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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 13, 2008, 04:10:14 PM

Title: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 13, 2008, 04:10:14 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&no_interstitial

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...the new state-prescribed limit for male waistlines is a strict 33.5 inches...

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To reach its goals of shrinking the overweight population by 10 percent over the next four years and 25 percent over the next seven years, the government will impose financial penalties on companies and local governments that fail to meet specific targets.

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But critics say that the government guidelines — especially the one about male waistlines — are simply too strict and that more than half of all men will be considered overweight.

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With the new law, Matsushita has to measure the waistlines of not only its employees but also of their families and retirees. As part of its intensifying efforts, the company has started giving its employees “metabo check” towels that double as tape measures.

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NEC, Japan’s largest maker of personal computers, said that if it failed to meet its targets, it could incur as much as $19 million in penalties.

:japancry :elephant :japancry
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: disgruntled_jojo on June 13, 2008, 04:14:47 PM
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“I don’t think the campaign will have any positive effect. Now if you did this in the United States, there would be benefits, since there are many Americans who weigh more than 100 kilograms,” or about 220 pounds, Mr. Ogushi said. “But the Japanese are so slender that they can’t afford to lose weight.”

By the way the limits for companies work, it sounds like Japan is about to have a problem with weight discrimination.  I'm sure they'll be keeping an eye on the size of new hires, and preferring those who are thinner.  Likewise, i wouldn't be surprised if we see where the 'overweight' people in some of these companies might suddenly find themselves the target of some of Japan's more notorious 'forced resignation' tactics to get their number of fatties down.

God knows if they instituted this at my company, we'd just pay the fucking 19 million.  There's no way we could meet those goals.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2008, 04:19:19 PM
And people dare laugh at the US.  :lol
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 04:21:22 PM
So it's illegal to be overweight?

Communist Japan.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Candyflip on June 13, 2008, 04:23:37 PM
33? Holy shit. I'm skin and bones and I've got a 30" waist. They must be trying to squelch obesity before it reaches America levels.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 04:25:40 PM
This is some of the dumbest shit ever.

Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: brawndolicious on June 13, 2008, 04:26:31 PM
And people dare laugh at the US.  :lol
It makes sense since it'll cut down on long-term health costs.  Britain has a similar thing with the healthcare you can receive and your BMI.  There should be an exception for those who have a genetic predisposition to being fat.  This is sort of overkill for Japan though since I've heard that they have a very thin population.

I mean, a 33.5 inch waistline is pretty tight if you're moderately tall but in shape.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: demi on June 13, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
Just another reason why America is #1 :usa
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: demi on June 13, 2008, 04:37:11 PM
I wonder if lyte edge is freaking out right now
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 04:39:00 PM
I'm sure tnw would be exported. Fat taco jap.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2008, 04:56:02 PM
Just another reason why America is #1 :usa

:rock
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Crushed on June 13, 2008, 04:59:20 PM
Nintendo bribed the government into doing this. Now they must buy Wii Fit, or get the fat tax.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: muckhole on June 13, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
What's going to happen to all the sumo wrestlers? :'(
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 06:53:39 PM
 :lol :lol :lol State prescribed waste line.

Communist Japan confirmed
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Tieno on June 13, 2008, 06:53:52 PM
edit: beaten by crushed.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 06:54:43 PM
What's going to happen to all the sumo wrestlers? :'(

A small (big?) price to pay for such needed socialist policies.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 06:57:52 PM
I'm a 34 waist with 15% body fat. Some people just have a bigger bone structure.

Fatty fatty mcfatty you cant go to Japan.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 13, 2008, 08:01:50 PM
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...the new state-prescribed limit for male waistlines is a strict 33.5 inches...

what
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: drew on June 13, 2008, 08:10:31 PM
you must have a wykd muffin top, then.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 13, 2008, 08:12:16 PM
japagaf evicted; news at 11

excluding sp0rsks; it would take 10 of him to equal 33.5" circumference
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Crushed on June 13, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
japagaf evicted; news at 11
Sp0rsk isn't fat, he's a bunch of hairy skin and bones.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: bork on June 13, 2008, 08:13:35 PM
I wonder if lyte edge is freaking out right now

I've already joined the resistance movement!  We're gonna go in front of government buildings and eat donuts in protest.

