THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Fatghost28 on November 28, 2006, 01:25:19 AM
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I think they did.
I vote conservative too, so this is especially painful.
Discuss!
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wait so canada might be going conservative just weeks after america went liberal?
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wait so canada might be going conservative just weeks after america went liberal?
No.
The Tories put forward a motion recognizing the Quebecois as a distinct nation.
We elected them in January.
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I'm confused. Explain further for us stupid Americans.
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This is awesome! Now I can concentrate my hatred to the Quebecois! No longer do I have to hate all Canadians! Truly, glorious day!
Let us eat the nectar of the gods in celebration!
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I'm confused. Explain further for us stupid Americans.
In the 18th Century the British crushed the French in Quebec and became the owners of North America by right of conquest.
As a side development of this, the American colonies ended up on the road to independence (the taxes levied by Britain on the colonies was to pay for the war which was to ostensibly protect the colonies from French predation).
Anyway, for a large part of the French population in Quebec, this still rubs raw and despite an over representation in Canadian government (We're bilingual in French and English across the country despite the fact French is essentially non-existent outside of Quebec...In Ontario, We have well over 1 million Chinese speakers out of a population of 10 million yet there is no official government service in Chinese, yet with something like 150,000 french speakers we have TWO publicly funded french tv stations and a bunch of radio stations (publicly funded) and of course every government service and publication is in french, all the road signs, etc.)
So this french population (which is also associated on ethnic/ancestral lines...if you just came to Quebec from Algiers, you wouldn't really be Quebecois despite your mother tongue being French) wants to be a sovreign nation. The big argument is what the exact form and definition of this nation would be. A full seperate political entity, or a special province that has it's own control over immigration and international affairs, or just some token "recognition" that they're "special".
It's bad for the country anyway you slice it. Canada is already too fractured because of our insane addiction to this multicultural bullshit instead of building a cohesive nation with a common culture (health care and hockey are not a culture, but apparently they are the defining characteristics of Canada. Also "not being America". )
What the Conservative Party did last night was introduce a motion in the House of Commons recognizing the Quebecois as a distinct nation within a united Canada.
It didn't:
Define "Nation"
Define "Quebecois" - In French, Quebecois usually refers to the ethnic group composed of the decendents of the original French settlers. The people of the province of Quebec are Quebeckers, but the motion did not refer to them. On the good side, this makes it less easy to use as a building block to argue for the separateness of Quebec the province as a political unit. On the bad side, this now introduces "specialness" on ethnic lines. Not cool.
The Conservatives did this because another party, the Bloc Quebecois (which is the party that represents this ethnic group) was going to introduce this motion. The conservatives have a few important members of the House in Quebec that would have to support this Bloc motion. Also the Liberal party does too. The end result would be that this could have cause major problems for the ruling party and may even have lead to a collapse of parliament and another election (we just had one in January).
Rather than doing what previous governments have done and fight this motion, and let it go to the polls if necessary, the Conservatives thought they could steal the BQ's thunder by putting out their own motion. I think instead this played into the BQ's hands. The Conservatives have been shown to be incredibly naive and cynical leaders. I'm frankly ashamed at how green they've been as a Conservative myself. I probably won't be voting with the party at the next election.
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Yeah, if Ignatieff wins, I might possibly swing Liberal next time.
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Yeah, if Ignatieff wins, I might possibly swing Liberal next time.
I'm rooting for Rae.
Yeah, I'm a hard blue tory, but I'd vote for Rae. He's very smart and he learned from his mistakes as Premier.
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So you're going to put them all ona reservation?
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Thanks for the info. Seems like a pretty odd situation...
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Most Liberals voted in favor of this stupid motion as did the socialists pigs. Whenever Tories get federal power they pander to Quebec and leftist bullshit. Good thing I didn't vote, I'd demand my vote back.
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fuck the Tories. next time fuck the liberals too, NDP for me.
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fuck the Tories. next time fuck the liberals too, NDP for me.
But didn't they vote in favor of this shit too?
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i don't vote though for a partie soley on one law etc.
I agree that something needs to be done though, so we don't need to keep talking about Quebec splitting etc etc.
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I think I might actually vote green in the next election.
Malek is right: the fucking Liberals are almost as much to blame because that goof ball Ignatief brought this whole mess back up to begin with.
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Hmm how about we make a trade; all of the shit we are going through in the US for this little situation you Canadians are in right now? Fair? :D
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Hmm how about we make a trade; all of the shit we are going through in the US for this little situation you Canadians are in right now? Fair? :D
HAhahaha
If America was a chick, I wouldn't fuck her with your dick.
I think that's the polite way to put it.
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Liberals did tons of good while in power. the only thing that good be said was the "scandel"
i could not give a shit if they spent money trying to keep Quebec. maybe it was not in a good way, but it could have been worse.
They balnaced the books and took us out of the red.
last time i voted for the marijuana party. i'm sorry, i wish i did not, but i did. anyway, i'm more of a liberal supporter.
i really prefer NDP, but i don't want to feel like i'm throwing my vote away.
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Hmm how about we make a trade; all of the shit we are going through in the US for this little situation you Canadians are in right now? Fair? :D
HAhahaha
If America was a chick, I wouldn't fuck her with your dick.
I think that's the polite way to put it.
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Liberals did tons of good while in power. the only thing that good be said was the "scandel"
i could not give a shit if they spent money trying to keep Quebec. maybe it was not in a good way, but it could have been worse.
They balnaced the books and took us out of the red.
last time i voted for the marijuana party. i'm sorry, i wish i did not, but i did. anyway, i'm more of a liberal supporter.
i really prefer NDP, but i don't want to feel like i'm throwing my vote away.
ummmmmmmm
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yeah that was in the past your point? i prefer to put a bit more thought into it this time.
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Canada has too many political parties. America is easy.
Liberal? Vote Democrat
Conservative? Vote Republican
Moderate? Whichever of the two you pick ends up winning the election!
40%~ of our population ALWAYS votes Democrat. 40%~ ALWAYS votes Republican. Man we have it so easy compared to your complex nonsense.
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Thing is, Canada is still more Progressive overall, and I'd much rather have that. There's safety in numbers... but the US's the two party system is kind of broken. What's going down in Canada is pretty weird, but I still think it's much more interesting than here.
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Canada has too many political parties. America is easy.
to many parties? not really. i mean there are what, 3 or 4 major ones? sometimes they join or split, but there is not really that many parties. And it's all about voting for your MP anyhow, most of the time.