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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: GilloD on August 25, 2008, 10:58:15 AM
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Literally distinguished mentally-challenged. I always had the undertsanding that IE was a little behind the times, but now that I'm coding my first "really real" website, the difference is just. It may as well be two seperate sets of code for IE and Firefox. IE is throwing weird spacings everywhere. Ugh.
Is there a sort of guide to the kinds of things I'll need to compensate for in IE?
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:punch
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most of the world uses ie. just because some body creates a specification and calls it a "standard" doesn't mean it IS the standard -- the standard is the browser with the highest usage/adoption. code for ie, and fix for firefox and other, lesser browsers.
:bow :bow ie :bow2 :bow2
:piss crappy open-source browsers used by incompetent contrarians :piss2
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lewlz
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What the professor said.
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Yeah, compensating for the most popular browser is ???
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It may as well be two seperate sets of code for IE and Firefox. IE is throwing weird spacings everywhere. Ugh.
if you're having real trouble, try making a seperate stylesheet for IE and load it in conditional comments maybe? like so, in the head tag:
<!--[if IE]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="stylesheetforie.css">
<![endif]-->
it makes your regular stylesheet load unless someone views the page with IE, in which case the conditional comment kicks in and loads the IE stylesheet where you can make the needed compensations. i had to do it on my website.
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Fuck firefox. IE8 B2 plz
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It may as well be two seperate sets of code for IE and Firefox. IE is throwing weird spacings everywhere. Ugh.
if you're having real trouble, try making a seperate stylesheet for IE and load it in conditional comments maybe? like so, in the head tag:
<!--[if IE]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="stylesheetforie.css">
<![endif]-->
it makes your regular stylesheet load unless someone views the page with IE, in which case the conditional comment kicks in and loads the IE stylesheet where you can make the needed compensations. i had to do it on my website.
I may do this. I tried using a reset lib, but there are just a bazillion tiny things.
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:piss IE
There oughta be a law against this shit :maf
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I wish I still knew hot to code cool websites :(
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i am using IE right now and it is god awful. I try to dl firefox and it gives me some bullshit and takes forever to load so I don't even bother.
Jesus Christ on a stick, it's like I'm back in the 90's and I used 56k to dl mp3s from morpheus. Got damn.
I hate IE.
The interface is shit. Why the fuck is the back and forward buttons AT THE VERY TOP OF THE BROWSER and why the hell are the refresh and stop buttons on the right of the address bar? Fuck IE.
Christ, IE can't even save your messages automatically if you accidentally press a button.
Write something in the post text box in IE at evilore. Press the main page or whatever and try to go back. Chances are, sihtty IE no longer has your post.
Now, do the same thing with Firefox. It kept your post! Holy shit!
I fucking hate IE.
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IE7 is good enough with standards that generally speaking you don't have to worry about it doing something completely weird, and the combination of IE7 + FF is what "most" web visitors are using nowadays. This is why most web developers will code to the standards, preview in FF, and create separate iefixes stylesheets for IE6's overall shittyness.
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IE7 isn't so bad. It's just IE6 that needs to be purged from this earth :punch
Firefox is also used by devs because of plugins like Firebug. Firebug :bow2
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IE7 isn't so bad. It's just IE6 that needs to be purged from this earth :punch
Firefox is also used by devs because of plugins like Firebug. Firebug :bow2
MS should have made IE7 a forced update, really. No idea why they didn't.
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you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop
he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"
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you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop
he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"
:lol
My dad has been complaining all last week when I upgraded his labtop from XP to 32bit Vista Business without his consent.
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IE7 made cross-compatibility much more easier (transparent PNGs!), but when you have to work with the plebes who are still on IE5 even then it all goes to shit
My solution: Fuck em, get 7 or get out
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you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop
he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"
:lol
My dad has been complaining all last week when I upgraded his labtop from XP to 32bit Vista Business without his consent.
well, my dad bitched so much about vista "WHAR DID ALL MAH PROGR'MS GOOO!!!" that me and my brother rolled him back to xp, and then he STILL kept bitching about vista because he forgot he was back on xp. when we reminded him, he told us we were full of shit and had tricked him -- that he was sure it was still vista because HE COULDN'T FIND THINGS. out of the blue, he said MEBBE AH SHOULD TRY MACINTOSH CUZ I HEAR IT JUST WORKS (and this is after a lifetime of hating macs), which also explains why most non-tvc mac users are so fucking dumb about computers in general.
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IE7 made cross-compatibility much more easier (transparent PNGs!), but when you have to work with the plebes who are still on IE5 even then it all goes to shit
My solution: Fuck em, get 7 or get out
demi: only real web developer on evilbore :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
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I would love so much to use transparent pngs all over the place :-*
And the hacks just don't cut it.
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http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
:bow IE8 :bow2
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and the amazing thing is IE6 is supremely dominant in most mass-manafucatured computers for public use. because IE 7 breaks too much shit.
:piss IE
:bow Opera/FF
:bow competence, open source
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you shoulda heard my old man bitch after i installed ie7 over ie6 on his laptop
he sounded like himumu "ah cain't find shit! whar's mah buttons? whar's mah bookmarks? what yew done to mah computer??"
