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Title: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:34:58 PM
http://images.google.com/hosted/life

most of these have never been published before

wowwwwww

add source:life to any search
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:36:49 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=a71af51a0d8bd1ff_landing)

GRONK! FLASH! ZAP!
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:39:44 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=2a0a40a47a88ecd2_landing)
Table tennis champion

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=d59398d2015df4c1_landing)
Japanese guy circa 1950

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=da64530034a568be_landing)
Post-bomb Hiroshima
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 02:42:41 PM
Tighten up the GRONK! FLASH! ZAP! on level 3!
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Tieno on November 19, 2008, 02:42:50 PM
Tres cool, tres cool. What's Life?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:44:39 PM
Goddamn I'm just going through the Japan photos now

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=7055619e61baa605_large)
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=65f44075086d65b3_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:45:02 PM
Tres cool, tres cool. What's Life?

uhhh the premier photo magazine of the past 150 years of American history
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 02:45:59 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=d59398d2015df4c1_landing)
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=da64530034a568be_landing)

smh
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:46:50 PM
I want to travel back in time to (checks page) 1964 and marry this Japanese nightclub hostess.

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=a6fd63f3522d6a16_large)

wow
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 02:47:15 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=dd363150dd0150a9_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 02:48:18 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=dd363150dd0150a9_large)

:lol wtf
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:48:50 PM
Batman, Superman, and the Marquis de Sade? Sounds like a party.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Tieno on November 19, 2008, 02:50:10 PM
Tres cool, tres cool. What's Life?

uhhh the premier photo magazine of the past 150 years of American history
thanks! Didn't know that.

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=6981094afe3962db_large)

 :-*
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:50:41 PM
plz provide context for your photos, we do not all know the same things

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=10b9796526068576_large)

Einstein on his sailboat, 1936
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Rman on November 19, 2008, 02:51:07 PM
Do you guys remember that chilling Vietnam photo of the young girl running away from a napalm blast?  Was that in LIFE?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
this one?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://tinyurl.com/64e6fu
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:(
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 02:55:58 PM
if you guys post any graphic war photos could you please put them in linked spoiler tags?

I'd like for this thread to be totally a fun browsable trip down memory lane for now; I know wars and photos of war are part of our history but for now let's just share cool pics of people and stuff we found? since we're at work?

EDIT: looks like I'm too late, thanks PD :P
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Rman on November 19, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yep. 
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 02:57:54 PM
Sorry about that Patel
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 03:00:44 PM
Sorry about that Patel

no worries, I've just seen photo history threads rapidly devolve into Faces of Death IV once the war pics start getting bandied about  ;)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 19, 2008, 03:01:06 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=4b2d8844f0663e7b_landing)
We all know how that story ended
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 03:02:12 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=4b2d8844f0663e7b_landing)
We all know how that story ended

"so far"

man, this archive contains some epic lulz
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 03:02:25 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=35250de0e8d6428e_landing)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:02:33 PM
Why waste your time with shitty pics of "Deserved it"- Era Japan?

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=074251c90a8628e6_large)

An american icon. The Mount Washington Cog Railway.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
Why waste your time with shitty pics of "Deserved it"- Era Japan?

because there are several million pictures and I wanted to quickly drill down to a cool subset? I have a total boner for Showa-era Japan only matched by my boner for steampunk-era Victorianism.

that railroad is railrad however
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 03:04:45 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=d4dcd9d22f936889_large)
Boxer Muhammad Ali (L) taunting boxer Joe Frazier (R) during training for their fight.

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=ec13b483745803dd_large)
Gaudily dressed boxing fans arriving for Muhammad Ali fight vs. Oscar Bonauvena at Madison Square Garden.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:04:58 PM
steampunk  :teehee
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 19, 2008, 03:05:06 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=026ee0c12f633e4d_landing)

Stupid people, the television is black and white, or maybe grayish. Not white only
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 03:06:17 PM
George Grizzard as HAMLET, 1963

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=46fb9595cf2b87c6_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:07:04 PM
A true american hero

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=81d961d77f3d60e8_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
uhh, no one 'deserves' an a-bomb.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:09:27 PM
Not the innocents, but the people who were trained to kill any american on sight and the military certainly deserved it.

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=b3c4b7958ede906e_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 03:10:24 PM
We train our military to kill the enemy too. War is war.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 03:10:37 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=ffc65ece5a600a58_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:11:01 PM
We train our military to kill the enemy too. War is war.

