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Title: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 05:40:40 PM: (http://i35.tinypic.com/2hmczed.png)

since foc can't come into any political thread without disingenuously and grossly contorting the views proffered therein to fit his 13-year-old's binary view of the world -- filtered as it is through the dogma and cant of ayn rand's coda for the socially disenfranchised, "objectivism" (also known as "the best argument for relativism going") -- i am going to create this thread in which we can hopefully contain all the lulz and allow the adults to actually talk politics free of the ignorance that comes with the Children Left Behind (thanks, texas state board of education).

in this thread, foc is free to assert any ludicrous strawman argument or false dichotomy he likes about

a) socialists
b) muslims
c) academics
d) the founding fathers and/or the constitution of the usa
e) political epistemology in general (a thankless undertaking were there ever one)
f) usurpation of American sovereignty by the UN
g) usurpation of American sovereignty by Mexicans and that giant highway
h) meritocracies
i) taxes
j) The Ultimate Warrior

and we will heap ignominy on him in the form of serious lulz.

foc, if you post in this thread, i will respond, which is what you want -- an outlet for your reactionary anti-democrat sentiments, you barely literate contrarian, you! other lolbertarians are also welcome to participate. for the rest of you, please read mike huben's hilarious anti-libertarian faq @ http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html, and consider how much energy i could have saved referring to its amusingly convenient responses instead of penning specific text representing my own views! why think for yourself when you can recant prefab arguments based on deliberately simplified scenarios just as the ayn rand dogma set do!

edit: mandark add!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Eric P on September 02, 2008, 05:42:28 PM: well the free market has provided a new thread.

what can i say? the system works!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Crushed on September 02, 2008, 05:44:01 PM: um HELLO, but i have an ayn rand interview right here in my folder where she says it's not a dogma

owned much, i think so
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 05:46:37 PM: here's what the notorious anti-federalist, white mandingo, and commie buster, one thomas "jungle fevah" jefferson, had to say about foc:

Quote
"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Crushed on September 02, 2008, 06:09:51 PM: I was just gonna say, that quotation is awesome.

:bow Jefferson :bow2

FoC: "b-but mr. jefferson... what about my lot in the northwest territory? it could be sieged by injuns or wild escaped negroes, and i'll be goldless and gunless in the unsettled virgin wilderness of ohio!"
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 06:35:42 PM: "The protean nature of libertarianism causes problems for critics in open debate. There is no single basis which can be argued: you need to rebut a half dozen or more sets of assumptions, which pseudo-intellectual libertarians mix and match with a delightfully inconsistent abandonment of rationality."
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2008, 07:38:08 PM: "It doesn't mean a thing until you prove it all night long."
-Richard Milhous Nixon

AM I DOING IT RITE???
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Tauntaun on September 02, 2008, 09:11:55 PM: Quote from: Eric P on September 02, 2008, 05:42:28 PM
well the free market has provided a new thread.

what can i say? the system works!

:lol
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 09:29:24 PM: this thread needs a banner
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2008, 09:31:43 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on September 02, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
this thread needs a banner

FoC U should be in it.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2008, 09:51:23 PM: Quote from: Professor Prole on September 02, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
this thread needs a banner

A banner with Ayn Rand giving it to FoC as Dr. Paul watches with detached disinterest.

THE HORROR... THE HORROR...
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 10:05:49 PM: don't forget ludwig von mises with a monocle popping from his eye
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Crushed on September 02, 2008, 10:36:56 PM: (http://i35.tinypic.com/2hmczed.png)
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 10:38:30 PM: perfect! :lol
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 02, 2008, 10:41:15 PM: (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/ronito_cruz/libertopians.jpg)
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 02, 2008, 11:23:14 PM: Quote from: Crushed on September 02, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2hmczed.png)

omfg :lol
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Trent Dole on September 02, 2008, 11:28:17 PM: (http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/ronpaulthread.png)
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Positive Touch on September 02, 2008, 11:28:49 PM: so did anyone bother watching the good doctor's speech tonight? cuz i sure didn't.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2008, 11:47:43 PM: Can we post Rush videos in this thread?

