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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 12:33:33 AM

Title: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 12:33:33 AM

So my sister and her husband are pretty rich (They pull down around 5-600k a year, easy.) and mildly out of touch, but they're also pretty normal folk. My family is generally liberal and even my mild-mannered mother has been swearing up and down that she'd take a shot at McCain if given the chance. Which is why a dinner-side revelation has me up the wall: My sister and her husband are voting for John McCain because "They don't think Obama can do everything he says he can".

Aside from the fact that "No, duh, you fuck head.", I'm flabbergasted that two relatively well adjusted persons are considering voting for the doom sayer and horror prophet, the speaker of Cthullu and general old guy, John McCain. I sat down to write her a letter saying, "Hey, here are some facts, your opinons are your own, but I figured you might like to know more about xyz". I got about 700 words in before I realized I'd written something that might as well have read, "From the desk of Ron Paul:".

What I need your help with: Help me define some key issues other than JOHN MCCAIN WILL LITERALLY DESTROY, THIS COUNTRY and ALSO HE IS EMBARRASSING. Sources are nice. Untapped wells of controversey are good for a little rhetorical "umph", but I'm looking to start from facts and build pathos outward.

I have this general philosophy that McCain is and old-style politician completely unsuited for the global political sphere, but I'm not that that carries a whole lot of weight.

Let's draft a killer letter together that's less CRAZY DESPERATE and more HEY GOOD SENSE

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Bocsius on September 02, 2008, 12:35:18 AM

If I made as much money as them, it would be a given I would vote for McCain, too.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: demi on September 02, 2008, 12:36:21 AM

You get them on your bad side and its bye-bye handouts. You're on your own with this one. I'll take the money!

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 02, 2008, 12:38:01 AM

Yeah I totally see why theyre goin mccain

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 12:40:28 AM

obama's gonna tax their pasty WASP asses to hell and back

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2008, 12:49:35 AM

I'd probably start off with "I'm a liberal douchebag and I think I know everything there is to know and am entitled to look down on you and dismiss your opinions as ill-informed if they conflict with my own, and here's why..." and just see where it goes from there.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: TVC15 on September 02, 2008, 12:52:18 AM

Quote from: Bocsius on September 02, 2008, 12:35:18 AM

If I made as much money as them, it would be a given I would vote for McCain, too.

Same here.  Nothing wrong with voting Republican if you are making enough money.  People that vote Republican without making a lot of money are pretty distinguished mentally-challenged, though.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 02, 2008, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: demi on September 02, 2008, 12:36:21 AM

You get them on your bad side and its bye-bye handouts. You're on your own with this one. I'll take the money!

demi has a point here.

Maybe you should tell them to vote for Bob Barr?

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: siamesedreamer on September 02, 2008, 12:59:28 AM

Quote from: Bocsius on September 02, 2008, 12:35:18 AM

If I made as much money as them, it would be a given I would vote for McCain, too.

No shit...

If Obama gets through his income tax hikes and Social Security tax hikes, it could easily cost them an extra $60-70,000 a year.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 02, 2008, 01:00:50 AM

gillowned

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: EvilBoris on September 02, 2008, 01:09:06 AM

 oh the drama

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 01:28:52 AM

I just feel like their are higher things at stake than TAXES and MONEY, but maybe that's just my filthy poor speaking.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: TVC15 on September 02, 2008, 02:08:19 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 01:28:52 AM

I just feel like their are higher things at stake than TAXES and MONEY, but maybe that's just my filthy poor speaking.

You're kidding, right?  Money is money.  Republicans care about upper class money, Democrats care about working class money.  That's like the number one most important voting issue.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 02, 2008, 02:56:41 AM

Let them vote McCain, then the economy will downturn and they'll blame Republicans for 12 years of downturn.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2008, 06:57:29 AM

I wouldn't put much effort into it.  Far more effective to just slash their tires the night before the election.  Also, what state do they live in?  As long as it's a safe blue state, who cares?

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: tiesto on September 02, 2008, 09:12:54 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on September 02, 2008, 02:08:19 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 01:28:52 AM

I just feel like their are higher things at stake than TAXES and MONEY, but maybe that's just my filthy poor speaking.

You're kidding, right?  Money is money.  Republicans care about upper class money, Democrats care about working class money.  That's like the number one most important voting issue.

