"I thought it would be safe," Freedom From Religion Foundation co-founder Annie Laurie Gaylor told CNN. "It's always a shock when your sign is censored or stolen or mutilated. It's not something you get used to."
We did? I didn't get the email :(
Is it considered an attack if it's true?
While you may believe its true, putting that sign next to a Nativity scene seems kinda crass to me. Doesn't bother me that the sign is made. To me, believe what you want. But don't purposely put it next to Church Nativity scenes celebrating the birth of Jeses to cause conflict.
While you may believe its true, putting that sign next to a Nativity scene seems kinda crass to me. Doesn't bother me that the sign is made. To me, believe what you want. But don't purposely put it next to Church Nativity scenes celebrating the birth of Jeses to cause conflict.
What the hell is a nativity scene doing in front of the Washington State Legislative Building?
This is like the "tolerant" people protesting prop 8...while spewing racial slurs to any black people in the area.What?
This is like the "tolerant" people protesting prop 8...while spewing racial slurs to any black people in the area.What?
This is like the "tolerant" people protesting prop 8...while spewing racial slurs to any black people in the area.What?
As soon as the prop 8 protesters found out that it was the large black and hispanic vote that sent it over the top to passing, they began to should racial slurs to black people while they were protesting. Even gay blacks got slammed with racial slurs even when they were part of the protests.
This is like the "tolerant" people protesting prop 8...while spewing racial slurs to any black people in the area.What?
As soon as the prop 8 protesters found out that it was the large black and hispanic vote that sent it over the top to passing, they began to should racial slurs to black people while they were protesting. Even gay blacks got slammed with racial slurs even when they were part of the protests.
This is like the "tolerant" people protesting prop 8...while spewing racial slurs to any black people in the area.What?
As soon as the prop 8 protesters found out that it was the large black and hispanic vote that sent it over the top to passing, they began to should racial slurs to black people while they were protesting. Even gay blacks got slammed with racial slurs even when they were part of the protests.
This is like the "tolerant" people protesting prop 8...while spewing racial slurs to any black people in the area.What?
As soon as the prop 8 protesters found out that it was the large black and hispanic vote that sent it over the top to passing, they began to should racial slurs to black people while they were protesting. Even gay blacks got slammed with racial slurs even when they were part of the protests.
Seriously, get the fuck out of here with your anecdotal bullshit. And for your information, blacks didn't send the vote "over the top"
Cheryl Weston once attended a wedding ceremony for gay friends, but on Election Day, she voted for a constitutional amendment to declare marriage in California as only between a man and a woman.
"It was called a holy union, but I don't know how holy it was," said Weston, a Sacramento barber.
Weston, 44, is one of an overwhelming number – 70 percent – of black voters in California who voted for Proposition 8 and helped secure its passage, according to exit polling conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International.
African Americans, energized by Barack Obama's presidential bid, boosted their numbers at the polls this year to 10 percent of the state's electorate, up from 6 percent in 2004.
"The Obama people were thrilled to turn out high percentages of African Americans, but (Proposition 8) literally wouldn't have passed without those voters," said Gary Dietrich, president of Citizen Voice, a nonpartisan voter awareness organization.
Latinos were 18 percent of California's voters, and through sheer numbers also contributed to Proposition 8's success. But 53 percent of Latino voters supported the measure, a much lower percentage than black voters. Among white and Asian voters, 49 percent voted for the measure.
Opponents of Proposition 8 appealed to voters to reject the measure as discriminatory and unconstitutional.
But messages that opponents hoped would strike a chord with minority voters – and remind them that interracial marriage once was banned – collided with traditional religious views.
"You listen to the African American pastors, they do not buy that argument," Dietrich said. "They do not believe at all that there is a correlation between civil rights vis-à-vis blacks and rights for gays."
In south Sacramento, a largely minority community, about 62 percent of residents voted for Proposition 8, while almost three-quarters voted for Obama, according to a Bee analysis of election data.
Ida Francis, 77, who worships at Kyle's Temple AME Zion Church in Sacramento, is an Obama supporter who voted for Proposition 8.
She grew up in segregated Arkansas, attending segregated schools and subjected to Jim Crow laws.
She said her church on 42nd Street doesn't tell people how to vote – just to go and exercise that right. She based her decision to vote for Proposition 8 on her Christian upbringing and faith.
