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Title: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 11, 2008, 02:53:18 AM
http://www.avclub.com/content/cinema/hellboy_ii_the_golden_army

They also compare it to 12 Angry Men and say that it has the best rape scene since Straw Dogs.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 11, 2008, 02:57:00 AM
I see what you did there.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 11, 2008, 03:02:16 AM
Don't you have some big hard cocks to be sucking?
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 03:13:18 AM
Im gunna watch me sum batman begins bluray tomorrow night methinks
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 03:22:48 AM
I wanna see both, but I wanna see hellboy more cause it'll make me laugh more than batman, a movie with a clown.


Clowns aren't funny.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: EvilBoris on July 11, 2008, 03:24:02 AM
 your avatar kinda looks like the new joker
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 11, 2008, 03:27:25 AM
Random Guy: "Its Hellboy, damn your ugly"

~Later on~

New Random Guy: "HEY ITS HELLBOY!"

Hellboy: "I know, I know, I'm ugly"

MOvies gonna rock
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: drozmight on July 11, 2008, 03:30:21 AM
In this movie, Batman should cannibalize The Joker in order to gain his superior acting ability.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 03:34:59 AM
He could probably just cannibalize the character from A Knight's Tale, I mean since he's such a good actor.

edit: Or wuz, am i rite.

Seriously, I guess all it takes is to make a movie where youre gay then die in a DC Comics movie.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: JustinP on July 11, 2008, 03:37:38 AM
wait, did some of you actually enjoy the first hellboy? 
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 03:38:38 AM
I liked the part where he made jokes and hit stuff
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 11, 2008, 03:39:00 AM
wait, did some of you actually enjoy the first hellboy? 

smh
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 11, 2008, 03:39:10 AM
wait, did some of you actually enjoy the first hellboy? 

I wouldn't say it's a great movie, but it's an entertaining popcorn flick, and better than Batman Begins.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 11, 2008, 03:40:12 AM
Del Toro :bow

The Hobbit is going to fucking rock
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 03:40:21 AM
lolz trollz
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: EvilBoris on July 11, 2008, 04:50:07 AM
 It would do Bale some good to 'cannibalize' a knight's tale or something of its essence... where mischief or a glint of silliness could build his rep away from the cheerless characters he plays with similar solemn pauses.

 what's up next for him.... he's playing a fed, a 'last hope' army leader in an apocalyptic setting , and another fed

 :gloomy

 
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2008, 07:28:49 AM
i think i'll see hellboy this weekend even though i didn't really like the first one
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Ganhyun on July 11, 2008, 08:36:46 AM
I wanna go see this, but can this week... I'm on call for after hours at work and it would suck to go to see this and then have to leave.. :(
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2008, 09:15:37 AM
It would do Bale some good to 'cannibalize' a knight's tale or something of its essence... where mischief or a glint of silliness could build his rep away from the cheerless characters he plays with similar solemn pauses.

 what's up next for him.... he's playing a fed, a 'last hope' army leader in an apocalyptic setting , and another fed

 :gloomy

While I agree that Bale tends to the morose, it's not like he's incapable of what you're talking about.  Remember that he was Patrick fucking Bateman, you know.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2008, 09:59:47 AM
the nyt review was also excellent

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By A. O. SCOTT
Published: July 11, 2008

There are moments in “Hellboy 2: The Golden Army,” Guillermo del Toro’s profligate sequel to “Hellboy,” capable of delighting even the most jaded, comic-book-weary summer-blockbuster conscript. (That would be me.) Lately we have seen plenty of big, asphalt-smashing street battles between hero and nemesis — Tim Roth and Edward Norton, hopped up on military growth hormones, hurling cars across Harlem in “The Incredible Hulk”; Charlize Theron and Will Smith enacting some kind of meteorological superhero S & M in “Hancock” — but nothing quite like the scene in which Ron Perlman’s Hellboy, a baby in one hand and an oversize gun in the other, mixes it up with a giant, angry plant.

