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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Flannel Boy on October 17, 2008, 09:11:15 PM

Title: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 17, 2008, 09:11:15 PM: Would you steal bread to feed your starving family? The answer to this question is easy: yes, provided there were no other reasonable alternatives. While theft is wrong, letting your family starve to death is worse. Would you, however, sell marijuana to maintain your family's plush suburban lifestyle?

Although marijuana should be legal, it isn't. Botwin should not act in a hypothetical world in which marijuana is legalized, but the real one. In this real world, by growing and distributing marijuana she runs the risk of being arrested by the police or assaulted or murdered by rival drug dealers/gangs, leaving her fatherless children without either one of their parents.

And she doesn't just deal drugs to maintain her large suburban house, her pool, and her Hispanic maid; she does it because she enjoys the danger and excitement. She enjoys dealing with dangerous men, many of whom she's fucked (see the crooked DEA agent, crooked developer, Hispanic drug dealer, and a drug grower). She enjoys the cutesy, clueless MILF bullshit (for a show that enjoys poking fun at phoney bullshit, Nancy's dealings with gang members is the phoniest parts of the show).

Of course, running a drug business out of her home eventually causes her children to become part of the business, resulting in Silas becoming a drug dealer and grower himself, who gets beat up by a biker gang.

How does she solve the problem of the biker gang? Not by getting her hands directly dirty, but by getting some bad men to fix the problem--as she usually does--only to act shocked when they fuck things up. (Well, she did get her hands dirty when she burnt down the house; however, in general she gets other men to do bad things for her)

Finally, she's too preoccupied with her bullshit lifestyle to pay any attention to her youngest child. Her inattentiveness causes him to bring his father back to life, so that at least one of his parents talks to him.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 17, 2008, 10:26:52 PM: A) No one watches Weeds.
B) No one reads my threads.
C) It's Friday; normal people have lives.
D) All of the above.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2008, 10:30:13 PM: D)
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 17, 2008, 10:33:27 PM: Quote from: Father_Mike on October 17, 2008, 10:30:13 PM
D)

By voting, you have have contradicted yourself: You read my thread, and you don't have a life.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2008, 10:35:33 PM: Do too! Currently I'm watchin' my gundam 00 season 1 torrent go up. Only a week to go!
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 17, 2008, 10:38:13 PM: As I look back on my life--just before I finally pull the trigger--at least I won't feel the kind of shame that comes with being a regular anime viewer.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2008, 10:51:54 PM: Jesus you've been depressed lately. Go see someone!

Also, from the two sentences I read of you op, you seem to be in a philosophical mood so today i got back my philo midterm. I got criticized by using the word "rationalize" to talk about Plato and Aristotle reasoning. She got all bitchy and said it meant "to use reason to justify an unsound position", then told the class to look up the word. I know it means this two but clearly that's not what I meant in the way I was using it. So I looked it up and my definition is perfectly fine too. GRRR

Anyways i also said that Plato has connects reason and knowledge to virtue in a fuzzy way. She said I was wrong and that I should "look it up". But isn't this exactly what the sun metaphor, and the "a to b" metaphor is about?
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 17, 2008, 11:21:36 PM: I dislike the show for many of your reasons - mostly because the main characters are completely unlikeable.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 18, 2008, 12:06:02 AM: Quote from: Father_Mike on October 17, 2008, 10:51:54 PM
Jesus you've been depressed lately. Go see someone!

Also, from the two sentences I read of you op, you seem to be in a philosophical mood so today i got back my philo midterm. I got criticized by using the word "rationalize" to talk about Plato and Aristotle reasoning. She got all bitchy and said it meant "to use reason to justify an unsound position", then told the class to look up the word. I know it means this two but clearly that's not what I meant in the way I was using it. So I looked it up and my definition is perfectly fine too. GRRR

Anyways i also said that Plato has connects reason and knowledge to virtue in a fuzzy way. She said I was wrong and that I should "look it up". But isn't this exactly what the sun metaphor, and the "a to b" metaphor is about?

Words have connotations, and the connotation for "rationalize" is negative.

Plato does connect knowledge with virtue. To be good, we need to know the difference between apparent goods and real goods. If we are ignorant, stuck in the world of imagination and perception, we are likely to commit evil. If we are knowledgeable, in touch with the higher forms thanks to direct apprehension, we are likely to do good. Or some shit.

Quote from: Willco on October 17, 2008, 11:21:36 PM
I dislike the show for many of your reasons - mostly because the main characters are completely unlikeable.
With a drama, unlike a comedy, this is a very bad thing.

