Was the suicide scene from the trailer anywhere in the final game? I don't remember seeing it at all after having completed it.Yep, at the cemetery. He puts the gun in his mouth and then the camera goes to the sky and you hear the gun go off. Then after the credits you see he hasn't shot himself.
isn't the otacon ending meant to be homoerotic and embarrassing? if you can't put up with a little thumb torture, he's your meryl
Yep, at the cemetery. He puts the gun in his mouth and then the camera goes to the sky and you hear the gun go off. Then after the credits you see he hasn't shot himself.
Yeah, not in the same location. Just as Raiden's battle with the Geckos wasn't either, or Naomi's facial shot.Quoteisn't the otacon ending meant to be homoerotic and embarrassing? if you can't put up with a little thumb torture, he's your meryl
Wow, nowadays you can't make beautiful allegories about the value and beauty of friendship between two guys without having to deal with a ton of blood thirsty people who seek faggotry in everything. Come on. ::)QuoteYep, at the cemetery. He puts the gun in his mouth and then the camera goes to the sky and you hear the gun go off. Then after the credits you see he hasn't shot himself.
I'm pretty sure I remember that, but then it wasn't in the same location as in the trailer?
CANON.I know. Honest mistake, grammar cop.
Cannon is something that you shoot things with.
funny that he commented on the MGS1 ending...I didn't find it homoerotic, but both Hayter and the VA for Otacon both sounded so uncomfortable when they were laughing at that dumb joke.DAVE AND HAL, THAT'S A GOOD ONE LET'S RIDE THIS SNOWMOBILE TO JUPITER
are there MGS4 spoilers in thisNo. Actually he brings up valid criticisms that have plagued this series since MGS1.
I think David hayter thinks he's more important than he actually is
One of the things that makes Snake so awesome is that the player can identify with the character (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11849736&postcount=170)
Yeah, I really feel I can identify with a genetic super-soldier who fights terrorists and saves the world.
MASTER CHIEF! (though he saves the galaxy)QuoteOne of the things that makes Snake so awesome is that the player can identify with the character (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11849736&postcount=170)
Yeah, I really feel I can identify with a genetic super-soldier who fights terrorists and saves the world.
"If Snake had shot himself, we wouldn't have had that amazing wonderful Big Boss scene!"
:rofl :rofl :rofl
does that make him important? because i thought many criticisms were already out there and voiced by tons of people.are there MGS4 spoilers in thisNo. Actually he brings up valid criticisms that have plagued this series since MGS1.
I think David hayter thinks he's more important than he actually is
Everyone,
Apparently, the people at 1up dot com have taken some of the things I jokingly said at the Anime Expo 08 panel and made it sound like I had problems with the Metal Gear series and Mr. Kojima's work.
This is patently ridiculous. I love those games immensely and have nothing but massive respect for Mr. Kojima. I did mention one disagreement I had regarding the climax of the game, a question of character, but this is just par for the course when many people work on the same piece.
Anyway, I'm sure I don't have to remind any of you out there, but please don't take half the stuff you read on-line seriously.
Thanks,
David Hayter
It's like his bicycle is going backwards.
He didn't say anything he needs to apologize for. He mentioned one or two things he didn't like while gushing over the series and the crazy-distinguished mentally-challenged MGS fanbase all but firebombed his house over it.
It's like his bicycle is going backwards.he didn't apologize or retract anything he said. he said 1up sensationalized his comments.
He didn't say anything he needs to apologize for. He mentioned one or two things he didn't like while gushing over the series and the crazy-distinguished mentally-challenged MGS fanbase all but firebombed his house over it.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0371684/board/thread/111118811?d=111156459&p=1#111156459It's like his bicycle is going backwards.he didn't apologize or retract anything he said. he said 1up sensationalized his comments.
He didn't say anything he needs to apologize for. He mentioned one or two things he didn't like while gushing over the series and the crazy-distinguished mentally-challenged MGS fanbase all but firebombed his house over it.
I tend to think of that as the modern business equivalent of an apology or retraction. I wouldn't expect anyone who wants to keep getting work in the entertainment business to actually take responsibility for things they say.
For what it's worth, I believe he's actually responding to an imdb forum post that amusingly enough put words in the mouth of the 1up story.
Hey jerk-off,
I'm not sure what the f you're talking about. But I have nothing but immense respect for the games, the character, and most of all, for Mr. Kojima himself, whom I consider a friend and mentor.
I love Metal Gear 4. Someone at a panel asked me if I ever disagreed with anything in the games, and I did say that I objected to Snake's hands shaking, as he put the gun barrel in his mouth, as I did not think it was worthy of a flawless warrior like Snake, who has killed so many, to quail when it was actually time to off himself. I argued that if Snake had decided to commit suicide, he would calmly put the gun in his mouth and be done with it.
In short, try to get the real story -- instead of misreading internet quotes out of context -- before shooting off your idiot mouth.
