THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: bork on August 28, 2008, 05:38:03 AM
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Just got turned down by yet another company for "lack of experience." I'm scratching my head over this when the stupid recruiting website has it listed under "no experience required."
For those of you who have been unemployed, what did you do to get your mind off of things? It's been about a month now and I have unfortunately been turned down by the few interviews I have gone to (again for lack of experience, and again all of these were listed as entry-level jobs on the websites) or found the companies to be dishonest (one outright lied to me, the other is a scam operation). One company even asked me why I bothered applying when they only hire people with at least five years' worth of experience. Uh, because it says "NO EXPERIENCE NECESSARY," perhaps? ::) Guess I shouldn't blame the companies but the distinguished mentally-challenged sites these jobs are being listed on.
Maybe it's time to go back to the States and/or go back to school. Hate where I'm living (hickville, Japan with the in-laws), hate the huge amount of "nothing" that is my daily life, and hate shelling out tons of cash to go all the way to Tokyo for interviews that then inform me I don't have the experience.
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You're not alone. I wouldn't complain if half the jobs that state this requirement actually needed an employee with experience. Brainless shit such as answering phones/data entry/security/basic bookkeeping does not require much more prowess than picking your nose, yet apparently it takes 2-5 years of practice in order to perform these tasks adequately enough to get paid a measly 12.50 an hour. I've never really had the problem of the job being incorrectly listed though. That's just bad luck :(
I'm honestly considering just enlisting in the Air Force and going to school part time during those 4 years. Beats paying out of my pocket for tuition. Plus, I wouldn't have to worry about subsisting on some horrible salary for a job that I will probably never get anyway
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Yeah I made a thread like this recently. Job hunting is pretty sucky. My current contract ends next week so Its back on the pile for me
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Right out of college I applied for a job that paid $14 an hour. I was more than qualified because it was an assistant job and a job that I had before with a different company. The homo actually had the nerve to tell me I need to take a free internship somewhere before I have the experience necessary. WTF why did you bring my ass in for an interview if you think i dont have enough experience. And how much fucking experience do you need for $14 an hour.
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i absolutely despise job hunting.
esp when you're trying to find something else to do for a job than what you've been doing.
but my worst was when i was unemployed for 6 months basically living in a squat
that ruled.
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All these guys are doing by bringing you in is meeting quotas. They have to interview a certain number of people, in the right demographics, before they can give the job to their buddy in the other department anyway.
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I'll be job hunting tomorrow :'(
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Job hunting does suck OP, and yes it is nearly impossible to land a job with no experience despite the fact that job listings say "no experience". I received my Master's back in December 2006 at the tender age of 23, landed an internship in my first interview that lasted until April of 2007, and haven;t been employed since. I've had close to 40 interviews since then and I've gone through every temp agency I could find and still no luck.
Also, I would recommend forgoing the temp agencies. I have been in contact with 5-7 different agencies over the last year and they haven't been able to get me a single interview. It is much easier to get the interview yourself or through someone you know (which is my problem, since I never networked in school).
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All these guys are doing by bringing you in is meeting quotas. They have to interview a certain number of people, in the right demographics, before they can give the job to their buddy in the other department anyway.
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My wife and I have decided to file for a visa for her to go to the States. That process should take about 4-6 months. If I can't find anything here by then, we are outta here, I'm going back to school (looking at a career in IT), and she will learn English. Then maybe we will come back here after that since jobs for that field seem to be in abundance.
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When I moved to the Seattle area after my first two years of college I was jobless and living with friends for three months. I passed the time with A LOT of BF1942 before I ended up getting the job. Back then I didnt have the work ethic I do now, and that is probably what allowed me to get entirely lost in bf1942 for THREE MONTHS. Nowadays if I was unemployed i'd probably be going as nuts as you.
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I'm going to die I think. I've never really had to look for a job. I always got really lucky, especially with this one. I've never felt the stress of unemployment and it's already pretty depressing and I'm not even unemployed for 4 more hours. Fuck.
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If for some reason I was looking for a job again and I couldnt find something within three months id get retail management as short term since ive got the experience and it pays 'decent' then after a year of that i'd start the job hunt again, while employed
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When I moved to the Seattle area after my first two years of college I was jobless and living with friends for three months. I passed the time with A LOT of BF1942 before I ended up getting the job. Back then I didnt have the work ethic I do now, and that is probably what allowed me to get entirely lost in bf1942 for THREE MONTHS. Nowadays if I was unemployed i'd probably be going as nuts as you.
