THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: MCD on July 22, 2008, 01:53:12 PM
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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168931
At the Gamefest 2008 event on Tuesday, Microsoft announced that all Games for Windows Live multiplayer features are now free. These features -- including multiplayer achievements, matchmaking, cross-platform play with the Xbox 360, GFW voice chat, and more -- previously required a GFW Live Gold account. The change is effective immediately and across all GFW titles, both past and future.
In addition to making Games for Windows Live free, Microsoft will also be creating a brand new GFW marketplace this fall to rival the marketplace found on the Xbox 360. As with the Xbox Live Marketplace, GFW's will offer demos, videos, downloadable content, and more. The GFW interface will also receive some tech-friendly changes, lowering requirements for developers looking to make their games GFW compatible.
To cap off the news, two new games were revealed to be receiving the Games for Windows branding: Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II and Battlestations: Pacific. So PC gamers finally get the totally free service they've been asking for since Games for Windows launched, but is it too little, too late to save Microsoft's attempt at a PC gaming service? And will this make 360 owners question why they have to pay?
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But MS is evil?
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this is all part of the divine plan.
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But MS is evil?
GFW Live is floundering.
$50/ year vs $0/ year
If only 360 owners weren't so stupid. I admit to being part of the problem from 2003-2006, though.
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But MS is evil?
PC gaming is floundering.
true
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Pretty much.
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their shitty pay service turned into a shitty free service.
steam is still the future
and you xtards still throw too much money at them to access your multiplayer modes for them to consider making xbox online free
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Shouldn't you be Folding?
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and you xtards still throw too much money at them to access your multiplayer modes for them to consider making it free
I was maybe gonna stop paying... but then they had to whip out this Netflix thing and :-\
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Netflix is gold only? I thought you could have silver and a netflix account.
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Yup.
This movie-watching innovation will be available to Xbox LIVE® Gold members who are also Netflix subscribers, and will let those users enjoy streaming movies from Netflix on Xbox LIVE at no additional cost.
At least it's a decent reason to keep paying for live :-\
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"Microsoft then announced games for the PC"
just kidding
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Uh oh.
Xfags furious that all the features of their precious Live are now free on the superior PC platform.
Sfags furious that PC gaming now has ANOTHER free online service that simply decimates the barebones and user unfriendly PSN.
Wii users ambivalent.
PC gaming wins again.
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their shitty pay service turned into a shitty free service.
steam is still the future
and you xtards still throw too much money at them to access your multiplayer modes for them to consider making it free
as long as the competition is still inferior (psn), then I don't mind paying
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I just always found it insulting that GFW expected people to pay $50 to play Halo against other people on the PC.
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Good riddance, now maybe I can play Gears of War online again.
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Cool that they are making it free, but Steam still fucks them in every hole they have.
I just always found it insulting that GFW expected people to pay $50 to play Halo against other people on the PC.
I thought online play was free, but to have features like friends list and the such cost money.
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they are also changing the ui, guess they will use the new 360 one.
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I just always found it insulting that GFW expected people to pay $50 to play Halo against other people on the PC.
But this was never the case
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Maybe it was Halo 2 that only worked on Vista.
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You'd better watch out Zero Hero, dfyb is going to tear you up for that misconception.
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Netflix is gold only? I thought you could have silver and a netflix account.
That's wack. I also thought silver member get netflix streaming if they had netflix accounts.
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You'd better watch out Zero Hero, dfyb is going to tear you up for that misconception.
THe title is GFW goes free, so are you saying there wasn't a fee?
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Can you fucking read?
At the Gamefest 2008 event on Tuesday, Microsoft announced that all Games for Windows Live multiplayer features are now free. These features -- including multiplayer achievements, matchmaking, cross-platform play with the Xbox 360, GFW voice chat, and more -- previously required a GFW Live Gold account. The change is effective immediately and across all GFW titles, both past and future.
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:lol :lol :lol
Oh the FEATURES are now free. That makes it even more hilarious to me.
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my xbl money is getting me awesome features not found on the pathetic excuse of a service called psn. so i don't mind payin.
just think, if mgo was on xbl it wouldn't be a complete disaster.
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I just always found it insulting that GFW expected people to pay $50 to play Halo against other people on the PC.
it was free to play with PC users but it wasn't free to play with 360 users in shadowrun (the only cross platform game so far, afaik).
