THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Tieno on July 14, 2008, 03:39:12 PM
-
http://gamerscoreblog.com/team/archive/2008/07/14/mrcwhtnltrxle.aspx
Play from hard drive. Copy your games from the game disc and play directly from the hard drive. Not only will the drive not spin, but load times are quicker, as well. Of course, you will still need the disc in the tray to prove you own the game.
* Access Xbox LIVE Marketplace on the Web. Browse and purchase Marketplace content whenever you want from Xbox.com and it downloads automatically to your console. Purchase that new map, television episode, the latest Xbox LIVE Arcade game or set up a movie to watch when you get home from work.
* Dashboard built into the new Xbox Guide. For everyone who loves the blades interface, its not going away; they are now built directly in to the new Xbox guide. Every feature and option is available right from the guide. You can even access your full games library at all times. No matter where you are (in dash or in game), immediately call up your games played list and directly launch a game.
* LIVE Party system. Create a party of up to eight friends, and stay with them from one game to another, or watch a Netflix movie together, or share a slideshow of your personal photos. It works with all Xbox 360 titles, not just upcoming games. LIVE Party allows up to eight people to chat in the dashboard, so you can meet up before playing.
* Xbox LIVE Primetime. This whole new category of games is going to give you more reasons to get online with your friends. Games will support everything youd expect, like Achievements and leader boards, but many of these games will include real prizes. You can invite your friends, and even set a reminder for an upcoming show. Each game is broadcast simultaneously, so everyone is answering the same questions. Many events will have a live host, calling the shots as they happen.
* Avatars. Your online identity started as a Gamertag - it then grew into a personalized Gamercard. Now, it has evolved even further into avatars. You can express your style, check out new outfits and share this with the community. Avatars will also be integrated into Xbox LIVE Arcade games, LIVE Party, as well as retail games.
* New display support. Because you asked for it, we are adding 16X10 over VGA or HDMI, and support for 1440x900 or 1680x1050.
This is only the beginning. Over the next few months, we will share more details on the upcoming changes.
-
cool stuff
-
HOLY SHIT
-
HOLY HEARTFAILURE
-
optional is good. mandatory bad. i'll never pay the msft tax for an hdd upgrade.
-
Thank god. My 360 is scratching my Rock Band disc. :lol
:bow MS :bow2
:( Cheap DVD drives :(
-
Best thing to come out of the conference!
In-game switching also sounds awesome like it is on the PS3!
-
wow, i'm diggin' these updates!
-
Now everyone is down with installation? :P
Sounds good to me, though. Should really help some of those games that struggle with texture pop-in and such. Now I'll need to upgrade that original 20gb drive.
-
Now everyone is down with installation? :P
Sounds good to me, though. Should really help some of those games that struggle with texture pop-in and such. Now I'll need to upgrade that original 20gb drive.
Funny, isn't it? It cuts down on loading, you know. :lol
-
As long as it's optional, guys :) You can still pop in the game and just play it
-
But then what if my friends have installed it and I haven't, they'd have to wait for my game to take forever to load and online gaming would be ruined!
alt: But then what if I have it installed, and then some buddy of mine goes to play another game, and he has it installed, but I have to first uninstall some game because I ran out of space before I can install this game? Online gaming would be ruined!
-
You'll wait a few secs longer for the map to load.
-
i can't wait to sploit it, store most of my 360 collection on the HDD and just leave one disc in the drive forever
-
Microsoft know how to respond, holy shit. I guess this is why there was no Spring Update planned. Wow just wow. Microsoft
-
But then what if my friends have installed it and I haven't, they'd have to wait for my game to take forever to load and online gaming would be ruined!
alt: But then what if I have it installed, and then some buddy of mine goes to play another game, and he has it installed, but I have to first uninstall some game because I ran out of space before I can install this game? Online gaming would be ruined!
wow, this is a dcharlie level troll right here. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory.
-
These features are pretty awesome, I have to say.