Kevin Nealon's character and Conrad are moderately likable.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 18, 2008, 12:07:14 AM: Did Conrad ever come back for the third season? I stopped watching when the ridiculous plot of the secret tunnel to mexico and the president fucking nancy story came in.

Also I wish weed was legal, because then this show would be hilarious.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 18, 2008, 12:08:51 AM: Quote from: MyNameIsMethodis on October 18, 2008, 12:07:14 AM
Did Conrad ever come back for the third season? I stopped watching when the ridiculous plot of the secret tunnel to mexico and the president fucking nancy story came in.

Also I wish weed was legal, because then this show would be hilarious.
Thanks for the spoiler. Because I have never heard of the tunnel and president shit, that's obviously in season four, which I have not watched yet.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2008, 12:11:23 AM: Quote from: Night Man on October 18, 2008, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: Father_Mike on October 17, 2008, 10:51:54 PM
Jesus you've been depressed lately. Go see someone!

Also, from the two sentences I read of you op, you seem to be in a philosophical mood so today i got back my philo midterm. I got criticized by using the word "rationalize" to talk about Plato and Aristotle reasoning. She got all bitchy and said it meant "to use reason to justify an unsound position", then told the class to look up the word. I know it means this two but clearly that's not what I meant in the way I was using it. So I looked it up and my definition is perfectly fine too. GRRR

Anyways i also said that Plato has connects reason and knowledge to virtue in a fuzzy way. She said I was wrong and that I should "look it up". But isn't this exactly what the sun metaphor, and the "a to b" metaphor is about?

Words have connotations, and the connotation for "rationalize" is negative.

Plato does connect knowledge with virtue. To be good, we need to know the difference between apparent goods and real goods. If we are ignorant, stuck in the world of imagination and perception, we are likely to commit evil. If we are knowledgeable, in touch with the higher forms thanks to direct apprehension, we are likely to do good. Or some shit.

Right but he doesn't say exactly how this apprehension works. Instead he maneuvers over the issue using a metaphor. And in the context in which i was using rationalized was clearly not negative! I'm going to throw my dictionary at her next class! (ya,not that I use it anyways, knew you we're going to say that.).
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 18, 2008, 12:14:59 AM: Quote from: Night Man on October 18, 2008, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: MyNameIsMethodis on October 18, 2008, 12:07:14 AM
Did Conrad ever come back for the third season? I stopped watching when the ridiculous plot of the secret tunnel to mexico and the president fucking nancy story came in.

Also I wish weed was legal, because then this show would be hilarious.
Thanks for the spoiler. Because I have never heard of the tunnel and president shit, that's obviously in season four, which I have not watched yet.

Oh my bad, I thought that was Season 3.

Don't worry though, they're not major spoilers.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: brawndolicious on October 18, 2008, 05:14:03 AM: those are big spoilers but I didn't feel that the mayor-fucking and the tunnel were too ridiculous.

the show starts out with Nancy selling to her friends enough to allow them to live in the same neighborhood but as she interacts more with criminals, she gets attracted to them. that could be because criminals want to use her. she's a middle-aged white woman so it would make more sense for them to employ her rather than rape her. although she's not the most likable person ever, she doesn't seem as stupid and self-centered in the 4th season. A LOT happens in that season.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: TVC15 on October 18, 2008, 05:49:05 AM: I thought S3 was a pretty big drop off. I'm with Malek.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2008, 12:43:11 PM: My wife and I love the show. It's one of the few shows we watch together. I usually get some laughs from the show. Not so much in this past season though.

The sound the goat makes. :-\ :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 18, 2008, 01:52:17 PM: Got bored of it by mid-season 2. It's already a very flimsy premise for a show, I can't believe they keep it going. She sells like an ounce a season and maintains her upper 5% lifestyle. :lol

Kevin Nealon is awesome though.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 18, 2008, 03:25:33 PM: C)

I was out a on date with the wife last night.
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Tucah on October 18, 2008, 04:25:54 PM: Season 3 and 4 aren't very good, but I still enjoy the show.

Actually, season 4 rocked for
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Naked Nancy :heartbeat
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Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: drew on October 19, 2008, 12:04:07 AM: thanks to this thread i realized ninjavideo has 4 seasons up, i thought there was only one season!

it's like christmas morning
Title: Re: Nancy Botwin, Weeds' protagonist, is a pretty bad parent (finished season 3)
Post by: Flannel Boy on October 19, 2008, 04:48:13 AM: Season four is fuckin' horrible so far.