man, there goes my productivity at the office this week :/
Showing unity at the DNC is essential to winning in November. Last thing we need is the undecideds looking at the "decideds" and thinking we're "undecideds" as well and voting for McCain cause half of them arent rallying around Huck.
Kwame Kilpatrick isn't going
Nothing less is at stake other than civilization as we know it today.
Pelosi did pretty bad on MTP yesterday. The party would be better if she was replaced
Pelosi did pretty bad on MTP yesterday. The party would be better if she was replaced
Pelosi is crap. While she is better than someone like DeLay or Hastert, the Democrats need better leadership than what she is providing.
I'll be glad when its November 5th.
The crap that's coming from both sides is absolutely nausiating. Here's Pelosi's latest:QuoteNothing less is at stake other than civilization as we know it today.
Really?
It was great when Brokaw was pressing her on her $100k stake in Pickens' deal.
Deer in headlights.
Yeah change yer avatar
If you would like, I can take it down.
(http://tinyurl.com/6xvz5z)Yeah change yer avatar
The things I do for love
If you would like, I can take it down.
Haha I was ok with it, just jokin
What I find funny is people (in the larger sense) talk about the slavering coverage of Obama as a critique of Obama, and not the press in general.
Showing unity at the DNC is essential to winning in November. Last thing we need is the undecideds looking at the "decideds" and thinking we're "undecideds" as well and voting for McCain cause half of them arent rallying around Huck.
The McCain camp responds:
"If Senator Obama is willing to let roving bands of black youths onto the stage at the Democratic Convention, just imagine what our cities will look like if he is elected. There were certainly no roving bands of black youths in the POW camp where Senator McCain was imprisoned and held for 5 1/2 years."
What I find funny is people (in the larger sense) talk about the slavering coverage of Obama as a critique of Obama, and not the press in general.
It's basically the same meme as the "he's such a great orator that he must be dumb" one that Synth Patel brought up a while ago.
Obama proved how much of a tool he is when he picked Biden.
I'll bet you that a white man writes his speeches and tells him what to say to make him sound clean and articulate.
$5 to anyone who unveils Obama's "architect."
Obama proved how much of a tool he is when he picked Biden.
I'll bet you that a white man writes his speeches and tells him what to say to make him sound clean and articulate.
$5 to anyone who unveils Obama's "architect."
I don't give a shit if Biden comes from Thomas Jefferson's jungle fever stricken bloodline or not.
That man did not run in any primary. He did not get a single vote for the executive election in any race whatsoever, period.
He comes from Delaware. WTF kind of influence does his state have on America and in the Congress, anyway? Those hippies should form a new nation with Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, and maybe even Connecticut. We have no room in America for city-states, unless you're called New York City, thank you very much.
And yet, Obama picks Biden in favor of Hilary Clinton because Obama just got made the political machine's bitch.
That is all.
Oh, ok. Well, did he run in any of the primaries for this year's election? No.
Oh, ok. Well, did he run in any of the primaries for this year's election?
He comes from Delaware. WTF kind of influence does his state have on America and in the Congress, anyway?
How many electoral college votes is Delaware going to bring? Like one? Okay.
How about New Hampshire? Like two? Maybe.
How many electoral college votes is Hilary Clinton's New York going to bring? Like a million? Right.
How many electoral college votes is Delaware going to bring? Like one? Okay.
How about New Hampshire? Like two? Maybe.
How many electoral college votes is Hilary Clinton's New York going to bring? Like a million? Right.
How many electoral college votes is Delaware going to bring? Like one? Okay.:lol :lol :lol
How about New Hampshire? Like two? Maybe.
How many electoral college votes is Hilary Clinton's New York going to bring? Like a million? Right.
At least you icons have a secret forum where you can run to when these kind of things happen. Who's the APF of that group?
Wolf Gang in this thread is a good argument for moderating on poster quality.
You'd be shocked how little the secret forum is used
How could Hilary have been a much worse VP than Biden?
Anyway, all McCain has to do now is pick Jeb Bush and they have Alabama, Texas, and Florida on lock down.
McCain could call the entire state of utah a bunch of pedophiles, and punch the governor's wife on a campaign stop and still win by like 5%.How could Hilary have been a much worse VP than Biden?
Anyway, all McCain has to do now is pick Jeb Bush and they have Alabama, Texas, and Florida on lock down.
He's going to pick Romney and lose all of those states, but win Massachusetts and Utah.
It's basically the same meme as the "he's such a great orator that he must be dumb" one that Synth Patel brought up a while ago.
Who says that though?
Because its hard to believe anyone can say this shit.
Hey, that portly Montana governer did well. :lol
Agreed, but how many of her supporters are logical enough to go along wtih the speech? They'll just say Obama wrote that speech for her and keep going the way they're going.