-
But then what if my friends have installed it and I haven't, they'd have to wait for my game to take forever to load and online gaming would be ruined!
alt: But then what if I have it installed, and then some buddy of mine goes to play another game, and he has it installed, but I have to first uninstall some game because I ran out of space before I can install this game? Online gaming would be ruined!
wow, this is a dcharlie level troll right here. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory.
Thank you, that's what I was going for. And did you notice how my argument was made in such a way that it doesn't matter if it's optional or mandatory? If someone choses (not) to install, it ruins it for everyone!
-
Well I'm glad they're fucking optional, because I have about 10g of rotating HDD space with a couple demos installed, and no intention of paying $100 for a 40g upgrade.
-
But then what if my friends have installed it and I haven't, they'd have to wait for my game to take forever to load and online gaming would be ruined!
alt: But then what if I have it installed, and then some buddy of mine goes to play another game, and he has it installed, but I have to first uninstall some game because I ran out of space before I can install this game? Online gaming would be ruined!
wow, this is a dcharlie level troll right here. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory. optional. mandatory.
Thank you, that's what I was going for. And did you notice how my argument was made in such a way that it doesn't matter if it's optional or mandatory? If someone choses (not) to install, it ruins it for everyone!
I can't really argue with that logic, although I'm more of a single player type of guy so maybe that just doesn't bother me. I won't be installing any games either way. the HDD prices are highway robbery and I hate waiting.
-
The movie thing is the coolest.
-
http://gizmodo.com/5025122/xbox-360-fall-dashboard-update-details
(http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/IMG_3990.JPG)
(http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/IMG_3986.JPG)
Here's what we just learned from Microsoft in their round table discussion on Xbox Live and the new Dashboard. First, the impetus for re-designing the dash was that the current content navigation is too difficult. They only planned on a couple hundred/thousand items, but they currently have 20,000+ pieces of content in their marketplace. There needed to be a change, and the change is the streamlined dash. Here's what else we found.
There might not be any de-listing of content from the marketplace now. MIGHT. Microsoft says they haven't de-listed anything "yet", and the whole point of the new dash is to make things easier to findthe problem that de-listing games was going to solve.
Playing from the hard drive still requires games to be in the drive while you play, which means you can't just load all your games onto your Xbox and swap games from your couch.
Hard drive gaming is mostly for saving load times.
The current blade-based dash design still exists inside the Guide, and they've ported a lot of the current dash features there so you can actually access much of it from inside games. No browsing marketplace though.
The new dashboard is fast and fluid, getting rid of the delays that come up when you're switching blades (occasionally) and loading up the thumbnails of your XBLA games. There's also an Apple TV-like reflection under each icon representing games, and the whole thing looks vaguely Cover Flow-like.
There's a new Quick Launch feature from the Guide (the thing that pops up when you click the Xbox button on your controller) that lets you switch to any game you currently have installed. XBLA games or retail (if the disc is in your drive).
Avatars will be used in XBLA games, Xbox 360 retail games and Xbox Primetime games.
Avatars will be available for everyone, even Xbox Live Silver members. If you don't like them, you can still use gamerpics instead.
"Primetime" games are like gameshows and will be more of a streamed experience rather than a boxed game or an XBLA game. It's a third type of game on the Xbox.
All of the marketplace content will be listed on xbox.com so you can browse and queue up downloads for them to your Xbox. If your console is on, it seems like stuff is downloaded as you add them to your queue.
The 8-people party system lets you basically chat with all your friends no matter where you are in any game, and then be able to drag each one through games with you. People who don't have the game the party leader loaded will get a screen telling them to go buy it.
-
The 8-people party system lets you basically chat with all your friends no matter where you are in any game, and then be able to drag each one through games with you. People who don't have the game the party leader loaded will get a screen telling them to go buy it.
Buy what?
-
quiet 360 gaming at last!
MS really had a fucking kick ass conference, surprisingly.