What makes that sequence memorable is not just the visual audacity of the stunts and effects, but also the weird animist vibe that the photosynthesizing fiend gives off. He might have sprung from the pastoral imagination of the Japanese animator Hayao Miyazaki, if Mr. Miyazaki’s environmentalism inclined him toward anger rather than sorrow. And even after Hellboy carries out a necessary and brutal pruning, a moment of mourning is permitted. That raging vine, after all, was the last of an endangered species.

Which is not to say that “Hellboy 2” is exactly, or primarily, an ecological allegory, though it does have some twinklings of green consciousness amid all the red- and gold-hued mayhem. There is just too much else going on to single out any particular theme or mood, which is part of the movie’s charm and also, sometimes, a source of exasperation.

Mr. Perlman, painted bright red and outfitted with sawed-off horns and an extra-large fist, is happy to ignore the trappings of digital-era cinematic splendor and act like the cigar-chomping hero of an old black-and-white B picture. The script (and the comics by Mike Mignola that are the movies’ source) may identify the character as a demon exiled from the underworld, but as a movie archetype Hellboy is more like the gruff sergeant or the cynical gumshoe, with a soft heart, naturally, beating under the hard shell. In Mr. Perlman’s performance you catch glimpses of Bogey and Lee Marvin and hints of Robert Mitchum and George Kennedy, all blended with devilish glee and disarmingly sexy sincerity.

And the movie itself is similarly easygoing in its eclecticism. The story is a happy hodgepodge of bantering humor and portentous metaphysics, packing a remarkable range of moods and genre elements into a fairly compact 110 minutes. The love between Hellboy and the downcast, combustible Liz Sherman (Selma Blair) gives this film, like its precursor, an undercurrent of hard-boiled, noirish romanticism. There are also Tolkienish elves (as Mr. del Toro limbers up for “The Hobbit”), officious bureaucrats and a showstopping Barry Manilow song washed down with many cans of Tecate beer. The whole affair is pulpy, jokey, sometimes touching and frequently nonsensical: a big mess and, mostly, a lot of fun.

An ancient truce between the elves and the humans has been broken by an angry blond elf-prince (Luke Goss), who robs an auction house and whose twin sister (Anna Walton) bleeds maple syrup whenever he is injured. Back at the top-secret paranormal government lab where Hellboy grouchily works, his put-upon boss (the indispensable Jeffrey Tambor) welcomes a new authority figure, the punctilious Dr. Johann Kraus, a puff of gas with a creaky diving suit and a Prussian accent (voiced by Seth MacFarlane). Abe Sapien (Doug Jones), Hellboy’s begilled foil and sidekick, returns and this time finds some romance of his own.

But enough summarizing. Mr. del Toro has made delicate, finely modulated films in the past (“The Devil’s Backbone” and “Pan’s Labyrinth,” most notably). Here, though, with a big budget to play with and a pop-culture franchise to tend, he lets abundance trump coherence.

Like the ancient king who builds an army of nearly 5,000 enchanted mechanical warriors (the Golden Army of the film’s title), this director is a compulsive and prodigious maker of creatures, and for this movie he seems to have opened up his notebooks and let his imagination run free. Around every corner is a strange new beast or gizmo, from the tiny, swarming “tooth fairies” who devour a room full of art collectors to the slimy denizens of the troll market, one of whom has what looks like an infant attached to its chest. “I’m not a baby, I’m a tumor,” the appendage explains.

“Hellboy 2” is not a great movie — its narrative is at once too busy and too perfunctory — but like that sassy little tumor, it is lovable in its prodigious grotesquery. It was made with the kind of heedless, geeky enthusiasm that has been drained out of the standard, somber superhero melodramas that crowd the multiplexes these days. It’s an artful, clever throwaway that may, over time, turn into a valuable collectible.

“Hellboy 2” is rated PG-13 (Parents strongly cautioned). It has some scary monsters, grown-up problems and salty lingo.

HELLBOY II

The Golden Army

Opens on Friday nationwide.

Directed by Guillermo del Toro; written by Mr. del Toro, based on a story by Mr. del Toro and Mike Mignola and on the Dark Horse comic by Mr. Mignola; director of photography, Guillermo Navarro; edited by Bernat Vilaplana; music by Danny Elfman; production designer, Stephen Scott; creature and makeup effects by Mike Elizalde; produced by Lawrence Gordon, Mike Richardson and Lloyd Levin; released by Universal Pictures. Running time: 1 hour 50 minutes.