I just feel lucky that both here and back home, I have a place to go and live rent-free, even have most of my food bills footed to boot. Haven't played too many games though; this shit makes me worry endlessly. I gotta get over it. But now I have stuff to do to get ready to (likely) move back home, so I'll at least be occupied doing other stuff in the mean time.
I'm going to die I think. I've never really had to look for a job. I always got really lucky, especially with this one. I've never felt the stress of unemployment and it's already pretty depressing and I'm not even unemployed for 4 more hours. Fuck.
Exact same thing with me. This has all been new; back when I finished university, I kind of felt the same way, but at the time I still had my old retail job and I was waiting to see if I got the job I just finished up last month.
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When I moved to the Seattle area after my first two years of college I was jobless and living with friends for three months. I passed the time with A LOT of BF1942 before I ended up getting the job. Back then I didnt have the work ethic I do now, and that is probably what allowed me to get entirely lost in bf1942 for THREE MONTHS. Nowadays if I was unemployed i'd probably be going as nuts as you.
I just feel lucky that both here and back home, I have a place to go and live rent-free, even have most of my food bills footed to boot. Haven't played too many games though; this shit makes me worry endlessly. I gotta get over it. But now I have stuff to do to get ready to (likely) move back home, so I'll at least be occupied doing other stuff in the mean time.
I'm going to die I think. I've never really had to look for a job. I always got really lucky, especially with this one. I've never felt the stress of unemployment and it's already pretty depressing and I'm not even unemployed for 4 more hours. Fuck.
Exact same thing with me. This has all been new; back when I finished university, I kind of felt the same way, but at the time I still had my old retail job and I was waiting to see if I got the job I just finished up last month.
I think with BF1942 it was easier cause its clear a person can get wrapped up in the rivalry and channel a lot of the jobless angst into pegging a guy with a well placed shot from your no4 rifle.
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You guys need to stop talking all this scary shit! I hate my job so much I just fantasize all day about punching my boss and walking out the door. I will never be able to do that if you guys keep scaring the shit out of me with this talk about how hard it is to get a job!!
:'(
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I'm going to die I think. I've never really had to look for a job. I always got really lucky, especially with this one. I've never felt the stress of unemployment and it's already pretty depressing and I'm not even unemployed for 4 more hours. Fuck.
that sucks mups. :dizzy gl
Lyte, what were you doing before? Are you trying to get back in with that? I don't know how different things are over there, but your waifu/her fam couldn't hook you up in any way?
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Brainless shit such as answering phones/data entry/security/basic bookkeeping does not require much more prowess than picking your nose, yet apparently it takes 2-5 years of practice in order to perform these tasks adequately enough to get paid a measly 12.50 an hour.
What I want to know is how uneducated people get these jobs to begin with. I see alot of accounting jobs posted that only require a high school education and a few years experience, but who the hell fits that bill? I have interviewed for several bookkeeping positions and I know that I have been passed over for someone else that doesn't have a degree, let alone a fucking Master's degree.
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I'm going to die I think. I've never really had to look for a job. I always got really lucky, especially with this one. I've never felt the stress of unemployment and it's already pretty depressing and I'm not even unemployed for 4 more hours. Fuck.
Exact same thing with me. This has all been new; back when I finished university, I kind of felt the same way, but at the time I still had my old retail job and I was waiting to see if I got the job I just finished up last month.
Yeah, that's how I was before this job. I was working some shit jobs, but I had income and I was making it. I've never actually been on a job junt. The closest I came was spending two hours searching and getting two job offers that day.
But now I'm scared because I've mostly got office management and administrative experience but that sector seems to be winding down a lot. I fear I'm going to get stuck in a shit job with shit pay again hating my life even more.
I don't know even know how I should go about this. Should I take the first halfway "decent" (lol) job that I get offered or should I hold out? But what if I don't find an actual good job soon? How long is too long? Fuck.
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getting a good job is rarely about the requirements or the resume. it's about how well you sell yourself and your potential, and, yes, who you know. a guy with little experience can come in and get a great job if a) he/she researches the position well; b) discusses how he/she is a good fit for the job; and c) comes with a recommendation by someone already trusted by the hiring manager.