Sounds more like Ian or whoever from Mary Worth.
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I like Firefox because of its extensions.
*runs*
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I'm mostly a mac user, so I use camino/firefox primarily. IE7 has been pretty solid, which I use primarily at work for web enterprise apps like Salesforce.com. IE6 is the devil, tho. What a piece of crap. I gave up on firefox due to its memory leak issues. I heard the new version has fixed that issue, tho.
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if i didn't have this (https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/722) and this, (https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/1865) i'd be pretty paranoid about pretty much any site. with them, i don't worry about anything and i don't even need an antivirus or spybot or anything really. and this (https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-BR/firefox/addon/3006) is useful too. i started using ff before version 1.0 came out and never looked back.
:piss ie :piss2
from my experience ie7 leaks memory everywhere too, and i wasn't even using it for the shady sites.
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leaks memory? as bad as ff/ff2 do?
that said, i doubt any of you have ever hooked ie7 up to a profiler, so wtf are you on about
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While FF3 craps all over IE7 in almost every test I've seen, Webkit / Safari is the new God of Browsers Above All Else--although, the recent FF nightlies are supposed to be even *more* superior over busted old IE7. There's a huge spark in browser competition because of this rivalry between otherwise unmatched foes. Definitely check either out if you even remotely care about performance, since they all dominate so completely over busted old garbage only the ignorant use.
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'busted old IE7'? Jesus it doesnt matter WHAT you talk about, you still sound fukin crazy.
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he's just playing his contrarian card. when a web developer speaks on matters of software engineering, no-one actually listens
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FOES, Prole. FOES
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if any browser was good they'd let me do 100% height
but no, not so good now is it
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not so good :(
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not so fucking good.
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I just tried to do 100% height :gloomy
I always forget just how shitty these things are until I start a new site.
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is it
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I just tried to do 100% height :gloomy
I always forget just how shitty these things are until I start a new site.
bu bu bu webkit
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IE7 is old. That's why they're releasing 8. In a lot of ways 8 will catch up to the work FF and Webkit have been doing but IE7 itself isn't that hot in comparison. Although I invite either you or Prole to actually add an argument other than NO YOU CRAZY, if you actually spend more than a minute reviewing any comparison that's been done between the apps, you'd come to a similar conclusion.
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No this is the same fucking shit you do in the political threads. We invest time trying to refute your bullshit, then you just shit more out of yer puckered little ass to make more. ARhghghghhg
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i am PRETTY sure i know quite a bit more about ie7, ie8, and their competition than all of this forum combined
for example, i will not try to tell patel that age of conan outperforms wow, no matter what i believe to be true and the presence of many various biased tests i have undertaken to try and prove my point
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bobobobo slashdot said
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I just tried to do 100% height :gloomy
I always forget just how shitty these things are until I start a new site.
bu bu bu webkit
I was using FF3, they're all kinda shit :gloomy
Or am I missing some ff power?
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Lets appreciate Safari and its one useful feature 'copy image address'
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i am PRETTY sure i know quite a bit more about ie7, ie8, and their competition than all of this forum combined
for example, i will not try to tell patel that age of conan outperforms wow, no matter what i believe to be true and the presence of many various biased tests i have undertaken to try and prove my point
So stop being a douche, and actually show something from your unbiased tests. That way you can be right and show you're right.
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bobobobo slashdot said
hey, i'm not gonna get in the direct path of the "vista sucks lol" and "ie sucks lol" memes, because for 80% of the shithead internet, perception has invariably dictated reality
a shame that thinking they have anime girlfriends can't likewise dictate reality, if only because it might take them away from the keyboard
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i am PRETTY sure i know quite a bit more about ie7, ie8, and their competition than all of this forum combined
for example, i will not try to tell patel that age of conan outperforms wow, no matter what i believe to be true and the presence of many various biased tests i have undertaken to try and prove my point
So stop being a douche, and actually show something from your unbiased tests. That way you can be right and show you're right.
mm hm. that's an absolutely terrible idea.
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Then STFU already. Seriously, put up or shut up. "OMG I can't believe you're brainwashed lol" "ok, I'm open to contrary evidence, prove everything I've read wrong" "no for some reason lol" "ok, so why are you talking again...?"
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u mad?
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My wife's work banned FF.
I have FF installed on my MacBook cause its got such a pretty icon haha. Plus it squashes all other mac compat web browsers
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Do I look mad? I'm bemused.
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I use Firefox for the hell of it, really. It does what I need it to do.
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wait, haha they were complaining everyone else used IE? hahah wtf
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Do I look mad? I'm bemused.
haha, u mad.
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If they were using IE7 I don't see what the FF users' problem was. If those IE folks want poor performance and memory leaks, so be it.
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If they were using IE7 I don't see what the FF users' problem was. If those IE folks want poor performance and memory leaks, so be it.
Its like youre channeling some crazy blog corner of the web.
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you mean slashdot?
