THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: mojovonio on August 14, 2008, 07:01:31 PM

Title: NPDNESS
Post by: mojovonio on August 14, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
HW
DS 608k
Wii 555k
Playstation 3 225k
PSP 222k
Xbox 360 205k
Playstation 2 155k

Top 10 SW
360 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 397.6K
WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA MAY 2008 369.6K
NDS GUITAR HERO: ON TOUR ACTIVISION JUNE 2008 309.7K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 284K
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 242.5K
360 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 218.9K
WII MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA APRIL 2008 174.5K
WII ROCK BAND SPECIAL ED BUNDLE MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS JUNE 2008 165.8K
PS3 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 155.8K
360 SID MEIER'S CIVILIZATION REVOLUTION TAKE 2 INT. CORP. JULY 2008 147.6K

 :lol :lol MS
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Jansen on August 14, 2008, 07:06:50 PM
damn even with a fire sale they got pwned.

anyways good to see scvi make the top 10.

i'm shocked that the 360 version sold better then the ps3 version. truly shocked.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: TVC15 on August 14, 2008, 07:11:33 PM
The 360 a sinking ship? Seems so.

This strategy of no real price cuts, plus adding more storage to justify not dropping price is going to kill the 360.  It's just a stupid strategy.  The filthy masses care more about the price than how big the hard drive is.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 14, 2008, 07:15:32 PM
Supposedly that 60 gig is going to drop in price to $299 at the end of September

Pro system needs to be $250 at this point, three years in
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 07:16:23 PM
without a MGS4 every month, PS3 is doooooooomed
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2008, 07:17:12 PM
Where's FFIV  :'(
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Fragamemnon on August 14, 2008, 07:17:40 PM
Not terrible showing for CivRev given that the PS3 version probably wasn't too far behind. It'll still sell about a quarter of what Civ4 sold on the PC when all is said and done, though.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 14, 2008, 07:18:07 PM
ps3 is selling because of blu ray, still the best buy for a player out there

it isn't coming down in price any time soon, either - aren't they still losing close to $200 on every unit?

if people were buying ps3 for the games, ps3 games would be, uh, selling
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Crushed on August 14, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
Where's FFIV  :'(

On the moon.


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Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 14, 2008, 07:19:39 PM
Where's FFIV  :'(

In the garbage, where it should be
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: TVC15 on August 14, 2008, 07:21:25 PM
The 360 a sinking ship? Seems so.

This strategy of no real price cuts, plus adding more storage to justify not dropping price is going to kill the 360.  It's just a stupid strategy.  The filthy masses care more about the price than how big the hard drive is.

Then why is the PS3 selling?

Sorry, I shouldn't have said this is solely MS's problem--it's Sony's, too.

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 07:21:58 PM
ps3 is selling because of blu ray, still the best buy for a player out there

it isn't coming down in price any time soon, either - aren't they still losing close to $200 on every unit?

if people were buying ps3 for the games, ps3 games would be, uh, selling
360 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 218.9K
PS3 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 155.8K

360 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 397.6K
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 242.5K

LTD in US:
360 10.67 mil
PS3 5.081 mil

i don't see how you can claim ps3 users aren't buying games.  
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 14, 2008, 07:22:49 PM
ps3 is selling because of blu ray, still the best buy for a player out there

it isn't coming down in price any time soon, either - aren't they still losing close to $200 on every unit?

if people were buying ps3 for the games, ps3 games would be, uh, selling

Its not that they're not selling, its just that they're not selling as much as 360 games.

it's what they're depending on for profit from the system, though, so it still has to be a bit troubling to them
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 14, 2008, 07:24:40 PM
ps3 is selling because of blu ray, still the best buy for a player out there

it isn't coming down in price any time soon, either - aren't they still losing close to $200 on every unit?

if people were buying ps3 for the games, ps3 games would be, uh, selling
360 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 218.9K
PS3 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 155.8K

360 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 397.6K
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 242.5K

LTD in US:
360 10.67 mil
PS3 5.081 mil

i don't see how you can claim ps3 users aren't buying games.  

they are buying select games, yes, but they are nowhere near the attach rate of 360, and that's where the money is
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 14, 2008, 07:25:44 PM
i just realized i don't give a fuck about any of this

shrug
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 14, 2008, 07:33:32 PM
I don't follow these number things too much, but why would people buy buying a 360 in July? preparing for Braid or Too Human? hell no.  I think this month, or more in October, the sales will be huge.  Gears 2 will be a monster seller.

And seeing the gaf thread, I can't help but get confused again by this huge ass Star Trek gif.  Is it because I don't watch Star Trek that I don't understand why it is funny?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2008, 07:36:09 PM
Damn, MGS4 died. Year of the PS3 continues.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 07:37:17 PM
i think there's an okay chance MGS4 would be on the list if they included the bundled software. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2008, 07:37:24 PM
Next gen gaming limps onward!
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Crushed on August 14, 2008, 07:38:43 PM
i think there's an okay chance MGS4 would be on the list if they included the bundled software. 
Nah, it'd be pushed down because then Wii Sports would be on the list.  ::)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 07:40:33 PM
i think there's an okay chance MGS4 would be on the list if they included the bundled software. 
Nah, it'd be pushed down because then Wii Sports would be on the list.  ::)
probably.  totally forgot they were still bundling wii sports.  longest bundle ever? 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 14, 2008, 07:48:52 PM
Man, just think how PS3 might be doing if there was more quality software available for it.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 14, 2008, 07:50:38 PM
I'm about to buy a PS3, which will be primarily used to play bluray movies. So +1
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 07:52:17 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl @ MGS4 "sales"
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 07:55:51 PM
People who want to buy 360's are in vacation..
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: archie4208 on August 14, 2008, 08:04:15 PM
Sony needs to have a LBP bundle.  It'll make PS3s FLY OFF SHELVES (and give me a reason to buy a PS3).
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 08:05:55 PM
What a flop for Metal Gear. Snake Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 08:07:11 PM
:lol natives are getting upset at the hive when you mention MGS4
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Draft on August 14, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
I think it's probably good for gaming that a reasonably priced PS3 is beating the Xbox 360. Good for gaming's future.

It's also good for gaming's future that MGS4 has disappeared from the charts worldwide. We don't need more stuff like that being made.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 08:11:11 PM
:lol natives are getting upset at the hive when you mention MGS4


yes pilon you are the master of spinning

because Metal Gear uncharting is spin.  :lol
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Tucah on August 14, 2008, 08:11:26 PM
Good for the PS3, beating the 360.

:rofl at MGS4 dropping.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 14, 2008, 08:11:53 PM
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Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 08:15:16 PM
Good for the PS3, beating the 360.

:rofl at MGS4 dropping.

PS3 MOMENTUM IS RISING

ONLY 20 YEARS AND THEY WILL HAVE CAUGHT UP :hyper
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Tucah on August 14, 2008, 08:22:56 PM
Good for the PS3, beating the 360.

:rofl at MGS4 dropping.

PS3 MOMENTUM IS RISING

ONLY 20 YEARS AND THEY WILL HAVE CAUGHT UP :hyper

PS3 TEN YEAR LIFECYCLE >> 360 FIVE YEAR
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Rman on August 14, 2008, 08:27:03 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 08:28:01 PM
i don't expect PS3 to ever really start closing the gap until the PS3 is more competitively priced with 360 (if that's possible).  but the fact that the +$100 PS3 "with no games" (:lol) has been pretty consistently outselling 360 for 2008 is pretty impressive for PS3.  unless sony drops price, i expect 360 to take back the NPDs this fall, but that could very well turn right back around in early-mid 2009.  

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 08:29:05 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
i just find it funny that MGS4 was supposed to not move any hardware...  and then it was dubbed as the only thing holding PS3 sales up...  and yet PS3 hardware is still selling without MGS4 sales. 

(http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/bore.gif)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 14, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
An awful lot of gloating in that thread for a 280k YTD lead in sales.

MGS4 not making the top ten isn't surprising in the least. Its got the hardcore following and that's about it.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the 360 is still $350 at the end of the year. MS isn't going to lose boatloads of money on their system this time around. And with the entertainment division losing money last quarter I highly doubt we'll see a price drop - especially when they're roughly equal in sales to Sony. They're banking on GoW2 and F2 to push the system at that price point.

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2008, 08:47:24 PM
Haven't been following along, but did the 360 have a price drop recently or no?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
A price cut will come the month that Avatars will come out.

Bank on that.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 08:48:28 PM
Haven't been following along, but did the 360 have a price drop recently or no?

20Gig SKU dropped 50 bucks its not a price cut more like clearing of channels pre a new sku ala price drops before PS3 40 Gig or PSPPhat dropping in price before PSP Slim
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
i just find it funny that MGS4 was supposed to not move any hardware...  and then it was dubbed as the only thing holding PS3 sales up...  and yet PS3 hardware is still selling without MGS4 sales. 

(http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/bore.gif)

The console is selling like shit.

Are you on crack or something?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: siamesedreamer on August 14, 2008, 08:51:12 PM
Didn't see the rumor about the about the 360 price drop. $200 for the arcade? What about the other versions?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 14, 2008, 08:52:09 PM
What on earth do summer doldrums NPDs tell us when Soul Calibur and NCAA Football are the biggest games? I haven't bought a game since Ninja Gaiden II, personally.