WITH: Ron Perlman (Hellboy), Selma Blair (Liz Sherman), Doug Jones (Abe Sapien/Chamberlain/Angel of Death), Jeffrey Tambor (Tom Manning), Luke Goss (Prince Nuada), Anna Walton (Princess Nuala), Seth MacFarlane (voice of Johann Kraus) and John Hurt (Trevor Buttenholm).
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 10:22:46 AM
Bale's performance as Bateman makes him > than most. The phone confession at the end should have got HIM an oscar you fucks.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2008, 10:31:29 AM
Hellboy 1 is laughably bad outside of the first few minutes. I just can't take it seriously: not a fan of the hero (or the way he looks) or his c-list sidekicks. I'll give the sequel a chance because Pan's was omg, and the Devil's Backbone was good
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 10:42:49 AM
Bale is sooo > Ledger
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 11, 2008, 10:44:58 AM
ledger took a big cowboy cock up his twinklefish, though!
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
sounds like maf wants bale up his twinkefish
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 11, 2008, 10:49:38 AM
that knocking sound is coming from inside YOUR closet, my downlow bro
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2008, 10:50:06 AM
bale is cool and everything but he's no father mike
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Solo on July 11, 2008, 10:53:47 AM
I predict both will be overrated. Hellboy II because of Pan's Labyrinth-colored glasses, and TDK because of the whole internet Batman love thing.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2008, 10:57:04 AM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo

Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 10:59:22 AM
a gay movie and a superhero movie cannot trump bale's work
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 11, 2008, 11:13:56 AM
i'd say hellboy is a little better than bb in the fact that it doesn't take itself so seriously and try to present its goofiness as realism in an attempt to satisfy all the middle-aged nerds in their desperate quest for comic book superhero legitimacy

bb would have been much better had it embraced the fact that, taking everything else into account, it's still just a movie about a dude wearing armored underwear and sailing through the city on his magical glider wings
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2008, 11:16:39 AM
they're not magical, they are engineered that way!
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 11, 2008, 11:17:45 AM
by the magical science man
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 11, 2008, 11:29:57 AM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo




speed racer is fuck awesome. gtfo yourself
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Mupepe on July 11, 2008, 11:30:44 AM
the racism in true romance left PD feeling uncomfortable so yeah...
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Crushed on July 11, 2008, 11:35:11 AM
hang gliders are now magical


oh mine god what be these iron birdes in the skye they must be fowl daemons
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2008, 11:37:25 AM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo


speed racer is fuck awesome. gtfo yourself

If you're a distinguished mentally-challenged child amused by pretty colors, perhaps.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 11, 2008, 11:37:41 AM
Hellboy 2 had alot of moments that were cringe worthy. Almost every line of dialogue that the elf prince (the bad guy) delivers is just god awful LOTR fan fiction garbage.

And then dont even get me started about the scene where hellboy was a kid. I could feel the whole audience collectively groan at most of that scene.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 11, 2008, 11:41:55 AM
hang gliders are now magical


oh mine god what be these iron birdes in the skye they must be fowl daemons

get yourself a cape

run some electricity through it

jump off a building

report realistic results here

Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Crushed on July 11, 2008, 11:47:41 AM
hang gliders are now magical


oh mine god what be these iron birdes in the skye they must be fowl daemons

get yourself a cape

run some electricity through it

jump off a building

report realistic results here



hey hey hey polymers that can become rigid and whatnot when electrically charged are possible, just not as advanced currently as in the movie
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 11, 2008, 01:34:01 PM
Speed Racer rawks.  Phoenix Dark fails yet again.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 01:39:25 PM
PD didnt like Unforgiven either. What a tard-butt
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: drew on July 11, 2008, 02:11:20 PM
For some reason I really want to see this.  That'll be two comic based movies in one month.  Christ what is happening to me.

EB has affected me deeply.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Tauntaun on July 11, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
For some reason I really want to see this.  That'll be two comic based movies in one month.  Christ what is happening to me.