The look on Michelle’s face tells the story. Michelle looks disgusted and scared. Michelle sees what a real president looks like.
The faces on the delegates are starting to look like oops, we picked the wrong horse in this race….
This woman needs to be president. I love what she is saying, I believe what she is saying, and Barack Obama does NOT GIVE ONE SHIT about anything she is saying.
Guys, she gave it her all in this speech, and I predict that all it will have done is showcase what a freaking SUPERIOR person she is, and how they are nominating the WRONG one.
Nobama. Ever.
Agreed, but how many of her supporters are logical enough to go along wtih the speech? They'll just say Obama wrote that speech for her and keep going the way they're going.
Well, they got to that women who previously said she didn't support obama to say she'd vote for him. That old lady in the gaudy outfit.
Yeah this is as good a speech as it gets. anyone who still votes mccain cause of hillary's loss is a lost cause
She surpassed anything I could have imagined. One of the best speakers in the history of the world. Yes, the comparison will hurt him bad.
BhusseinO could never give a compelling speach like our girl…..never!!!
is it just me or did that last part of her speech seem more like our PUMA “marching orders”??
Michelle Obama: “Mrs. Clinton did a fantastic job.”
Her name is SENATOR Clinton, you nasty little viper Michelle!
Awesome speech...too bad she's not on the ticket.
Awesome speech...too bad she's not on the ticket.
You know something like that isn't true when EVERY SINGLE GOP OPERATIVE says it.
Michelle Malkin, for some ungodly reason, shows up to the convention and meets a 9/11 Troofer by the name of Alex Jones. The results... well...
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The neocons are claiming a death threat... I can't hear it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio)
I have no doubt that O is going to lose this election, and lose it bad. I think people need to understand that a vote for McCain IS a vote for the Democratic Party, and that vote is the only hope it has got.
No, I won’t be watching O’s speech.
Tonight, this Nation saw Hillary Clinton. This Nation, tonight, will fall in love. She is up there with Bill!
the southern strat of 68? sounds famililar. thanks for the book, experiment. Was teh author a dem/liberal, btw?
Awesome speech...too bad she's not on the ticket.
You know something like that isn't true when EVERY SINGLE GOP OPERATIVE says it. For all she's well liked by a majority of Democrats, a majority of Americans (all Republicans and most Independents) still don't like her and putting her on the ticket would have only mobilized them. Plus, the double minority dip ticket isn't gonna work any time soon.
Tell your grandma to get a grip.
Tell your grandma to get a grip.
Guys, the more I listen, the more I think that Bill is going SO over the top that he’s making it obvious.
This is getting amusing. He knows the fool is going to lose, so he is saying, "Oh, yeah he walks on water and cured cancer!”
It’s almost funny. Deniable mockery. He is calling attention to the VERY areas where everyone knows Obama is weak.
Crushed, wtf.
QuoteGuys, the more I listen, the more I think that Bill is going SO over the top that he’s making it obvious.
This is getting amusing. He knows the fool is going to lose, so he is saying, "Oh, yeah he walks on water and cured cancer!”
It’s almost funny. Deniable mockery. He is calling attention to the VERY areas where everyone knows Obama is weak.
FOR FUCKS SAKE WHAT IN THE FUCKING SHIT
what's a littlesaber rattlingsword fighting among friends? :-*
:lol
I liked Biden's speech last night, 'cept of course about Georgia.
Best line of the convention so far:
something something Power of our example rather than the example of our power
omg :bow2
The economy grew at a 3.3% clip last quarter.
Pretty much cuts the legs out from the DEMs. But, we'll still probably hear doom and gloom tonight.
The economy grew at a 3.3% clip last quarter.
Pretty much cuts the legs out from the DEMs. But, we'll still probably hear doom and gloom tonight.
lol Biden, not really a slam so much as a "Lol Biden"
lol Biden, not really a slam so much as a "Lol Biden"
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/29/alg_invescofield.jpg)
that's what all the fuss was about
It doesn't look like "an ancient Greek temple" at all. It's a tiny bit overdone, and the podium on the raised step platform is pretty tacky when paired with it, but that's it. It looks like the backdrop for a college graduation.
lol Biden, not really a slam so much as a "Lol Biden"
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he sounds and almost looks just like Michael from the Office in that video. Too bad he didn't break out the accent
ONLY NINETY NINE CENT
The economy grew at a 3.3% clip last quarter.
Pretty much cuts the legs out from the DEMs. But, we'll still probably hear doom and gloom tonight.
