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Post by: Borys on June 23, 2008, 09:06:19 AM
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Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2008, 09:16:00 AM
Because all true gentlemen know that math battles are where it's at.  Paint any coat over top of 'em, I'll eat 'em up.

ToS is really just a button mashin' "action" rpg, tho.  Replete with some of the worst, most cliched characters EVAR.  Note- I still kind of enjoyed it and interestingly enough am playing my 2nd playthrough now so I can fight some of the extra bosses.  :(

Fire Emblem is the best, tho.  Usually doesn't have a lame story and if it does it doesn't hurt you to skip it and just revel in the strategery and math.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2008, 09:27:12 AM
Little-known fact - I'm in the credits of this game  :D

Patel should be too, for his sins!
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Tieno on June 23, 2008, 09:53:30 AM
Never go to JAPAFAG RPGs in the first place! Like me! I'm scared shitless of these games every time I catch footage of it. So fucking weird.

Congrats on your wedding. Is he a console or a PC gamer?
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 23, 2008, 09:57:03 AM
Congrats on your wedding. Is he a console or a PC gamer?

 :lol :lol

Well played sir
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: tiesto on June 23, 2008, 09:57:41 AM
Does your fiancee like RPGs too, Borys?

My g/f doesn't play games at all. Like, not even oldskool NES games.  :-\
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2008, 10:19:23 AM
My ex-gf got way into mmorpgs of all things after I broke up with her.  Poor girl. 
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 23, 2008, 10:25:19 AM
I play videogames to have fun, thats probably it. Once a person figures out that playing Baldur's Gate isn't any 'cooler' just cause its a western rpg, they shrug off the chains of expectation and rejoice as they embrace MAGNA CARTA for ps2.







































haha just kidding, but seriously.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 23, 2008, 10:32:54 AM
I think it's because J-rpgs tend to have better character development and story presentation than western RPGs.  In many WRPGS, you kinda have to depend on your own imagination for those elements. 

The older I get, the harder I can tolerate JRPGS' little quirks.  I'm still stuck on Lost Odyssey's last 20% because I'm just sick of random encounters every 5 secs. 
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: tiesto on June 23, 2008, 10:34:19 AM
My ex-gf got way into mmorpgs of all things after I broke up with her.  Poor girl. 

My ex girlfriend got into Xenosaga and Kingdom hearts after I broke up with her... and eventually became a lesbian. Beat that! :P
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 23, 2008, 10:37:35 AM
I play videogames to have fun, thats probably it. Once a person figures out that playing Baldur's Gate isn't any 'cooler' just cause its a western rpg, they shrug off the chains of expectation and rejoice as they embrace MAGNA CARTA for ps2.

I've found hardcore JRPG fans to be much more agressively snobbish about JRPGS being superior than the other way around. 
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: tiesto on June 23, 2008, 10:38:18 AM
I play videogames to have fun, thats probably it. Once a person figures out that playing Baldur's Gate isn't any 'cooler' just cause its a western rpg, they shrug off the chains of expectation and rejoice as they embrace MAGNA CARTA for ps2.

I've found hardcore JRPG fans to be much more agressively snobbish about JRPGS being superior than the other way around. 

Guilty as charged...
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 23, 2008, 11:21:09 AM
Smooth: Thats only because its easier to find JRPG fans. What do you care, you don't even want gameplay just GPFHXXXXXXXXXXXX!
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Third on June 23, 2008, 11:22:45 AM
There's a hidden homosexual in all of us. I too love jrpg's. I don't show it to my friends though.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: tiesto on June 23, 2008, 11:23:54 AM
There's a hidden homosexual in all of us. I too love jrpg's. I don't show it to my friends though.

Why would you be ashamed to show your hobbies to your friends? Shouldn't your friends not care what you choose to do in your free time, provided it's within reason and not something like jerking off to cheeseburger porn or something.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 23, 2008, 11:26:35 AM
I think the last JRPG I played was Lunar Story 2: Lunar something or other on PS1 it was the cliched story that finally broke me. Anyway I have good memories of Chrono Cross as one of the last rpgs I played since it involved no grinding :bow2 but had all the other shitty JRPG elements.

I think it's because J-rpgs tend to have better character development and story presentation than western RPGs.  In many WRPGS, you kinda have to depend on your own imagination for those elements. 

The older I get, the harder I can tolerate JRPGS' little quirks.  I'm still stuck on Lost Odyssey's last 20% because I'm just sick of random encounters every 5 secs. 
I disagree with the first bit but I agree with the second.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 23, 2008, 11:27:30 AM
Bah.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 23, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
VP2 and Skies of Arcadia forever
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Third on June 23, 2008, 11:35:48 AM
There's a hidden homosexual in all of us. I too love jrpg's. I don't show it to my friends though.

Why would you be ashamed to show your hobbies to your friends? Shouldn't your friends not care what you choose to do in your free time, provided it's within reason and not something like jerking off to cheeseburger porn or something.

My friends like the typical EA Sport games and other shooters.