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this newly promoted Chris Satchell guy is also saying "DX11 is totally compatible with DX10. There's not that 9/10 discontinuity we created before."
good news.
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There's a lot of "Steam won, GFW Live is too late " style stuff going on, but it's pretty important to recognize that both services have some key differentiating factors between the two. Steam's strengths are still mostly in the FPS space-the networking stuff is very much client/server focused, whereas Xbox/GFW Live are peer-to-peer focused services that handle all of the terrible network buggery that particular approach entails. GFW has its skill-based matchmaking stuff in and ready to go now, Steam isn't set to really get it out the door before Left 4 Dead comes out. There's also the achivement/gamerscore issue, where I think GFW Live has an edge of Steam as well.
GFW Live as a networking and multiplayer infrastructure just fits some games better. That being said, Steam has the hardcore PC gamer mindshare and will continue to be the forefront player in the market.
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my xbl money is getting me awesome features
features that are now free if you happen to use the service on PC :lol
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my xbl money is getting me awesome features
features that are now free if you happen to use the service on PC :lol
Wanna play some Calling All Cars with me? I'll PM you the password to my match
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are you guys seriously trying to defend the logic that you'd gladly pay for something that is free on another platform... because it's better than another free service on another platform?
really? are you really that fucking stupid?
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There's a lot of "Steam won, GFW Live is too late " style stuff going on, but it's pretty important to recognize that both services have some key differentiating factors between the two. Steam's strengths are still mostly in the FPS space-the networking stuff is very much client/server focused, whereas Xbox/GFW Live are peer-to-peer focused services that handle all of the terrible network buggery that particular approach entails. GFW has its skill-based matchmaking stuff in and ready to go now, Steam isn't set to really get it out the door before Left 4 Dead comes out. There's also the achivement/gamerscore issue, where I think GFW Live has an edge of Steam as well.
GFW Live as a networking and multiplayer infrastructure just fits some games better. That being said, Steam has the hardcore PC gamer mindshare and will continue to be the forefront player in the market.
My main problem with Steam is that it's still too expensive. I can often find many of its games for at least $10 cheaper when they are released.
CC and Fry's have been very consistent with selling new PC games at $39.99 or less.
I"ll be using GFW more often as long as the retail versions continue to be cheaper than Steam's.
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are you guys seriously trying to defend the logic that you'd gladly pay for something that is free on another platform... because it's better than another free service on another platform?
really? are you really that fucking stupid?
I don't have a gaming PC dumbcunt, also I don't pay full price for live cards.
Are you seriously saying that PS3 online is anything but a broken mess compared to 360 or GFW or PC online as a whole? Or do you hate your PS3's online capability?
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are you guys seriously trying to defend the logic that you'd gladly pay for something that is free on another platform... because it's better than another free service on another platform?
really? are you really that fucking stupid?
I don't have a gaming PC dumbcunt, also I don't pay full price for live cards.
Are you seriously saying that PS3 online is anything but a broken mess compared to 360 or GFW or PC online as a whole? Or do you hate your PS3's online capability?
i haven't said anything about PS3 online in this thread. the only people who've brought it up are you xtards.
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glass houses etc
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I have to agree with the Stard this round.
PSN doesn't make paying for XBL OK.
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are you guys seriously trying to defend the logic that you'd gladly pay for something that is free on another platform... because it's better than another free service on another platform?
really? are you really that fucking stupid?
I don't have a gaming PC dumbcunt, also I don't pay full price for live cards.
Are you seriously saying that PS3 online is anything but a broken mess compared to 360 or GFW or PC online as a whole? Or do you hate your PS3's online capability?
i haven't said anything about PS3 online in this thread. the only people who've brought it up are you xtards.
Do you have a PC? What's your favorite PC game?
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glass houses etc
excuse me. you're talking to a PC gamer.
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They really need to make it an optional service. The GFW Live implementation in Gears was pretty damned horrible, and was afaik even the source of lost game saves.