-
The 8-people party system lets you basically chat with all your friends no matter where you are in any game, and then be able to drag each one through games with you. People who don't have the game the party leader loaded will get a screen telling them to go buy it.
Buy what?
The game.
I am starting to like the new interface now.
-
so are they full installs? PS3 games aren't full installs? 360 wins again :dur
-
The 8-people party system lets you basically chat with all your friends no matter where you are in any game, and then be able to drag each one through games with you. People who don't have the game the party leader loaded will get a screen telling them to go buy it.
Buy what?
To buy the game that was loaded (if you don't currently own it)
-
Nice try Microsoft, but I'm not buying your stupidly overpriced hard drive.
... but I still think the installs are great. I've got enough room on my hard drive for one or two games which is all I generally play at the one time.
I pray the new dashboard really is fast.
Overall, awesome stuff.
-
But then what if my friends have installed it and I haven't, they'd have to wait for my game to take forever to load and online gaming would be ruined!
alt: But then what if I have it installed, and then some buddy of mine goes to play another game, and he has it installed, but I have to first uninstall some game because I ran out of space before I can install this game? Online gaming would be ruined!
The problem is the PS3 doesn't load noticeably faster even with the mandatory HD installs.
-
[The problem is the PS3 doesn't load noticeably faster even with the mandatory HD installs.
Some games do, and those that are optional make a BIG difference.
Anyone with an HD Loader can vouch for loading games, even those that don't support it, onto your HD makes a huge difference.
-
[The problem is the PS3 doesn't load noticeably faster even with the mandatory HD installs.
Some games do, and those that are optional make a BIG difference.
Anyone with an HD Loader can vouch for loading games, even those that don't support it, onto your HD makes a huge difference.
It makes a big difference for the PS3 itself but not a big difference between the PS3 and 360 versions. Plenty of reviews support the logic that the HD installs are just due to the PS3's blu-ray drive being too slow.
-
yup.
and this is all done from dash it seems, universal shit is cool.
-
You can do the HD install for any game? That's pretty awesome if so.
360 is the best console 'cause it's the best PC clone.
-
well, the only limitation they mentioned is the "you will still need the disc in the tray to prove you own the game" so that means it's universal for all games.
now we just need a no cd crack lulz.
edit: dcharlie my emperor, relax and laugh for this is our day ahahahahaha.
-
well, the only limitation they mentioned is the "you will still need the disc in the tray to prove you own the game" so that means it's universal for all games.
nice jump in logic. just because they didn't specifically say otherwise doesn't mean it's assumed to be universal.
just like at the press conference they didn't mention that all 8 people watching netflix with you have to also be netflix subscribers to watch them.
not saying it won't be universal -- just pointing out it can go both ways.
-
ok...
-
"[The hard drive install feature] will allow you to install any game that you want. It's optional, of course," said Xbox Live general manager Marc Whitten. "You can [install] any game that ever shipped, any game that will ship... every game."
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53629
AHAHAHA
-
If we could, that would be amazing and I will laugh at those who wasted money on the Xbox Originals.
-
Where's the Xfag Emperor? He's been surprisingly silent with all the great MS news.
-
* New display support. Because you asked for it, we are adding 16X10 over VGA or HDMI, and support for 1440x900 or 1680x1050.
Sexcellent! I like playing my Xbox on my 1680x1050 native monitor.
-
Where's the Xfag Emperor? He's been surprisingly silent with all the great MS news.
i've been silent on everything - i'm really fecking busy in real life right now, so i haven't had time to take in anything from the last two weeks or so. :/
Your work here is done, Emperor. The battlefield is silent, save the distant lamentation of their women.
-
"[The hard drive install feature] will allow you to install any game that you want. It's optional, of course," said Xbox Live general manager Marc Whitten. "You can [install] any game that ever shipped, any game that will ship... every game."
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53629
AHAHAHA
there you go.