Perhaps the earthquake this morning was the result of angry fatties?   :o

What's going to happen to all the sumo wrestlers? :'(

Good question, this seems to be targeted at companies, so they're fine.  Unless the people behind this are insane...and this being Japan, that is likely!

Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 08:24:51 PM
eating donuts in protest :rofl
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: MrSingh on June 13, 2008, 08:26:17 PM
This, plus a rumor of the government's plan to raise the highest tax bracket to 80% = time to for fat rich people to leave the country!
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2008, 10:03:43 PM
Routine traffic stops would require a tape measure.

"Put your hands behind your head and relax your belly!"
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:04:22 PM
So basically, they want Japan to be full of twigs and even more men that look like girls.

(http://itola.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/fat-guy.jpg)

This... is not right.

There is zero benefit to being fat. There are plenty of benefits for being the right weight. Also, as am nintendo said, the government saves on healthcare budget. Same thing with smoking - it's so heavily taxed because a good part of that money gets poured into saving lung cancer, emphysema and peripheral disease patients from diseases associated with smoking. Now the Japanese will have money to combat obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular diseases.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:07:27 PM
What are the benefits for being the right weight?
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2008, 10:08:20 PM
What are the benefits for being the right weight?

Proper blood pressure for one.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:09:21 PM
Because all fat people have high blood pressure.... ::)
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:09:38 PM
This, plus a rumor of the government's plan to raise the highest tax bracket to 80% = time to for fat rich people to leave the country!

 :o

Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:10:44 PM
It's really not the governments job to regulate weight, unless you are a die hard statist. This is pretty distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 10:12:16 PM
Seriously.

And 33" is small anyway. And it ignores height and muscle. And it is going to result in employment problems. It's stupid.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:13:11 PM
Routine traffic stops would require a tape measure.

"Put your hands behind your head and relax your belly!"

 :lol Being Japan, I can definitely see something similar occur!

What are the benefits for being the right weight?

You can't be serious!
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:14:02 PM
I don't think it's distinguished mentally-challenged at all, perhaps extreme, I'll lend you that. But look at all the fat asses in America, you know what a lot 'em's problem is? They think it's okay to be fat tubs of shit. At least Japan has the balls to say "Fatties, what the fuck? Get that shit goin!"

And guess whos problem/responsibility it is that they are fat.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
I don't see anything wrong with being fat. I'm skinny myself, but i'm a FA (http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/forums/) and yeah, extreme obesity is a problem but between 20-150 lbs overweight isn't anything bad at all.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:15:38 PM
If you think the gross amounts of over weight people is only the problem of the over weight people themselves, you're just not thinking.

Tell me what I should care if my neighbor is fat.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:16:10 PM
Maybe you can tell me whats wrong with them? If you're going to pull the whole "LOL THEY SO FAT THEY CANT FIT IN A AIRPLANE" argument, then just don't bother arguing.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:16:54 PM
It's really not the governments job to regulate weight, unless you are a die hard statist. This is pretty distinguished mentally-challenged.

It is the government's job to look after its citizens' health. Being obese leads to numerous risk factors which of course are health-related.

I can definitely see their train of logic here.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:18:41 PM
It's really not the governments job to regulate weight, unless you are a die hard statist. This is pretty distinguished mentally-challenged.

It is the government's job to look after its citizens' health. Being obese leads to numerous risk factors which of course are health-related.

I can definitely see their train of logic here.

Sigh
It's not the governments job to keep you healthy. thats something called personal responsibility, it's lost on alot of people here at evilbore.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 13, 2008, 10:18:44 PM
oh my, i fear i'm going to have to take foc's side on this one
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
Theres no more risk factors being obese than there are being skinny. It's all just propoganda programmed into your head. If you want to really know about the subject spend a day reading Dimensions Online and actually being educated.

Sorry, but I just find it offensive that you're calling my gf disgusting and a waste of space.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:19:55 PM
If you guys think this idea is "distinguished mentally-challenged", I have news for you:

Will airlines start charging passengers by weight?

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html)
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:20:02 PM
Okay, yeah. I'm not so much down with debating with chunky lover (150 lbs isn't anything bad at all? You fuckin crazy?) and well, FoC I've lurked enough of your "debates" to know you're not worth the time. I stated my opinion, don't agree? Go eat a box of donuts.

