activates and you block for someone else you use THEIR defense rating to determine the damage taken by the BEAST.  Dumb dumb dumb.  That alone pretty much makes Beasts useless, because loyalty unlocks their best skill but it's pretty much impossible to level them up to fucking get it because they'll be dying all the goddamn time.

But yeah, there's no point in trying to tank in this game.  It's all about using overwhelming force or fucking with the enemies to make them unable to fuck with you, which is why Dark Hunters and Hexers are so fuck awesome.  Ronins and Gunners too.  War Magus makes the cut because they do more damage than Medics and have the broken Cursecut/Transfer combo.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 10, 2008, 02:50:27 AM
Yeah Im keeping my bear for aesthetic value mainly, hes damn good at getting items (good for me as Im doing every quest I can as I proceed), but hes a fucking pussbag in a fight. Do any of the beast skills deal more damage than a plain attack? Ive tried bodyslam and claw and they both do like 1/3 the damage of just attacking.... they fucked up bad alright. Im going to replace him with a dark hunter I think...

I just beat Hellion in a gripping battle, it was a real struggle but magaged to fuck him in the end. The boss music is soooooo pump up. 3rd stratum seems real cool, great music.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 11, 2008, 10:15:05 PM
thread is dead  :(

Im getting sick of getting pinned to the wall by FOEs I tells ya, just lost a big swag of loot
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2008, 10:17:17 PM
I lost focus in the 4th stratum, plus my copy of Toll the Hounds showed up from the UK this week so EO2 has been low on my list of shit to do.  I imagine I'll dive back in next week.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 12, 2008, 10:03:48 AM
fair enough, sounds like youre done with the game.... 6th stratum in EO1 did me in too, just too unforgiving, time consuming and annoying
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Post by: siamesedreamer on July 12, 2008, 01:35:21 PM
I'm about to quit on the first stratum. My gaming time is limited and I just don't want to fool with playing for 45 minutes and then getting my ass handed to me with nothing to show for it. And I really want to like this game. But, its just way too unforgiving.
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Post by: MoxManiac on July 13, 2008, 10:10:30 AM
I haven't gotten to EO2 yet, but I was wondering about the classes. Are medics required again? I want to try the new classes (cept for the beasts which sound horrible) but i'm wondering if it's better balanced this time around, as in greater freedom on classes to use?
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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2008, 10:40:28 AM
I haven't gotten to EO2 yet, but I was wondering about the classes. Are medics required again? I want to try the new classes (cept for the beasts which sound horrible) but i'm wondering if it's better balanced this time around, as in greater freedom on classes to use?

I never played EO1, but I've played the majority of the game using a War Magus.  You do pretty much need one or the other imo tho.
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Post by: The Sceneman on July 27, 2008, 09:10:36 PM
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/mad_chump/eobannercopy.jpg)

thread resurrection time!

I figure Im not the only one thats still playing this. Up to 18F now... just need some build advice

Working towards dampen with my Hexer (Terry), almost there. Poison and Corrupt are maxed out... but still hardly ever get the FOEs. Does TEC up help?

Yep, Beasts (Big Dave) skills are pretty much useless. Devour combined with loyalty does make for easier surviviabilty... I pretty much keep him around for the sweet loot gathering skills.

Ive got like 12 unused skill points for my Ronin (Diedre, lol) that I cannot figure out where to put them. Already maxed out Clarity, Orochi and Kienzan. What else?

Gunner (Kobe, after the basketball player) builds himself and kicks ass. Wildshot :rock Riskshot was good until the beast defends and ends up taking 700 damage, fucking lousy programming

Working on a bard (Criss, after Criss Angel), maxed out divinity, what other skills are useful? Relaxing was the bomb in EO1 but theyve taken it away  :(