EB has affected me deeply.

That's what we like to hear. :hump
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 11, 2008, 03:27:44 PM
Hellboy 2 :hyper

2 hours! :hyper :hyper
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on July 11, 2008, 03:29:49 PM
Can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on July 11, 2008, 04:08:59 PM
I hated in hellboy 1 they made Rasputin such a little bitch at the end. He was this like super fast spy but now he's killed easily by Hellboy?
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
traffic is HOSED so I think I'll catch the 5:15 of hellboy instead
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 11, 2008, 04:14:50 PM
Holy shit, I forgot that today was Friday. Or something.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 11, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
Movie was really good. Better than the first in nearly every regard. Maybe a little too jam packed here and there thanks to Del Toro getting to do whatever he wants, but when the superfluous stuff is as visually stunning as this... I'll let it slid.

Now on to Batman next week!
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2008, 07:25:20 PM
oh i totally skipped out

traffic was fine

i'll go see it tomorrow

Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Solo on July 11, 2008, 08:30:41 PM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo



Speed Racer is still the best thing Ive seen this year, and Get Smart was at least better than Indy IV and Hancock. I feel no shame. Besides, you like Forrest Gump. Screw film-reviewing, you've lost every credibility card.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MrAngryFace on July 11, 2008, 09:14:23 PM
I dont know what people expected from Get Smart? Half the people bitching havent seen even a few eps of the original. Course I could be biased cuz of Anne
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2008, 09:46:46 PM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo



Speed Racer is still the best thing Ive seen this year, and Get Smart was at least better than Indy IV and Hancock. I feel no shame. Besides, you like Forrest Gump. Screw film-reviewing, you've lost every credibility card.

As someone who has a smidgen more credibility than Pee Dee, I would like to say that Speed Racer is a terrible film and that all of you are allowing your nerdiness to cloud your judgment.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2008, 10:57:17 PM
As someone who has a smidgen more credibility than Pee Dee, I would like to say that Speed Racer is a terrible film and that all of you are allowing your nerdiness to cloud your judgment.

you still haven't seen it, i take it?

if so, you're passing judgment based upon false pretenses

what's next?  libertarianism?

Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2008, 11:29:45 PM
As someone who has a smidgen more credibility than Pee Dee, I would like to say that Speed Racer is a terrible film and that all of you are allowing your nerdiness to cloud your judgment.

you still haven't seen it, i take it?

if so, you're passing judgment based upon false pretenses

what's next?  libertarianism?

lolz, I watched it on joox.  It sucked.  Nerdy people like nerdy things, it's ok guys just admit it.  Movie was crap.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Tucah on July 12, 2008, 12:03:31 AM
Hellboy 2 was very good, I liked it a lot. Lots of stunning shots, action was good, very entertaining throughout. Better than the first, definitely.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 12, 2008, 04:47:41 AM
As someone who has a smidgen more credibility than Pee Dee, I would like to say that Speed Racer is a terrible film and that all of you are allowing your nerdiness to cloud your judgment.

you still haven't seen it, i take it?

if so, you're passing judgment based upon false pretenses

what's next?  libertarianism?

lolz, I watched it on joox.  It sucked.  Nerdy people like nerdy things, it's ok guys just admit it.  Movie was crap.

Speed Racer was great, and still the best movie I've seen in a theater this summer by a large and colorful amount. I am sorry you didn't like it, but it still has merit!

And I never liked the original cartoon (or saw it, even) so it wasn't any sort of a nostalgia trip. And The Matrix Revolutions is probably the greatest betrayal I've seen in theaters.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 12, 2008, 05:18:23 AM
Hellboy 2 was a lot looser, funnier and visually impressive than the first one, but the structure is a mess and too much is left on the hook for a third installment.  It felt like one part of a two part finale.  Kind of irked me.  See it for the production design and some good character moments (they actually make Abe and Hellboy look like friends), but those expecting a good overall movie out of this will probably be disappointed.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Solo on July 12, 2008, 02:17:03 PM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo



Speed Racer is still the best thing Ive seen this year, and Get Smart was at least better than Indy IV and Hancock. I feel no shame. Besides, you like Forrest Gump. Screw film-reviewing, you've lost every credibility card.