We don't train our civilians to kill the enemy, like they did.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 03:14:02 PM
We train our military to kill the enemy too. War is war.

We don't train our civilians to kill the enemy, like they did.

If they were going to invade us im sure we would do the same. Its that whole 'defending our land' shit
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 19, 2008, 03:17:02 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=1d9fd71ec97a68d5_landing)

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=714299e406ce3d60_landing)

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=d5605c9348a0b86e_landing)

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=34e0c9cb1b03cfc8_landing)

Jerry Yang just resigned as Yahoo!'s CEO yesterday
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:17:14 PM
We train our military to kill the enemy too. War is war.

We don't train our civilians to kill the enemy, like they did.

If they were going to invade us im sure we would do the same. Its that whole 'defending our land' shit

They did invade us. Remember Pearl Harbor?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 03:20:20 PM
Bobby. :(

(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=6c542773f6130aad_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 03:22:25 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=d314bdd83057d6c3_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 03:23:01 PM
We train our military to kill the enemy too. War is war.

We don't train our civilians to kill the enemy, like they did.

If they were going to invade us im sure we would do the same. Its that whole 'defending our land' shit

They did invade us. Remember Pearl Harbor?

I wouldnt call that an invasion, more like an attack. Invasion implies that the enemy force stays for a while.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 03:25:33 PM
We train our military to kill the enemy too. War is war.

We don't train our civilians to kill the enemy, like they did.

If they were going to invade us im sure we would do the same. Its that whole 'defending our land' shit

They did invade us. Remember Pearl Harbor?

If you want to talk about the (more than justified) drop of the atomic bomb do so in another thread please
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 19, 2008, 03:27:55 PM
how bout you shut the fuck up PD you stupid fuck
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 19, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
how bout you shut the fuck up PD you stupid fuck
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee
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Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 03:37:58 PM

Best American president since Abraham Lincoln:


(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=ac9332f41c952931_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: ManaByte on November 19, 2008, 03:38:35 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=ffc65ece5a600a58_large)

"You know I had your husband shot, right?"
"LOL you piece of shit"
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: ManaByte on November 19, 2008, 03:38:57 PM
Challenger explosion:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/llkza.jpg)

Fuck you for posting that.  :'(
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Cheebs on November 19, 2008, 03:41:21 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=67473454be45021f_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: G The Resurrected on November 19, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=34e0c9cb1b03cfc8_landing)
Jerry Yang just resigned as Yahoo!'s CEO yesterday

He's a nice guy too  :'(

Hope things get better soon.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 03:48:13 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=07f709d74ff962ec_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Bloodwake on November 19, 2008, 03:48:28 PM
Hold the presses:

There's actually people who AGREE, STILL, with the US dropping not just one but two nukes?

Jesus Christ, and with Obama being elected I thought people in this country were making some progress.

Edit:

Okay, I have more to say about this.

First of all, the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the US nuking someone are WAY DIFFERENT. Seriously. "omgz the Japs attacked us at pearl harbor wahhhhh" isn't a good reason to fucking NUKE someone.

The only reason we nuked them in the first place was because the US wanted to end the war quickly after Hitler went down. So, since Americans are impatient, we decided to unleash one of the worst weapons known to humanity upon the earth. And of course, after that, everyone and their brother wanted a fucking nuke to launch and threaten people with. We're still dealing with that.

If the US never dropped the nukes, the circumstances of the Cold War as well as current foreign relations would be drastically changed.

Not to mention that we basically vaporized thousands of civilians and killed even more afterwards because of radiation poisoning. WHOOO GO USA WE HAVE BIG BOMBS VAPORIZE TONS OF PEOPLE HAVE CAPACITY TO FUCKING DESTROY PLANET EARTH IF WE USE ENOUGH OF THEM AT ONCE WHOOOOOO.

Nuking Japan is a good idea. I fucking scoff at that shit.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 03:51:23 PM
Hold the presses:

There's actually people who AGREE, STILL, with the US dropping not just one but two nukes?

Jesus Christ, and with Obama being elected I thought people in this country were making some progress.

What else where they supposed to do? Let the japs win?

Uh, no.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Bloodwake on November 19, 2008, 03:58:44 PM
Hold the presses:

There's actually people who AGREE, STILL, with the US dropping not just one but two nukes?

Jesus Christ, and with Obama being elected I thought people in this country were making some progress.

What else where they supposed to do? Let the japs win?

Uh, no.

See added post.