-
http://gizmodo.com/5025122/xbox-360-fall-dashboard-update-details
(http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/IMG_3990.JPG)
(http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/IMG_3986.JPG)
Here's what we just learned from Microsoft in their round table discussion on Xbox Live and the new Dashboard. First, the impetus for re-designing the dash was that the current content navigation is too difficult. They only planned on a couple hundred/thousand items, but they currently have 20,000+ pieces of content in their marketplace. There needed to be a change, and the change is the streamlined dash. Here's what else we found.
There might not be any de-listing of content from the marketplace now. MIGHT. Microsoft says they haven't de-listed anything "yet", and the whole point of the new dash is to make things easier to findthe problem that de-listing games was going to solve.
Playing from the hard drive still requires games to be in the drive while you play, which means you can't just load all your games onto your Xbox and swap games from your couch.
Hard drive gaming is mostly for saving load times.
The current blade-based dash design still exists inside the Guide, and they've ported a lot of the current dash features there so you can actually access much of it from inside games. No browsing marketplace though.
The new dashboard is fast and fluid, getting rid of the delays that come up when you're switching blades (occasionally) and loading up the thumbnails of your XBLA games. There's also an Apple TV-like reflection under each icon representing games, and the whole thing looks vaguely Cover Flow-like.
There's a new Quick Launch feature from the Guide (the thing that pops up when you click the Xbox button on your controller) that lets you switch to any game you currently have installed. XBLA games or retail (if the disc is in your drive).
Avatars will be used in XBLA games, Xbox 360 retail games and Xbox Primetime games.
Avatars will be available for everyone, even Xbox Live Silver members. If you don't like them, you can still use gamerpics instead.
"Primetime" games are like gameshows and will be more of a streamed experience rather than a boxed game or an XBLA game. It's a third type of game on the Xbox.
All of the marketplace content will be listed on xbox.com so you can browse and queue up downloads for them to your Xbox. If your console is on, it seems like stuff is downloaded as you add them to your queue.
The 8-people party system lets you basically chat with all your friends no matter where you are in any game, and then be able to drag each one through games with you. People who don't have the game the party leader loaded will get a screen telling them to go buy it.
:bow
-
Screw FFXIII. This announcement and the Netflix thing were the biggest news items to come out today.
-
Hate the new look...
-
our work here is done, Emperor. The battlefield is silent, save the distant lamentation of their women.
(http://benchu.com/images/blog/anime_gallery_sec_ren_2hl.jpg)
Microsoft
having long studied
Sony's simple convergence device and gaming plan
dispensed great mysery upon the Sony fanboys.
Victorious, the xfags now turned to the vanquished.
Applying what they had learned about their enemy,
the Xfags turned to an alternate and readily available alternative power source:
previous exhalted prime reasons to own the PS3 coupled with bitter fanboy tears.
heh, look at that , even the victory horse has a RRoD!
:lol
-
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36411.html
walkthrough of the new dash.
-
Hmm, so you can't browse marketplace from your console? That's strange...at least you can from your PC. But I don't know...
-
nice troll, animatrix rox
watchin the vid now
-
wow the new live features sound AMAZING
-
oh shit, does this mean being a gold member lets me watch movies for free? I don't need netflix at all?
-
oh shit, does this mean being a gold member lets me watch movies for free? I don't need netflix at all?
No, you need netflix subscription too.
-
Fuck that then.
I am surprised they don't have advertising all over the place. This is so not like Microsoft.
-
Hmm, so you can't browse marketplace from your console? That's strange...at least you can from your PC. But I don't know...
what's the marketplace button for then?
or are you talking about netflix?
-
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/891/891275p1.html
The Party system, another new feature of the upcoming Dashboard overhaul lets you join up with up to eight friends online and hop from game from game or even movie to movie. If you're halfway through a Netflix movie and notice one of your friends pop online, you can invite them into your Party. If she is also a Netflix member and accepts your request, she will come into the film at the exact point you are watching it, and you can chat and watch the second half together.