Consider yourself off my Christmas list,
David Hayter
That sounds (also) more like a response to the fanboy in the thread going off on the article and seeing any criticism of a particular aspect as 'hate' of the whole thing.right. but he addresses the article itself seperately in another thread. two different responses to two different issues.
"David Hayter Critical of Some MGS Moments"
A fair enough title, I suppose. But, reading the article, I got steadily more infuriated. It's not that Mr. Fitch misquoted me, exactly -- I don't believe that he did -- but the tone of the article seemed to suggest (to me, anyway, and obviously to the young lad quoted above) that I had serious misgivings about Mr. Kojima's artistic choices, or that I was somehow resentful of having to perform them.
Nothing could be further from the truth, or a more ridiculous misinterpretation of my true feelings. And I said as much on the "David Hayter" IMDB message boards.
My post was answered by the following post, from the 1up.com News Editor, Philip Kollar:
"Hey, all, this is Philip Kollar, the news editor for 1UP.com. For those wondering, the story Dave is referencing is located here.
"I strongly urge that everyone read the story carefully and note that we didn't actually blow anything out of proportion here, even if other sites or forum posters referencing our article may have. The headline is the rather tame "David Hayter Critical of Some MGS Moments," and nowhere in the article do we suggest that David dislikes the narrative of the series as a whole or does not respect Kojima in any way.
"... I just want it to be clear that we certainly weren't attempting to take quotes out of context just to get attention. The writer we had covering this panel is as straight-laced and trustworthy as they come; he'd never toy with the facts just to create false drama."
Fair enough. I appreciated Mr. Kollar's input, and I will take his word regarding Mr. Fitch's intentions.
That said, I have written below, a few lines from the article that I took grave exception with, and my responses to them...
-- The article states, "David Hayter... admitted to being frustrated at times with... Hideo Kojima's over-the-top scriptwriting and direction." I don't believe I used the word "frustrated," and the description of Mr. Kojima's work as being "over-the-top" is entirely Mr. Fitch's wording, not my own. I believe Mr. Kojima to be a true genius, and I regard his artistic choices as sacrosanct and entirely justified in every sense. It is his game, his world, and if he says that Otacon and Snake ride off into the sunset together, then that is the exact, right choice.
-- "Hayter revealed that wasn't the first time he's had issues with the Metal Gear scripts... and the actors had a 'tough time' getting through the alternate ending of MGS." I disagree that this qualified as having an "issue" with the script (let alone issue(s), with the script(s), plural), as the "tough time" we had involved Christopher Randolph (Otacon) and I getting through the scene without breaking into uncontrollable giggling.
--- Mr. Fitch also referred to the scene as "Unintentionally homoerotic" and followed that up with my quote, "It was just humiliating." I couldn't find the direct quote, but I believe what I actually said was "Well, that's humiliating..." as a joke. This would not be big deal, except that some people have conflated the two phrases into meaning that I am Homophobic. Let me say, here and now, that that is the most ridiculous, and untrue, and personally offensive, thing ever said about me. I have nothing but love for the gay community (and pretty much every community, in principle). And if I were homophobic, I would be forced to stop hanging out with roughly 53.5% of my very closest friends. I work in show business, people... I know (and like, and respect) more gay people than I do straight people.
If I can clear up one gross misconception from this mess, please let it be that.
Finally, Mr. Fitch wrote, "With Sony seemingly intent on making a Metal Gear Solid movie -- with Hayter petitioning to write the script..." This is also untrue. I was contacted by an industrious young man, whose name I believe is Alexander Rogen (though that may be a mangling of his real and internet names), asking me how he could get the powers-that-be to agree to let me write the script. I told him that it was Sony's decision, and he undertook it himself (Alexander is 13 years old), to begin an online petition, asking for signatures in support of that. As I told everyone at the panel, I had pitched a Metal Gear movie outline to the MGS producers a few months back, and they opted not to hire me. That is a choice they are entirely free to make. I am not, nor will I ever be, "petitioning" anyone to hire me for anything. I am not suffering for screenwriting offers. I just thought I had something to offer that particular film, given my peculiar history. If someone else writes the film, then I wish him or her nothing but success. I want to see a good MGS film as much as any fan.
Look... I am not calling out Mr. Fitch. He wrote a fine article with many valid points. I just felt that the tone of the article might have been a little more inflammatory than the intention of the actual comments themselves. Given my afore-mentioned acerbic delivery, I take equal responsibility for that interpretation.
It's like his bicycle is going backwards.he didn't apologize or retract anything he said. he said 1up sensationalized his comments.
He didn't say anything he needs to apologize for. He mentioned one or two things he didn't like while gushing over the series and the crazy-distinguished mentally-challenged MGS fanbase all but firebombed his house over it.
I tend to think of that as the modern business equivalent of an apology or retraction. I wouldn't expect anyone who wants to keep getting work in the entertainment business to actually take responsibility for things they say.
For what it's worth, I believe he's actually responding to an imdb forum post that amusingly enough put words in the mouth of the 1up story.