As to why MS is taking so long with the price cuts: I think they were suckered by the sales of the Elite (which was expected to bomb by the GAF hivemind, IIRC). They thought, damn, this thing is selling 'cause of the bigger HDD, let's keep fucking with the storage and maybe we can keep the price high! In reality, it was probably just that demand for the console was high at the time and that most buyers probably didn't much care which version they got so long as it played Gears/Halo 3 etc. Ooops!
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 08:57:50 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
i just find it funny that MGS4 was supposed to not move any hardware...  and then it was dubbed as the only thing holding PS3 sales up...  and yet PS3 hardware is still selling without MGS4 sales. 

(http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/bore.gif)

The console is selling like shit.

Are you on crack or something?
u mad? 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 08:58:32 PM
Didn't see the rumor about the about the 360 price drop. $200 for the arcade? What about the other versions?
50 bucks each i think
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: archie4208 on August 14, 2008, 08:59:58 PM
Didn't see the rumor about the about the 360 price drop. $200 for the arcade? What about the other versions?

Rumor was $200 arcade, $300 pro, $400 elite.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Bocsius on August 14, 2008, 09:02:39 PM
Forgot today was NPD day.

 :lol at Microsoft
Uh, keep "catching up," Sony
 :bow Wii :bow2
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 14, 2008, 09:03:59 PM
It is becoming more apparent each month that MS does not care about market share. The 360 is months overdue for a price drop
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Bocsius on August 14, 2008, 09:04:31 PM
More like years.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 14, 2008, 09:08:53 PM
GOOD JON MGS4
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 14, 2008, 09:10:50 PM
I'm a broken record .. but since the first month PS3 "beat" 360 (March?), it's all insignificant until the holiday season. That will be the deciding factor in who won the year and who will be the HD leader going forward.

I still feel the Sony brand resonates among the "value gamers" (read as: blacks and poors). Right now, it's a race to 199. Whoever gets there first, has the best chance of winning. MS could have done it .. but they value profit over winning fanboy wars.

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 09:12:39 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
i just find it funny that MGS4 was supposed to not move any hardware...  and then it was dubbed as the only thing holding PS3 sales up...  and yet PS3 hardware is still selling without MGS4 sales. 

(http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/bore.gif)

The console is selling like shit.

Are you on crack or something?
u mad? 

Yes i am. The console should be selling a average of >300k month by now, and the month after Mgs4 releases it's back to low 200k. Meanwhile the wii is blazing.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: trh on August 14, 2008, 09:14:23 PM
this is so gay
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 09:16:31 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
i just find it funny that MGS4 was supposed to not move any hardware...  and then it was dubbed as the only thing holding PS3 sales up...  and yet PS3 hardware is still selling without MGS4 sales. 

(http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/bore.gif)

The console is selling like shit.

Are you on crack or something?
u mad? 

Yes i am. The console should be selling a average of >300k month by now, and the month after Mgs4 releases it's back to low 200k. Meanwhile the wii is blazing.
guess the 360 is really in trouble then. 

i hope you're not being serious.  because i'm not. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Crushed on August 14, 2008, 09:17:43 PM
You know, I remember sometime around last year people calculated that if Nintendo was suddenly wiped out and the Wii just stopped selling (like, 0 Wiis were ever sold after that moment), then it would still take until like 2012 for the PS3 to even match it at its current rate.

I wonder what that's like now.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 09:25:52 PM
Not surprised about MGS4.  The game doesn't really have any replay value, FOR ME.
i just find it funny that MGS4 was supposed to not move any hardware...  and then it was dubbed as the only thing holding PS3 sales up...  and yet PS3 hardware is still selling without MGS4 sales. 

(http://upload.dfyb.net/uploaded/bore.gif)

The console is selling like shit.

Are you on crack or something?
u mad? 

Yes i am. The console should be selling a average of >300k month by now, and the month after Mgs4 releases it's back to low 200k. Meanwhile the wii is blazing.
guess the 360 is really in trouble then. 

i hope you're not being serious.  because i'm not. 

The 360 sold 20k less than the PS3. To me, they are in the same situation, and i am being serious. They are selling like shit.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 09:31:52 PM
Quote
The 360 sold 20k less than the PS3. To me, they are in the same situation, and i am being serious. They are selling like shit.

this basically.

PS3 is selling marginally less shittily (to the tune of 200k this last year (the year of the PS3)), but is the TRAILING console. If anything these figures are worse news for Sony: in their own touted "Year of PS3" the best they can hope for is to claw back 200k of 5m or so? eek.

And it's not like they seem ready to have a brilliant fall either. If the 360 trashes the Ps3 again this fall like it did last fall then, these 20k a month won't do Sony any good.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 09:33:24 PM
this epic bomb of Uncharted: Snakes Misfortunes doesn't bode well for LBP either :lol
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Bocsius on August 14, 2008, 09:33:59 PM
The PS3 numbers are wow because it is $200 more expensive than the 360.

At least, that's what they're saying on other internets.

$200.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 14, 2008, 09:34:18 PM
this is so gay

You started it
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 14, 2008, 09:36:51 PM
I would not say that the 360's fall lineup is absolutely stellar either. It will be interesting to see how the 360 and PS3 fare when their fall lineups are ok-ish.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 09:39:21 PM
I would not say that the 360's fall lineup is absolutely stellar either. It will be interesting to see how the 360 and PS3 fare when their fall lineups are ok-ish.

It has big names at least.

Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 09:44:31 PM
Viva Pinata :heartbeat
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 14, 2008, 09:47:32 PM
It has big names at least.

It's true, but I still think that LBP is a bit of a wild card and could go either way (i.e. bomba or megaton). I am pretty sure that Fable and Gears are more middle of the road as far as sales volatility is concerned and will both sell well.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 09:52:55 PM
I would not say that the 360's fall lineup is absolutely stellar either. It will be interesting to see how the 360 and PS3 fare when their fall lineups are ok-ish.

It has big names at least.

Gears of War 2
Fable 2
..fable 1 sold about as well as motorstorm and resistance did (which also have sequels coming this holiday).  gears is the only guaranteed big game.  i still think 360 will take back NPD this holiday unless sony cuts price, but it's not like 360's lineup is much stronger. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 09:54:38 PM
I would not say that the 360's fall lineup is absolutely stellar either. It will be interesting to see how the 360 and PS3 fare when their fall lineups are ok-ish.

It has big names at least.

Gears of War 2
Fable 2
..fable 1 sold about as well as motorstorm and resistance (which also have sequels coming this holiday).  gears is the only guaranteed big game. 

Fable sold over a million units in the US alone on Xbox, have Motorstorm/Resistance done that?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 09:56:29 PM
I would not say that the 360's fall lineup is absolutely stellar either. It will be interesting to see how the 360 and PS3 fare when their fall lineups are ok-ish.

It has big names at least.

Gears of War 2
Fable 2
..fable 1 sold about as well as motorstorm and resistance (which also have sequels coming this holiday).  gears is the only guaranteed big game. 

Fable sold over a million units in the US alone on Xbox, have Motorstorm/Resistance done that?
probably.  their worldwide sales are roughly even. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 14, 2008, 10:04:42 PM
ITT: plenty of xtards spinning like crazy, NeoGAF stard style. It's alright, dudes.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 10:05:26 PM
:lol spinning what? equally pathetic ps3 sales and the non-event of MGS4? :dur
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 14, 2008, 10:09:48 PM
:lol spinning what? equally pathetic ps3 sales

That right there. Arguing that things are equal, when in reality they are not, that's your common loser spin. Throwing in "just you wait until [future event]", that's the NeoGAF stard style. If it wasn't obvious already that all HD console fanboys were equal berries hanging off of separate hairs in the same anal region, well then it certainly is now.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 14, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
ITT: plenty of xtards spinning like crazy, NeoGAF stard style. It's alright, dudes.


Go on, tell us the spin-free TRUTH about why the 360 is doing so badly. I bet you can't come up with any substantial reason that hasn't already been posted ITT.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 14, 2008, 10:19:09 PM
200k in a 'pricedrop' month? WOW. so begins the long, shrill slide to last place -- ps3 is a failure too, so your agony will be protracted
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 10:24:40 PM
:lol spinning what? equally pathetic ps3 sales

That right there. Arguing that things are equal, when in reality they are not, that's your common loser spin. Throwing in "just you wait until [future event]", that's the NeoGAF stard style. If it wasn't obvious already that all HD console fanboys were equal berries hanging off of separate hairs in the same anal region, well then it certainly is now.


How are they not?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 14, 2008, 10:26:30 PM
:lol spinning what? equally pathetic ps3 sales

That right there. Arguing that things are equal, when in reality they are not, that's your common loser spin. Throwing in "just you wait until [future event]", that's the NeoGAF stard style. If it wasn't obvious already that all HD console fanboys were equal berries hanging off of separate hairs in the same anal region, well then it certainly is now.


Aren't you that dude that spent the whole e3 damage controlling? Yeah it was you. I read it on my cellphone, often friends would ask me why i was laughing, i always said "Just some dumbass"
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 14, 2008, 10:28:29 PM
why aren't things equal then?