Too bad nobody cares about middle class money  :'(

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Bloodwake on September 02, 2008, 10:03:03 AM

Republicans:

- Like being rich
- Like keeping poor people poor


No wonder your sister is voting for McCain.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 02, 2008, 10:19:38 AM

So they work hard and want to keep what is rightfully theirs?

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Tauntaun on September 02, 2008, 10:20:06 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 12:33:33 AM

I sat down to write her a letter saying, "Hey, here are some facts, your opinons are your own, but I figured you might like to know more about xyz". I got about 700 words in before I realized I'd written something that might as well have read, "From the desk of Ron Paul:".

 :-*  We gonna have some sex when I move to the city.

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We're looking at places on Wed. :hyper

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Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 02, 2008, 10:20:25 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 01:28:52 AM

I just feel like their are higher things at stake than TAXES and MONEY, but maybe that's just my filthy poor speaking.

Economics is everything bro

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 10:47:43 AM

Quote from: Tauntaun on September 02, 2008, 10:20:06 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 12:33:33 AM

I sat down to write her a letter saying, "Hey, here are some facts, your opinons are your own, but I figured you might like to know more about xyz". I got about 700 words in before I realized I'd written something that might as well have read, "From the desk of Ron Paul:".

 :-*  We gonna have some sex when I move to the city.

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We're looking at places on Wed. :hyper

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Oooh la la. PM me, what's your price range? It's sort of a creepy offer, but we live in a GREAT spot just off the L in a brand new building with great live-in owners and there might be a unit or two still open, I'm not sure.


Anyway, FoC, shove it, yo.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: Tauntaun on September 02, 2008, 10:58:58 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 10:47:43 AM

Quote from: Tauntaun on September 02, 2008, 10:20:06 AM

Quote from: GilloD on September 02, 2008, 12:33:33 AM

I sat down to write her a letter saying, "Hey, here are some facts, your opinons are your own, but I figured you might like to know more about xyz". I got about 700 words in before I realized I'd written something that might as well have read, "From the desk of Ron Paul:".

 :-*  We gonna have some sex when I move to the city.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

We're looking at places on Wed. :hyper

[close]

Oooh la la. PM me, what's your price range? It's sort of a creepy offer, but we live in a GREAT spot just off the L in a brand new building with great live-in owners and there might be a unit or two still open, I'm not sure.


Anyway, FoC, shove it, yo.

Not a whole lot, like $1200-1300.  We're looking at a bunch of places in Kensington tomorrow.

Title: Re: Oh god. My sister is voting Republican. Help me here.
Post by: radioheadrule83 on September 03, 2008, 09:51:19 AM

Ask them to actually check who they'd be better off under... seeing as you mention their wealth as a significant factor. From what I've read, depending on what they earn, they may still be better off with Obama as president.

There are so many repugnant things about McCain and Republicans that don't share Ron Paul's beliefs -- the personality politics, the "patriotism" (911! POW! USA USA USA!), hard-line positions on abortion (should that be decided on a federal level?), pandering to religious INSANOES and FUNDIES. If there's one party that's more likely to set this world back more, after GWB, Libby, Rumsfeld, Rice & co have already set it back about 20 years and damaged America's reputation in the world -- its the GOP. Russia were already pissed that there were 5000 bayonettes in Romania and Bulgaria, if you wanna really test their grit and determination to defend their own self-interest, vote Republican and have the US twist the arms of its European allies and install NATO in the Ukraine and Georgia... go ahead with that expensive and pointless missle shield in Poland and the Czech Republic! If you want to continue spending $10bln a month in Iraq, if you want to really ratchet up the pressure on Iran and cause yet more problems - you know what to do. As a UKer, I personally hope US voters tell the GOP to get their house in order in November... by voting in Barack Obama. McCain's campaign has been nothing short of cynical at every step -- betrayalton specialists like Lieberman, the insulting VP pick motivations, and chanting the reform/maverick mantra as though McCain hasn't sided with the wishes of his party whip 90+% of the time just doesnt sway me into thinking he's the right man for the job. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these Europeans that thinks Obama will be all that much better. He's not gonna be the rainbow shitting black jesus that some people treat him as. But the man consistently displays intelligence, eloquence, calm and rationale... I'm only disappointed that he's sorta promised to be firm on Iran and defend Israel to be honest, because frankly -- in the current climate, the last thing we need is more kow-towing to that agenda. At least he's not as hardline as McCain in that area.