Whitten said the main channels of the new interface won't be cluttered with ads. Instead there will be a new section the Spotlight Channel -- dedicated solely to marketing and advertising from Microsoft and its corporate partners. You might see info about an upcoming online event or a pitch for an upcoming third-party game in this section. The Games Channel is where you'll find the game-related content formerly associated with Marketplace. It has four sections: Browse Games, Top Downloads, New Arrivals and Major's Picks. From here, you can browse and buy Xbox Live Arcade games, Xbox Originals and downloadable content.
One of the coolest changes to the Dashboard is a major behind-the-scenes shift. Currently, if you're playing, say, Assault Heroes 2 with a friend online and want to switch to Carcassonne, you have to exit the game, go to the dashboard, start up the new game and re-invite your friend. With the new Party system you can bring up the guide in Assault Heroes 2, choose Carcassonne and take your whole party to the new game right from there. It's a huge change that should make playing games online with friends much more streamlined.
-
The 3rd quote is amazing. I'm not an avid Online player but that really shows that MS are making huge strides to make the whole Online experience as seamless and easy as possible.
-
being able to fully browse the marketplace while in game is rad
-
i'd prefer to do all this in a 3d world with avatars thanks.
fuck off kittonwy.
-
i'd prefer to do all this in a 3d world with avatars thanks.
agreed, if I can't have my own apartment with the ability to develop warhawk strategies with my clan and watch the newest QORE then it's of no interest to me
-
I think it is really funny that instead of waiting for Sony to catch up to them, they just dove forward like 100 paces or something like. New features sound great.
-
i'd prefer to do all this in a 3d world with avatars thanks.
agreed, if I can't have my own apartment with the ability to develop warhawk strategies with my clan and watch the newest QORE then it's of no interest to me
Can't wait to see who's going to be using these pre-game "war rooms". These are the people that need to be griefed until our throats are sore.
-
I will probably never use that war room stuff, but I will probably play the Uncharted 2D game.
-
Any word on 1080p 24 support (mainly for hd-doa?)
I won't hold my breath :'(
-
http://www.vimeo.com/1479143?pg=embed&sec=1479143
direct link: http://bitcast.vimeo.com/vimeo/videos/84/76/52/84765290/84765290_31_fc5dc96927.flv?e=1218282730&h=a85683343a4945dda4102c6344558a68
installing gta4, 6.9gigs.
-
http://www.vimeo.com/1479143?pg=embed&sec=1479143
direct link: http://bitcast.vimeo.com/vimeo/videos/84/76/52/84765290/84765290_31_fc5dc96927.flv?e=1218282730&h=a85683343a4945dda4102c6344558a68
installing gta4, 6.9gigs.
It's 6.8GB not 6.9GB...
-
the thought that counts!
-
http://www.vimeo.com/1479143?pg=embed&sec=1479143
direct link: http://bitcast.vimeo.com/vimeo/videos/84/76/52/84765290/84765290_31_fc5dc96927.flv?e=1218282730&h=a85683343a4945dda4102c6344558a68
installing gta4, 6.9gigs.
it's pretty funny that you can hear the roar of that dude's 360 throughout the video
-
Yeah, I probably am not going to be using that feature. Only 11 gigs on my 360 hard drive and I don't want to stress that machine to much installing disks. That is exactly how my old big PS2 started to fail, by installing games to HD Loader.
The interface doesn't look bad, but it still seems pretty slow. It is the weird thing the 360 interface does where when scroll through objects, it needs to touch on every single one. Like, if you type on the PS3 and compare it to the 360, just hold right to scroll past the in-game keyboard causes the cursor to swiftly move to the other side, but the 360 has to stop on every letter and just speeds things up. This is a minor complaint I always had with it, but I wish they would have addressed it in this new firmware. Hopefully this wasn't the final version of the dash.
-
i don't like how the icons disappear when you go to the right, they should make it visible on both directions like media center.
-
(http://i36.tinypic.com/rkpzro.jpg)
see what i mean?
right, left, up and down all visible.