120 + 150 = 270. That's not bad at all.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:20:14 PM
If you guys think this idea is "distinguished mentally-challenged", I have news for you:

Will airlines start charging passengers by weight?

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html)

Already prooved to be a hoax. Try again.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:21:30 PM
If you guys think this idea is "distinguished mentally-challenged", I have news for you:

Will airlines start charging passengers by weight?

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html)

Airlines =/= the government.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: demi on June 13, 2008, 10:22:11 PM
I don't see anything wrong with being fat. I'm skinny myself

stopped reading here, stfu
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:25:37 PM
Sigh
It's not the governments job to keep you healthy. thats something called personal responsibility, it's lost on alot of people here at evilbore.

It's not the government's job to keep you healthy, it's our choice whether to be healthy or not. You are right. That isn't the issue. The issue for the Japanese government is this: they have a public health system (and a good one at that) so either they continue diverting their annual budget to treat health problems related to obesity or they charge you for being obese and still have the money to cover their budget. You can still be obese - nobody's stopping you from it. You just have to pay for "obesity tax" which gets channeled back to you when you finally get diabetes or a heart attack and it's the government that has to pay the bill anyhow.

You know, just like cigarettes.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:27:02 PM
If you guys think this idea is "distinguished mentally-challenged", I have news for you:

Will airlines start charging passengers by weight?

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2008/06/03/2008-06-03_will_airlines_start_charging_passengers_.html)

Already prooved to be a hoax. Try again.

Hey, didn't know. Got a link? Not doubting, just would like to read the article.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 10:27:02 PM
It's really not the governments job to regulate weight, unless you are a die hard statist. This is pretty distinguished mentally-challenged.

It is the government's job to look after its citizens' health. Being obese leads to numerous risk factors which of course are health-related.

I can definitely see their train of logic here.

Then weigh them when they go for driver's licenses, don't impose penalties on their employers. What the fuck are companies gonna do if their employees don't wanna go on a diet? Fire them? How does that help society?

As if the government should be this involved in your shit anyway, and as if the single measurement of waistline means jack shit.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:28:06 PM
"

Hey, didn't know. Got a link? Not doubting, just would like to read the article."

I don't have a link, I just read that it was a hoax on Dimensions Board.

Also it shouldnt be unnacceptable to be fat. Theres nothing wrong with it.

This whole entire thing just makes Japan fucking stupid. It's like charging black people over in Japan for being black.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:30:43 PM
Sigh
It's not the governments job to keep you healthy. thats something called personal responsibility, it's lost on alot of people here at evilbore.

It's not the government's job to keep you healthy, it's our choice whether to be healthy or not. You are right. That isn't the issue. The issue for the Japanese government is this: they have a public health system (and a good one at that) so either they continue diverting their annual budget to treat health problems related to obesity or they charge you for being obese and still have the money to cover their budget.

I think I found the problem.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 13, 2008, 10:31:17 PM
With the world food shortage I think poor fat people have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:38:08 PM
You still haven't told me anything wrong with it. Diabetes and heart attache? Um, theres no more risk to get that then when you're skinny.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:40:30 PM
It's really not the governments job to regulate weight, unless you are a die hard statist. This is pretty distinguished mentally-challenged.

It is the government's job to look after its citizens' health. Being obese leads to numerous risk factors which of course are health-related.

I can definitely see their train of logic here.

Then weigh them when they go for driver's licenses, don't impose penalties on their employers. What the fuck are companies gonna do if their employees don't wanna go on a diet? Fire them? How does that help society?

As if the government should be this involved in your shit anyway, and as if the single measurement of waistline means jack shit.

I agree the employers aren't the ones to blame. I also agree that it's ridiculous to use a waistband to measure. You'd need a proper weight assessment. And yes, get them when they apply for their ID card or drivers license.

But I think that while the execution would be flawed, the economic and social principles are sound. For the Japanese government they don't have the moral option of saying "screw you guys, we ain't footin' your medical bills anymore on account of you eating yourself to death". They have the "social obligation" to provide such services because they have done so for years and their tremendous sense of family and respect for elders ethically binds them to this "obligation".