Sales for both systems are pathetic, if one was to look at where the Wii is at. But they are not equally pathetic, and have not been equally pathetic for most of this year. Attempting to argue that they are is something only the loser would do. The 360 even had an even greater price advantage than it typically has had, and certainly it has a games library advantage, so I guess that market has just plain been saturated.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Brehvolution on August 14, 2008, 10:31:34 PM
*fuck, why am I doing this*

Typical NPD thread. Xfags are all," PS3 still fucking sucks and only sold x amount more... (:lol) we had year head start and still lead! " "I contributed 1 to NPD for the 360 2 years ago but I still care who sells more now..." ::) Of course xfags outnumber the sfags here so the spin is compounded. It is so unfortunate to also hear that the only important software that is coming out by Xmas is fable and gears. ::)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 14, 2008, 10:33:02 PM
It is so unfortunate to also here that the only important software that is coming out by Xmas is fable and gears. ::)

Very sfagesque. Wait Until ℠
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 14, 2008, 10:34:43 PM
Go on, tell us the spin-free TRUTH about why the 360 is doing so badly. I bet you can't come up with any substantial reason that hasn't already been posted ITT.

how about 'because nobody anywhere in the world wants one'

did we do that one already

look on the bright side: when 360 goes dreamcast, you can stockpile a bunch of cheap rrod backups, so you'll always be able to revisit the stellar games that drove 360's intentional, premeditated, wildly successful campaign to target only the hardcore and finish in last. like...uh...saints row, or crackdown or something
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 10:35:22 PM
why aren't things equal then?

Sales for both systems are pathetic, if one was to look at where the Wii is at. But they are not equally pathetic, and have not been equally pathetic for most of this year. Attempting to argue that they are is something only the loser would do. The 360 even had an even greater price advantage than it typically has had, and certainly it has a games library advantage, so I guess that market has just plain been saturated.


The difference this year is negliggable. 20k this month is really something to praise?  

in the end though Microsofts Xbox 360 is profitable. Sonys PS3 is not.  Microsoft has no problems loosing to Sony by 20k or so each month when they make money  and the other company isnt. When they still sell more software, and they still have a lead that if it continues at this trend will take many years for it to evaporate. So yeah if anything its alot more shittyer for sony. Sfags just dont understand the buisness side of it. Thats two decades of winning the gen that does that to you
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Brehvolution on August 14, 2008, 10:40:26 PM
It is so unfortunate to also here that the only important software that is coming out by Xmas is fable and gears. ::)

Very sfagesque. Wait Until ℠
Thank you.  :)

 Wait until what though? LBP? R2? M2? SOCOM? All is scheduled to be out by xmas.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 14, 2008, 10:41:27 PM
BOOO YOU GUYS

(http://i34.tinypic.com/bfg9zn.jpg)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 10:42:17 PM
BOOO YOU GUYS

(http://i34.tinypic.com/bfg9zn.jpg)

Good Jon on the Kagari bit at Gaf
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Bocsius on August 14, 2008, 10:44:16 PM
Arguing over the top games this holiday.  ::) Which sucks worse, PS3 or 360.  ::)

They're both nigh irrelevant, so what's the point in bickering?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 14, 2008, 10:44:25 PM
Go on, tell us the spin-free TRUTH about why the 360 is doing so badly. I bet you can't come up with any substantial reason that hasn't already been posted ITT.

how about 'because nobody anywhere in the world wants one'

did we do that one already

look on the bright side: when 360 goes dreamcast, you can stockpile a bunch of cheap rrod backups, so you'll always be able to revisit the stellar games that drove 360's intentional, premeditated, wildly successful campaign to target only the hardcore and finish in last. like...uh...saints row, or crackdown or something

wow, no spin in this post AT ALL
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2008, 10:46:22 PM
BOOO YOU GUYS

(http://i34.tinypic.com/bfg9zn.jpg)

startrek.gif

Is this thread awesome now?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Brehvolution on August 14, 2008, 10:50:43 PM
why aren't things equal then?

Sales for both systems are pathetic, if one was to look at where the Wii is at. But they are not equally pathetic, and have not been equally pathetic for most of this year. Attempting to argue that they are is something only the loser would do. The 360 even had an even greater price advantage than it typically has had, and certainly it has a games library advantage, so I guess that market has just plain been saturated.


The difference this year is negliggable. 20k this month is really something to praise? 

in the end though Microsofts Xbox 360 is profitable. Sonys PS3 is not.  Microsoft has no problems loosing to Sony by 20k or so each month when they make money  and the other company isnt. When they still sell more software, and they still have a lead that if it continues at this trend will take many years for it to evaporate. So yeah if anything its alot more shittyer for sony. Sfags just dont understand the buisness side of it. Thats two decades of winning the gen that does that to you
Obviously, xfags can't understand the business side either. Thanks for setting the true war relying on 1st party games. What is it? Sony's 15 to MS's 2? It will definitely take  a lot of battles for the PS3 to win the war, and they have been winning a lot. The war isn't won and lost in a year or even 3.

I don't even care as I'll have a 360 for F2 and then gears2. It doesn't matter who wins, but I know I'll win as a gamer regardless.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 14, 2008, 10:59:52 PM
this thread started off ok, then you guys just shat it up.

Evilfaqs.

You were expecting maybe a Socratic dialog? Innovative regression analysis of the raw data? Please. You don't start an NPD thread and expect not to see a few fireworks.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Draft on August 14, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
No he's right, look at them.

S and X distinguished effete fellows fighting like animals. No, worse than animals. At least an animal is pure in its behavior.

The worst of the super fans hide their venom behind detached analysis. Their posts are the most disgusting of all.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mupepe on August 14, 2008, 11:13:50 PM
I hate this fucking thread every month.   :-\
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2008, 11:21:42 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 14, 2008, 11:24:39 PM
Yeah, I don't know what all the argument is about here.  I put in my opinion that there was no good reason to buy an Xbox in July, so I'm not surprised it didn't sell.  I don't know what all the bickering is about in this thread now.

If the Xbox sells more, then good for us; if the PS3 sells well, then again, good for us.  The only real shit worth getting pissed about is that Wii Music is going to move more consoles than Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Fable 2, etc... combined.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 14, 2008, 11:30:35 PM
:-\

It's ok baby. I'm not like them.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 14, 2008, 11:34:06 PM
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Wii Music is going to move more consoles than Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Fable 2, etc... combined.

i am calling it - Wii Music will bomb.


So which bombs worse, Wii Music, LBP or new Viva Pinata?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 14, 2008, 11:37:25 PM
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Wii Music is going to move more consoles than Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Fable 2, etc... combined.

i am calling it - Wii Music will bomb.


Wii owners bought 160k copies of a gimped Rock Band.  So yeah i think it will do ok.

Though i wonder if they will simply package it with a Wiimote ala Wii Play.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 14, 2008, 11:38:02 PM
All this venom over whose favorite company will end up in 2nd place?   ::)

The only good thing that came out of this thread is that all the fanboys came out of their closets.  
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 14, 2008, 11:40:05 PM
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Wii Music is going to move more consoles than Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Fable 2, etc... combined.

i am calling it - Wii Music will bomb.


So which bombs worse, Wii Music, LBP or new Viva Pinata?
i bet sales are as follows:

wii music>LBP>viva

though i hope that wii music won't have legs once people realize how pitifully distinguished mentally-challenged it is. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2008, 11:43:14 PM
Quote
Wii Music is going to move more consoles than Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Fable 2, etc... combined.

i am calling it - Wii Music will bomb.


So, sub 5 Million sales for Wii Music?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 14, 2008, 11:46:46 PM
i am calling it - Wii Music will bomb.

I think you underestimate the average gaming habits of a Wii owner, but we shall see.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2008, 11:49:08 PM
I didn't read too much of the thread but my thoughts:

- Microsoft needs to drop the price.  PS3 is still expensive but it has had price cuts.  360 has had almost none.  I understand Microsoft wanting the 360 to be in the black but you have to maintain hardware momentum to continue the software momentum.  Even 360 software sales are lacking the strength they did in 2006 and 2007.  If Microsoft continues their strategy, soon, they will be barely above the PS3 version sales.  Then the 360 software sales will begin to slump behind the PS3.  This might mean taking a little more loss on their systems but no more special editions, no more altering hard drives.  Cut the price.  Clean.  Simple.

- Wii Music will sell a shit ton because not everyone just cares about rock music.  It will tap demographics that Rock Band and Guitar Hero are not reaching.  I'm sure it will do worse than Wii Play or Wii Fit but it will still sell several million copies because the Wii base (soccer moms) will buy whatever shit is on the posters when you walk into Wal Mart or Target (pronounced Tar-Zhea)

- PS3 fans should not declare victory yet.  US sales are only half of the 360 and that is still 5 million.  Selling 20,000 more units a month, the PS3 will never catch up.  It needs to be a good solid 50k+ more a month than the 360 before you guys start shooting loads in your pants about how the PS3 will dominate.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 14, 2008, 11:49:49 PM
I have some friends who have Wiis and love Wii Sports and Wii Fit. I told them about Wii Music and they were utterly dumbfounded as to why people would like it.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 14, 2008, 11:55:43 PM
Yeah, I don't know what all the argument is about here.  I put in my opinion that there was no good reason to buy an Xbox in July, so I'm not surprised it didn't sell.  I don't know what all the bickering is about in this thread now.