But seriously. It wasn't a win or lose thing. It was a "we aren't going to lose any more people to war" thing. It was an impatience thing. We took down all of Japan's allies and had the fucking Soviet Union fighting right there with us, as well as the rest of the world. It wasn't going to be a problem to stop one damn country. It was impatience.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
Both were perfectly justified. Basing your argument strictly on emotion doesn't win many debates, especially on this topic. A full scale invasion of Japan would have left even more people dead on both sides, but especially Japan; the atomic bombs were the more generous end when you consider what would have happened otherwise. The fact that their leaders didn't consider surrendering after the first one dropped tells you everything you need to know about their mindset

Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 04:00:40 PM
Uh, it was extremely dangerous to send any troops into Japan because the bastards where forcing to teach the civilians how to kill, so there were no more civilians, just all enemies over there. Rather than kill so many men, just drop the bomb on a country with barely any civilians left (I don't consider anyone a civilian once they've been told to kill anyone on sight).

Japan wasn't listening ot their "civilians" anyways. The ones who wanted it all to stop just kept getting told to kill, kill, kill.  The only ones responsible for the nuke is the japs themselves.

Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:06:58 PM
if we'd invaded japan, the russians would have been right alongside us, and they weren't exactly known for acts of kindness on the battlefield towards civilians

they also would have claimed a piece of post-war japan

by what was known at the time, it would have been a bloodbath the likes of which the world had never seen, with the great majority of blood being spilled by japanese civilians

there wouldn't be a japan today, it would be split between the allied forces

you believe what you want, though, just glad yours wasn't the majority opinion at the time
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:09:08 PM
when i managed a collectables store back in 91-94, LIFE magazines sold like hotcakes on the roadshows the store owner did

he could get upwards of $50 for certain issues

my weekend has been ruined by this discovery, always been a fan of LIFE photography - i own several paperback collections
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 04:10:15 PM
And because now the civilians where trained to kill americans and russians, whole villages and towns would be burnt down and wiped out.

Japan probably wouldn't exist anymore if there was a full battle there.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 04:11:34 PM
if we'd invaded japan, the russians would have been right alongside us, and they weren't exactly known for acts of kindness on the battlefield towards civilians

they also would have claimed a piece of post-war japan

by what was known at the time, it would have been a bloodbath the likes of which the world had never seen, with the great majority of blood being spilled by japanese civilians



Exactly. It was a complicated moral decision; people act like the choice was either to drop the bombs (and kill innocent people) or not drop the bombs (saving innocent people) when that wasn't the case. It was more like choosing between killing 300,000 people and destroying an entire country.

Which would you choose Bloodwake? Truman didn't just say "fuck it, nuke em." It was a horribly tough decision, but he did the right thing.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Bloodwake on November 19, 2008, 04:13:47 PM
Uh, it was extremely dangerous to send any troops into Japan because the bastards where forcing to teach the civilians how to kill, so there were no more civilians, just all enemies over there. Rather than kill so many men, just drop the bomb on a country with barely any civilians left (I don't consider anyone a civilian once they've been told to kill anyone on sight).

Japan wasn't listening ot their "civilians" anyways. The ones who wanted it all to stop just kept getting told to kill, kill, kill.  The only ones responsible for the nuke is the japs themselves.



Let me put it this way.

There's a country very similar to 1940's Japan. One where possibly everyone in the country knows how to pick up and fire a gun. If this country was invaded, the civilians would be able to fight oncoming military men with handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. In some areas of this country, men that aren't in the military are sometimes trained to use actual weapons and shoot living things from childhood.

I just gave any country on the face of the planet justification to nuke the shit out of America if they were pissed at us.. And frankly, it's our fault. We popularized the weapon in the 40's, developed it, and now everyone wants one to wipe out their enemies quickly and efficiently. There was a cold war which was basically the US and Russia pointing a shitload of nukes at each other and refusing to push the trigger.

Every military power in the world was either destroyed or allied with the United States against Japan. It didn't matter if five year olds were shooting at troops. We were going to win regardless.


Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: TVC15 on November 19, 2008, 04:16:10 PM
Please don't have this discussion, nobody is going to change their minds.  It is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:17:19 PM
we weren't the only ones working on the a-bomb, we were just the first to get it out the door

germany, japan, and russia were all in varying stages of atomic weapons development

it was coming whether we dropped those two bombs or not
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:20:09 PM
i'm gonna have to buy a whole new hard drive just for this  :(

wonder why they won't just issue the entire collection of LIFE on DVD rom like the Playboy/MAD/National Lampoon/National Geographic collections?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: patrickula on November 19, 2008, 04:21:05 PM
My 2 cents on the whole Japan thing:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The US wanted to make Japan surrender before the Soviets were able to invade/occupy the country.  I don't pretend to know how a standard invasion would have gone, but the firebombing preceding the nukes wrought even more devastation overall (aside from the radiation).  Let possible war criminal MacNamara explain it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er2xCn3_QcQ
The Japanese barely had time to respond after the first nuke was dropped to surrender to the second.  There were three days between the bombings.  It took six more days after Nagasaki until they surrendered.  I guess they should  have nuked 'em a third time since they took so long!

There seems to be the impression here that the US was saved from occupying a Japan full of civilians trained to kill American soldiers... well, Japan was occupied anyway.  There was less resistance and loss of US lives certainly, but was it worth it proportionately?  You should at least be able to question the decision to drop the second bomb.
[close]
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Bloodwake on November 19, 2008, 04:22:27 PM
Eh, fuck it. I'm frustrated with this argument.

Final word from me:

I understand the argument for the use of nukes and I understand why they were used. Americans were tired of the war and so was the world, so they wanted to end it quickly and without loss of life.

That doesn't change the fact that the introduction of nuclear weapons through their usage has negatively effected the world as we know it. If nukes were never used, we wouldn't be worried about the next small country that develops a nuke that is pissed at the United States.

Because their justification for using the nuke is going to be the same as Truman's justification. It's quick, convenient, takes out a lot of people from a distance rather than going in close and risking the lives of their military against hostile military and civilians alike.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Bloodwake on November 19, 2008, 04:23:24 PM
Please don't have this discussion, nobody is going to change their minds.  It is distinguished mentally-challenged.

I'm changing my mind. To this quote.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2008, 04:23:57 PM
Uh, it was extremely dangerous to send any troops into Japan because the bastards where forcing to teach the civilians how to kill, so there were no more civilians, just all enemies over there. Rather than kill so many men, just drop the bomb on a country with barely any civilians left (I don't consider anyone a civilian once they've been told to kill anyone on sight).

Japan wasn't listening ot their "civilians" anyways. The ones who wanted it all to stop just kept getting told to kill, kill, kill.  The only ones responsible for the nuke is the japs themselves.



Let me put it this way.

There's a country very similar to 1940's Japan. One where possibly everyone in the country knows how to pick up and fire a gun. If this country was invaded, the civilians would be able to fight oncoming military men with handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. In some areas of this country, men that aren't in the military are sometimes trained to use actual weapons and shoot living things from childhood.

I just gave any country on the face of the planet justification to nuke the shit out of America if they were pissed at us.. And frankly, it's our fault. We popularized the weapon in the 40's, developed it, and now everyone wants one to wipe out their enemies quickly and efficiently. There was a cold war which was basically the US and Russia pointing a shitload of nukes at each other and refusing to push the trigger.

Every military power in the world was either destroyed or allied with the United States against Japan. It didn't matter if five year olds were shooting at troops. We were going to win regardless.

At what cost? That's what you refuse to acknowledge because it destroys your argument. The atomic bomb saved more lives than it took.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: TVC15 on November 19, 2008, 04:24:35 PM
That doesn't change the fact that the introduction of nuclear weapons through their usage has negatively effected the world as we know it. If nukes were never used, we wouldn't be worried about the next small country that develops a nuke that is pissed at the United States.

Why are you ignoring that they were coming anyway?  The Manhattan Project started because Einstein warned the US.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 04:27:21 PM
My 2 cents on the whole Japan thing:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The US wanted to make Japan surrender before the Soviets were able to invade/occupy the country.  I don't pretend to know how a standard invasion would have gone, but the firebombing preceding the nukes wrought even more devastation overall (aside from the radiation).  Let possible war criminal MacNamara explain it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er2xCn3_QcQ
The Japanese barely had time to respond after the first nuke was dropped to surrender to the second.  There were three days between the bombings.  It took six more days after Nagasaki until they surrendered.  I guess they should  have nuked 'em a third time since they took so long!

There seems to be the impression here that the US was saved from occupying a Japan full of civilians trained to kill American soldiers... well, Japan was occupied anyway.  There was less resistance and loss of US lives certainly, but was it worth it proportionately?  You should at least be able to question the decision to drop the second bomb.
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They didn't have anymore bombs after the second one, not for a few months, but Japan didn't know that, so they had to surrender or else they knew they were in for genocide (which would've happened anyways if we invaded, because the civilians where armed and we'd have to kill them.)

Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:27:40 PM
civilians were killed in the attack on pearl harbor, too

guess they don't matter, though

monkeypiss yourself
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: ManaByte on November 19, 2008, 04:33:24 PM
There are no winners in war. I won't go into this discussion.

But the US only suffered minor cilivian losses MINOR. The retaliation was ruthless and out of proportion.

So I'm guessing if the Manhattan Project was never started and Hitler got the bomb first and nuked New York it would be OK since it was evil America?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:35:42 PM
i don't know how well-armed the civilians actually were, but the russian army would have killed scores of them armed or not

and as we saw and is documented okinawa, the civilian had been trained to fear rape and torture in the event of an american invasion, and would commit mass suicide rather than submit to invading americans

there are no innocents in war, to be sure, but i doubt the intention of revenge influenced the decision to drop those two bombs

i have no sympathy for imperial japan during those years, though

had they not committed the heinous acts around the world leading to their eventual defeat (the least of which being the attack on pearl harbor, if you do your research), there never would have been a reason to make such a terrible decision

they reaped what they sowed

Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:37:19 PM
There are no winners in war. I won't go into this discussion.

But the US only suffered minor cilivian losses MINOR. The retaliation was ruthless and out of proportion.

how many civilians were killed, tortured, raped, mutilated in nanking

would you say that was ruthless and out of proportion, considering there was no reason whatsoever for it
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: TVC15 on November 19, 2008, 04:39:04 PM
There are no winners in war. I won't go into this discussion.

But the US only suffered minor cilivian losses MINOR. The retaliation was ruthless and out of proportion.

how many civilians were killed, tortured, raped, mutilated in nanking

Depends whose textbooks you read :)  Nanking is something that Japan "whitewashes" to this day.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:47:58 PM
okay, i'm getting mental images of that "arguing on the internet" jpeg, so i'm gonna steer this back to LIFE

there used to be a guy who lived here at the apartment complex, named cosmo maffetore

he was old but still had full wavy hair and fists like hams, was a new york fireman after the war

he saw the famous flag raising at iwo jima (twice  ;) from far away), and suicides at okinawa

he gave me this laminated card when he moved out:

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/KParrott/LST108Front.jpg)

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/KParrott/LST108Back.jpg)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 04:50:29 PM
Jesus, I go to lunch and you guys shit up this thread with A-bomb discussion? Learn to make a new thread you fuckups
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: patrickula on November 19, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
:teehee
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2008, 04:52:10 PM
Hiroshima survivor stories. (http://www.inicom.com/hibakusha/)

*shudders*
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 19, 2008, 04:52:23 PM
boo hoo, now you know how i feel when people drag their fucking politics into unrelated topics

Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 19, 2008, 04:53:15 PM
Hiroshima survivor stories. (http://www.inicom.com/hibakusha/)

*shudders*

I'm sure there's pearl harbor stories just as worse.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
POST HERE MORANS (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=26656.0)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: patrickula on November 19, 2008, 05:01:40 PM
Here's something:
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=b84ce194d6d6f39c_large)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2008, 05:10:11 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=a897367ae34fead2_landing)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Rman on November 19, 2008, 05:23:58 PM
Not from LIFE, but a great photo nonetheless.

(http://worldsfamousphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/muhammad_ali_versus_sonny_liston.jpg)
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Himu on November 19, 2008, 05:25:03 PM
Most of these covers being posted are fucking hilarious :lol
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: littlemathletics on November 19, 2008, 05:25:44 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=a897367ae34fead2_landing)

I would have thought there'd be more than one, but there you go.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Himu on November 19, 2008, 05:28:34 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=a897367ae34fead2_landing)

I would have thought there'd be more than one, but there you go.

There's only one homosexual in america.

And his name is Keith.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: littlemathletics on November 19, 2008, 05:33:34 PM
He must be lonely.  :'(
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Himu on November 19, 2008, 05:34:03 PM
Who do you think he has sex with? cheeseburgers?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: littlemathletics on November 19, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
He doesn't have sex. He just sits around and listens to The Smiths and dreams and sighs.
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2008, 06:14:46 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=030c8709d4a3386e_large)

New York City, 1939
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 20, 2008, 12:16:29 AM
What was the point of skyscrapers back then?
Title: Re: Google posts millions of LIFE photos, rest of work day ruined
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2008, 08:30:40 AM
What was the point of skyscrapers back then?

 :wtf