This isn't the US we're talking about. The health system there isn't anything like the one in Japan, or Hong Kong, or Taiwan for that matter, where public healthcare infrastructure is frequently better than the private sector. That's got to have a pretty penny.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 10:42:09 PM
I have a fat dick and it's never been a problem
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 10:43:23 PM
I cant wait till they tax based on how much sleep we get.  :hyper
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 13, 2008, 10:44:22 PM
I think the government should just offer a cashback scheme for stomach stapling and all those other procedures to fatties.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:45:12 PM
You still haven't told me anything wrong with it. Diabetes and heart attache? Um, theres no more risk to get that then when you're skinny.

Here's a list:

Type 2 diabetes
Heart disease
High cholesterol
Sleep apnea
Varicose veins
Breast, endometrial, prostate, and colon cancers
Arthritis
Gallbladder disease
Rashes and other skin abnormalities (such as warts)
High blood pressure

And I hardly think the Japanese government is combating one extreme with another - it's about maintaining a healthy weight. Nobody's saying that they are advocating starvation-level skinniness.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 10:46:15 PM
I have a fat dick and it's never been a problem

You get tax breaks for that in Japan!

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Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:48:04 PM
You still haven't told me anything wrong with it. Diabetes and heart attache? Um, theres no more risk to get that then when you're skinny.

Here's a list:

Type 2 diabetes
Heart disease
High cholesterol
Sleep apnea
Varicose veins
Breast, endometrial, prostate, and colon cancers
Arthritis
Gallbladder disease
Rashes and other skin abnormalities (such as warts)
High blood pressure

And I hardly think the Japanese government is combating one extreme with another - it's about maintaining a healthy weight. Nobody's saying that they are advocating starvation-level skinniness.

The only one there is sleep apnea. The others can all be had from being skinny too.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
No, i'm apparently the only one who hasn't been brainwashed by the media to think fat is this big evil.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:52:42 PM
Greatly increased risk? No, not really. Maybe a five percent chance higher risk, but no.

And you act like every fat person gets all of those, which could be farther from the truth.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:54:25 PM
Whatever, be ignorant and ignore the truth.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 10:57:03 PM
Yea post some fat shit
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 10:57:56 PM
I don't even need to, I gave you the best site where you all can read up and stop being ignorant. DimensionsMagazine.Com . Lots of articles there with the truth.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 10:59:16 PM
Don't link to the front page of a forum :lol

I want to see fat reports from fat doctors
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 11:00:37 PM
Don't link to the front page of a forum :lol

I want to see fat reports from fat doctors

It's not the front page of a forum. It's the front page for one of the former best selling magazines in america.

Maybe if I get some time tommorrow I can put together a comprehensive report, but I have to go to work tommorow and don't have time to stay up with people who will just say shenanigans on anything I present anyways.


Oh and btw, these things that say fat is so bad, are funded by medication companies with weight loss pills.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 11:04:05 PM
My fat ass roommate used to sleep with Chips Ahoy smashed up under his pillow and he'd wake up with crumbs on his tits

Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 11:04:36 PM
I think you're just jealous that there are fat people who can get/give pussy more than you.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 11:04:44 PM
My fat ass roommate used to sleep with Chips Ahoy smashed up under his pillow and he'd wake up with crumbs on his tits

Call homeland security and report that motherfucker.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 11:06:28 PM
My fat roommate used to jerk off into tissues and then use them to wipe the tears from his eyes

and the potato chip crumbs


Here is his den in daytime

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5800/dscf2544ex9.jpg)
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 11:07:56 PM
Be honest thats just your mothers bed.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 11:09:09 PM
See that febreze? He thought it cured bacne
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 13, 2008, 11:09:30 PM
Thought you didn't have time to stay up? Where's the facts mah boi?

It'll take more than ten minutes to get all the proof.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 13, 2008, 11:09:39 PM
See that febreze? He thought it cured bacne

 :lol :lol

You cant be serious.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 11:11:20 PM
:lol I'm not, not that part or the jerking off

I'm serious about the Chips Ahoy under the pillow and the bacne, and that Febreze was in fact used so he would never have to wash the sheets he wallowed in all day.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: crimsondynamics on June 13, 2008, 11:13:43 PM
The only one there is sleep apnea. The others can all be had from being skinny too.

Nobody but you are saying you must be skinny.

There's a big gap between being a healthy weight and skinny or obese.