-
installing gta4, 6.9gigs.
6.9 gigs? I THOUGHT IT WAS PUSHING DVD TO THE BRINK!
Pretty sure 360 discs only allow 7.5GB.
-
i'll only be installing huge open world games that i intend to spend a great deal of time playing, like fallout 3
probably won't install stuff like call of duty
but this is just a ms baby step towards digital distribution of full games, really
-
Geez, since E3 it has been all about good MS news. Aside from Rage vs 2 dvds
-
And Burnout Paradise patch delays, but that is hardly something to care much about.
-
i can't wait to sploit it, store most of my 360 collection on the HDD and just leave one disc in the drive forever
I think it's saying that you can switch to hard drive installed games directly from the guide which would mean that yeah, you could just rent or download games, put them on then drive, and then keep a random disk in there. MS probably thought about that though and in reality, you have to put in the actual game's disk before playing it off of the drive.
-
Yeah, I probably am not going to be using that feature. Only 11 gigs on my 360 hard drive and I don't want to stress that machine to much installing disks. That is exactly how my old big PS2 started to fail, by installing games to HD Loader.
this probably the dumbest post i've seen in relation to 360 hdd installs
complaining about lack of space is one thing, but stressing the console? bitch please. you're stressing the system FAR LESS by installing to the hdd.
less heat and not to mention the fact you won't be putting constant strain on one of the 360's uber fail prone components.
-
Like I said, my PS2 got fucked up because I kept installing disks to it. Then again, I installed almost every PS2 game I had to HD Loader, so maybe that did it in. And in the 22 minutes or so that guy copied GTA4 to his hard drive, the DVD drive would need to spin like crazy and load the entire DVD to the console. Chances are that it wouldn't normally spin at that speed even in the duration of the entire game. It probably is the same for the PS3. I think most games on 360 have reasonable load times, so if I do use it, it will be for something like Dead Rising or PGR4. And I probably would actually use it a lot more if/when I buy a second 360. I am hoping Microsoft does a redesign or something, or at least a sizable drop in price for the Elite. I do want HDMI support as well.
-
Its about 10 minutes not 22 minutes,360 doesn't have slow-ass blu-ray :D
As for the installing killing consoles all i have to say is :lol
PC failure rate is then 100%
360 DVD drive is always spinning at maximum speed(12x),xbox games excluded.
-
Well, then I am mistaken on that. I just compared it to the closest comparison I had in my experience with consoles. I still think it is an awesome feature, and despite having a small hard drive, I can at least install one game at a time, but I don't think I would really need to for most 360 games.
And I don't remember exactly where, but I remember seeing 22 minutes in relation to this video. Maybe it was on gaf and total bullshit. Whatever.
-
wait, maxy.
don't dual layer 360 games run at only 8x?
-
wait, maxy.
don't dual layer 360 games run at only 8x?
That is an interesting question,drive spins at 12x no doubt,there are custom firmwares that can force drive to spin max 12x,8x,5x,2x and the drive is much quieter at 8x then normal 12x.
See this impressions(from resume saved game to game loaded in Halo 3):
12x: Load time was 27 seconds, drive rotation noise was loud and constant, seek noise was mildly noticable.
8x: Load time was 29 seconds, drive rotation noise was slightly noticable, seek noise was mildly noticable.
5x: Load time was 30 seconds, drive rotation noise was completely silent, seek noise was nearly silent.
2x: Load time was 36 seconds, drive rotation noise was completely silent, seek noise was the loudest of all.
Another question is how good the drive can read DL discs...
The video is gone,new link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gti2FAK8SqQ
There was also an interesting article(also missing) from the website that posted that video(hungarian)
Online translator said:
The first surprise the filling time understands, the machine filled the current orbit under 14 seconds GTA in 4. After we started playing it turned out quickly that it is possible to forget it henceforth the popup his concept, the filling of the structures and other objects occurs like a shot because of the achievement time of the hard disk.