THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2008, 12:29:18 AM
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http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809/hillary-clinton-campaign
I've been waiting for a heavy piece on the Clinton campaign for some time. I have my tea and ginger snap cookies: time to dig in :o
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Yeah, sounds great...
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I read The Atlantic from time to time. Where do they fall on the left-right political sectrum?
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I read The Atlantic from time to time. Where do they fall on the left-right political sectrum?
They swing to the Left, but not as hard as Harper's and certainly not as hard as TNR or something. Sometimes I'm surprised but how right Atlantic tends to wander.
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Good stuff. Her "ready to lead on day one" line always seemed a bit funny when she was doing such a poor job of running a campaign.
I'd love to see a similar examination of the Obama campaign.
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Good stuff. Her "ready to lead on day one" line always seemed a bit funny when she was doing such a poor job of running a campaign.
I'd love to see a similar examination of the Obama campaign.
I remember hearing a documentary was being shot on Obama at the beginning of the campaign, and which will carry through to the November election. I dunno if it'll be a War Room like doc or more of a "follow the candidate" type doc but I can't wait to see it. And I'd love to read more insider stuff on his campaign; a few months ago Time did a piece on his inner circle which was cool
Finished the Hillary article last night; haven't looked through all the memos/emails yet. It really paints an unflattering portrait of her caught in the headlights: unable to make leadership decisions until it was cram time, which of course led to many of the public (and private) blowups.
On paper a lot of their decisions make sense - painting her as the middle class champion of "invisible" demographics like women - but in the end it seemed like they were changing message every month depending on the state: blue collar everyday woman in Ohio, centrist in Indiana, chugging beers in Penn., etc.
Another striking thing: the complete overlooking of Obama early on, and the lack of any ground game. The strategy was essentially stay alive in Iowa/NH, blow out the competition on Super Tuesday, clinch nomination in March. Penn's take on Obama is pretty telling; seems like he was the first in the camp to sow the "unelectable" seeds over Obama. Whoops.
Interesting how the two candidates who carefully schemed and planned long before the campaign began were invalidated by a guy who made a last minute decision to run...and still managed to run a spectacular campaign
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I read The Atlantic from time to time. Where do they fall on the left-right political sectrum?
They swing to the Left, but not as hard as Harper's and certainly not as hard as TNR or something. Sometimes I'm surprised but how right Atlantic tends to wander.
Yeah, its really hard to tell for me. They have some great articles from time to time. Plus I really liked Sullivan before he became an Obamaniac.
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Clinton was just an overall terrible candidate, but I tend to agree with the view that her vote on Iraq, and lack of an apology for it, was what sealed the deal.
What in the hell happened to her in those Mountain states?
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I read The Atlantic from time to time. Where do they fall on the left-right political sectrum?
They swing to the Left, but not as hard as Harper's and certainly not as hard as TNR or something. Sometimes I'm surprised but how right Atlantic tends to wander.
Yeah, its really hard to tell for me. They have some great articles from time to time. Plus I really liked Sullivan before he became an Obamaniac.
so did I, and I disagreed with almost everything he believed when he was a crazy self-loathing gay Republican
but at least then he was an original, ya know
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I don't care whether it is a woman or a black man. Just something other than another rich old white fuck. I also find it somewhat comical that America would rather a black man over a white woman. Strides... we've made strides.
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really great, thanks
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I don't care whether it is a woman or a black man. Just something other than another rich old white fuck. I also find it somewhat comical that America would rather a black man over a white woman. Strides... we've made strides.
i think it's not A white woman but THAT white woman that was the issue