Here, let me illustrate.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2577069436_6d52dd4400_o.png)
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Himu on June 13, 2008, 11:24:21 PM
I wonder if lyte edge is freaking out right now

I've already joined the resistance movement!  We're gonna go in front of government buildings and eat donuts in protest.

Perhaps the earthquake this morning was the result of angry fatties?   :o


:rofl
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: evilromero on June 13, 2008, 11:33:47 PM
The government is worried about fatties sinking Japan into the ocean. It's gonna happen to California.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2008, 11:53:30 PM
Anywho, I was having some fun but I would like to see these reports countering public perception of obesity.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Trent Dole on June 14, 2008, 12:12:12 AM
FAT PEOPLE
EH EH EH EH EH EH EH
SKINNY PEOPLE
DOOP DOOP DOOP DOOP
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: chronovore on June 14, 2008, 02:35:07 AM
What are the benefits for being the right weight?

Keeping my poorly designed weak-ass knees in working order.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2008, 04:25:03 AM
What are the benefits for being the right weight?

Being able to point at fatties and laugh at them.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: elektrikluv on June 14, 2008, 06:31:31 AM
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120 + 150 = 270. That's not bad at all.

270 is not bad? That's 122kg, for someone as you say that's meant to weight 120 so I assume they're female. So someone who is supposed to weigh 54kg, its not bad that they weigh 122?! What the hell....That is ridiculously overweight and more than twice the person's 'average' weight. If you can't see a problem with that then you're delusional.

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The only one there is sleep apnea. The others can all be had from being skinny too.

Don't you understand? Yes you can attain those whilst being skinny, but being fat makes you more at risk. And where the fuck did you get your "maybe 5% but no" statistic from?!

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Oh and btw, these things that say fat is so bad, are funded by medication companies with weight loss pills.

The National Health Service here in the UK has tons of research  and statistics and leaflets about the dangers of obesity, and they certainly don't sell weight loss pills nor are they funded by medication companies, they're funded by tax payers money.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2008, 02:30:31 PM
this is the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing i have ever heard and whoever thinks it is a good idea is dum
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 14, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
let's address the pink elephant (lol) here, chiggaz: you're so strident about fatties because a) they aren't aesthetically pleasing to look at; and b) in puritan-ass america, they symbolize laziness and a lack of self-control. hence, the language of contempt, rather than the language of sympathy. nobody HERE really gives a shit about helping fatties get healthier, so stick to the insults and stay away from the manufactured concern, if only for the sake of honesty (and consistency).
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: APF on June 14, 2008, 05:10:40 PM
As a former personal trainer, I certainly didn't help all those overweight folks get into marginally better shape because I hated to be around them. :P
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 14, 2008, 06:47:14 PM
33? Holy shit. I'm skin and bones and I've got a 30" waist. They must be trying to squelch obesity before it reaches America levels.

yeah you're below average there champ.

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let's address the pink elephant (lol) here, chiggaz: you're so strident about fatties because a) they aren't aesthetically pleasing to look at; and b) in puritan-ass america, they symbolize laziness and a lack of self-control. hence, the language of contempt, rather than the language of sympathy. nobody HERE really gives a shit about helping fatties get healthier, so stick to the insults and stay away from the manufactured concern, if only for the sake of honesty (and consistency).

In the U.S., damn straight I don't like seriously overweight people.  I'm not talking chubby or even verified fat.  I'm talking about the mouth breathing smelly scary, seriously large people who don't seem like they're just naturally large.  The kind you see at game stores or hobbling into McDonald's.

But as much as I hate super U.S.A. McDonald's fatties, this policy is seriously fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and will lead to ridiculous discrimination against fat people.  Not that discrimination isn't already a huge problem for Japan
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: brawndolicious on June 14, 2008, 07:08:16 PM
Someone keeps mentioning cigs...  you can smoke *everywhere* here in Japan, cigs are like two-and-a-half bucks a pack, and I don't think I could walk two meters without seeing someone with a cigarette dangling out of his or her maw.

Also, Japan's health care system is shit.  It's even worse than Canada's, and that's saying something.
I imagine the low cost of cigs is because of their popularity.  It doesn't mean they're not taxed though.