But the numbers are misleading, said John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a right-leaning Dallas-based think tank. Mr. Goodman, who helped craft Sen. John McCain's health care policy, said anyone with access to an emergency room effectively has insurance, albeit the government acts as the payer of last resort. (Hospital emergency rooms by law cannot turn away a patient in need of immediate care.)
"So I have a solution. And it will cost not one thin dime," Mr. Goodman said. "The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American – even illegal aliens – as uninsured. Instead, the bureau should categorize people according to the likely source of payment should they need care.
"So, there you have it. Voila! Problem solved."
Mr. Goodman, who helped craft Sen. John McCain's health care policy, said anyone with access to an emergency room effectively has insurance
Country and then some sort of Michael Bay soundtrack.
You know, it's gotta simultaneously suck and rule to be a Republican. On the one hand, you have no ideas on how to do anything other than appeal to people's base fears.
i may support obama but that sppeech he just gave is overrated. it wasn't even a speech, just a coda. the way he congratulated his wife and the clintons particpation in the dnc is pretty fucking youthful and great. but....that's it.
that said, the dnc this year is really awesome. i still think mccain has a HIGH CHANCE [like 50-50 rightn ow] of taking teh White house.
I was bummed and was doing shots, shooters and pints of beer at a bar with a friend (listening to a horrible cover band) while this was airing. Did I miss anything? Is McCain STILL going to be the President?
Palin works for swing vote middle class soccer moms. She even looks like them.
McCain is awful at ... treating his wife like a person
Federwang, I'll just remind you that as late as mid February you were convinced Hillary was gonna be the nominee.
I can't wait for the debates.
Obama is going to make that old piece of shit sweat bullets like he was back in a POW camp.
Oh man, it is going to be so, so awesome.
I think Obama might be the first candidate that SNL might be unable to make fun of because he can make their whole show look like bullshit.
I hope Kanye West throws a Obama concert, and they bring somebody that looks like McCain on the stage, and then Kanye punches the McCain look-alike across the jaw so he has to get his jaw wired shut and have a tumor growing out the side of his mouth just like McCain. It would be just so awesome.
You guys are insane if you think that just by picking a one term female Gov. (who happens to be embroiled in a mini-scandal in Alaska right now) means McCain is any more electable.
Uh, I don't know how to respond to Wolf Gang. It's kind of like that Seinfeld episode where George said, "Well, yeah, I slept with your wife!" and the board room is horrified. I feel like the board room.Federwang, I'll just remind you that as late as mid February you were convinced Hillary was gonna be the nominee.
Oh, come on, who wasn't? Wasn't that the essence of a lot of talking points from the DNC - this underdog made it when we were all so sure Hillary had it in the bag. There were a few Dem dissenters to that foregone conclusion, but not many!
Also I wonder if the hardcore hardcore Clinton people will be so disgusted by this "generic"-woman-not-named-Hillary that they turn up for Obama in mass. They've made it clear that all they care about is Hillary, not the issues. Palin as VP gives her a very good chance of becoming the first female president, simply due to McCain's age.
Isn't she in some sort of controversy in Alaska at the moment?
edit: Staunchly pro-life, yet a supporter of capital punishment... :-\
Opposes gay-marriage, but it's cool "I have like some gay friends"
Other than that, she seems okay. Pretty good choice, yet I doubt it was for any other reason than her being a woman.
Isn't she in some sort of controversy in Alaska at the moment?
In a press conference this afternoon, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) conceded that someone inside her administration pressured the state's Department of Public Safety to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's former brother-in-law, who is now embroiled in a bitter custody battle with Palin's sister.
Palin's statement is the latest in what has come to be known around Alaska as "Wooten-gate." The scandal began on July 11, when Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was fired from his post with little explanation, a move that quickly raised questions in Alaska.
A few days later, Monegan came forward, stating that he had been pressured by those around Palin to fire Wooten -- but had refused to do so -- a choice that he believes led to his sudden dismissal. Palin denied Monegan's accusations, and a Legislative Council has appointed a special commission to probe the matter.
In today's conference, Palin said that state troopers had taped a phone call from Frank Bailey, Palin's director of boards and commissions whom she appointed last August, in which Bailey inquired about having Wooten fired.
At the press conference today, Palin distanced herself from Bailey's actions claiming that he acted alone, but the recordings suggest that he was acting at her instigation.
"The Palins can't figure out why nothing's going on," Bailey said in the recorded phone call. "So Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads saying 'Why is this guy representing the department, he's a horrible recruiting tool.' You know? So from their perspective everybody's protecting him. . . Audi probably disagrees with me, Walt [Monegan] does and I understand it's really touchy, but I just want you to understand that cops that use excessive force or go out of the lines, they just have no tolerance, because they've seen the facts personally."