ALWAYS network, network, network. almost EVERY position gets filled by someone recommended into the role by a person trusted by the hiring manager. the worst thing you can do to your career is to hole up in the role and not constantly be making useful "friends" in the biz that you can lean on when the shit goes down -- and who trust that they can do the same with you. your career is never independent unless you really REALLY love stress. you need the folks around you to sustain your career.
it will take quite a while for you to get even a mediocre job by going into interviews "cold". do what maf says: take a retail job, build those connections, and then leave it when you've set up things in your favor. that means: a) pump friends/family to look for opportunities for you, b) start really researching roles in the industry that you want to do, and c) develop a fully-fleshed career path narrative that you can use to sell yourself in interviews.
one's first real job hunt, along with one's first real relationship, one's first firing/layoff, and one's first brush with death, are the things that turn you from an foc-like manchild into a real, nuanced adult -- and force you to recognize how much you depend on those around you, no matter how smart or talented you think you are.
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I've been slacking on this front myself. Since the one capable manager I get along with is leaving the current place this Tuesday I ought to get crackin'. Being hardly able to breathe for the last week hasn't exactly helped my motivation, but it is most certainly past time to find new digs. Also I think my current boss wants to sack me, I dunno if I'd just laugh in his face or cuss him out. :lol
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one's first real job hunt, along with one's first real relationship, one's first firing/layoff, and one's first brush with death, are the things that turn you from an foc-like manchild into a real, nuanced adult.
seems like tomorrow will complete my transformation into an adult!
if I don't blow my brains out drunk as shit tonight (brush with death) thanks to the layoffs, I'll go on my first job hunt tomorrow.
I :rock
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Prole is right, unfortunately.
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Prole is correct. A lot of times, it is all a big circle jerk and if you're not in the jerk, you will find it very hard. It is how guys with a 2.5 GPA can find a job before graduating and someone with a 3.8 will struggle. Reason? Networking. Of course, there is more behind it than just the GPA.
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it's pretty naively american to think that just being academically/intellectually gifted and studious will plop you into a great job.
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Prole! :bow2 Unfortunately in my case, I don't know anyone in the recruiting biz that I could have gotten a good recommendation from. I did have a few people in the gaming industry (amazingly people I initially "met" on the internet! :o) ask me if I was interested in some jobs, but I wasn't qualified for them. That was also due to a lack of Japanese skills. I have been looking at these interviews as experience, since I really have had no interview experience before this.
I guess if my contract ending counts as a "layoff," I am meeting all of your qualifications to become a real adult. :lol
Lyte, what were you doing before? Are you trying to get back in with that? I don't know how different things are over there, but your waifu/her fam couldn't hook you up in any way?
Teaching English on the JET program. It's the "creme de la creme" of English teaching jobs here and is tough to get into. But there is a limit; most boards of education will only let you recontract twice (so up to three years) and some will let you go for a fourth and/or fifth year. My area was three years only. As much as I enjoyed my job (especially in the last two years), it's not something I would have wanted to make a career out of anyway. I don't think teaching is for me. I guess za waifusu family could let me work in their garden and rice fields for some cash, and live in their house for eternity. Yeah. That...sounds...fu-UDUHFUFHUDSFHOFOIDFHOD OFIFHOSAEUIFHEFOHFHASDOFHASDFOS :maf :maf :maf :punch :punch :punch :punch :gun :gun :gun :dizzy
It has been suckin' hard out here. Ah the stories I could post.
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you kinda have yer answer there, lyte: start cranking on those Japanese skills! language skills are a huge plus in ANY job situation, anyhow.
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you kinda have yer answer there, lyte: start cranking on those Japanese skills! language skills are a huge plus in ANY job situation, anyhow.
Yes, I am going to. Being married to a Japanese has already helped immensely in that regard. I sucked at Japanese in school but did hang in there for the entire four years offered.
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Get Rosetta Stone software. Their commercials say it really works.
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Get Rosetta Stone software. Their commercials say it really works.
I think I'm past that. :) I can communicate with my wife and her family fine (they don't speak English); my problem is more with a lack of vocabulary words and horrible kanji-reading skills. That's stuff I can learn on my own; I have the grammar down.
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Seems i am lucky here... Today i quit my job, i will go to another company with (hopefully) nicer people around, and 750 Euros more salary...