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Do you have a PC? What's your favorite PC game?
i played games like quake and duke nukem when they were coming out, but what got me really hooked to online gaming was tribes. i also did the whole CAL thing with counter-strike. i've been to CPL and quakecon multiple times.
i was making custom counter-strike and source maps in highschool. i've worked on a few small indie PC game projects and i'm working on a new one now. back in highschool i also made a mod inside gmod9 using the Lua implementation (went that route because i have little history with c++ and i mainly made it to prototype game ideas i had for a class based CTF game--think tribes meets TFC). would playtest it with friends at lan parties -- was pretty fun. had an equipped item that let you heal yourself much like the syringe in bad company, but i had done it back in 2005. the mod was rough (again, it was just a prototype - had no plans to release it) but i'd say it was pretty impressive for being done by one person with no programming education over the course of a few months.
i've also played consoles all my life, but i've pretty much always been a PC gamer. i game a bit less on PC nowadays. PC gaming is in a weird period right now.
edit: my rich history with PC gaming doesn't seem to matter though. having an opinion in favor of sony just gets you called an sfag around here regardless. ::)
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Uh oh.
Xfags furious that all the features of their precious Live are now free on the superior PC platform.
Sfags furious that PC gaming now has ANOTHER free online service that simply decimates the barebones and user unfriendly PSN.
Wii users ambivalent.
PC gaming wins again.
draft for icon status 2008 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
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So the short version is you currently play PC less than most of the people you criticize here play PS3.
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justinp said the word tribes :bow
youre still a troll though
tribes :bow
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are you guys seriously trying to defend the logic that you'd gladly pay for something that is free on another platform... because it's better than another free service on another platform?
really? are you really that fucking stupid?
You're comparing the PC gaming market to the console gaming market and calling other people fucking stupid? I have a gaming PC, but god forbid people don't want to game on the PC. Then their only choices are $50 a year for Live (which comes in at a ridiculous $4.16 a month, if you pay full price of course) or bare bones shitty PSN.
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why is every sony apologist a supposed superstar pc gamer ???
could it be that some PC gamers recognize that sony is embracing some of the best aspects of PC gaming? like open peripheral support that lets games support kb/m and the use of just about any headset. a free, [relatively] open online network. full mod support to allow not only custom maps and player models, but full conversion mods. the ability to even install another OS on your machine and use it like a PC. and the ability to upgrade your hard drive freely without having to shell out for ridiculously priced proprietary drives.
you can contrast that with microsoft, who are doing their best to take PC games and dumb them down for their console so they can charge more for their proprietary online service and proprietary accessories.
it's really not hard to see the connection.
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why is every sony apologist a supposed superstar pc gamer ???
Yeah, wtf, stop stealing the gimmick of Evilore and Mickeyknox.
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why is every sony apologist a supposed superstar pc gamer ???
could it be that some PC gamers recognize that sony is embracing some of the best aspects of PC gaming? like open peripheral support that lets games support kb/m and the use of just about any headset. a free, [relatively] open online network. full mod support to allow not only custom maps and player models, but full conversion mods. the ability to even install another OS on your machine and use it like a PC. and the ability to upgrade your hard drive freely without having to shell out for ridiculously priced proprietary drives.
you can contrast that with microsoft, who are doing their best to take PC games and dumb them down for their console so they can charge more for their proprietary online service and proprietary accessories.
it's really not hard to see the connection.
Also, Sony is emulating the PC by not having many games on its platform.
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why is every sony apologist a supposed superstar pc gamer ???
could it be that some PC gamers recognize that sony is embracing some of the best aspects of PC gaming? like open peripheral support that lets games support kb/m and the use of just about any headset. a free, [relatively] open online network. full mod support to allow not only custom maps and player models, but full conversion mods. the ability to even install another OS on your machine and use it like a PC. and the ability to upgrade your hard drive freely without having to shell out for ridiculously priced proprietary drives.
you can contrast that with microsoft, who are doing their best to take PC games and dumb them down for their console so they can charge more for their proprietary online service and proprietary accessories.
it's really not hard to see the connection.
no self-respecting pc gamer would ever settle for the ps3's sub-360 performance. on top of that, i think you've confused "embracing" with "is totally apathetic to".
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not seeing the bad here
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http://www.xbox360achievements.org/games/PC/
Not many games to get excited over to satisfy my NEEDS
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free stuff over the internet is always good
just ask my psp
eel is correct
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no self-respecting pc gamer would ever settle for the ps3's sub-360 performance. on top of that, i think you've confused "embracing" with "is totally apathetic to".
