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Title: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: TVC15 on July 03, 2008, 04:27:12 AM: I'm not even being silly or joking here. Ocarina of Time isn't a very good game. Gaming reviewers and magazines are just that shit. I would rather follow the arrows of PDZ than experience the unequivocally embarrassing overworld of OoT again. OoT also had terrible dungeons and was an incredibly ugly, blurry game. Brave Fencer Musashi on the PS1 was better looking and better playing, and it still is today.

Anyone that thinks OoT was a decent game is a completely blinded ntard.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: The Sceneman on July 03, 2008, 04:37:04 AM: I am 100% behind this thread. I havent even played PDZ but OoT is suuuuuuuch overrated tripe its ridiculous. The overworld is about as big as the police station in Resident Evil 2, scale wise. Best game ever my fucking ass. If anyone tries defending this major dated sack of shit Im willing to sell my car and ride Amtrak to where you are, and shit in your mouth
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: brawndolicious on July 03, 2008, 04:48:15 AM: I personally never knew of a single person in real life who thought OoT was a technical or storytelling marvel. Fun game though. Most all the gameplay mechanics did work niceley and you did have a huge number of gadgets which was kind of nice for a 3D action game at the time. The game did get it's balls sucked by reviewers but you can't say that you wouldn't play through it if it had achievements.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Jabberwocky on July 03, 2008, 04:57:38 AM: To each his own. OoT is my favorite game. Nearly everything about the game is incredibly solid, save the many glitches which don't even hamper gameplay.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: TVC15 on July 03, 2008, 04:59:12 AM: and the horrendous overworld that you spend like half the game on and is basically completely empty.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Jabberwocky on July 03, 2008, 05:01:16 AM: That's another beautiful thing about the game - it's riddled with secrets. The "overworld" seems completely empty at first site, but there are many secrets in it as well as the many other areas of the game. The amount of goodies hidden throughout the game is probably my favorite aspect.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: MCD on July 03, 2008, 05:02:25 AM: Quote from: Nitro on July 03, 2008, 05:01:16 AM
That's another beautiful thing about the game - it's riddled with secrets. The "overworld" seems completely empty at first site, but there are many secrets in it as well as the many other areas of the game. The amount of goodies hidden throughout the game is probably my favorite aspect.
holes with shitty items?
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: TVC15 on July 03, 2008, 05:05:04 AM: Nah, the overworld is basically completely empty. It's not int he same league as the SNES Zelda game. OoT was a disappointment in all regards, magazines just had their heads in the clouds, which is probably more vident today than when it came out. OoT is a 7/10, tops, even when considering its release date. It is a mediocre game, at best.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 03, 2008, 05:24:07 AM: btw, serious question: did teh z-targetting and the 3rd person sword controls all originate from Oot, or did N ripped it off someone els?
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: TVC15 on July 03, 2008, 05:27:56 AM: Quote from: laesperanzapaz on July 03, 2008, 05:24:07 AM
btw, serious question: did teh z-targetting and the 3rd person sword controls all originate from Oot, or did N ripped it off someone els?

I think there may be a precursor or two, but OoT gets the credit. I'm not going to bitch about that. Even if it weren't the innovator, it did popularize the technique.

I think the only truly good (as in memorable after completing the game) is the Forest Temple. The Wtaer Temple is memorable, but not in a good way. I won't say it had bad dungeon design or anything, but it certainly did not have good, memorable dungeon design. OoT was the first place where it became blatantly obvious that Zelda without a jump button was just distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: MCD on July 03, 2008, 06:26:42 AM: [youtube=425,350]8BLX8gPU7bA[/youtube]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8BLX8gPU7bA
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: MCD on July 03, 2008, 07:22:13 AM: Quote from: Kosma on July 03, 2008, 07:10:52 AM
Man did you puke out your brains the other day or what?
he's dying, let him talk.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: pilonv1 on July 03, 2008, 07:23:28 AM: Quote from: TVC 15 on July 03, 2008, 04:59:12 AM
and the horrendous overworld that you spend like half the game on and is basically completely empty.

thats why i stopped playing half way through
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: tiesto on July 03, 2008, 10:14:09 AM: Ocarina of Time was a great game, but most definitely overrated... Now I played through it 5 years after the release so the "magic" was undoubtedly lost on me, but some things in it were really cool - some of the dungeons and puzzles, and the ambient music in the dungeons. Overall, I liked Twilight Princess much better.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: duckman2000 on July 03, 2008, 10:25:14 AM: Zelda games post-NES are pretty shit in general. TWW was at least very, very pretty, and imaginative. The others don't even have that.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Don Flamenco on July 03, 2008, 10:51:58 AM: Quote from: Nitro on July 03, 2008, 05:01:16 AM
That's another beautiful thing about the game - it's riddled with secrets. The "overworld" seems completely empty at first site, but there are many secrets in it as well as the many other areas of the game. The amount of goodies hidden throughout the game is probably my favorite aspect.