I was once playing FFX, a few friends came for a visit. There was no save point nearby otherwise I'd save the game and quit. So I did continue. They questioned me about the game. And then a cutscene started with a lot of drama in it. My friends laughed at me. They asked me why I play this crap. (pretty ironic considering they like NBA/Fifa Street)

I just don't like playing jrpg's when other people are around.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Fragamemnon on June 23, 2008, 11:42:47 AM
The older I get, the harder I can tolerate JRPGS' little quirks.  I'm still stuck on Lost Odyssey's last 20% because I'm just sick of random encounters every 5 secs. 

Since about 2002 or so I've tried to play through about five or so of the stat-heavy "niche" console strategy/party-based RPGs from Japan and just cannot do it. I should like them, but I think it's a combination of A) gaming on consoles feels weird to me now since I've been playing games on my PC almost exclusively for years now and B) a lot of the time I have to sit through a bunch of linear, no-option dialogue and other non-interactive elements for a significant portion of time, which drives me nuts.

I'd rather play a game sort of like X-COM (or its more recent derviatives after modding), ToEE or Jagged Alliance 2 than the strategy RPGs-more strategy, more "meat" to the game, and if I want an story RPG I always go back to the D&D games since they offer larger party customization and dialogue choices to keep me involved in how the story develops. As a bonus, it means less ridiculously over the top JRPG story wankery, and more Western style pulp fantasy fiction-a choice that definitely meets my tastes more.

Not that I play a RPG more than once per quarter or so at best. I pretty much spend all my time with strategy games and their allies these days.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 23, 2008, 11:43:58 AM
VP2 and SoA, at the very least play those at some point
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Fragamemnon on June 23, 2008, 11:51:28 AM
VP2 and SoA, at the very least play those at some point

I played SOA back on the Dreamcast, no need to revisit that.

I always wished a decent CRPG team could dredge up the rights to the old Spelljammer license and create ship battles as part of the game mechanic (but in a way with more detail and nuance than SOA's system).

As for VP2, I rented it and got assaulted by some monstrous cutscene at the start of the game. No thanks!
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 23, 2008, 11:55:06 AM
Its not that long a cutscene! JEEZE

youre seriously missing out
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Darunia on June 23, 2008, 11:58:09 AM
and you're not even playing the right japafag rpg's
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MCD on June 23, 2008, 11:59:56 AM
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin is not a jrpg.

and it's pretty good.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Fragamemnon on June 23, 2008, 12:07:43 PM
Its not that long a cutscene! JEEZE

youre seriously missing out

by what standards? Metal Gear Solid 4?  (speaking of which, I saw an in-store kiosk 10 minute or so video for the game and it looked as awful as I had envisioned). I remember that cutscene going and going, though I can say it wasn't as bad as that VP1 intro.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 23, 2008, 12:08:37 PM
My ex-gf got way into mmorpgs of all things after I broke up with her.  Poor girl. 

My ex girlfriend got into Xenosaga and Kingdom hearts after I broke up with her... and eventually became a lesbian. Beat that! :P

oh, I'm beating it, alright
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: demi on June 23, 2008, 01:08:21 PM
because they're better than the common FPS and RTS
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Himu on June 23, 2008, 01:17:25 PM
I play videogames to have fun, thats probably it. Once a person figures out that playing Baldur's Gate isn't any 'cooler' just cause its a western rpg, they shrug off the chains of expectation and rejoice as they embrace MAGNA CARTA for ps2.

I've found hardcore JRPG fans to be much more agressively snobbish about JRPGS being superior than the other way around. 

And it's the only genre they play;etc.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2008, 01:28:52 PM
The battle systems, leveling, and great soundtracks. An interesting story is a plus.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 23, 2008, 01:36:24 PM
Frag: you are SOOO missing out. VP2 is like, my favorite PS2 game
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Himu on June 23, 2008, 01:36:52 PM
They're fun. I dunno. They make my dick hard. Favorite genre.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2008, 01:48:05 PM
I wish they all had battle systems as fun as Grandia 3.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: tiesto on June 23, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
My ex-gf got way into mmorpgs of all things after I broke up with her.  Poor girl. 

My ex girlfriend got into Xenosaga and Kingdom hearts after I broke up with her... and eventually became a lesbian. Beat that! :P

oh, I'm beating it, alright

Hate to disappoint you, but she was Polish and blonde, not Asian!!!  :-*
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Rman on June 23, 2008, 02:00:18 PM
Um...they're fun.  I love JRPGs but my backlog of JRPGs is huge, tho.  Too many games too little time yada yada yada.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MoxManiac on June 23, 2008, 08:05:18 PM
Its not that long a cutscene! JEEZE

youre seriously missing out

by what standards? Metal Gear Solid 4?  (speaking of which, I saw an in-store kiosk 10 minute or so video for the game and it looked as awful as I had envisioned). I remember that cutscene going and going, though I can say it wasn't as bad as that VP1 intro.


VP1 is awesome frag, long winded intro be damned!
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Eric P on June 23, 2008, 08:09:22 PM
i'm downloading Baldur's Gate 2 from Gametap to see if now, 10 years later, i can find the magic that so many others saw from the start



i'm guessing "no"

in which case it's off to Grandia 2!
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2008, 08:25:24 PM
I wish they all had battle systems as fun as Grandia 3.