Bailey has yet to comment. Calls to his phone went directly to voice mail.
any increase in mccains chances to 'get in' makes me GRRR
I was bummed and was doing shots, shooters and pints of beer at a bar with a friend (listening to a horrible cover band) while this was airing. Did I miss anything? Is McCain STILL going to be the President?
yeah i know what you mean :-/any increase in mccains chances to 'get in' makes me GRRR
It will be interesting. Frankly I think that Obama's time to shine was in the summer. This was when the GOP was the most disorganized and the fact that he and McCain wound up being neck and neck is disturbing and makes me pessimistic, which is why I keep thinking Obama is the Dukakis of 2008. I'd love to be wrong and in fact, I hope I am. Obama should have had a constant 10-20 pt lead over McCain.
yeah i know what you mean :-/any increase in mccains chances to 'get in' makes me GRRR
It will be interesting. Frankly I think that Obama's time to shine was in the summer. This was when the GOP was the most disorganized and the fact that he and McCain wound up being neck and neck is disturbing and makes me pessimistic, which is why I keep thinking Obama is the Dukakis of 2008. I'd love to be wrong and in fact, I hope I am. Obama should have had a constant 10-20 pt lead over McCain.
on a serious note: Palin Pick is a bit of a shocker for me. I didn't think Mccain would be gutsy enough for such a risky pick. I at least think that McCain wont be as bad as Obamaphiles make him out to be, if only because he seems so feisty and unpreditable sometimes
I dunno, the pick makes me think McCain has been paying too much attention to the Hillary/PUMA movement
I dunno, the pick makes me think McCain has been paying too much attention to the Hillary/PUMA movement
That's my first reaction too.
The McCain campaign and its surrogates have really tried to push the "Hillary was dissed" meme and I think they're massively overestimating the traction they can get out of it.
David Brooks is driven into drooling incoherence (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/opinion/29brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin) by the prospect of an Obama victory.
In his mind I'm sure it's a brilliant satire.
Biden sure is going to have an easy time at any VP debates. He'll impale her whore ass.
You guys are overthinking the Palin viewpoint.I think it's been generally found that woman do not like pretty women in politics. Also the fact that these soccer mums put their children ahead of their careers and when Palin is seemingly seen as striding ahead with her policital ambitions when her disabled son is at home might jive with their socially conservative views.
Palin represents the swing voter soccer moms because soccer moms are very superficial. Palin looks like them, has similar convictions than them, and proves that you don't have to be a raging baby killing feminist like Hillary Clinton to be a woman in politics. Palin is the kind of woman you'd see getting her Starbucks latte every morning, going to work, and then making sure that she brings her Aerostar or her Grand Cherokee to pick up the kids at 3 pm.
It doesn't matter what her viewpoints are because it is unlikely she will implement them. It isn't like she is capable of firebombing legislation. She is just there for show, which is a lot of times, the traditional VP role.
Her job is make sure that the soccer moms vote for McCain/Palin and a lot of them will, where they might have went to Obama, a black man and the last time she saw a black man was on MTV rapping about guns and bitches.
any increase in mccains chances to 'get in' makes me GRRR
It will be interesting. Frankly I think that Obama's time to shine was in the summer. This was when the GOP was the most disorganized and the fact that he and McCain wound up being neck and neck is disturbing and makes me pessimistic, which is why I keep thinking Obama is the Dukakis of 2008. I'd love to be wrong and in fact, I hope I am. Obama should have had a constant 10-20 pt lead over McCain.
As far as I am concerned, Obama's saving grace is doing as many televised debates as he can and hopes that the disenfranchised and apathetic come out of the woodwork and vote in droves for Obama. I'm not holding my breath on that one because they didn't bother to show up in 2000 or 2004.
You guys are overthinking the Palin viewpoint.I think it's been generally found that woman do not like pretty women in politics. Also the fact that these soccer mums put their children ahead of their careers and when Palin is seemingly seen as striding ahead with her policital ambitions when her disabled son is at home might jive with their socially conservative views.
Palin represents the swing voter soccer moms because soccer moms are very superficial. Palin looks like them, has similar convictions than them, and proves that you don't have to be a raging baby killing feminist like Hillary Clinton to be a woman in politics. Palin is the kind of woman you'd see getting her Starbucks latte every morning, going to work, and then making sure that she brings her Aerostar or her Grand Cherokee to pick up the kids at 3 pm.
It doesn't matter what her viewpoints are because it is unlikely she will implement them. It isn't like she is capable of firebombing legislation. She is just there for show, which is a lot of times, the traditional VP role.
Her job is make sure that the soccer moms vote for McCain/Palin and a lot of them will, where they might have went to Obama, a black man and the last time she saw a black man was on MTV rapping about guns and bitches.
I think he wrote this one, the 2004 keynote speech, and the race speech himself.