What i wanted to tell is another story, though...
A few days ago, i was the interviewer for some young guy who wants to do an apprenticeship in my company, and since this was the first time for me, it was quite interesting seeing this whole mess from the other perspective. Usually when i go to a job interview (i rarely did, i got most of my programmers jobs through network, or got headhunted), i am very nervous myself, so i said to myself that i should be treating that young fellow with respect.
Well, to make a long story short, he was a complete idiot. He lied about every single thing in his resume (he wrote something like "have experience in C++, Php, HTML and have used Linux, BSD and ZETA", which is something i havent heard of before), and i guess he didn't expect somebody being on the interview who knows about such things, since he applied as a media designer.
He couldn't even write a loop or if clause in any of the languages he wrote about. He wasn't even able to tell me how to bold a sentence in html in the simple way (no css or stuff like that).
in the end i was almost upset how much he was lying in his resume, and sent him home :D
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dude. even i can bold in HTML!
Would you have given me the job???
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dude. even i can bold in HTML!
Would you have given me the job???
Well, thats the point. You know he was "just" applying for an apprenticeship, not a full job. So he is supposed to learn those things at my company, and after three years he would have some certificate as a Media Designer or "Fach Informatiker" (kind of a specialist at a part of computer science), both of these things can be learned at my company. He is not supposed to be an expert of these.
He just wanted to boast, and got caught lying, so we kicked him. Nobody wants a liar...
So, if you were able to accomplish those things you wrote about in your resume, and showed some real interest at one of the things that are done at this kind of company (web design, flash, server programming, content management systems), you would probably get this apprenticeship...
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Ok. PM your company name and stuff and I'll be on my way
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Ok. PM your company name and stuff and I'll be on my way
to Germany?
btw: i never get bored looking at your current avatar...
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this thread coupled with the recent behavior of management at my company is just soul crushing.
this job has devolved into a dead end (it wasn't a year ago)
attempts to move within the company are being blocked by my management (management who started, i should point out about a year ago)
i can't seem to even get interviews w/ my current resume/cover letter combo
interviews i do get go nowhere even though i prove myself to be interested, competent and willing to work hard.
this whole situation is just fucking depressing beyond belief. I feel like i am rotting here and there is no escape but I know that this job is killing me.
I'm already one one pill due to the stress and frustration of this place.
For example. We're now (as of Sept 1st) non-exempt (ie, Hourly employees with overtime having to be approved in advance and our supervisor is already a known incompetent sociopath). No one in my department is happy and attempts to hold meetings with management result in our agendas (which we were forced to submit in advance) being blocked.
This is probably the worst job situation I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing.
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it's pretty naively american to think that just being academically/intellectually gifted and studious will plop you into a great job.
Were you directing that at me? If so, I never said that I was expecting a great job for my degree, just a job. And I don't think it's naive to assume hiring managers to be at least somewhat objective, especially given job requirements.
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I dont think anyone should ever just EXPECT a job. Job hunting sucks, no matter how many papers you have.
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And I don't think it's naive to assume hiring managers to be at least somewhat objective, especially given job requirements.
It's not so much an objectivity issue as a lack of information one.
In terms of knowing what sort of coworker someone will be, actual experience dealing with them is a billion times more informative than resumes, letters of introduction, interviews, etc.
If a manager knows they can hire someone who has a good work ethic, some common sense, and decent interpersonal skills then why risk hiring an unknown commodity?
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ahahaha...haha...hahaha... :(
I was just asked if I wanted to extend my stay until tomorrow to help train the people who didn't get the axe. I wanted to tell them "fuck you! you fucking fired me!"
But that's gas for a whole month/groceries for a month/my light bill/my insurance
I'd feel really dumb if I went broke and had said no.
So like the pussy I am, I said sure.
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it's pretty naively american to think that just being academically/intellectually gifted and studious will plop you into a great job.
Were you directing that at me? If so, I never said that I was expecting a great job for my degree, just a job. And I don't think it's naive to assume hiring managers to be at least somewhat objective, especially given job requirements.
it wasn't directed at you. also, what mandark said. a candidate that can be vouched for by a fellow professional you trust trumps any and all paper candidates.
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After taking Preole's advice I got the job I wanted! Doing the graduate thing (and I suppose by extension entry level jobs) what you have is a lot of people with similar skills and experience. I think personality sells you quite a lot.