If the Xbox sells more, then good for us; if the PS3 sells well, then again, good for us.  The only real shit worth getting pissed about is that Wii Music is going to move more consoles than Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Fable 2, etc... combined.

Hey, the only reason I'm still in this thread is because i'm annoyed that i'm seeing what I consider perfectly reasonable opinions being denigrated as fanboy spin. For example, I agree with you that there is no reason to buy a 360 now. But when that gets translated into 'lol @ xfags in 'wait for Xmas mode!' ', all of a sudden, I can't agree with you without being labelled a fanboy. Ugh. It's surreal - here we are saying that 360 sales are shit, there's no reason to buy a 360 now - and we're fanboys?!  If these are fanboy opinions, what are the haters thinking?!

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: tiesto on August 15, 2008, 12:17:25 AM
I still don't understand who exactly buys NCAA games or cares about NCAA sports, aside from people in bumblefuck cities without any professional sports team.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 15, 2008, 12:25:55 AM
I dunno why you guys are griping about this thread... if it wasnt this it was gonna be another thread

So stfu and be glad its contained
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 15, 2008, 12:27:59 AM
I still don't understand who exactly buys NCAA games or cares about NCAA sports, aside from people in bumblefuck cities without any professional sports team.

I haven't played a sports game in about 8 years, but normally the NCAA games played better than the pro counterparts. They also had more options (season modes, dynasty modes, recruiting .. etc). Just a more well rounded sports game overall (but usually worse graphics).



Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 15, 2008, 12:29:43 AM
Lets just be real here.

I have a lot of disposable income, and my PS3 has one game for it, and like a bajilllion blurays. Lets not pretend its about the games.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 15, 2008, 12:32:15 AM
Fo real.  I have like 70-80 Blu-rays and less than 10 PS3 games. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 15, 2008, 12:35:28 AM
My only PS3 games by the end of August will be MLB The Show 08 and Disgaea 3 lol. I just use my HARDWARE BC to play PS2 games on it most of the time.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2008, 12:38:13 AM
All this venom over whose favorite company will end up in 2nd place?   ::)

The only good thing that came out of this thread is that all the fanboys came out of their closets. 


I dunno why you guys are griping about this thread... if it wasnt this it was gonna be another thread

So stfu and be glad its contained

:bow Smooth Groove :bow2
:bow Demi :bow2
:bow straight up real talk :bow2
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 15, 2008, 12:40:51 AM
Since the PS3 keep getting shitty ports, I just buy all the "big" PS3 exclusives that Sfags hype up.  For multiplatform stuff, I always buy the PC or 360 versions.  
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Tabasco on August 15, 2008, 12:41:28 AM
What was always good about npd threads was when we got all the info.  Now, after evilore fagged out,with top 10 only, it's worthless.  eb needs an insider
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 15, 2008, 12:44:53 AM
I still don't understand who exactly buys NCAA games or cares about NCAA sports, aside from people in bumblefuck cities without any professional sports team.

i get NCAA College Hoops because its a better game of basketball

plus i can recruit tall young men to my team :shh
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 15, 2008, 12:45:34 AM
What was always good about npd threads was when we got all the info.  Now, after evilore fagged out,with top 10 only, it's worthless.  eb needs an insider

theres insiders but they value their jobs.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 12:49:40 AM
Lets just be real here.

I have a lot of disposable income, and my PS3 has one game for it, and like a bajilllion blurays. Lets not pretend its about the games.

I have a ton of PS3 games that get played on a regular basis.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 15, 2008, 01:02:08 AM
Since the PS3 keep getting shitty ports, I just buy all the "big" PS3 exclusives that Sfags hype up.  For multiplatform stuff, I always buy the PC or 360 versions. 

Actually, there hasn't been a bad PS3 port in a while.  All in all this gen has been much better with multiple console ports than last gen was; don't forget that the PS2 market dominance meant that most multi-console games were limited by that technology and the Xbox versions usually looked far inferior than they should have been looking.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 15, 2008, 01:08:07 AM
Since the PS3 keep getting shitty ports, I just buy all the "big" PS3 exclusives that Sfags hype up.  For multiplatform stuff, I always buy the PC or 360 versions. 

Actually, there hasn't been a bad PS3 port in a while.  All in all this gen has been much better with multiple console ports than last gen was; don't forget that the PS2 market dominance meant that most multi-console games were limited by that technology and the Xbox versions usually looked far inferior than they should have been looking.


The PS3 ports aren't as bad now as they were 2 yrs ago but Eurogamer's comparisons still show them to be inferior to the 360 versions 80% of the time.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 15, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
Lets just be real here.

I have a lot of disposable income, and my PS3 has one game for it, and like a bajilllion blurays. Lets not pretend its about the games.

I have a ton of PS3 games that get played on a regular basis.

You also OWN GUNDAM CROSSFIRE
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 15, 2008, 01:16:06 AM
Yeah, but again, it is hardly inferior by a large margin anymore.  It is down to shit like the shadows in DMC4 being different, or a slightly lesser resolution.  The days of Turok (lol) looking like garbage on the 360 seem to be over.  Nothing very tangible or anything that would destroy the experience.  Even Madden is now neck and neck on both systems and no longer has the gimped 30 fps PS3 version.  Are the 360 versions still the best? yes, like you said; but PS3 only owners, or even those who just want to buy a game on PS3 for some reason (like me buying SC4 on PS3 because of my arcade stick), no longer get the ripped off by comparison.

Thinking back, it was actually sad how horrible the PS3 ports used to be.  Hate to bring up Turok again, but that was just some sad shit.  I only did play the demos, but it was ridiculous how lazy the PS3 port of it was.

Just counting my game collection, I would say that I have a little less than half the amount of PS3 games than 360 games.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 15, 2008, 01:21:58 AM
Thinking back, it was actually sad how horrible the PS3 ports used to be.  Hate to bring up Turok again, but that was just some sad shit.  I only did play the demos, but it was ridiculous how lazy the PS3 port of it was.

That one was of course especially sad given the big talk of delivering basically identical versions. It seems like the big ticket items get the best treatment, which obviously makes sense, and I guess Turok wasn't that type of big ticket item. But certain people were so sure of themselves when it came to that particular game that the massive difference between versions came as a bit of a shock. But yeah, the multiplatform differences are disappearing or at least becoming far less noticeable.

Although comically, the smaller the differences, the more heated the arguments about them seem to have become. The COD4 thread on NeoGAF was a jesters blast and probably the first of its kind considering the closeness between versions, with people taking comparison pictures of close-ups of textures, and then larger shots to show off differences in AF, bitching high and low about being fooled by IW into believing that the versions were identical.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 01:24:43 AM
Lets just be real here.

I have a lot of disposable income, and my PS3 has one game for it, and like a bajilllion blurays. Lets not pretend its about the games.

I have a ton of PS3 games that get played on a regular basis.

You also OWN GUNDAM CROSSFIRE

Well yeah, but I'm not counting that piece of trash.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 15, 2008, 03:10:30 AM
Gundam Crossfire is so not a good way to support anyone
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 15, 2008, 03:13:20 AM
Gundam Crossfire is a good way to support euthanasia.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: maxy on August 15, 2008, 03:37:04 AM
No MGS4 numbers?Also Namco 2 million shipped :lol
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: laesperanzapaz on August 15, 2008, 03:40:54 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

keep arguing over your meaningless NPD cum drippings, fools

SMH @ message board fanboys
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 03:57:24 AM
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Gundam Crossfire is so not a good way to support anyone

it's my way of telling Sony that that's the sort of games we want to see....

... this backfired spectacularly when Namco dropped trou and shat out Operation Troy on the X360.

That said, Operation Troy is way better... but this is like comparing the sensation of eating a bucket full of gravel vs. eating a sandwich consisting of screws and razor blades. 

 

It's looking more and more likely that Bandai's mecha titles are going to the PSP, if not staying on the PS2.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 04:05:54 AM
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It's looking more and more likely that Bandai's mecha titles are going to the PSP, if not staying on the PS2.

troy , all joking aside, was nowhere near as bad as i was expecting. Offline it's utter garbage, but online it's short and snappy and the battles are fairly enjoyable.

It's still C grade, but i've come to lower my Gundam expectations and use CH for my big robot kicks. And ACE to some extent.


I'd love to try Operation Troy, but I already buy so much crap that I'll never play that I can't justify the purchase of a 360.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 15, 2008, 04:09:39 AM
I would really like to try Operation Troy, but last I checked the demo was removed off of XBL after a long period of being gold exclusive.

My favorite Gundam games are Side Story on the Dreamcast and One Year War/Project Pegasus on the PS2.  I still really enjoy the PSP games and Musou, but nothing has topped those two games for me.  The FPS on Wii is actually quite good for the most part, and I did hear good things about the gamecube game.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 04:12:31 AM
I've got Ace Pilot, the GC game. It's pretty fun.

I would really like to try Operation Troy, but last I checked the demo was removed off of XBL after a long period of being gold exclusive.

Serious? Wow.

Is it even coming to North America?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 15, 2008, 04:17:09 AM
Gamestop has it listed for October 1st

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=60519

Hopefully there is a demo for the NA region of XBL.