'sub ps3 performance' only applies to mostly mediocre multiplatform titles.... which are also often on PC, thus rendering your distinguished mentally-challenged argument moot.
you seem to have the confusion with what "embrace" means -- i'll define it for you: "accept or support willingly." that's exactly what sony is doing with PS3. supporting bluetooth and usb standards just doesn't happen by accident -- it was intentional and took resources. the ps3 manual explains how to swap out your hdd and install another OS. they are absolutely embracing these things.
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Prole know what embrace means, you dummy.
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You know your games console kicks ass when you deify its instruction manual instead of your CD wallet
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you seem to have the confusion with what "embrace" means -- i'll define it for you: "accept or support willingly." that's exactly what sony is doing with PS3. supporting bluetooth and usb standards just doesn't happen by accident -- it was intentional and took resources. the ps3 manual explains how to swap out your hdd and install another OS. they are absolutely embracing these things.
no pc gamer installs another OS. that's what slashdot/digg refreshing penguin fuckers do when they aren't bitching about drm or writing bad perl code.
unless that os is another copy of windows.
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a ps3 has a dx9-class budget gpu fit for a $500 dell. in fact, a ps3 is roughly performance equivalent to a $500 dell. the 360, on the other, knows that it is a FAGGOTY CONSOLE first and foremost, and that is why true pc gamers buy one: to supplement pc gaming, not to replace it with a shitty budget model.
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also, I'm really curious to know what games would attract a PC gamer looking for pc gamer kind of games to a PS3. I'd like to play Super Stardust HD but that has nothing to do with my pc gamer preferences.
Not that the 360 is much better in appealing to PC gamers. Both are consoles, both aren't really suited to the needs of a longtime pc gamer.
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a ps3 has a dx9-class budget gpu fit for a $500 dell. in fact, a ps3 is roughly performance equivalent to a $500 dell. the 360, on the other, knows that it is a FAGGOTY CONSOLE first and foremost, and that is why true pc gamers buy one: to supplement pc gaming, not to replace it with a shitty budget model.
when PS3 'budget' system has better looking games than 360, i guess it's a pretty good budget system. and hey, PS3 isn't a ticking timebomb.
a bunch of dumbed down PC games is not a supplement to PC gaming. PS3, with games that AREN'T typically ported to PC, is a much better candidate for being a supplement to PC gaming. having many of the same benefits as PC gaming doesn't mean PS3 will replace it--it just means it carries a lot of the same benefits, which is a good thing.
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I actually do think that a PS3 is something that will compliment a PC gamer more than a 360. As someone who will bet on PC 99% of the time, I find very few exclusives on the 360 that pique my interest. I still think Dead Rising is the best game on that system. PS3 has games I wouldn't expect to find on PC, and the games that it does have that fall into a similar genre that the PC dominates, I think that they form their own niche by being incredibly arcadey and not so much on the realism aspect. An example is Warhawk. As a huge fan of the Battlefield series on PC (and not the shitty console versions), I can appreciate the game since it dumbs things down and makes everything faster for console consumption.
But I own all three consoles, both portable systems, and a PC that has only held me back from perfect when playing Crysis. I am happy with where I'm at and only speaking for those who don't have the same luxury and have to choose one or the other.
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PS3 a waste of everyone’s time.
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this is what happens when you let Sony basement virgins into the forum
learn from this willco
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when PS3 'budget' system has better looking games than 360
??? ??? ???
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no wii?
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Don't buy a PS3. Make a friend who has one, and just bum it off him. It's not like the PS3 will have games to play regularly.
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PS3 a waste of everyone’s time.
It's true. I waste so much time on the thing. I guess that really is true about all of video gaming being a waste of otherwise productive time. But let's just agree to single out the PS3.
this is what happens when you let Sony basement virgins into the forum
learn from this willco
The opposite is also true.
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no wii?
why not
:)
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a ps3 has a dx9-class budget gpu fit for a $500 dell. in fact, a ps3 is roughly performance equivalent to a $500 dell. the 360, on the other, knows that it is a FAGGOTY CONSOLE first and foremost, and that is why true pc gamers buy one: to supplement pc gaming, not to replace it with a shitty budget model.
when PS3 'budget' system has better looking games than 360, i guess it's a pretty good budget system. and hey, PS3 isn't a ticking timebomb.
a bunch of dumbed down PC games is not a supplement to PC gaming. PS3, with games that AREN'T typically ported to PC, is a much better candidate for being a supplement to PC gaming. having many of the same benefits as PC gaming doesn't mean PS3 will replace it--it just means it carries a lot of the same benefits, which is a good thing.
what better-looking games are these. my 360 seems to be getting a lot of games and genres that AREN'T on pc, whereas the ps3 is turning into generic fps console central
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Do you have a PC? What's your favorite PC game?
i played games like quake and duke nukem when they were coming out, but what got me really hooked to online gaming was tribes. i also did the whole CAL thing with counter-strike. i've been to CPL and quakecon multiple times.
i've also played consoles all my life, but i've pretty much always been a PC gamer. i game a bit less on PC nowadays. PC gaming is in a weird period right now.