As someone who has a smidgen more credibility than Pee Dee, I would like to say that Speed Racer is a terrible film and that all of you are allowing your nerdiness to cloud your judgment.

But you haven't seen SR. As for the nerdiness bit, of all the things I love/geek out over, anime isn't one of them (in fact I pretty much hate it), so nerdgasm dont come into play with SR. I also hated the Wachowski Bros after Matrix 2 and 3, so thats another strike SR had going against it. I just think SR overcame both those barriers by leaps and bounds and was way more awesome than I ever thought imaginable.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 03:16:00 PM
you lost your ebert card when you praised get smart and speed racer. gtfo



Speed Racer is still the best thing Ive seen this year, and Get Smart was at least better than Indy IV and Hancock. I feel no shame. Besides, you like Forrest Gump. Screw film-reviewing, you've lost every credibility card.

As someone who has a smidgen more credibility than Pee Dee, I would like to say that Speed Racer is a terrible film and that all of you are allowing your nerdiness to cloud your judgment.

But you haven't seen SR. As for the nerdiness bit, of all the things I love/geek out over, anime isn't one of them (in fact I pretty much hate it), so nerdgasm dont come into play with SR. I also hated the Wachowski Bros after Matrix 2 and 3, so thats another strike SR had going against it. I just think SR overcame both those barriers by leaps and bounds and was way more awesome than I ever thought imaginable.

Uh, I have seen it.  I watched it on joox.  Maybe there was something missing in the translation from big screen to my laptop, but to be honest with you the only reason I think you people liked it was OMG PRETTY SHIT TO LOOK AT.  It's a pretty terrible film and a pretty shitty job of film making.  But whatever, you guys are certainly entitled to like crappy stuff.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Rman on July 12, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
PD, have you seen Speed Racer?
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2008, 03:21:01 PM
why would i willingly view such an abortion?
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Solo on July 12, 2008, 03:23:27 PM
PD, you like Harry Potter 4. Dont act like your ass has some refined tastes.

Triumph - no hope for you, I guess. Also, off topic, but how in the christ did you not see Blade Runner until recently? Seems almost a prerequisite viewing experience for anyone who loves Children of Men. Not that they are incredibly similar, but CoM fans tend to also be BR fans.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Rman on July 12, 2008, 03:29:27 PM
why would i willingly view such an abortion?
One would think you would have to watch a film before you can make any judgments about it.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 03:47:10 PM
PD, you like Harry Potter 4. Dont act like your ass has some refined tastes.

Triumph - no hope for you, I guess. Also, off topic, but how in the christ did you not see Blade Runner until recently? Seems almost a prerequisite viewing experience for anyone who loves Children of Men. Not that they are incredibly similar, but CoM fans tend to also be BR fans.

As I said in the other thread, it was Just One Of Those Things.  After a while I guess I purposely avoided seeing it just so I could keep saying "Yeah, I've never seen Blade Runner.  Just One Of Those Things."  But it was quite good, altho I saw the Director's cut so I understand the original theatrical cut had narration, which I would imagine would change the film quite drastically. 

As for Speed Racer, I can understand people enjoying it as a popcorn flick or whatever but I just have to plead bewilderment at people saying it's a good film in general, much less "the best thing I've seen this year."  It's a mess of pretty colors and visuals, with shitty acting and directing thrown on top.  Not to mention an absurd plot, which while I will freely admit I've enjoyed some movies with absurd plots in my day, they usually tend to be well directed and acted.  Speed Racer is none of those things.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Solo on July 12, 2008, 03:55:16 PM
PD, you like Harry Potter 4. Dont act like your ass has some refined tastes.

Triumph - no hope for you, I guess. Also, off topic, but how in the christ did you not see Blade Runner until recently? Seems almost a prerequisite viewing experience for anyone who loves Children of Men. Not that they are incredibly similar, but CoM fans tend to also be BR fans.

As I said in the other thread, it was Just One Of Those Things.  After a while I guess I purposely avoided seeing it just so I could keep saying "Yeah, I've never seen Blade Runner.  Just One Of Those Things."  But it was quite good, altho I saw the Director's cut so I understand the original theatrical cut had narration, which I would imagine would change the film quite drastically. 