Grandia 3 is fun in boss battles, but most of the time it's so easy you're just wasting your time with the more complex stuff. I got about 2/3rds through it and quit due to the endless string of meaningless random encounters. There are only so many hours of hitting A I can take these days, even if lots of exciting stuff happens on screen when i hit it....
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Don Flamenco on June 23, 2008, 08:41:34 PM
I dunno, but I just returned home with FFVI Advance and I'm working on TWEWY, DDS2, and PErsona 3 FES (probably won't finish FES though...shit is too long and too repetitive, though it's also very good, which is a shame.)
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: pilonv1 on June 23, 2008, 09:25:20 PM
I think the math battle is part of it, but there's also a part of me that sometimes wants to have my hand held rather than be thrown into a world where I don't know what I want to do.

I can't play J-ARPGS though. Maybe it's because I'm getting older but I prefer turn based RPGs. And even then only if they have interesting battle systems.

Nothing will ever beat Grandia 2 for battle systems.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2008, 09:26:06 PM
I don't remember having any serious problems at the beginning of disc 2. My magic game was sick. 8)

Grandia 3 should've had a new game plus type of thing. I'd play it again if I could choose a higher difficulty.

Nothing will ever beat Grandia 2 for battle systems.
Grandia 3 already did. ???
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: pilonv1 on June 23, 2008, 09:44:08 PM
i never got to play 3 :(
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Shuri on June 23, 2008, 09:46:24 PM
I want to get into rpgs, but outside of those SMT games, I just cant get into those happy disney land j-rpgs.. I love w-jpgs simply because they are darker. I don't mean 'more matoor' but damn, I don't feel like an idiot playing them.

Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2008, 10:18:34 PM
i never got to play 3 :(
If I was well off like Drinky/MAF, I'd buy you a copy. :(
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Himu on June 23, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
grandia got topped a long time ago with VP2, SMT3:N, DDS1+2, Persona 3, BOFV battle systems.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2008, 10:44:31 PM
Quiet Himuro. I don't even remember you saying that you played Grandia 2 or 3.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Himu on June 23, 2008, 11:01:17 PM
Quiet Himuro. I don't even remember you saying that you played Grandia 2 or 3.

I've played Grandia 1 and 2, but not 3.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Himu on June 23, 2008, 11:05:46 PM
grandia 1 > grandia 2

as far as i've heard, that series has gotten worse and worse as time goes by. haven't played x-treme or 3 but x-treme sounds appealing since it's a dungeon crawler, a unique at that.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2008, 11:08:27 PM
grandia 1 > grandia 2
Not it's battle system.

grandia got topped a long time ago with VP2, SMT3:N, DDS1+2, Persona 3, BOFV battle systems.
You sir are correct.
:maf
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: demi on June 24, 2008, 12:26:29 AM
I want to get into rpgs, but outside of those SMT games, I just cant get into those happy disney land j-rpgs.. I love w-jpgs simply because they are darker. I don't mean 'more matoor' but damn, I don't feel like an idiot playing them.



insecure total
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Bildi on June 24, 2008, 12:59:38 AM
"Us"?  Speak for yourself!

I for one am totally over both Square's and Namco's characters and therefore am over their japafag RPGs.

Lost Odyssey's characters on the other hand...  :heart
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: The Sceneman on June 24, 2008, 01:40:08 AM
I play videogames to have fun, thats probably it. Once a person figures out that playing Baldur's Gate isn't any 'cooler' just cause its a western rpg, they shrug off the chains of expectation and rejoice as they embrace MAGNA CARTA for ps2.

I've found hardcore JRPG fans to be much more agressively snobbish about JRPGS being superior than the other way around. 

Guilty as charged...

cosigned
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MrAngryFace on June 24, 2008, 01:56:08 AM
VP2 battlesystem is so sweet, all of it is awesome. PS2 game of the ever
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Himu on June 24, 2008, 02:06:44 AM
VP2 battlesystem is so sweet, all of it is awesome. PS2 game of the ever

and the dungeons omg
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: MoxManiac on June 24, 2008, 07:45:41 AM
grandia 1 > grandia 2

as far as i've heard, that series has gotten worse and worse as time goes by. haven't played x-treme or 3 but x-treme sounds appealing since it's a dungeon crawler, a unique at that.

Xtreme is fun as long as you don't claw your own eyes out from the annoying VA and terrible characters. But gameplay wise it's by far the best Grandia.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2008, 08:01:56 AM
VP2 battlesystem is so sweet, all of it is awesome. PS2 game of the ever

BoF: DQ > VP2.  Just barely, but it's truuuuueee.
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Crushed on June 24, 2008, 12:01:05 PM
Only one Japafag RPG for ADULTS!

(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q27/zenexplosion/pokemon151.jpg)

:bow
Title: Re: What makes us go back to japafag RPGs?
Post by: Tauntaun on June 24, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
YOU MUST OBEY!

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4586/sephiroth8jy.jpg)