You don't say? A bit less? The last game you can name is Tribes?
Tribes? no pc gamer installs another OS. that's what slashdot/digg refreshing penguin fuckers do when they aren't bitching about drm or writing bad perl code.
unless that os is another copy of windows.
:bow Windows :bow2
Edit: I impulse bought this today 5 minutes before leaving work:
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/13277
That's PC gaming. Don't you dare pretend to be a PC gamer. You sick fuck.
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I'm an avid Sony gamer, I played Final Fantasy X
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I'm an avid Sony gamer, I played Final Fantasy X
I'm a hardcore Tiger handheld fan. I had Strider.
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how does the 4870 stack up to an 8800gtx
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how does the 4870 stack up to an 8800gtx
Murderous rampage. The smaller, weaker 4850 handily slaps around the 8800.
The 9800 is the refreshed 8800 and it's specced to compete with the 4850, which it does, but for like $30-$40 more.
The 4870 fights with the G260, and beats it around the face and neck for like $30 less.
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how does the 4870 stack up to an 8800gtx
Faster in almost everything, except maybe Crysis. The main weakness of the 4870 is that it only has 512 mb ram, which might be a limiting factor in some games at 1920x1200 and beyond.
You might want to wait for the 4870x2. It's supposed to be $500-600, have 2gbs of ram (1gb frame buffer in actuality) and almost as fast as 2 280 GTXes.
280 GTX is still the fastest single GPU card but it's losing badly to ATI's new cards in terms of value.
Do you have a PC? What's your favorite PC game?
i played games like quake and duke nukem when they were coming out, but what got me really hooked to online gaming was tribes. i also did the whole CAL thing with counter-strike. i've been to CPL and quakecon multiple times.
i've also played consoles all my life, but i've pretty much always been a PC gamer. i game a bit less on PC nowadays. PC gaming is in a weird period right now.
You don't say? A bit less? The last game you can name is Tribes?
Tribes? no pc gamer installs another OS. that's what slashdot/digg refreshing penguin fuckers do when they aren't bitching about drm or writing bad perl code.
unless that os is another copy of windows.
:bow Windows :bow2
Edit: I impulse bought this today 5 minutes before leaving work:
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/13277
That's PC gaming. Don't you dare pretend to be a PC gamer. You sick fuck.
Bu bu but, your GPU only has 1 core!
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i'm an led badass, i had that tabletop mini-arcade galaga
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how does the 4870 stack up to an 8800gtx
Faster in almost everything, except maybe Crysis.
I'll show you one core.
(http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17129.png)
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No doubt the 4870 is an awesome card. I was mocking the fools that think the power of the Cell can overcome anything.
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No doubt the 4870 is an awesome card. I was mocking the fools that think the power of the Cell can overcome anything.
I think it actually has like 800... something? I don't know but there's a lot of them and they're supposed to be pretty great.
I just wanted to make clear that 4870>>>>>>8800. They're not even in the same tier. 8800 is basically yesterday's news, you gots to be buying 9800s now.
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9800 GTX has less ram and less bandwidth though, which makes it slower at 1920x1200 than the 8800 GTX. It makes no sense since almost all high end PC gamers play at 1920x1200 nowadays.
The potential of the 4870x2 is amazing. Did you read this article?
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUzMiwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
The power of 2 4870x2 would be so awesome if they could get rid of the typical latency problems that plague quad-gpu setups.
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4870x2 will be a beast, hopefully. ATI seems to still have some driver issues with Crossfire. There's benchies floating around of a single 260 beating an X2 in some games. I think Crysis is the only one (but of course, it's THE game to tax high end GPUs...)
Anyway, I don't think the 8800GT, in any form, has the horsepower to push acceptable frames at 1920. It may have the bandwidth, but that doesn't mean a whole lot if the hertz saturating that bandwidth can't keep up.