As for Speed Racer, I can understand people enjoying it as a popcorn flick or whatever but I just have to plead bewilderment at people saying it's a good film in general, much less "the best thing I've seen this year."  It's a mess of pretty colors and visuals, with shitty acting and directing thrown on top.  Not to mention an absurd plot, which while I will freely admit I've enjoyed some movies with absurd plots in my day, they usually tend to be well directed and acted.  Speed Racer is none of those things.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree about SR. While I can accept almost all of your criticisms, the one I cant is the one I bolded. Say what you want about the acting, writing and whatnot, but SR has fantastic direction and editing. Other than that, Im done on the topic.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on July 12, 2008, 07:03:41 PM
Q: Are the Hellboy comics any good? Wondering since I liked the movie and want to know if I should lower myself to nerd books to get moar.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 12, 2008, 07:06:46 PM
Q: Are the Hellboy comics any good? Wondering since I liked the movie and want to know if I should lower myself to nerd books to get moar.

A: Yes
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 12, 2008, 07:17:51 PM
sounds better than batman begins

Is it more creative and visually impressive than Christopher Nolan's freshman comic book effort?  Totally.  But it's not a better film.  Hellboy II is worth the price of admission to see spectacles that only Del Toro can deliver, but the whole effort is not poperly focused.  It's all over the place.

And Del Toro has still failed to bring any tension between Hellboy and any opponents that meet with his right hand of doom, maybe less this time around.  You get the feeling like nothing can stop him and you never worry - not for one second - that he won't beat the bad guy.  The only thing that really seems to be bubbling is a real internal struggle and identity crisis, which is something Del Toro hints at but ultimately saves for a sequel.

Del Toro tries to say too many things with this flick, as well.  What's the theme?  There are like four.  It's crazy.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 12, 2008, 07:48:50 PM
Does Nick Cave's Red Right hand appear in the movie?
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 12, 2008, 07:56:37 PM
Sadly no.  And Danny Elfman's score is a downgrade from Marco Beltrami's underrated effort from the original.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 12, 2008, 07:58:49 PM
In retrospect the film is very frustrating.  I wanted to really like it, but I kind of walked out not totally satisified.  For every improvement over the original, Del Toro takes a step backward.  I kind of want to see it again to see how it plays the second time around to get a clear opinion.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Bloodwake on July 12, 2008, 08:09:19 PM
Sadly no.  And Danny Elfman's score is a downgrade from Marco Beltrami's underrated effort from the original.

I thought Hellboy II was better and more imaginative than the first film, but I definitely accept your criticisms, because they are similar to mine. While I did like Elfman's score as well, it really didn't touch Beltrami's for me as well. Thank you for saying that it was underrated, because I sure as hell felt that it was.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Bloodwake on July 12, 2008, 08:12:13 PM
However, Hellboy II is still worth seeing, and it's better than the first film. I felt that the first film was all over the place and it failed to focus on Hellboy or his team members as much as it did on Myers. This film, however, succeeds in fleshing out the team's relationships to a better degree, and the creature design is like watching designs that would be in a Pan's Labyrinth sequel. Definitely a great film, and a hilarious one (I couldn't stop laughing throughout the entirety of the thing) but I don't doubt that the Dark Knight is definitely going to be the comic book film that really opens eyes.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Bloodwake on July 12, 2008, 08:13:04 PM
By the way, PD, if you don't see Speed Racer, you are truly distinguished mentally-challenged. It's probably my number two pick for film of the year right behind Wall-E.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 12, 2008, 08:17:02 PM
However, Hellboy II is still worth seeing, and it's better than the first film. I felt that the first film was all over the place and it failed to focus on Hellboy or his team members as much as it did on Myers. This film, however, succeeds in fleshing out the team's relationships to a better degree, and the creature design is like watching designs that would be in a Pan's Labyrinth sequel. Definitely a great film, and a hilarious one (I couldn't stop laughing throughout the entirety of the thing) but I don't doubt that the Dark Knight is definitely going to be the comic book film that really opens eyes.