Oh, and Char's Counterattack.  I really liked that game; it was one of the first imports I ever bought.

The intro was so awesome:

[youtube=425,350]jQHCJY5tn7M[/youtube]
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 04:25:23 AM
Yeah, I've got CC for the Playstation, wasn't bad.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 15, 2008, 04:54:55 AM
i got a 3 day ban for trolling that thread :lol
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: etiolate on August 15, 2008, 05:55:00 AM
I'd still rather have a 360 than a PS3 as my second console. Sony has lost that image of always having a game to play or a library to satisfy.  The PSP library inspires no envy, nor does the PS3. It's LittleBigPlanet and then some franchises that are truly the living dead. The 360 still has much more that interests me in games. The console just hasn't had a big release in awhile. Nintendo blew their wad as well, but their games routinely last longer in sales due to a wide audience and the fact N games generally have great replayability.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 06:46:27 AM
weird, i'm looking forward to more games this year than any year since this gen began

i whittled down my list to 10 must-haves, and there are still around 5 more i want but am holding off on
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Rman on August 15, 2008, 07:26:37 AM
Which games, Eel?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Tabasco on August 15, 2008, 09:38:37 AM
What was always good about npd threads was when we got all the info.  Now, after evilore fagged out,with top 10 only, it's worthless.  eb needs an insider

theres insiders but they value their jobs.

Yeah that could be the case.  But I've seen posts on GAF and have some second-hand knowledge indicating that many devs don't get to see the full NPD results themselves.  I remember reading in one of those "Devs why do you read GAF?" threads that many said they read it for the hilarity and to get sales numbers.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 09:40:16 AM
Which games, Eel?

September 7th, 2008 - SPORE

September 14, 2008  Rock Band 2 (game only)

September 23, 2008  Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway

October 7, 2008  Fallout 3 Collector's Edition - I know it's cheesy, but I want that bobblehead and lunch box

October 21, 2008  LittleBigPlanet

October 26, 2008  Guitar Hero World Tour + guitar (I don't have a wireless guitar)

November 4, 2008  Left 4 Dead 360 (will also get the PC version once the mods start kicking in)

November 4, 2008  Resistance 2  (wasn't too thrilled with the first one, but 8-player co-op sounds neat)

November 7, 2008  Gears of War 2  

November 11, 2008  Call of Duty: World at War

holding off on Mercenaries 2, Dead Space, Endwar, Force Unleashed, SOCOM, and some others I'm iffy about
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: GilloD on August 15, 2008, 11:09:34 AM
Can we not do this on this forum? The temptation to play BUSINESS ANALYST with NPD numbers is exactly what torched GAF.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Wolf Gang on August 15, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, Genji 2, Ratchet & Clank, Metal Gear Solid 4 - bomb after bomb. Every PS3 excluisve game disappears from the charts after being only a month out.

Where's PLAYSTATION 3's multimillion sellers like Gears of War? Halo 3?

LBP is next. Oh boy, will it bomb. Bomb HARD.

Crysis would still have sold better on PS3 though, am I right?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Third on August 15, 2008, 11:19:22 AM
Poor Xflop360. Still not outselling the Ps3, even after a pricedrop.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2008, 11:23:07 AM
Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, Genji 2, Ratchet & Clank, Metal Gear Solid 4 - bomb after bomb. Every PS3 excluisve game disappears from the charts after being only a month out.

Where's PLAYSTATION 3's multimillion sellers like Gears of War? Halo 3?

LBP is next. Oh boy, will it bomb. Bomb HARD.

Further proof that only sfags are ruining the forum.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: radioheadrule83 on August 15, 2008, 11:38:44 AM
Is Sam & Max Season 1 out on the Wii in America?
Its out in Europe on the 29th
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: hyp on August 15, 2008, 11:56:31 AM
Jesus titty fucking christ. Evilbore is getting big enough now that there's this? Ugh. Hate it.

there's been an NPD thread every month i've been on this board.  nearly 2 years now.  or are you just surprised at the responses?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 15, 2008, 12:04:19 PM
Jesus titty fucking christ. Evilbore is getting big enough now that there's this? Ugh. Hate it.

there's been an NPD thread every month i've been on this board.  nearly 2 years now.  or are you just surprised at the responses?

Yeah, but there were far less angry people.  I guess that's due to the recent influx of Sfag members.  NPD threads at EB used to be Xbot circle jerks instead of GAFFOT-like "discussions". 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: hyp on August 15, 2008, 12:06:48 PM
i always looked at NPD threads on this board as joke threads.  chill out people.  :pimp
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 12:39:40 PM
Well, I can't find a Wii in this town to save my ass, and I have the money right here in my hand.  If I have to stand in line or hunt one down all over the place then fuck it.  Eat my balls, Nintendo.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 15, 2008, 12:40:52 PM
The nice thing about the Wii is that you can buy one, play it for a few months, and then sell it for more than you paid. It's like a rental system of the Gods.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 12:46:31 PM
i can get a ripoff bundle full of shit like the m&m cart racer online, but fuck all that

i just want the wii, some component cables, and that's it - i intend to rent wii games

the fact that i've wasted valuable minutes of lifespan calling around is making me rapidly lose interest

again, eat my balls, nintendo

i'm hacking the fuck out of it
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 15, 2008, 12:46:58 PM
I keep my Wii around for friends.  The 360 and PS3 games are fun for them to watch but other than fighters, everything else is too complicated to pick up and play.  
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Trent Dole on August 15, 2008, 12:48:52 PM
The nice thing about the Wii is that you can buy one, play it for a few months, and then sell it for more than you paid. It's like a rental system of the Gods.

Unless you're a dumbshit who bought a bunch of VC stuff. In any case folks who bought a Wii and expected it to be a satisfactory sole console are a bit foolish considering how the 64 and GC went.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 12:56:26 PM
I want one now because until September, there aren't any 360 or PS3 games I want to play, and I can catch up on the 5 or so Wii games out that I want to play.  After that there's a flood of 360 and PS3 stuff to occupy my gaming time.  The closer it gets to September the less I will want a Wii.  They've had plenty of time to ramp up production on these things. It can't be stated enough - eat my balls, Nintendo.  
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Bocsius on August 15, 2008, 01:01:10 PM
The only reason I'd want a Wii is to play Virtual Console, but the only things I'd want to play on VC would be Mario Bros. and Mario Kart, but I have a DS which I also use to only play NSMB and MKDS so having a Wii for VC to do the same thing would be ridiculously redundant. So screw the Wii, from the ever-caring-to-own-one standpoint.

However, the Wii is a troll on the entire online gaming community, and I for one love it.

:bow Wii :bow2
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 15, 2008, 01:05:20 PM
They've had plenty of time to ramp up production on these things. It can't be stated enough - eat my balls, Nintendo.

I hate it when people say "oh, but they're shipping more than any other console in history". While that is completely true, it doesn't negate the fact that demand is still outstripping supply here in the states nearly 2 years after launch. It's not like the company doesn't have enough cash to plop down for increasing production, which should be relatively simple anyways because the hardware is simpler. They must be using extremely conservative assumptions in their inventory predictions.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 01:08:37 PM
everyone on craigslist wants more than the fucking thing is worth, too
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: duckman2000 on August 15, 2008, 01:10:39 PM
Nintendo has successfully kept up the supply vs demand hysteria going for 2 years, which is obviously working out for them. I don't for a second believe that demand would be anywhere near as rabid had the system been well stocked. We put up our ad, and given the fast, almost panic struck response to the ad, you'd think we were giving away gold for free. It wasn't even a good price for the system, but it was snatched up immediately, and allegedly, this person had been driven to desperation due to having had no luck in stores.

everyone on craigslist wants more than the fucking thing is worth, too

And they will get it. Not much more, but some. People want it (because hey, Bob and Janet has one, and it's such great family fun, even the dog wants to play with the Wii!), but they don't seem particularly interested in paying a ton of money for it.

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 01:12:54 PM
well, fuck it, i'll spend my 250 elsewhere, and just pick up a cheap wii after the flood of unused systems hit the market a couple of years from now

eat my balls, nintendo
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: GilloD on August 15, 2008, 01:20:24 PM
Seriously. Can we lock this thread? If I have to read another bone-headed analysis form people with absolutely ZERO background in business or the finer points of tech production, I'm going to lose my mind. No more NPD, ever, please, god, please.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 15, 2008, 01:29:14 PM
i've owned and operated a business for over ten years, sport
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2008, 02:46:29 PM
Ah, thank you, Mojo. :)

Nintendo has successfully kept up the supply vs demand hysteria going for 2 years, which is obviously working out for them. I don't for a second believe that demand would be anywhere near as rabid had the system been well stocked.

Um, you do realize that it's been selling 600+ units nearly every month since launch, right? Not to mention Nintendo's actually been trying to ramp up production by manufacturing like a million a month or something like that.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Bocsius on August 15, 2008, 03:21:34 PM
We could take the nerdery one step further and have Media-Create threads.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 03:44:27 PM
We could take the nerdery one step further and have Media-Create threads.

Oh, fuck no. I thought we were better than GAF?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 15, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
Kest - I've seen them a few times in Kalamazoo without even looking for them. 