It's irrelevant to me, anyway, since I rock a 1680x1050 monitor. I'm just gonna crank AA and AF 8)
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let's talk about those tabletop mini-arcade games, they were pretty awesome
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They will. Playing cross-platform will be a key selling point going forward, $300 or less beats new computer prices. Mark my words!
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Do you have a PC? What's your favorite PC game?
i played games like quake and duke nukem when they were coming out, but what got me really hooked to online gaming was tribes. i also did the whole CAL thing with counter-strike. i've been to CPL and quakecon multiple times.
i've also played consoles all my life, but i've pretty much always been a PC gamer. i game a bit less on PC nowadays. PC gaming is in a weird period right now.
You don't say? A bit less? The last game you can name is Tribes?
Tribes?
why is it that so many people on this forum are incapable of proper reading comprehension? this shit isn't hard :lol. becase, actually, the last game i named was garry's mod. however, the games listed were used to explain my past with no implication that those were the last PC games i've played. i'm not going to write out a long list of all the PC games i've been playing for the past 10 years (http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/cran.gif).
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i wish the console competition wasn't so feeble in the online space, that way MS might feel the need to match the competition by making XBL free.
Alas, it's so weak that MS don't feel the need to respond :(
only thing that will make them respond is a decline in gold subscribers. if gold subscriber numbers continue to grow, it doesn't matter what any competition is doing. that, or they find an alternative way to make even more money off the multiplayer-tax-loving xbox population.
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Disingenuous Sfag. Just admit you are no PC gamer. Admit it. You advocate the PC platform as a fifth column in your war on the Xbox.
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Disingenuous Sfag. Just admit you are no PC gamer. Admit it. You advocate the PC platform as a fifth column in your war on the Xbox.
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As I thought. Tribes.
I mean who needs an Xbox 360 when you have a PS3 and an overclocked Amiga in the basement. You wretched thing. You pitiful beast.
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"But I played that there 'Tribes' all the time, especially using the Mongoose and Dingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_Aerial_Assault)!"
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"But I played that there 'Tribes' all the time, especially using the Mongoose and Dingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_Aerial_Assault)!"
played that quite a bit
inevitable entertainment :bow
ricochet :bow
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"But I played that there 'Tribes' all the time, especially using the Mongoose and Dingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_Aerial_Assault)!"
played that quite a bit
inevitable entertainment :bow
ricochet :bow
:piss dividing the tribes 2 community and abandoning the pc side :piss2
:piss tribes on consoles :piss2
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"But I played that there 'Tribes' all the time, especially using the Mongoose and Dingo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_Aerial_Assault)!"
played that quite a bit
inevitable entertainment :bow
ricochet :bow
:piss dividing the tribes 2 community and abandoning the pc side :piss2
:piss tribes on consoles :piss2
the t:aa community was the definition of awesome. I could explain the whole history of that community from day one, good people. its what got me into forums and irc shit
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Good for MS but I still really don't give a shit about GFWL.
Perhaps Dawn of War 2 will push me over the edge and finally use it.
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Please. You'll buy DOW2 and use GFWL.
This is how things work. A compelling game has become tied to the service. So you must use the service. Perhaps it will be shit (but worse than Gamespy? I wonder if it's possible) Perhaps it won't, and if so, excellent.
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would be nice if they made it a worthwhile competitor to steam
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i never played the ps2 tribes. dynamix didn't even do that game. though some ex-dynamix guys worked on fallen legions.
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how does the 4870 stack up to an 8800gtx
Faster in almost everything, except maybe Crysis.
I'll show you one core.
(http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/atiradeonhd4870_062408145208/17129.png)
yeah when i saw that chart i was like
'......wtf green team'
truly embarrasing
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Yeah I'm positive when the release of DoW2 rolls around I'll get over my anger towards GFWL. Being free is a good start, but MS needs to prove to me the services worthiness over time. I was resistant towards Steam at first as well, but Valve on me over.
Oh and the mention of Starsiege Tribes still gives me that nostalgic feeling of awesome. There are still technically more proficient shooters out now, but pound for pound the amount of fun in Tribes is still unmatched. I need to try the web based spiritual sequel, but I forget the name at the moment.
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Legions.
I'm in the beta. It's fun. I was never a huge Tribes guy, though (I know, I know...)