I dig the first movie, but it did totally leave me with the impression that it would have been a ton better if it had been a miniseries on HBO or something.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Bloodwake on July 12, 2008, 08:29:10 PM
However, Hellboy II is still worth seeing, and it's better than the first film. I felt that the first film was all over the place and it failed to focus on Hellboy or his team members as much as it did on Myers. This film, however, succeeds in fleshing out the team's relationships to a better degree, and the creature design is like watching designs that would be in a Pan's Labyrinth sequel. Definitely a great film, and a hilarious one (I couldn't stop laughing throughout the entirety of the thing) but I don't doubt that the Dark Knight is definitely going to be the comic book film that really opens eyes.

I dig the first movie, but it did totally leave me with the impression that it would have been a ton better if it had been a miniseries on HBO or something.

Exactly. This film feels more like a movie and it definitely has Del Toro written all over it.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 12, 2008, 08:30:31 PM
I want to see it ASAP, but theaters will be packed tonight with fiulthy fucking rich teenagers.  Whenever I have to be around teenagers for an extended period, I can't help but let my mind wander into thinking about what their blood looks like.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 12, 2008, 08:32:26 PM
I want to see it ASAP, but theaters will be packed tonight with fiulthy fucking rich teenagers.  Whenever I have to be around teenagers for an extended period, I can't help but let my mind wander into thinking about what their blood looks like.

delicious in a tea
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Bloodwake on July 12, 2008, 08:34:11 PM
I want to see it ASAP, but theaters will be packed tonight with fiulthy fucking rich teenagers.  Whenever I have to be around teenagers for an extended period, I can't help but let my mind wander into thinking about what their blood looks like.

Honestly, I watched it in a notoriously bad theater for dumbasses, and I was the loudest one because I couldn't stop laughing.

Meaning that you might be safe. MIGHT.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: TVC15 on July 12, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
If I wake up before 4PM tomorrow, maybe I'll try a matinee.  It's late enough here that the theaters will be zerg rushed.  The only thing that's worse than teenagers are obnoxiously rich teenagers.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 12, 2008, 09:53:16 PM
Just came back from viewing it. I liked it a lot. Del Toro did a really good job of making a cohesive world with these monsters inhabiting it. The imagery is abso-fucking-lutely amazing. His vision and translating it to film is remarkable.

I wasn't put off by the romance aspects at all. The karaoke scene was hilarious. The plot was sort of generic and utterly forgettable. It seems to act as a bridge to what seems to be, a more interesting Hellboy 3.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2008, 10:21:10 PM
I want to see it ASAP, but theaters will be packed tonight with fiulthy fucking rich teenagers.  Whenever I have to be around teenagers for an extended period, I can't help but let my mind wander into thinking about what their blood looks like.

I find that the best time to see a movie on opening weekend for sociopaths like ourselves tends to be the first possible showing on a Sunday.  Families are at church, teenagers are hung over.  Attendance is sparse.  It's super fucking ace if you can score a showing before noon, too.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on July 13, 2008, 02:34:38 AM
Saw it. Was awesome.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 15, 2008, 08:44:47 PM
saw it tonight rather than fight traffic

zomfg

can we just give him a billion dollars and let him go nutso?

so tragic to see his career cut short (lol) by hobbits


fucking hobbits.
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
I want to see it ASAP, but theaters will be packed tonight with fiulthy fucking rich teenagers.  Whenever I have to be around teenagers for an extended period, I can't help but let my mind wander into thinking about what their blood looks like.

I find that the best time to see a movie on opening weekend for sociopaths like ourselves tends to be the first possible showing on a Sunday.  Families are at church, teenagers are hung over.  Attendance is sparse.  It's super fucking ace if you can score a showing before noon, too.

this is how i saw pulp fiction way back when

i was the only one in the theater

i almost lit up a cigarette, but then a couple walked in about twenty minutes into the movie

wtf, just stay home if you're that late
Title: Re: AV Club: "Hellboy II is simply a better movie than The Dark Knight."
Post by: Eric P on July 15, 2008, 09:26:31 PM
i saw pulp fiction in theaters with my parents and my girlfriend

whoops