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ummm... what is not to like about working the rice patty?
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Let me work your rice patty :hyper
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Good luck, lyte edge. Not finding a job and going from interview to interview can be very frustrating. Try keeping your regular routine, during this time, too, like exercising, having fun, spending time with friends and family. That helps. I remember that exercise was a great reliever of the day's troubles.
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I have a job interview tomorrow with a small start up. Over the phone the guy sounded enthusiastic and was genuine impressed with my portfolio. He even thought that I was over qualified for the job, until I told him what I was currently doing.
Cross your fingers for me.
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what are you doing currently?
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I dont want to say. But it may or may not involve some sort of media/graphics/design/web. :shh
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I've been looking for a job since graduating last May. I've only had three interviews. :'(
I may have a good lead, though. :-*
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it's pretty naively american to think that just being academically/intellectually gifted and studious will plop you into a great job.
I've found that every job I've had has had NOTHING to do with my academic history. Most of the jobs I've been successful in are from getting along well with the people I work/interview with.
But Prole is right, once you get into a position and know people you're pretty much guaranteed of having places to go. Knowing people and having those people trust/believe in you is more important than anything.
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lyte -
I'm not going to sugar-coat this because that won't help. If you had 4 years of Japanese, and have been here for 3 years plus, with a Japanese wife and family, and you still can't list serious Japanese skills on your resume, you've been wasting your time. That's all there is to it. You can acquire all the Japanese language skills you'll ever need in a year if you crank away at it. You've had 7 and counting. Times a' wastin' dude.
On the other hand, if you don't want to do something with Japanese, don't waste any time on studying Japanese! It's not a language you can acquire casually. Any time spent poring over kanji is time that you could spend learning to code, for example. I see so many foreigners half-ass it with Japanese. Learning a bit of it (i.e. to the level at which most Japanese people speak English) is basically useless.
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Most of the Jet set I know (internet know, not real know...) became fairly fluent in the time they spent there. It seems like it'd be relatively easy to get a businessish job if you were fluent in both. Knowing bits, maybe you can fake it. Apply at UK/US firms?
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lyte -
I'm not going to sugar-coat this because that won't help. If you had 4 years of Japanese, and have been here for 3 years plus, with a Japanese wife and family, and you still can't list serious Japanese skills on your resume, you've been wasting your time. That's all there is to it. You can acquire all the Japanese language skills you'll ever need in a year if you crank away at it. You've had 7 and counting. Times a' wastin' dude.
On the other hand, if you don't want to do something with Japanese, don't waste any time on studying Japanese! It's not a language you can acquire casually. Any time spent poring over kanji is time that you could spend learning to code, for example. I see so many foreigners half-ass it with Japanese. Learning a bit of it (i.e. to the level at which most Japanese people speak English) is basically useless.
No doubt, no doubt. I'm not making any excuses: I didn't study enough in school. I was always loaded with classes and other things to do, and even though I loved Japanese class, I didn't spend enough time memorizing. Back then it was hard for me to stay focused. I think I have changed now, but I find I learn by doing or being there (in classes) rather than endless memorization/study. That's the kind of person that I am. In regards to my language ability, I might be wrong. I have been told I lack confidence when it comes to Japanese; I think I suck at it, but on the other hand I am getting along and speaking with people in it every day. At the end of my time on JET, I gave two speeches to both my schools in Japanese too. Wrote them in hiragana...
I would like to get more fluent in Japanese and this morning I said to my wife that I wanted her to start helping me with kanji. As a matter of fact I am going to start going through a workbook I bought right now. I feel that if I can get myself to study this stuff, a year (maybe two!) should be enough to get much, much better. But at the same time, I want to start a career first. I am at a crossroads.
Most of the Jet set I know (internet know, not real know...) became fairly fluent in the time they spent there. It seems like it'd be relatively easy to get a businessish job if you were fluent in both. Knowing bits, maybe you can fake it. Apply at UK/US firms?
Sure, when you are immersed in an area with few other foreigners you have to use Japanese all the time. And if you are studying for the JLPT, it can really help. I didn't though; my speaking ability HAS gone up but my reading ability is still bad, simply because I chose to spend my time on JET building the relationship with my now-wife and relaxing in my free time; I was under a lot of stress at times at work and just wanted to unwind at home or in my free time. I would say I SUCKED when I got here; now I'm somewhere between the beginner and conversational levels, speaking ability-wise. Could I be much better? Sure, but I definitely did improve and that is without studying.