I haven't played all the way through OoT (I slept through the last half of the PS1/N64 gen), but the "secrets" in Twilight Princess were coins that I couldn't keep because of the money cap. It was fun discovering stuff, but after about 30 hours, everything in the game rang hollow to me.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Eric P on July 03, 2008, 11:21:44 AM: Quote from: TVC 15 on July 03, 2008, 04:27:12 AM
Brave Fencer Musashi on the PS1 was better looking and better playing, and it still is today.

loved BFM, couldn't even be assed to finish the first dungeon with the tree in OoT.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2008, 11:22:39 AM: I played OoT again and beat it [for the first time, no less] about two years ago and it was still amazing. Haters go back to their Hazes and their Daikatanas or whatever games they think are awesome but really aren't because they are stupid.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 03, 2008, 11:25:11 AM: Quote from: duckman2000 on July 03, 2008, 10:25:14 AM
Zelda games post-NES are pretty shit in general. TWW was at least very, very pretty, and imaginative. The others don't even have that.

Surely you mean post-SNES.

Zelda is my favorite series, but the 3-d incarnations can't hope to match what Zelda 1 innovated and Zelda 3 perfected. The GB Zeldas are all pretty great as well. Oot was fun but even as a Zelda whore I felt the game was lacking. I can only imagine how poorly it's aged, I wouldn't try to play it now.

I'd play Majora's Mask because I've never beaten it. Currently I'm playing through Twilight Princess, enjoying it very much. I think I might be stuck, though. Maybe I was just tired last night.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Tucah on July 03, 2008, 11:26:13 AM: I liked OoT, but I can't say that it's my favorite Zelda game, TWW has it beat for 3D Zeldas, and the Oracle games/LA are my favorite Zelda games.

However,

:bow Mushashi :bow2

Really fun game, used to love it.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Eric P on July 03, 2008, 11:32:28 AM: minishcap is the best zelda
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: TVC15 on July 03, 2008, 12:50:31 PM: The PS2 Musashi is crap :( I was hoping reviewers were just being twats again, but that game is legitimately OoT bad.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Don Flamenco on July 03, 2008, 01:02:20 PM: They should make a game called Brendan Frasier Musashi. You could play through his various roles-- the Jewish guy in that one movie where he gets made fun of for being Jewish, Encino Man, Mummy. It would be awesome.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Tucah on July 03, 2008, 01:12:49 PM: Quote from: Kranz Fafka on July 03, 2008, 01:02:20 PM
They should make a game called Brendan Frasier Musashi. You could play through his various roles-- the Jewish guy in that one movie where he gets made fun of for being Jewish, Encino Man, Mummy. It would be awesome.

It could end with his role in Scrubs, where
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he finally dies at the end of the game.
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Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 03, 2008, 01:21:55 PM: That episode messed with my head.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Himu on July 03, 2008, 01:24:30 PM: OoT is a great game. Wind Waker is a great game. Twilight Princess is a great game.

Perfect Dark Zero I haven't played.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Oblivion on July 03, 2008, 03:02:38 PM: You're off my Christmas card list, TVC. :'(
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Tauntaun on July 03, 2008, 03:21:01 PM: I remember playing the original Zelda on NES, thinking it was garbage and never looking back.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Bloodwake on July 03, 2008, 03:23:37 PM: This thread is concrete proof that this forum is fucking insane.

PDZ is a fucking disgrace.

I would write more, but there's no use. Fucking rename this gaming forum "The Loony Bin" and get it over with.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: laesperanzapaz on July 03, 2008, 03:37:54 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on July 03, 2008, 05:27:56 AM
Quote from: laesperanzapaz on July 03, 2008, 05:24:07 AM
btw, serious question: did teh z-targetting and the 3rd person sword controls all originate from Oot, or did N ripped it off someone els?