[youtube=425,350]7S9uNxUI9ng[/youtube]
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2008, 11:51:32 PM: Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2008, 11:47:43 PM
Can we post Rush videos in this thread?

definitely.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2008, 11:53:37 PM: :rofl
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2008, 11:54:29 PM: It's somewhat appropriate that Rush's lyrics deal heavily with Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Libertarianism.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: laesperanzapaz on September 02, 2008, 11:55:53 PM: man i reaalllly gotta teach myself how to make gifs and colorful artwork
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Mandark on September 03, 2008, 12:03:28 AM: Quote from: Professor Prole on September 02, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
in this thread, foc is free to assert any ludicrous strawman argument or false dichotomy he likes about

a) socialists
b) muslims
c) academics
d) the founding fathers and/or the constitution of the usa
e) political epistemology in general (a thankless undertaking were there ever one)

May I humbly suggest you add

f) usurpation of American sovereignty by the UN
g) usurpation of American sovereignty by Mexicans and that giant highway
h) meritocracies
i) taxes
j) the Ultimate Warrior
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 03, 2008, 12:06:01 AM: mandark: done!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2008, 12:06:58 AM: Where's our guest of honor?
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 03, 2008, 12:12:17 AM: Libertarianism justifies arson, bitterness, and rape, according to Ayn Rand (PBUH)'s The Fountainhead.

I'd also like to request that you add:

K) The formation of the North American Union.
L) The Bilderberg Group.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: BobbyRobby on September 03, 2008, 12:14:19 AM: :lol :lol :lol :lol

you guys did it again
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2008, 12:15:08 AM: Quote from: The Experiment on September 03, 2008, 12:12:17 AM
Libertarianism justifies arson, bitterness, and rape, according to Ayn Rand (PBUH)'s The Fountainhead.

I'd also like to request that you add:

K) The formation of the North American Union.
L) The Bilderberg Group.

Also, according to potential Libertopian Presidential Candidate Mary Ruwart, it justifies kiddie porn.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 03, 2008, 12:19:29 AM: libertarianism: never letting stupid society make you feel guilty again!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2008, 12:22:33 AM: Do what you do. I do what I do. It's all cool.

=

Libertarian?
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2008, 12:22:47 AM: Quote from: Professor Prole on September 03, 2008, 12:19:29 AM
libertarianism: never letting stupid society make you feel guilty again!

I AM AN ISLAND, SIR! A CHILD FUCKING, GOLD WORSHIPING, TAX HATING ISLAND!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 03, 2008, 12:28:52 AM: Libertarianism: because free market has never been tried in history. Certainly not by the French, or the Chinese or the the pre and post plague English, nor in eastern Europe nor in South America. Never, never, never...oh wait...
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 03, 2008, 12:29:27 AM: Quote from: Zero Hero on September 03, 2008, 12:22:33 AM
Do what you do. I do what I do. It's all cool.

=

Libertarian?

that's fine, as long as you can clearly and without bias demonstrate that what you do does not impinge on anyone else, either directly or indirectly

which is tougher than you think
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 03, 2008, 12:34:01 AM: Libertarians: "We're so awesome and wise. The rest of you are just sheep."

(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o5/LandisRebelMO/ThomasJefferson-CSAFLAG.jpg)
(http://applianceguru.com/blogpics/frontpage_gun_rights.jpg)
(http://ruger22.com/lib/boobs.jpg)
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2008, 12:42:10 AM: It's just common sense.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 03, 2008, 10:49:42 AM: bump for foc's morning cup of coffee, brought to him by nafta
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 03, 2008, 10:55:34 AM: Once upon a time, Prole was a Libertarian. I have seen it - spoken of in myths and shadows!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 03, 2008, 11:15:54 AM: i was a libertarian from age 16 to 17, and then i read the fountainhead and realized how unsophisticated it all sounded, like a philosophy made only for children
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 03, 2008, 11:25:28 AM: I imagine you sprung from your mother's womb with a monocle and tophat!
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Tauntaun on September 03, 2008, 02:06:04 PM: Quote from: Crushed on September 02, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2hmczed.png)

:rofl
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on September 03, 2008, 05:40:07 PM: Libertarians have a slew of stupid ideas (THE MARKET WILL FIX THE ENERGY CRISIS LOL), but they're no worse than liberals or conservatives.

In fact, some of their beliefs (well, at least those pertaining to civil liberties) should be shared by all.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 03, 2008, 05:42:30 PM: There's nothing wrong with moderate liberals or conservatives. It's when you cross the threshold over to radicalism on ALL sides when you meet the crazies.

Libertarianism is pretty radical.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 03, 2008, 05:53:48 PM: Quote from: BrandNew on September 03, 2008, 05:42:30 PM
There's nothing wrong with moderate liberals or conservatives. It's when you cross the threshold over to radicalism on ALL sides when you meet the crazies.