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Good luck, lyte edge. Not finding a job and going from interview to interview can be very frustrating. Try keeping your regular routine, during this time, too, like exercising, having fun, spending time with friends and family. That helps. I remember that exercise was a great reliever of the day's troubles.
Thanks man. I have been getting more exercise (plus the in-laws have FIVE dogs that need to be walked) and it definitely helps. Although I think hurt myself doing some hip flexor exercises the other night. Hips were killing me yesterday! Better today though.
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Yeah with my AA and AS I never thought I would have the kind of job I have today. It was a combination of drive, experience, and connections.
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Indeed. You are at a crossroads. Just don't waste time trying to go down two different routes at once. Either take learning Japanese seriously and commit to a long-term stay here, or retrain back home, I'd say. Confucius say, man try to catch two rabbits end up with none ;)
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Indeed. You are at a crossroads. Just don't waste time trying to go down two different routes at once. Either take learning Japanese seriously and commit to a long-term stay here, or retrain back home, I'd say. Confucius say, man try to catch two rabbits end up with none ;)
Well, the plan would be to go back to school and study IT, then come back and work here if we feel we want to. I am not sure if I can take staying in this house for a full year jobless, although I could go down the route I really don't want to do, and work part-time at a local eikaiwa while studying. The thing is, while I really do want to improve my Japanese, I think I want to get started in a career more so than that. I realize that being fluent can of course lead to something good, but something tells me if I stay here and work part time, I'll just fall into the slump of being too tired to study. I could also just go back home and study Japanese; I know it sounds weird LEAVING JAPAN to do that, but the environment might be better for me.
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I'm getting outta Japan at the end of this year too. Fucking sick of this place, and there's fuck all work available up here. I might go to the states.
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Indeed. You are at a crossroads. Just don't waste time trying to go down two different routes at once. Either take learning Japanese seriously and commit to a long-term stay here, or retrain back home, I'd say. Confucius say, man try to catch two rabbits end up with none ;)
Well, the plan would be to go back to school and study IT, then come back and work here if we feel we want to. I am not sure if I can take staying in this house for a full year jobless, although I could go down the route I really don't want to do, and work part-time at a local eikaiwa while studying.
Tough to study while working a soul-destroying job and living in a crappy situation, but a little cashflow would of course make everything look brighter. The trick is not to let the job slowly become your 'career' though. Eikawa is for 99% of folks, a complete dead end.
edit: fuck i hate nested quotes
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Indeed. You are at a crossroads. Just don't waste time trying to go down two different routes at once. Either take learning Japanese seriously and commit to a long-term stay here, or retrain back home, I'd say. Confucius say, man try to catch two rabbits end up with none ;)
Well, the plan would be to go back to school and study IT, then come back and work here if we feel we want to. I am not sure if I can take staying in this house for a full year jobless, although I could go down the route I really don't want to do, and work part-time at a local eikaiwa while studying.
Tough to study while working a soul-destroying job and living in a crappy situation, but a little cashflow would of course make everything look brighter. The trick is not to let the job slowly become your 'career' though. Eikawa is for 99% of folks, a complete dead end.
edit: fuck i hate nested quotes
Yeah, that's why I don't want to bother. My heart is just not in it anyway. Given my situation, staying here means nothing will likely happen. I need to go back to school either way, and I can do this for free (parents are willing to foot the bill) back home. I am going out of my mind here in the inaka.
The funny thing is a friend of mine who is JLPT level 2 (or 1, can't remember) went to an intensive Japanese course at a Nagoya university after JET, and said it was largely a waste of time. His self-study is what really paid off. But he also didn't stay here and went home, and is now teaching Japanese at a high school.
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What's funny about that? at the end of the day, you have to learn it yourself even if you go to a school for a few hours a day. My eyebrows raised a bit at your comment about asking your wife to help with kanji for that very reason. No-one else can really help you much.
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What's funny about that? at the end of the day, you have to learn it yourself even if you go to a school for a few hours a day. My eyebrows raised a bit at your comment about asking your wife to help with kanji for that very reason. No-one else can really help you much.
I just wanted her to help drill me is all. It's nice to have a study partner.