I think there may be a precursor or two, but OoT gets the credit. I'm not going to bitch about that. Even if it weren't the innovator, it did popularize the technique.

I think the only truly good (as in memorable after completing the game) is the Forest Temple. The Wtaer Temple is memorable, but not in a good way. I won't say it had bad dungeon design or anything, but it certainly did not have good, memorable dungeon design. OoT was the first place where it became blatantly obvious that Zelda without a jump button was just distinguished mentally-challenged.

1. oh yea, i forgot to ask: is the auto jump a Oot invention as well, or is it ripped off?

2. you fucking dumb. Zelda with manual jump would ruin it for me. THe only Zelda game that had any jump button is that 2nd 2-d zelda, and Link awakening...two very overrated, rather shit zeldas. THis aint mario, bitch!
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: demi on July 03, 2008, 03:43:15 PM: Quote from: Eric P on July 03, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
minishcap is the best zelda

negative, smoke some more
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Don Flamenco on July 03, 2008, 03:53:55 PM: Quote from: Bloodwake on July 03, 2008, 03:23:37 PM
This thread is concrete proof that this forum is fucking insane.

PDZ is a fucking disgrace.

I would write more, but there's no use. Fucking rename this gaming forum "The Loony Bin" and get it over with.

Whatever, PDZ is fucking awesome. I love that fucking game.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 03, 2008, 03:58:02 PM: auto jump sucks and takes me out of the action

Not being able to control my camera the way I want in TP Wii is making me wish I had the Gamecube version. I'll pick that up if I ever see it under $20.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: The Sceneman on July 03, 2008, 04:04:05 PM: I can honestly say that the only 3d Zelda (hell any Zelda period) Ive enjoyed is Wind Waker. Such a terrible, bland, overrated franchise. Wind Waker looked great and had a lot of interesting ideas.
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Himu on July 03, 2008, 05:07:20 PM: wtf

did someone in this thread say links awakening is overrated and shit?
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 03, 2008, 05:25:33 PM: Anyone who has a problem with any of the 2-d Zeldas (including Zelda II) has a problem with me :maf
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Oblivion on July 03, 2008, 05:54:00 PM: Alright, time for some straight up ballin REAL TALK up in dis bitch!

I'm a huge OoT fanboy, and I can agree with many of the complaints. But terrible dungeons? Wtf, nicca? I can understand the water temple being frustrating to some people, but the Forest, Shadow and Spirit Temples rocked HARD. Heck, the most irritating aspect of the water temple was the fact that you needed to switch items a lot. But hell, that didn't seem to be too much of an issue with any Gameboy games, where you're constantly switching all the damn time. So other than that, yeah that too was a pretty well designed dungeon.

Also, you can't fault reviewers for praising the game at the time. I mean, it was the first Zelda that appeared in 3D and it made the transition almost flawlessly (talking mechanics wise here, peeps). I can understand how people hate OoT's overworld, but again, at the time, Hyrule Field was very impressive. Nowadays, I would like it if the game did have more enemies and stuff, but back then I didn't care to pay attention to that, as did most people.

So aside from these minor issues, OoT nailed everything else pretty well. Including PACING, one thing that latter Zeldas seem to have difficulty in grasping.

Oh, and regarding LA. I certainly wouldn't say it's anywhere near a bad game (it's great, of course), but I do think it's overrated in the sense that the difficulty and length of the dungeons aren't 'that' much- if at all- more difficult than LttP's. Also, the overworld of LttP never once bothered me either so that's another irrelevent aspect of LA.

Ah, yet another lunch break which I use to respond to messageboard posts rather than actually eat. THANKS A LOT ASSHOLES!

Quote from: Eric P on July 03, 2008, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on July 03, 2008, 04:27:12 AM
Brave Fencer Musashi on the PS1 was better looking and better playing, and it still is today.

loved BFM, couldn't even be assed to finish the first dungeon with the tree in OoT.

Et tu, Eric? I thought we was bros, g. :'(
Title: Re: Perfect Dark Zero > ZOoT
Post by: Eric P on July 03, 2008, 05:56:43 PM: Quote

loved BFM, couldn't even be assed to finish the first dungeon with the tree in OoT.

Et tu, Eric? I thought we was bros, g. :'(
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oh yes

but this is the civil war

bros against bros!