Schieffer just brought up the fiscal rescue as the first question, using an Eisenhower quote to pretend he wasn't bending the rules. Fine by me.
But I'm kicking myself something fierce for not predicting the Main Street Wall Street catchphrase. That was a gimme!
(http://www.muppetcentral.com/_images/sesame/two_headed_monster.jpg)
WALL STREET
MAIN STREET
WALL STREET
MAIN STREET
thank you Obama for kicking McCain's stupid $5000 health care tax credit ass
THERE IT IS! THE $10 BILLION!
oh man McCain brought up the "socialism" health care trap
bad week to bring up socialism
OH FUCK IRAQ QUESTION LETS GO MAKE UP SOME GROUND ON THESE PREDICTIONS
wow, what's up with McCain's non sequitir Fourth of July BBQ story
Why doesn't Obama point out that McCain was against that bill that would give troops more benefits after shorter tours?
McCain is basically saying he agrees with Obama's policy but that you shouldn't say it out loud.
Which means he essentially just said it out loud.
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Haha, an existential threat? Are they all in danger of getting really morose?:interracial
does McCain know about the UN
does McCain know about the UNor NATO
does McCain know about the UN
WIPE OFF THE MAP! SCORE!
CHAVEZ! SCORE!
CASTRO! SCORE!
FIVE SECRETARIES OF STATE SUPPORTING OBAMA! SCOOOOORE!
Not that Obama is much better. Fucking tow-the-line uneducated moron.please tell me that's sarcastic
Best line was:
"You don't say that out loud!" (in reference to launching military operations in Pakistan)
It's like, McCain wanted to say:
"You don't say that out loud! ... you wait and then do it behind their backs, like a NORMAL President!"
Not that Obama is much better. Fucking tow-the-line uneducated moron.please tell me that's sarcastic
So, the people in the region want to be Russian, and McCain wants to support the Georgians in keeping the people from getting their wishes?
So, the people in the region want to be Russian, and McCain wants to support the Georgians in keeping the people from getting their wishes?
I think Saakashvili is pretty responsible for what happened, and there are some thorny issues of ethnic nationalism and sovereignty, but that simplification kind of warps the issue.
This shit really highlights how similar these shit parties really are. Does anyone have that presidential debate from Futurama handy?
This shit really highlights how similar these shit parties really are. Does anyone have that presidential debate from Futurama handy?
They've been looking daggers at each other over 90% of the topics.
I think they're both kind of dumbing it down on Georgia, but there are some wiiiiiiiiiiide policy differences here.
Obama's done ok here, but I do wish he'd do more than "John... thats not true"... and I wish this dude would let him get his corrections in before going to the next question(s).
McCain is now saying that the US needs a president who's flexible and not dogmatic, like himself.
He is personally trolling me. I know it.
I think it was a slight McCain victory
I think it was a slight McCain victory
McCain was a P.O.W.?
Jesus... did McCain have it contracted to have the last filthy word on everything? When its not lies or misrepresentation from him, which the moderator sucked at calling out and allowing Obama to address, its hammy patriotic stories that try to appeal to sentimentality...
Also, Lehrer let McCain have the last word for everything. Fuck that.
Also, Lehrer let McCain have the last word for everything. Fuck that.
Isn't that because Obama got to speak first on most things? I think that's just down to the coin toss at the beginning.
Seriously, why not Ignatius? Wrong network? Well then burn this network.
I think it was a slight McCain victory
In the eyes of uneducated morons, yes. You know, the idiots who actually take the shit he says as the truth, when it's anything but. Motherfucking Christ, how in the hell can a debate situation allow him to get away with talking so much shit Fuck
I wish Obama addressed Iraq more forcefully, something along the line that a 'win' for the US is not the issue but self determination for the Iraqi people is or some other bullshit.
I think anyone with an IQ of 100 would have to give that to Obama. I mean you can fall for McCain lies and sentimentality but he just contradicted himself so many times.
McCain held his own far better than a lot of people thought.
TALKING LOUD AND NOT STOPPING IS THE SUPREME DEBATE STRATEGY I HAVE LEARNED MUCH ABOUT AMERICA
McCain held his own far better than a lot of people thought.
Right, but that's squarely because for some god damned reason, this man is allowed to talk out of his ass and get away with it without so much a slight breeze of doubt. It's not exactly a remarkable effort to hold one's own when one apparently has the right to distort world events to fit one's arguments.
McCain held his own far better than a lot of people thought.
Right, but that's squarely because for some god damned reason, this man is allowed to talk out of his ass and get away with it without so much a slight breeze of doubt. It's not exactly a remarkable effort to hold one's own when one apparently has the right to distort world events to fit one's arguments.