Libertarianism is pretty radical.

The minarchist, anarchist, and Objectivist strands of libertarianism--which seek to minimize, abolish, or destroy the state--certainly are radical, but not all strands of libertarianism are.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 03, 2008, 05:55:36 PM: And yeah, you caught me after I edited my post, which I said that moderate libertarians weren't bad either. But I figured FOC might see this, and I didn't want to give him credit.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 03, 2008, 08:54:36 PM: foc has me on ignore, although he hasn't been around since he got spanked so hard in the palin thread
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2008, 09:20:49 PM: Did he get spontaneously banned again?
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2008, 09:24:18 PM: Maybe he got the hint.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You guys can be so mean sometimes and you gang up on him. Being told that you are an idiot all day isn't fun after awhile.
[close]
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Candyflip on September 03, 2008, 09:25:43 PM: Quote from: Zero Hero on September 03, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
Maybe he got the hint.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You guys can be so mean sometimes and you gang up on him. Being told that you are an idiot all day isn't fun after awhile.
[close]

I used to think the same thing but it's really like a game to him
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2008, 09:28:28 PM: ok then.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2008, 09:39:35 PM: what do you think of islam, foc
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 03, 2008, 11:26:03 PM: Seattle Shat Pack = Adam Smith on steroids
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Tauntaun on September 04, 2008, 10:28:17 AM: Quote from: Zero Hero on September 03, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
Maybe he got the hint.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You guys can be so mean sometimes and you gang up on him. Being told that you are an idiot all day isn't fun after awhile.
[close]

I just have him on ignore so I don't have to deal with him. He knows what's coming but still jumps in and spams threads with stuff. ::)
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 04, 2008, 11:15:29 AM: Ok guys it's time for some Real Talk. I have alot of fun getting yall riled up here and debating with you guys. I'm not really an objectivist raving libertarian in real life. The only issue that I feel strongly about is having the government stop spying on us and ending the war. Other than that I dont know much about history and politics. You guys know this, since about 90% of my facts are just regurgitated from wikipedia. I guess I sort of got carried away, but I was having so much fun because you guys took me so seriously. That surprised me. What didnt surprise me was that you guys were extremely harsh and ganged up on everything I said without actually thinking about it. How easy and unfun is that? It's like sony gaf all over again. I guess I asked for it when i decided to rant in half the posts. Well it's no longer fun seeing some of you guys take my posts so seriously. Chill out guys, it's just the internet, contrary to popular belief it's not serious business. I'm gonna take an extended break from posting here. My job is starting to pile on more work and this is a huge time sink.

Have fun circle jerking Obama's inevitable win and the cluster fuck that is the republican party :-*
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Crushed on September 04, 2008, 11:19:19 AM: man i've never seen someone take so long to pull the cord on their "j/k parachute"
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 04, 2008, 11:23:21 AM: did somebody say LIBERTARIAN INTELLECTUAL MENDACITY?

who called it
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Positive Touch on September 04, 2008, 07:56:16 PM: a suitably pathetic coda to a shitty posting history
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 04, 2008, 08:05:20 PM: He's got no time for Evilbore, he's working all the time. I guess that's why the call him...call him the working man.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 04, 2008, 08:20:19 PM: Well, that was underwhelming.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Eric P on September 04, 2008, 08:24:38 PM: if you want, i'll pretend i'm a federalist for a month or so
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 04, 2008, 08:26:21 PM: I could always pretend to be an unreasonable Nader supporter again, it's not a far stretch.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 04, 2008, 08:37:03 PM: Ah, the "social experiment" angle.

The bodybuilding forum I frequent is chock full of far right libertarians. I suppose I can dig up some of their quotes.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 04, 2008, 08:46:13 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on September 04, 2008, 08:45:19 PM
so the dream dies. oh wait libertarianism never really lived.

Chile under Pinochet, strangely enough.
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 04, 2008, 08:46:48 PM: narcissists and sociopaths find tears an unbecoming look
Title: Re: the new official thread of libertarian intellectual mendacity
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 04, 2008, 09:03:00 PM: Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 04, 2008, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on September 04, 2008, 08:45:19 PM
so the dream dies. oh wait libertarianism never really lived.

Chile under Pinochet, strangely enough.

Despite the laissez-faire economic policies, a military dictatorship can't be called libertarian. Libertarianism may be many things, but it's not authoritarian.