For the fat tax; it makes sense in any country where there is universal health care.  It distributes the resources more evenly.  I do hope that all fat people pay the same price and that it's not based on a percentage of your paycheck.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 14, 2008, 07:11:43 PM
I think it's stupid to dislike someone because they're fat.

That's like, the most shallowest shit in the world. Like extreme racism shit.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: brawndolicious on June 14, 2008, 07:24:43 PM
I'm...sorry.
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Post by: demi on June 14, 2008, 07:39:29 PM
:lol Nobody tell him about Olimario
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 14, 2008, 07:43:30 PM
I dislike fat women because some of them are otherwise pretty cool and would make valuable additions to my theoretical dating pool.  On the other hand, fat men are great.  I wish all men other than me were disgustingly obese.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: APF on June 14, 2008, 07:54:10 PM
At the very least, if you're going to argue this is rational in a UHC country, base it on actual body fat percentage and not BMI which is a rough tool for quick estimation and not a meaningful measure of anything health-related.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: bork on June 14, 2008, 08:40:31 PM
I gotta say, I saw more fatties in Tokyo than I ever have seen before, and I'm not talking about other foreigners.   :P

This one heavy-set lady was SKIPPING down a crosswalk last night...I couldn't help bursting out laughing.   :lol

Made me feel better about myself though, cuz all these dudes were WAAAAY fatter than I am.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: duckman2000 on June 14, 2008, 09:55:17 PM
Sounds great.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: BlackMage on June 14, 2008, 11:06:26 PM
wtf! I'm 6'3" 173 (which is underweight) and I have a 34" waist
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: xnikki118x on June 15, 2008, 12:29:39 AM
Am I a terrible human being for thinking this is kind of a step in the right direction? I mean it's extreme, sure--33 inch waist is way tiny--but I hate the fatties who live on Hungryman frozen dinners and drive up the cost of health care.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: xnikki118x on June 15, 2008, 01:02:45 AM
There really should be an old people tax, too.  They're the real menace.

I find that often, old people are either really nice or really mean. I wonder why what happens.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2008, 01:24:50 AM
People with an active sporting life have to pay more tax because they are a greater health risk?  :lol

Yes, minor injuries are part of keeping fit and playing sports. But the long-term health gains far outweigh the short-term aches and pains. Every 65-yr old jogger is a 65-yr old NOT in a nursing home or in long-term hospital care.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 15, 2008, 01:27:51 AM
I think it's stupid to dislike someone because they're fat.

That's like, the most shallowest shit in the world. Like extreme racism shit.

well, not every part of my personality is "deep."  p.s. weight =/= race.  and not wanting to be around morbidly obese people is more of a comfort thing.  also on the list-- people with halitosis, uncontrollable gas, people who don't wear deodorant or shower frequently enough to not have an aura of smell. 


Sumo wrestling is gonna fucking suck from here on out.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: xnikki118x on June 15, 2008, 01:31:07 AM
People with an active sporting life have to pay more tax because they are a greater health risk?  :lol

Yes, minor injuries are part of keeping fit and playing sports. But the long-term health gains far outweigh the short-term aches and pains. Every 65-yr old jogger is a 65-yr old NOT in a nursing home or in long-term hospital care.
Oh wow, they said that? I didn't read that part. People who are active are like, the ones we should look up to. If I passed a law like this it'd be geared toward the fat slobs who order pizza for dinner every night and don't move off the couch except to microwave something or get soda from the fridge next to them.
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Post by: demi on June 15, 2008, 04:54:06 AM
Yes... yes they should
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: brawndolicious on June 15, 2008, 05:08:21 AM
I think this approach to the argument has a nasty logical end, though.  If resources are truly to be distributed evenly, everyone should have to take a risk assessment every, I dunno, year or something to see what risk they present to the universal health care system.  People with an active sporting lifestyle would have to pay a tax since they are more at risk of broken limbs or torn muscles.  People who drive should have to pay an additional tax.  People who live in more dangerous parts of a city are also potential drains on the healthcare system... better toss an extra tax in there.

I'm not Japanese and I haven't lived in Japan all that long, but I know in my home and native land of Canada, the free healthcare is part of an overarching philosophy of mild socialism.  Canadians face brutal taxes, and that funds not just things like free healthcare but also the robust social assistance program and university subsidies.  Something like this wouldn't make any sense there as the system is already set up in such a way that the people who have their shit together have to pay for the people who don't. 