Yep yep yep yep which is why I keep telling people not to count Palin out.
Seriously, why not Ignatius? Wrong network? Well then burn this network.
Which Ignatius?
I was watching the feed on the CBS website... we're all cynically believing people are dumb enough to believe that McCain had a slight edge, but when they went to the monitoring studio, the people on the Nielsen machines were mostly Obamaniacs after the fact.
I still got some hopium left in me.
Do the right thing :usacry
Why can't we have an independent fact check basically tell the audience what is and what isn't a lie after each segment?
Why can't we have an independent fact check basically tell the audience what is and what isn't a lie after each segment?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/26/1456269.aspx
jesus
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/26/1456269.aspx
jesus
Biden is doing some spin and is completely schooling McCain on how to be an effective asshole.
Will there be a seperate debate on economic issues?
McCain basically "wins" based on the remarkably low expectations of his performance. It's like the slow kid on the team getting lavished with praise for finally pulling off a not-completely-shit performance, praise that eclipses the greater efforts of the sure bets.
Dont use a moderator almost as old as McCain.
David Ignatius. Give that man the right to call them on their shit, and we'd probably have a good debate. Maybe not, but it couldn't be worse than what we got.
american political rhetoric is so irritating. the logical responses to statements like 'to speak to president ahmedinejad is to legitimize his views on israel' are for some reason off limits. i don't know whether this is because of the tacit political assumption that americans are cretins or because americans are, in fact, cretins. i don't know why i watch these debates. they only reinforce my political apathy.
McCain can name lots of countries he must be AWESOME
McCain can name lots of countries he must be AWESOME
maybe i'm too attuned to mccain's bullshit, but he seemed to be all over the place. i can't figure out how you'd call this a win for him, unless stridency is the only qualifying factor
Rather than have talking heads guess what they think, wouldn't the American people be better served by someone actually using that time for fact-checking and providing the relevant context?
maybe i'm too attuned to mccain's bullshit, but he seemed to be all over the place. i can't figure out how you'd call this a win for him, unless stridency is the only qualifying factor
This is the problem. I was ready to yell "THAT IS NOT TRUE!" at the TV about two dozen different times, but I waste a lot of time on this crap.
The post-debate commentary always focuses on who "won" which seems to mean who made the best impression on the public. That's kind of bizarre, because the commentary is being AIRED ON TELEVISION TO THE PUBLIC.
Rather than have talking heads guess what they think, wouldn't the American people be better served by someone actually using that time for fact-checking and providing the relevant context?
the conservative wsj set thinks obama won. even the usually anti-obama comments there are pretty respectful.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/26/who-won-friday-nights-debate-on-foreign-policy/
BIDEN SPITTIN MAD BALLS OF HOT FIYAH
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdT-xMe2-s
Obama will repeatedly bring up other people endorsing his plans (Secretaries of State supporting talks with Iran, Maliki in favor of a timeline, Bush administration sending a negotiator to the Iran talks and conducting operations inside Pakistan) to make him look wise and well-versed by association. Some of it will be a stretch, some will be on point. YES
McCain will probably bullshit on Iraq in several of the following ways:
* Talking about "extremists" or "militias" without defining them. NO
* Referring to Al Qaeda in Iraq as if they're the same Al Qaeda that executed the 9/11 attacks. YES
* Talking smack about Iran's interference in Iraq without mentioning Iran's strongest ties are with Dawa and ISCI, who are America's biggest allies and run the government in Iraq. Bonus points for acting like Moqtada Al-Sadr is Iran's puppet. YES
* Surge surge surge surge surge surge surge. I've already ranted on this one. YES
* Framing the issue as victory/defeat without defining either. YES
McCain's gonna take credit for talking tough about Putin before it was in vogue. NO
Both candidates will talk about solidarity with Georgia without committing the resources to actually check Russia. Be fun to see if they're pressed about NATO membership and Article Five. YES
McCain will drop at least one "naive", probably talking about someone not wanting to bomb someone else. Might use "isolation" too. YES
Obama will bring up his speech against the Iraq war in the first place and will say "ten billion a month" at least once. At least. YES
Generally, Obama's going to try to fudge the rules by bringing up the domestic economy more than McCain. YES
McCain will growl at Chavez and maybe Castro some. YES
Obama will say we need to change our Cuba policy but he'll hedge. Obama might talk a bit about better diplomacy in South America generally, and bring up the fact that China's moving in and investing in infrastructure there. YES
Africa? Lolz. Both candidates will pay lip service to Darfur, framing the issue as one-sided abuse. They both might call it genocide. McCain will pat himself on the back for straight talk if he's the only one. NO
McCain will rear up on his hind legs, extend his claws, and make menacing gestures at Iran. Expect him to bring up the bogus "wipe Israel off the map" quote. YES
Obama might say something nuance-y about free trade, cause all the wonks are now saying it's not the absolute positive they thought it would be. McCain will be generically in favor. NO
McCain will bring up his idea for a new League of Democracies and it will be distinguished mentally-challenged. YES
McCain said "horseshit" during the debate! :o
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26909249#26909711
4:31, right after Obama says "aligned with us - I mean, Spain!"