I did a bit of checking, and it seems like I could probably pass the JLPT level 3 test (just need to get those Kanji down) no sweat, but I doubt I can be ready for the level 2 test a year from now. Plus if I devote all my time to that, stay here, and then fail, I have to spend another year studying and I would prefer to have a (real) job before then. I think it would be better for me to go back to school first, and then resume intensive Japanese study afterwards, although keep on studying on the side. If I do go back to the States, I have to study or I will forget those kanji.
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Huh, just found a pizzaria job in Tokyo with decent pay. I wonder if that would work (and then study). Doesn't sound as stressful as English teaching would be, although it does say "conversational Japanese." If there's no kanji reading needed, hmmm....
People are also saying the recruiting websites are sucking lately and some places aren't listing. Any other good places to look for work?
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you could act like a LA homeboy and work at a hip hop clothing store. nigerians do it.
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also, you should be able to go from level 3 to level 2 easily within a few months I think. you don't have to learn to write the kanji, just read them.
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you could act like a LA homeboy and work at a hip hop clothing store. nigerians do it.
Tell me about it! I have run into them before. There's a guy in Kanazawa with a hip hop clothing shop no foreigner will go to, but he is able to rope in clueless Japanese dudes to pay his ridiculously marked-up prices. He's had the same mannequin with the same clothing display on for the entire 3+ years I have been here. :lol
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@lyte Edge:
Same here. I stayed in Tokyo for 1 and a half years, with a japanese girlfriend, and didn't learn jack about japanese. We talked broken english all the time, which was even more stupid, since that was not even one of our home languages (mine is german). Talk about wasting time.
So, i feel you, man...
For the job: also, i didn't have any idea what to work in Tokyo. I am a good coder, but i didN#t have any idea where to start asking and applying for a job. That's the reason i went to germany again, and everything has been uphill since then again. Well, my relationship with the japanese girl went down the shitter, but there are also nice girls here in Bavaria...
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broken english rul3z #1
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@lyte Edge:
Same here. I stayed in Tokyo for 1 and a half years, with a japanese girlfriend, and didn't learn jack about japanese. We talked broken english all the time, which was even more stupid, since that was not even one of our home languages (mine is german). Talk about wasting time.
So, i feel you, man...
Nah, we only speak Japanese, but the difference is that I can throw in some English or make a weird mistake and she will still know what I am talking about.
My wife is on board with me to go to the States. She wants to go there, actually. And her parents are also being really damn supportive, so it makes me feel better. I think this could work out well; I learn IT and improve my Japanese, she learns (and hopfully becomes fluent in) English, and from there we can either work in the States or return to Japan and get much better jobs no matter where we end up living compared to how it is now.
But I am not gonna give up looking for work here in the interim time it takes for a visa to get processed. I do think I would have a better chance of finding something if I was living in a big city and not stuck in the inaka. If my wife were able to get a good job in Tokyo that could support us both while I keep looking, we'd totally go for it, but even then the cost of moving and all that other crap...
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@lyte Edge:
Same here. I stayed in Tokyo for 1 and a half years, with a japanese girlfriend, and didn't learn jack about japanese. We talked broken english all the time, which was even more stupid, since that was not even one of our home languages (mine is german). Talk about wasting time.
So, i feel you, man...
Nah, we only speak Japanese, but the difference is that I can throw in some English or make a weird mistake and she will still know what I am talking about.
My wife is on board with me to go to the States. She wants to go there, actually. And her parents are also being really damn supportive, so it makes me feel better. I think this could work out well; I learn IT and improve my Japanese, she learns (and hopfully becomes fluent in) English, and from there we can either work in the States or return to Japan and get much better jobs no matter where we end up living compared to how it is now.
But I am not gonna give up looking for work here in the interim time it takes for a visa to get processed. I do think I would have a better chance of finding something if I was living in a big city and not stuck in the inaka. If my wife were able to get a good job in Tokyo that could support us both while I keep looking, we'd totally go for it, but even then the cost of moving and all that other crap...