Oh, I have one. Got it last year in the Gamestop on Westnedge
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2008, 04:29:53 PM
I was at a Fred Meyer in Seattle yesterday, and they had five Wii's just sitting in the case. I was afraid that I'd be trampled at any moment by a mob of soccer moms.  :lol
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: trh on August 15, 2008, 04:49:25 PM
more like npdgayness
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Jansen on August 15, 2008, 04:50:27 PM
it would suck ass to have a wii as your only console.

like owning a gamecube last gen.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 15, 2008, 04:54:04 PM
it would suck ass to have a wii as your only console.

like owning a gamecube last gen.

GC at least had some pretty games though. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: laesperanzapaz on August 15, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Seriously. Can we lock this thread? If I have to read another bone-headed analysis form people with absolutely ZERO background in business or the finer points of tech production, I'm going to lose my mind. No more NPD, ever, please, god, please.

Or you can leave the thread.  For every annoying person in these threads, there's an even more annoying group of people who only contribute how much they hate the thread they're posting in. 

sometimes i confuse myself and mix up the two of you.  i dont know why, maybe because you both like(d) nintendo
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 15, 2008, 05:41:39 PM
more like npdgayness

ur mom
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: trh on August 15, 2008, 05:58:23 PM
more like npdgayness

ur mom
(http://i35.tinypic.com/219s8qw.jpg)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 15, 2008, 06:08:01 PM
damn that's tight... i saved it
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: trh on August 15, 2008, 06:12:05 PM
that penguin knows what's up
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Wolf Gang on August 15, 2008, 09:15:09 PM
How is it that the Xbox 360 got outsold in the same month that it also got a price drop, when it already had the price advantage to begin with?

I don't get it. Who the fuck is buying PlayStation 3s? It has no games.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
People buy the PS3 to play Blu-Rays and the Wii for games. No reason to buy an Xbox.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2008, 11:54:51 PM
How is it that the Xbox 360 got outsold in the same month that it also got a price drop, when it already had the price advantage to begin with?

I don't get it. Who the fuck is buying PlayStation 3s? It has no games.
People like me buy it for the games, others buy it for blu ray.  I love the no games meme. It's like saying the 360 or PC has no games. It's a ridiculous statement.

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 16, 2008, 12:19:46 AM
what are these ps3 games that are not on the 360 (in better form, to boot)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: tiesto on August 16, 2008, 01:19:52 AM
I still have no idea why PS3 is now outselling 360 in the US. I could understand that happening last month, when MGS came out, but this month, there's nothing... I think the whole RROD scare really fucked MS over and it turned off many a potential buyer. It's a shame, because outside of that (now fixed) problem, the 360 has the best lineup out of the 3 consoles and it has gone far beyond the original Xbox in terms of diversity and quality.

Also, why is Europe not buying the 360?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 16, 2008, 03:08:31 AM
want games = 360

want movies = ps3

want sad = wii
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Wolf Gang on August 16, 2008, 07:15:50 AM
I heard Europe is Sonyland. I could be wrong.

I heard that Nintendo was bitter about Nintendo 64 and GameCube and so now they're just having a big, Ricky Gervais-style laugh with the Wii. I don't think that Miyamoto has ever smiled this hard before. He's not smiling with you, he's smiling at you.

I've only been using my PlayStation 3 for movies recently, but I think that it's finally going to start getting some good games too. We all know that Metal Gear Solid 4 was an abortion. (Kojima's American team fucked up the translation on the ending of the first act and ruined the whole game for me.)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: originalz on August 16, 2008, 07:33:12 AM
I heard Europe is Sonyland. I could be wrong.

Yeah, that's what I keep hearing, that Playstation is synonymous with videogames.  Makes no sense since 15 years ago Europe was Segaland.  I guess the PSX hit at the right time.

Really, I think that Sony brand loyalty is the only thing that's keeping the PS3 above the 360.  I've seen many posts on GAF and other places from people refusing to buy a 360 just because "lol M$ 3fixme only for frat boys", yet somehow the PS3's similar (if not slightly lacking) lineup is fine for them.  Well, then there's those who don't care about either and buy a Wii.  Shit, there are still plenty of RPG players that refuse to accept that the 360 is the go-to system for RPGs and still stick with the PS3 because "Sony has always been about RPGs, eventually they'll all come here!"

It's even more bizarre in Japan, they just can't accept Microsoft.  The 360 has more "Japanese" games than the PS3 at this point, but I hope that Vesperia and other future releases will improve the brand image.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 08:38:33 AM

Also, why is Europe not buying the 360?

Since im from yurop I can answer that:

#1 Its made by MS
#2 Its an American product (not much love in EU for the made in USA products :-\)

and

#3 EU loves Sony

I really dont understand all the hate for Sony in the US but the truth is they make excellent electronics (awsome features, quality made, good costumer support........) if not the best ones (right up there with samsung). Sure the prices of their products are distinguished mentally-challenged and sure they are arrogant turds and most of their execs have a god complex, but the truth is if you buy a sony product, you will be satisfied (well, the ps3 is an exception).

#4 Playstation is an official partner of the Champions League (soccer) = HUGE MARKETING

Anyways hello to everyone  :-* :-*

Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: pilonv1 on August 16, 2008, 08:58:22 AM
#1 and #2 mean shit.

HOWEVER I will agree that Sony have some sort of magical brand loyalty in Europe/Australia. People would buy pieces of shit with a Sony badge if they could.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: John Dunbar on August 16, 2008, 09:09:21 AM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 09:10:29 AM
#1 and #2 mean shit.

HOWEVER I will agree that Sony have some sort of magical brand loyalty in Europe/Australia. People would buy pieces of shit with a Sony badge if they could.

Microsoft and other USA brands are really unpopular here in EU. I understand the MS hate but not the US.
The only US product that sold well (at least here in Italy) was the iPhone and the hype is already almost dead. Also the 360 is not marketed particularly well here.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.

Sure they saved gaming for the 10 year old brats and their grandparents but they have done jack shit for the REAL gamers
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: John Dunbar on August 16, 2008, 09:19:32 AM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.

Sure they saved gaming for the 10 year old brats and their grandparents but they have done jack shit for the REAL gamers

Since REAL gamers like terrible games, good going.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Tundra on August 16, 2008, 09:27:45 AM

Also, why is Europe not buying the 360?

Since im from yurop I can answer that:

#1 Its made by MS
#2 Its an American product (not much love in EU for the made in USA products :-\)

and

#3 EU loves Sony

I really dont understand all the hate for Sony in the US but the truth is they make excellent electronics (awsome features, quality made, good costumer support........) if not the best ones (right up there with samsung). Sure the prices of their products are distinguished mentally-challenged and sure they are arrogant turds and most of their execs have a god complex, but the truth is if you buy a sony product, you will be satisfied (well, the ps3 is an exception).

#4 Playstation is an official partner of the Champions League (soccer) = HUGE MARKETING

Anyways hello to everyone  :-* :-*



Since i am also from europe (germany), i support this post, (i just don't think people in germany hate american products, everybody here's into lots of ami stuff, and it's cool to have them). It's really like that, people are scared of microsoft, and microsoft and its products (especially windows) is generally viewed upon as low quality, or as some kind of evil that you have to accept, because you have no real alternative thing to use instead (linux and mac is too niche, no games etc).

One small anecdote: I rode in a bus a few weeks ago, and at one station it stopped, and the display thats usually showing at which station you are at went blank. The bus driver said "Sorry, we have to take a short break now, the operating system just crashed down. You can probably imagine which one we are using.". Almost everybody in the bus laughed....


So, if you decide to play games on consoles instead of a pc, which is a rare thing here in germany, a small to medium reason for most adult gamers (like me) is getting away from windows madness, and enjoy the simplicity of a console. and then you usually decide against microsoft, because Microsoft = Windows. Well thats how i feel a lot of people think here.

I see the superior game library of the XBox, but somehow even i tend towards buying a PS3 at the moment, even if it's more expensive. And since i am hanging around in places like this, i know that RROD is a thing of the past, and the XBox is safe. Weird...
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 09:31:20 AM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.

Sure they saved gaming for the 10 year old brats and their grandparents but they have done jack shit for the REAL gamers

Since REAL gamers like terrible games, good going.

Fine then. They havent done anything for folk who dont like shovelware crap. And thats pretty much everyone

Quote
I see the superior game library of the XBox, but somehow even i tend towards buying a PS3 at the moment, even if it's more expensive. And since i am hanging around in places like this, i know that RROD is a thing of the past, and the XBox is safe. Weird...

yeah, same
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: John Dunbar on August 16, 2008, 10:08:13 AM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.

Sure they saved gaming for the 10 year old brats and their grandparents but they have done jack shit for the REAL gamers

Since REAL gamers like terrible games, good going.

Fine then. They havent done anything for folk who dont like shovelware crap. And thats pretty much everyone


Except for people that buy games and systems oh snaps.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: maxy on August 16, 2008, 10:17:33 AM
Europe is Nintendo land,Wii and DS are ripping EU charts.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 16, 2008, 10:18:07 AM
john dunbar are you a ninthing
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: John Dunbar on August 16, 2008, 10:22:23 AM
john dunbar are you a ninthing
I most certainly am.