Some people think he's saying "course it is" real fast, but it sure sounds like "horseshit" to me :lol
Hey guys, turns out that Obama was the one getting angry (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODQ0MGE3NmVhMjYxYzQxOWU2YTQyYjkxYWJmOTU1ZjE=).
Hey guys, turns out that Obama was the one getting angry (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODQ0MGE3NmVhMjYxYzQxOWU2YTQyYjkxYWJmOTU1ZjE=).
i spam refeshed five blogs on election night 2006, NRO's Corner being one of them just to watch k-lo cry when Santorum lost.
Olberman heard "of course not, of course not" , not "horseshit". He's used to hearing McCain's style of speech and heard what he said in the debate live and it definitely wasn't "horseshit".
Blah debate, substance-wise, on both sides. Obama clearly won on presentation and demeanor, McCain did look like an angry old man stuck using the rules and references of the cold war and applying them to the 21st century, which seems pretty silly.
The economy part was espsecially painful, though-mainly because both candidates are petrified at the thought of endorsing any bailout legislation until the congress and adminitration are sold on it. I am actually glad Obama fought back some on McCain's turf-he did a good job communicating his tax policy and hammering McCain, and did a good job detailing to the audience just how meaningless earmarks are, and how absurd it is from a budget perspective the GOP's crusade is to get rid of them (never mind that earmark swapping is the casing by which we package our legislative sausage).
Hey guys, turns out that Obama was the one getting angry (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODQ0MGE3NmVhMjYxYzQxOWU2YTQyYjkxYWJmOTU1ZjE=).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/the-smirk-could-mccains-f_n_129831.html
:bow :bow the liberals' magical negro :bow2 :bow2
Or Bin Laden capture :shh
The public consensus seems to be that Obama won. Lots of people also saw it as a tie - which to me is a fuckin Obama win considering McCain's perceived foreign policy advantage. Lets see if McCain can tie things up in an economic debate lol
As I said yesterday, Obama is going to sail through this weekend on top. Monday will be dominated by positive polling and questioning of McCain's debate tactics. Then on tuesdayI have a fucking accounting testthe VP debate, which should be a riot. Initially I thought that unless Palin does something stupid she'd get positive reviews; the bar is set that low. But after watching the media lambast her for the last few days, and considering her undeniably horrible interview performances, I think the media already has the tar n' feathers out. Only concern could be Biden's week of gaffes/fuck ups - lets hope that doesn't carry into the debate
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin.http://www.wegoted.com/
The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as “disastrous.” One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, “What are we going to do?” The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is “clueless.”
Word salad with buzzwords seemed to work well enough for McCain, if Biden shits on her too hard she'll become a sympathetic figure.^that just won't happen. biden knows not to be too aggressive on her due to her completely insane family/xtian/vagina values base that would claim that she was being intimidated by his big words and that it's not her fault that she's totally unqualified. Biden will make all of his points in the most simple and "nice" way possible but still keep on the offense and call her on her bullshit every time she says something dumb. If Palin consistently fucks up every topic (which I would expect) I can honestly see that as being the final nail on the coffin.
Word salad with buzzwords seemed to work well enough for McCain, if Biden shits on her too hard she'll become a sympathetic figure.
After 8 years, people don't want a "sympathetic" president who just makes stuff up and shouts the loudest. McCain kept an assholish tone the whole debate and hardly knew what he was talking about on some of the topics. This alone doesn't make him lose the election but he lost supporters, or at least Obama gained a lot of the people who were on the fence.Word salad with buzzwords seemed to work well enough for McCain, if Biden shits on her too hard she'll become a sympathetic figure.^that just won't happen. biden knows not to be too aggressive on her due to her completely insane family/xtian/vagina values base that would claim that she was being intimidated by his big words and that it's not her fault that she's totally unqualified. Biden will make all of his points in the most simple and "nice" way possible but still keep on the offense and call her on her bullshit every time she says something dumb. If Palin consistently fucks up every topic (which I would expect) I can honestly see that as being the final nail on the coffin.