Well, then you are a lot better off then we were... Unless living in Japan is your absolute dream, i recommend going back to the US, and visiting Japan from time to time. But, that may be just my opinion, yours may vary ;)
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Well, then you are a lot better off then we were... Unless living in Japan is your absolute dream, i recommend going back to the US, and visiting Japan from time to time. But, that may be just my opinion, yours may vary ;)
I'm very open to living in either country. Before, I was all "JAPAN, JAPAN, LIVING ABROAD YEAH!!!!" but that is out of my system now. I can do my hobby in either country. I have friends in both countries. And I like the food in both countries, so really anything is okay by me. I think it would be more of a concern if/when we have kids. Having taught at Japanese schools, I'm not sure if I'd want my kids going to them here. But then the U.S. isn't much better. :lol
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also, you should be able to go from level 3 to level 2 easily within a few months I think. you don't have to learn to write the kanji, just read them.
you pretty much have to learn to write them. have you ever taken the test?
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Well, then you are a lot better off then we were... Unless living in Japan is your absolute dream, i recommend going back to the US, and visiting Japan from time to time. But, that may be just my opinion, yours may vary ;)
I'm very open to living in either country. Before, I was all "JAPAN, JAPAN, LIVING ABROAD YEAH!!!!" but that is out of my system now. I can do my hobby in either country. I have friends in both countries. And I like the food in both countries, so really anything is okay by me. I think it would be more of a concern if/when we have kids. Having taught at Japanese schools, I'm not sure if I'd want my kids going to them here. But then the U.S. isn't much better. :lol
I started missing so typical stuff i was able to do at home. I felt impaired somehow, cause i was so disconnected from those normal things. So if you are able to do your hobbies over there, it's already a big advantage.
I mean, i love Japan, and apart from Munich Tokyo is the city i know best in the whole world (and i have been lucky to being able to travel a lot in my twenties), but it sure is more comfortable to live at home again...
and also, kudos to your wife and especially her parents. My girls parents treated me like vermin...well not really, but it was kind of weird, if you are used to how things like that are handled over here...
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also, you should be able to go from level 3 to level 2 easily within a few months I think. you don't have to learn to write the kanji, just read them.
you pretty much have to learn to write them. have you ever taken the test?
no, but people I know who have told me you don't have to write them
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/ happy to be working at Accenture
It's my 2nd job BTW.
My company is doing some Softwarestuff for Accenture as well. How is working directly for them? They come across as a little stiff, but maybe that's just from the outside...
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In my experience, job hunting is an absolute and total waste of time and effort. I wish I'd never bothered with it, and had spent all my time unemployed studying/enjoying myself/working on personal vanity projects instead of worrying about finding a job. I never, ever found any work (not even a retail/food service/whatever position) during the years spent diligently searching, revising my resume, filling out applications, going to interviews etc etc; meanwhile all the jobs I HAVE gotten came by complete happenstance after I'd stopped looking.
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also, you should be able to go from level 3 to level 2 easily within a few months I think. you don't have to learn to write the kanji, just read them.
you pretty much have to learn to write them. have you ever taken the test?
no, but people I know who have told me you don't have to write them
They're wrong. You don't have to write them in the test but you pretty much need to know how to write them to pass it.
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why's that?
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In my experience, job hunting is an absolute and total waste of time and effort. I wish I'd never bothered with it, and had spent all my time unemployed studying/enjoying myself/working on personal vanity projects instead of worrying about finding a job. I never, ever found any work (not even a retail/food service/whatever position) during the years spent diligently searching, revising my resume, filling out applications, going to interviews etc etc; meanwhile all the jobs I HAVE gotten came by complete happenstance after I'd stopped looking.
This is why I feel I need to go back to school. I want to use that time to really learn something this time around.
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why's that?
Because you need to choose between rows of seemingly-identical kanji to answer many of the questions. In other words, you need active knowledge as well as passive knowledge, which means you basically need to be able to write them. The jump between level 3 and level 2 is pretty significant. I don't mean to be excessively harshe here, but if you really have no idea what you're talking about, it would probably be best if you didn't give people potentially life-changing advice on the subject, don't you think.
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Cormacaroni, did you finish JLPT Level 1 too?
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Cormacaroni, did you finish JLPT Level 1 too?
about 10 yrs ago :rock
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:o
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Level one is the only one worth the piece of paper it's printed on in the real world, I'm afraid. Everything else is just for keeping score with your honky friends.
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Level one is the only one worth the piece of paper it's printed on in the real world, I'm afraid. Everything else is just for keeping score with your honky friends.
So I've heard. That's also the reason why I never bothered with level 3 or 4; most jobsites have postings that require at least level 2...