And I don't understand the argument about shovelware on Wii. Only shovelware in the top ten is another set of rehashed futbol games from EA. Needless to say they sell better on so called "hardcore" systems.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 16, 2008, 10:31:59 AM
I haven't turned on my Wii since Boom Blox came out. Everytime i look at the Wii shelves in a store, i ask myself why did i waste 250e on that shit.

Sure it's a good system in that sense that a karaoke machine is a good thing, but for a gamer it's a piece of shit. And when i look at the NPDs and stuff and i see soo many shitty ass distinguished mentally-challenged games from the Wii filling up the charts, it's like...what a shitty gen.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 10:48:51 AM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 10:49:33 AM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: originalz on August 16, 2008, 11:06:53 AM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system

Not trying to rag on you or anything, but I find it kind of ironic that you'd post that after saying that even with the 360's superior game lineup, you'd still pay more money to buy a PS3.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 11:36:21 AM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system

Not trying to rag on you or anything, but I find it kind of ironic that you'd post that after saying that even with the 360's superior game lineup, you'd still pay more money to buy a PS3.

I already have a ps3. And yeah, even if I didnt have it I would still buy it over a 360 but thats only because I like the sony games (God of War, Gran Turismo, ICO shit.......) more than MS games. Its a matter of taste really. But yeah I admit i bought the ps3 at launch because of the hype, blindly I must say and the 360 does have a better lineup. I just hope all those sony games dont end up sucking :'(

And come on dude, the ps3 aint that bad ;), no where near the suck level of the wii that is
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: tiesto on August 16, 2008, 11:50:53 AM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.

Sure they saved gaming for the 10 year old brats and their grandparents but they have done jack shit for the REAL gamers

DS is like my favorite system since the PS1, I think... so many awesome games released this year: Crystal Chronicles Ring of Fates, Etrian Odyssey 2, FF4 DS, The World Ends With You, Bangai-O Spirits, and soon Dragon Quest 4-6 and DQ9.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: John Dunbar on August 16, 2008, 11:54:15 AM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system

Not trying to rag on you or anything, but I find it kind of ironic that you'd post that after saying that even with the 360's superior game lineup, you'd still pay more money to buy a PS3.

I already have a ps3. And yeah, even if I didnt have it I would still buy it over a 360 but thats only because I like the sony games (God of War, Gran Turismo, ICO shit.......) more than MS games. Its a matter of taste really. But yeah I admit i bought the ps3 at launch because of the hype, blindly I must say and the 360 does have a better lineup. I just hope all those sony games dont end up sucking :'(

And come on dude, the ps3 aint that bad ;), no where near the suck level of the wii that is

Posts like these show that Sony fans are the Gamecube fans of this generation.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 12:08:34 PM
Thank god for Nintendo. I was getting worried for gaming after last gen, but Nintendo has once again bailed it out. What Nintendo did with the Wii and the DS is the same as what they did with NES. Saved gaming.

Sure they saved gaming for the 10 year old brats and their grandparents but they have done jack shit for the REAL gamers

DS is like my favorite system since the PS1, I think... so many awesome games released this year: Crystal Chronicles Ring of Fates, Etrian Odyssey 2, FF4 DS, The World Ends With You, Bangai-O Spirits, and soon Dragon Quest 4-6 and DQ9.

I was referring to the wii. DS is no doubt a good system but did it really, LULZ, save gaming? If those games would actually sell than yeah, nintendo would be doing something good for GAMING. The problem is those games dont sell. Instead trash like brain training, Nintendo Dogs and cooking momma does
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 12:14:23 PM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system

Not trying to rag on you or anything, but I find it kind of ironic that you'd post that after saying that even with the 360's superior game lineup, you'd still pay more money to buy a PS3.

I already have a ps3. And yeah, even if I didnt have it I would still buy it over a 360 but thats only because I like the sony games (God of War, Gran Turismo, ICO shit.......) more than MS games. Its a matter of taste really. But yeah I admit i bought the ps3 at launch because of the hype, blindly I must say and the 360 does have a better lineup. I just hope all those sony games dont end up sucking :'(

And come on dude, the ps3 aint that bad ;), no where near the suck level of the wii that is

Posts like these show that Sony fans are the Gamecube fans of this generation.

 ??? ???
Arent gamecube fans the gamecube fans of this generation? Wii = gamecube - games = suckage = nintendo fanboys  :bawl


And lulz, Im not a sony fan
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 12:14:52 PM
DP :-\
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 16, 2008, 12:28:05 PM



And lulz, Im not a sony fan


of course not.  ::)
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: John Dunbar on August 16, 2008, 12:34:50 PM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system

Not trying to rag on you or anything, but I find it kind of ironic that you'd post that after saying that even with the 360's superior game lineup, you'd still pay more money to buy a PS3.

I already have a ps3. And yeah, even if I didnt have it I would still buy it over a 360 but thats only because I like the sony games (God of War, Gran Turismo, ICO shit.......) more than MS games. Its a matter of taste really. But yeah I admit i bought the ps3 at launch because of the hype, blindly I must say and the 360 does have a better lineup. I just hope all those sony games dont end up sucking :'(

And come on dude, the ps3 aint that bad ;), no where near the suck level of the wii that is

Posts like these show that Sony fans are the Gamecube fans of this generation.

 ??? ???
Arent gamecube fans the gamecube fans of this generation? Wii = gamecube - games = suckage = nintendo fanboys  :bawl


And lulz, Im not a sony fan

PS3 fans are like Gamecube fans because of their blatant denial of reality of their sucky console of choice and their WAIT FOR X GAME mentality (lol, ICO, GT, God of War, has any of this shit even been shown and you're already waiting for it? That's Gamecube era Nintendo fanboy stuff).

Sony fans are the new Nintendo fans. That's a fact.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 01:00:30 PM



And lulz, Im not a sony fan


of course not.  ::)

Just because I like sony games doesnt make me a sony fanboy. Hell the reason im here is cuz i got IP banned from GT for bashing ps3 and the sfags. Im only a fan of sony electronics, as for SCE........just no.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: FFXIII360 on August 16, 2008, 01:12:50 PM

Except for people that blindly buy shit games and shit systems oh snaps.

fixzed!

.......oh snaps

LULZ fucking posting system

Not trying to rag on you or anything, but I find it kind of ironic that you'd post that after saying that even with the 360's superior game lineup, you'd still pay more money to buy a PS3.

I already have a ps3. And yeah, even if I didnt have it I would still buy it over a 360 but thats only because I like the sony games (God of War, Gran Turismo, ICO shit.......) more than MS games. Its a matter of taste really. But yeah I admit i bought the ps3 at launch because of the hype, blindly I must say and the 360 does have a better lineup. I just hope all those sony games dont end up sucking :'(

And come on dude, the ps3 aint that bad ;), no where near the suck level of the wii that is

Posts like these show that Sony fans are the Gamecube fans of this generation.

 ??? ???
Arent gamecube fans the gamecube fans of this generation? Wii = gamecube - games = suckage = nintendo fanboys  :bawl


And lulz, Im not a sony fan

PS3 fans are like Gamecube fans because of their blatant denial of reality of their sucky console of choice and their WAIT FOR X GAME mentality (lol, ICO, GT, God of War, has any of this shit even been shown and you're already waiting for it? That's Gamecube era Nintendo fanboy stuff).

Sony fans are the new Nintendo fans. That's a fact.

Lulz, I even admit the ps3 is a piece of shit yet it still has more use than the completly useless wii. And im not waiting for anything. Im just a fan of previous gow and ICO games. Like I said, im not even sure about those anymore since sony is really underdelivering this gen. I also bought the ps3 for casual shit like Fifa and PES. And ya, Im in denial ::) Bu bu bu bu Nintendo is saving gaming :'( :'(
Cry more
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 16, 2008, 01:14:59 PM
lbp > the entire wii lineup
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 16, 2008, 01:25:52 PM
Nintendo fans are the new Nintendo fans, only with less games to play and more bragging about how they think they are happy.  Sony fans are the new Sony fans, only without the sales to back up the slightly less impressive line up it has.  Xbox fans are the new Xbox fans, except now are into more j-rpg games.  PC fans are still superior.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 16, 2008, 01:33:17 PM
Nintendo fans are the new Nintendo fans, only with less games to play and more bragging about how they think they are happy.  Sony fans are the new Sony fans, only without the sales to back up the slightly less impressive line up it has.  Xbox fans are the new Xbox fans, except now are into more j-rpg games.  PC fans are still superior.