Government interference in the lives of private citizens ought to be kept to a minimum.
yeah, but having universal healthcare and having the secret police break in and burn your frozen pizzas on your lawn is a big leap.

When the government provides the healthcare, it makes sense for them to encourage, even through financial means, people to not choose to do things that are extremely unhealthy.  Being obese is unhealthy, and most of the time it's a choice so it should be something that the government does take some steps towards preventing.  The waistline measurement system is bullshit and taxing the employer is stupid but the eventual goal of this tax is good.  Things like personal transportation and exercise are essential in modern society.  Although it might sound too judgmental, a sin tax on obesity does make sense in a country with universal healthcare.  I agree that they are going about it in the wrong way though with how they consider people fat and how they get the tax.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2008, 07:07:51 AM
I don't see much wrong with taxing the employer, given that it's my employer who insists I sit at the same cubicle all day long. My body is essentially atrophying for 8 hrs a day. On top of the 8hrs I sleep, that's 2/3rds of my life that I'm barely moving. My company does provide good healthcare coverage and offers discount coupons for a local gym, but it could do a hell of a lot more to help me live a healthy life. Like give me some freakin' time during the day to go to the gym.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: brawndolicious on June 15, 2008, 07:27:35 AM
I once heard that some japanese companies have the employees do morning calisthenics so that's a step in the right direction.  Obviously that's not going to burn much and you'll still have hours and hours of sitting down but it's something.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 15, 2008, 08:09:13 AM
Quote from: George Orwell
smh
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: APF on June 15, 2008, 11:27:23 AM
A 65-year-old jogger could indeed be in long-term medical care--not only because having an active lifestyle doesn't inoculate you from suffering age-related ailments, disease, or illness, but also because the high-impact nature of running and jogging / similar activities causes havoc to your joints.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: xnikki118x on June 15, 2008, 09:35:08 PM
Yeah, but you can get new joints. Once your lungs and stuff start to go, you can't really replace those. I'd rather a 65-year-old healthy jogger than a 65-year-old obese smoker.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2008, 10:51:48 PM
APF -

You can't be in long-term medical care (meaning, in a hospital or old folks' home or similar) and simultaneously be jogging. How many folks do you see rise from a wheelchair for a brisk morning 5k? An 'active, sporting lifestyle' is no panacea but by no means is it something we should be discouraging because of minor injuries. The long-term savings are going to far outweigh the short-term costs.

Are you familar with the term 'organ reserve'? It's basically the capacity of our organs to handle stress. Dying of 'natural causes' is typically because of organ failure. Organ reserve correlates strongly with skeletal mass and lean muscle mass. The more exercise you do, the more you build up your bones (yup, lifting weights literally gives you bigger bones, since your body is responding to the stress of carrying the extra weight...hence the common fattie defence of being 'big-boned'), your muscle mass AND your organ reserve. Anyone who is taking regular exercise is on track to live longer on average than people who don't, and have a higher quality of life while doing so. They'll be getting up and walking around, picking up heavy stuff etc much longer than couch potatoes BECAUSE they get up, walk around and pick up heavy stuff right now. Any mentality that discourages people from being active and sporty now is working against our shared long-term health interests. I recognize that the original statement about this was intended to be satirical but it's still wrong-headed and uninformed.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2008, 10:53:00 PM
Yeah, but you can get new joints. Once your lungs and stuff start to go, you can't really replace those. I'd rather a 65-year-old healthy jogger than a 65-year-old obese smoker.

Jogging is indeed overly harsh on the joints. But doing the RIGHT exercise (squatting with weight, with proper form for example) is much better for your joints than doing nothing.
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: chronovore on June 16, 2008, 10:31:35 AM

I'll be pushing the extended lunch idea at work if the law comes in lol.


You and me both. The hours here don't allow for working out much; but they're keen if you're big on skipping dinner!
Title: Re: Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pi
Post by: APF on June 16, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
Yeah, but you can get new joints. Once your lungs and stuff start to go, you can't really replace those. I'd rather a 65-year-old healthy jogger than a 65-year-old obese smoker.

I'd rather be a 65-year-old healthy weight lifter who maybe did some interval workouts on the side ;)