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yes :/
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Aw, U mad. :(
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yes :/
/me diggs this post [1 digg].
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"hey, i'm not gonna get in the direct path of the "vista sucks lol" and "ie sucks lol" memes, because for 80% of the shithead internet, perception has invariably dictated reality"
I just find that IE7 is unusable for me because it doesn't support my typical usage patterns (I usually have a shitload of tabs open, as in several hundred at once). While I do prefer open-source software for my own use on ideological grounds, I never bother to apply those ideals to my work since the industry in which I work is ethically loathsome anyway, the only thing I'm interested in is doing a good job on narrow technical grounds so I can get some experience to put on my resume to put me in a better position to find more agreeable work later on. I have a lot of respect for some of the people at MS and appreciate some of their products, so when I started work I vaguely expected IE7 would be roughly on par with Firefox but for me, at least, it wasn't.
as for Vista, it seems to have become an all-purpose scapegoat for IT people, anything wrong with my computer or our network must be a Vista issue and are you sure you don't just want me to install XP for you? and here, let me just turn off UAC that should fix your problems (I've had to turn it back on 3 times). trying to impose a real security model on a culture/application ecosystem that never had one was going to be painful no matter what.
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yes, but you are an extreme outlier usage case. it is a rare application that will serve your specific needs!
you are spot-on about the it pro situation, though. unfortunately. :'(
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Vista is a bloated piece of shit. So is IE.
Everybody knows this.
It's not just rhetoric, unless you consider the truth to be rhetorical, which it should be.
Alas, I design for IE. You have to. The two minority browsers need to worry about IE compliance, not standards compliance.
I don't even know why Microsoft played nice with W3 and didn't break Netscape/Mozilla/Opera by virtue of embrace, extend, and extinguish.
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leaks memory? as bad as ff/ff2 do?
the only version to give me any problems was 1.5 and its variants. it had a security bug in extensions iirc and i recall having it crashing more than a handful of times. either way, the memory consumption in ie and firefox isn't even comparable. i open 3 tabs on ie7 and it's already up to 50 mbs, whereas ff2 can hold up to +100 tabs and still use ~100. with firefox 3 it's less than 80.
not to mention you can stop the browser from eating crap with the extensions i posted, greasemonkey and whatever else. with ie7, all you can do is watch some hot chihuahua on bbw and and hope for the memory to come back somehow.
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Per their blog, the IE team understands and has been doing a lot to address the memory issues in IE7. IE7 really is like the Dreamcast of browsers. From what I saw of IE8 it really could be a great main browser, on par or better than the alternatives, and I think by the time it comes out, there will be enough of a push to upgrade systems that folks will just migrate directly from 6 to 8 in the process--or at least that's my hope. I'm not sure they have the desire to keep as robust an update schedule as Mozilla or some of the smaller ops (Opera, Webkit), but the more sophisticated browsers become the less I think that really matters; in terms of actual feature additions the list is pretty small for all of them.
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My browser of choice is Firefox 3. Fixes the memory issues that ruined FF2 (on PC) for me, and it has extensions. Getting the most out of the web is having the del.icio.us plugin, piclens, adblock plus, and downloadhelper.
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Okay well I finally downloaded FF 3 to try out on my Mac. Seems pretty cool so far, but is there a way to enable three finger forward/back function?
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I can help you enable the five knuckle shuffle function...
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Oh my.
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guys, I've just been working on some code that automates mshtml.dll and ... sorry, but IE just has to go. :-X
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Ubiquity just fucked IE in the ass.
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lol why do you need to be a high level browser expert to judge that IE is a piece of shit
you USE them. you evaluate them based on consumer experience
by user experience, everyone knows IE is the Wii of browsers. As immensely popular as it is outdated and regressive.
Competition is always good, however. That said, Mozilla has proven that Open Source is not all hippy liberal communist socialist Mary Jane talk that I initially assumed it and therefore dismissed it. Commie Open Source is just as capable of tremendous products superior to capitalist-monopolists' products like FF vs IE. And it's also capable of fanboyism from Linuxtards.
in fairness tho: Mentioning Vista and IE in the same sentence is a grave insult to Vista. Vista is at least usable, if disappointing. serviceable, if unimpressive. Plus you have no choice. [if you care about compatibility or gaming]
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personally I think the govt (by which I of course mean the global govt of the new world order) should just (inter-)nationalize MS and open all the code. Ayn Rand eat your heart out. too bad the DOJ wimped out :'(
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Streaming video on Firefox is so hit or miss. Most of the time, I can't watch YouTube vids for more than 2 seconds without freezing. Is there a fix for this?
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:punch
wow u have a hot picture under your name, holy shit tits
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LOL ALL THE IE FANTARDS ARE OWNED
MEET UBIQUITY BEECHES
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Opera
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YOU GONNA HAFTA TELL EM WHAT TIME IT IS PROFESSOR
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http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/internet-explorer-8-beta-2-now-available.aspx
IE8 beta 2 is up.
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Its puzzling that people who take time to discuss browsers on a message board consider themselves capable of gauging the common user experience.