:bow PC Gaming :bow2
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Wolf Gang on August 16, 2008, 01:57:58 PM
John Dunbar, what's your favorite Wii game?
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 02:19:04 PM
nintendo fans remain nintendo fans, and the nintendo console still hasn't got the faintest semblance of games -- with all the loathsome developments in the game industry lately, it's nice to know that some things will never change. xbots aspire to the smugness of ps2 fans, except that this is totally unjustified by the 360's middling lineup -- and they're getting amusingly shrill as 360 fulfills its last place destiny. sfaggotry has become a nauseating new cocktail -- there's a ninthing puerility in their kittonwy speak, and an xbot cult of mediocrity in their worship of nd and insomniac. pc gamers are the same bearded twits they've always been, and i dread the prospect of becoming one when console gaming inevitably goes up in a moronic inferno of waggle and minigames
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 16, 2008, 02:24:13 PM
who's this lulz guy... i mean really
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Crushed on August 16, 2008, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: Everyone in this thread
I HATE VIDEOGAMES  :maf

 :'(
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 16, 2008, 02:32:56 PM
Fuck all ya
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 16, 2008, 02:39:49 PM
Quote from: Everyone in this thread
I HATE VIDEOGAMES  :maf

 :'(

That shtick is getting a bit old.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 02:46:45 PM
nintendo fans remain nintendo fans, and the nintendo console still hasn't got the faintest semblance of games -- with all the loathsome developments in the game industry lately, it's nice to know that some things will never change. xbots aspire to the smugness of ps2 fans, except that this is totally unjustified by the 360's middling lineup -- and they're getting amusingly shrill as 360 fulfills its last place destiny. sfaggotry has become a nauseating new cocktail -- there's a ninthing puerility in their kittonwy speak, and an xbot cult of mediocrity in their worship of nd and insomniac. pc gamers are the same bearded twits they've always been, and i dread the prospect of becoming one when console gaming inevitably goes up in a moronic inferno of waggle and minigames

I guess you're the expert at what makes up a middling lineup since you loved Heavenly Sword and Uncharted so much. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Crushed on August 16, 2008, 02:50:41 PM
Drohne also forgot to mention the pure seething vitriol in most Sfags. I remember when the PSP vs DS "fight" started, and being amazed by the Sfag legions on IGN. Nintendo fans could be simple and hive-minded like bees, but Sfags are like... Africanized bees mixed with particularly mean wasps. It was like pack of rabid starving attack dogs, all with pseudo-Japanese or MGS-themed usernames.

Even today, they drip bile from their mouths as they foam in anger.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
I just don't understand how Drohne's still playing the role of smug Sony fan when his console of choice is a piece of shit. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 02:55:24 PM
you flatter me, but i'm just a dabbler in mediocrity: i doubt i'll ever attain the average xbot's unfailing instinct for the boring, the ugly, and the stupid. it's what makes you xbots -- it's what lets you grind secondhand versions of third-rate designs for all one thousand achievement points and then hit the forums in the full conviction that videogames can offer nothing better. it's what makes you bash braid even when your console patriotism prompts you otherwise. it's what'll drive the evilbore too human rehabilitation campaign in a week or so
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 16, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Braid is pretty bad

edit:

Ok maybe it's just bad. It is pretty.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 03:02:00 PM
you flatter me, but i'm just a dabbler in mediocrity: i doubt i'll ever attain the average xbot's unfailing instinct for the boring, the ugly, and the stupid. it's what makes you xbots -- it's what lets you grind secondhand versions of third-rate designs for all one thousand achievement points and then hit the forums in the full conviction that videogames can offer nothing better. it's what makes you bash braid even when your console patriotism prompts you otherwise. it's what'll drive the evilbore too human rehabilitation campaign in a week or so


Well, I'm the typical hardcore PC gamer that upgrades every 6 months so I'm probably even lower than the Xbots on your scale.   :(
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 16, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
nintendo fans remain nintendo fans, and the nintendo console still hasn't got the faintest semblance of games -- with all the loathsome developments in the game industry lately, it's nice to know that some things will never change. xbots aspire to the smugness of ps2 fans, except that this is totally unjustified by the 360's middling lineup -- and they're getting amusingly shrill as 360 fulfills its last place destiny. sfaggotry has become a nauseating new cocktail -- there's a ninthing puerility in their kittonwy speak, and an xbot cult of mediocrity in their worship of nd and insomniac. pc gamers are the same bearded twits they've always been, and i dread the prospect of becoming one when console gaming inevitably goes up in a moronic inferno of waggle and minigames

I guess you're the expert at what makes up a middling lineup since you loved Heavenly Sword and Uncharted so much. 


Wait a minute...Dhrone loved Heavenly sword? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok now i can look at him in a different light. He's just another Sfag.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 03:04:49 PM
if you want to go lower than 'xbot' on my scale, you'll have to start liking wii, and even ninthings secretly struggle with that
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 16, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
You guys are so hard on drohne... I think he's nice
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 16, 2008, 03:08:32 PM
if you want to go lower than 'xbot' on my scale, you'll have to start liking wii, and even ninthings secretly struggle with that

That's quite a high horse you have, and I love how the fanboys described as having "pure seething vitriol" are somehow better in your book
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 03:09:01 PM
i'll cop to loving heavenly sword. still the best ps3 game besides mgs4. didn't love uncharted, though -- it's well executed, but that's about all. i overpraised it on here for trolling purposes, and i fail to understand its whole gaf cult
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 03:09:39 PM
I am kinda ashamed that I own a Wii even though it's only turned on for friends or family.  This dude who already had a PS3 told me he wanted a Wii after he tried it at my place.  
He said he's never played anything so fun.  Despite my anti-Sfag sentiments,  I wanted to kick his butt for such stupidity.  :punch
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 03:12:49 PM
i don't object to wii as a social phenomenon -- some of my friends are still really into wii tennis, and they don't have the slightest interest in videogames generally. good for them. i object to game enthusiasts who feign or force wii fandom out of pure sentimental attachment to nintendo
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
HS would have been a much better game with a less complicated defensive system and a more stable framerate+less tearing.  The last QTE sequences were gorgeous but completely ruined by the amount of tearing.  Also, I hated the designs of the boss characters.  They were a bunch of unintentionally hilarious tards.  I never felt threatened by them.    
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 16, 2008, 03:15:35 PM
heavenly sword is better than the credit it gets, uncharted is a bit worse, but neither game is bad.

All thanks to QTE :bow
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 03:16:20 PM
i don't object to wii as a social phenomenon -- some of my friends are still really into wii tennis, and they don't have the slightest interest in videogames generally. good for them. i object to game enthusiasts who feign or force wii fandom out of pure sentimental attachment to nintendo

The PS3 owning friend wasn't even a Nintendo fan.  He really did believe that Wii sports was the best game ever.   :-\
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 03:17:16 PM
until ass effect came along and shattered all standards, heavenly sword was the probably the messiest major next-gen game. i still love its combat system and think it does a lot of cool things
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: cool breeze on August 16, 2008, 03:19:45 PM
Braid is pretty bad

edit:

Ok maybe it's just bad. It is pretty.

It's good, but ugly.  Bad points are the story, no replay value, that is a glorified flash game, and the fandom surrounding the game is a bit nauseating (although that doesn't affect the game itself).

HS would have been a much better game with a less complicated defensive system and a more stable framerate+less tearing.  The last QTE sequences were gorgeous but completely ruined by the amount of tearing.  Also, I hated the designs of the boss characters.  They were a bunch of unintentionally hilarious tards.  I never felt threatened by them.   

I can agree with this.  It looked great in stills, but even in the cut scenes it ran poorly.  I actually liked some of the bosses, but I do think the dialog with them was bad at times (one that comes to mind is Nariko talking with the water bitch).  In general I think that game had great cut scenes; I actually laughed during a few of them, especially those involving Kai.  And while on the topic of Kai, her stages were awful.  I actually enjoyed the game quite a bit, it was just a technical mess for the most part.

i don't object to wii as a social phenomenon -- some of my friends are still really into wii tennis, and they don't have the slightest interest in videogames generally. good for them. i object to game enthusiasts who feign or force wii fandom out of pure sentimental attachment to nintendo

This is actually the opposite for my friends.  They chose the Wii this gen after being PS2/Xbox gamers before, but they ended up buying like 3 games for it (outside of Wii Sports that was included) and they almost never play it.  The rare times I talk to my friends about video games, they always ask about some game on the 360 or PS3 and want to actually play it, but they can't since they chose the Wii.  These people were the old kind of casual; you know, the kind that was into Halo, Madden, GTA, and other big name stuff.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 16, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
It was just too confusing to switch between stances in a heated battle.   Sometimes, you're cornered by enemies that require different stances to counter which makes the system feel really clumsy.  

Also, the timing for the counters could have been a little more consistent.  
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: WrikaWrek on August 16, 2008, 03:35:21 PM
heavenly sword is better than the credit it gets, uncharted is a bit worse, but neither game is bad.

Heavenly sword is a 5 hours game, with a shitty story, shitty combat gameplay, and shitty set pieces.
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: JustinP on August 16, 2008, 03:41:12 PM
heavenly sword is better than the credit it gets, uncharted is a bit worse, but neither game is bad.
Fable is a 5 hours game, with a shitty story, shitty combat gameplay, and shitty set pieces.
fixed.  and i wouldn't necessarily disagree with it being said about heavenly sword, either, but at least heavenly sword excels at something.  the character performances really were above most other games. 
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: drohne on August 16, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
incidentally, 'effete' doesn't mean what the word filter thinks it means -- a 'distinguished effete fellow' is ineffectual, not effeminate
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: demi on August 16, 2008, 04:07:19 PM
incidentally, 'effete' doesn't mean what the word filter thinks it means -- a 'distinguished effete fellow' is ineffectual, not effeminate

Nobody really uses effete except one person, you can guess who came up with the filter
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2008, 04:20:34 PM
this thread is goty
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: trh on August 16, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
this thread is goty
gay of the year
Title: Re: NPDNESS
Post by: Grecco on August 16, 2008, 05:04:55 PM
SMH