"If there are people in our society who wish to live together as a man and man, well, that's their own personal opinion," she said.
However, she said, "I don't believe God intended marriage to be between a man and a man, a woman and a woman.
"We're just trying to hold on to what people see in the Bible," she said. "The family, one man, one woman, children."
She said she does believe it would be discrimination to shun gay people at a restaurant, for example, or refuse to give them a hotel room.
Weston, the barber, said she believes the Constitution protects all citizens, including gays, against discrimination in public life.
But she said that she also, as a Christian, believes that marriage is ordained by God and only between a man and a woman. "Maybe if they don't use that word – marriage," Weston said.
Proposition 8, she said, was something talked about "in all the churches."
"Mormons, Catholics, Evangelicals, all of them," she said. "We all came together, and we had one common belief in this." She said her faith teaches her not to condemn gay people, though, including her married friends.
They might change one day, she said. "God says, 'Judge nothing before its time.' "
Divisions over gay marriage proved a challenge for African American civil rights groups.
The Greater Sacramento Urban League took a stand against Proposition 8, which was the decision of its president, James Shelby, 66.
"I'm a Christian man," he said. "But I'm also president of the Urban League, and the Urban League has always been a civil rights group. That's what this organization was founded on."
He said it wouldn't be a sign of leadership to go out and "wave a flag and see how it blows" to take the pulse of the black community and then match that. "The law says that they have the right," he said. "I think that the courts are ultimately going to be the ones to prevail on this."
Sacramento NAACP President Betty Williams said her chapter was so divided it chose not to take a position on Proposition 8, although the California NAACP opposed it.
"We were split right down the middle," Williams said, with younger people tending to oppose rather than favor it.
Williams declined to state how she voted but said she believes "having the government tell a person whether or not they can marry someone is discrimination. It is."
She said she doesn't believe any black person, though, would "knowingly" discriminate against anyone else. "They did not walk into that voting booth wanting to discriminate," she said.
Williams said younger members argued against Proposition 8, saying it doesn't hurt anyone if gay people marry.
"They also said that if you're taking away one group's rights, 'Who is next?' "
SACRAMENTO, California, November 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Amid the rampant homosexualist protests in California, following the victory of Proposition 8, reports are pouring into homosexual blogs of same-sex "marriage" supporters directing their bile against the African-American community, aiming racist and threatening remarks even against blacks who are themselves homosexual.
Exit polls showed that African-Americans supported Proposition 8, the true marriage ballot measure, 70% to 30%.
One reader of Rod 2.0, a leading gay blog by an African-American, reported that when he joined the large homosexual protest outside Westwood's Mormon Temple, protesters called him a "distinguished black fellow" at least twice.
"It was like being at a klan rally except the klansmen were wearing Abercrombie polos and Birkenstocks," wrote the commenter.
"YOU distinguished black fellow, one man shouted at men (sic). If your people want to call me a distinguished effete fellow, I will call you a distinguished black fellow. Someone else said same thing to me on the next block near the temple ... me and my friend were walking, he is also gay but Korean, and a young WeHo clone said after last night the distinguished black fellows better not come to West Hollywood if they knew what was BEST for them."
Another African-American reader from Los Angeles reports that he and his boyfriend, also black, were harassed about their race despite their prominently carrying "No on 8" signs.
"Three older men accosted my friend and shouted, 'Black people did this, I hope you people are happy!'" he relates.
When the man pointed out the sign he carried, "One of the older men said it didn't matter because 'most black people hated gays' and he was 'wrong' to think we had compassion,'" he says. "I guess he never thought we were gay."
Jasmyne Cannick, another popular African-American homosexual blogger, said last week that within three days of Proposition 8's victory she received several calls from homosexual and straight blacks who described being called “distinguished black fellows” and "being accosted in their cars and told that it was because of 'you people gays don’t have equal rights and you better watch your back.'"
Homosexualist leaders have called upon their constituents to cease the racist attacks.
Kathryn Kolbert, President of the liberal People For the American Way Foundation, said that homosexuals should not blame blacks, saying that "responding to that hurt by lashing out at African Americans is deeply wrong and offensive — not to mention destructive to the goal of advancing equality."
Instead, she suggested that the cultural influence of religion is more to blame. She claims that religious leaders swayed the black community against same-sex "marriage," and convinced them to break away from the "civil rights" banner now hoisted by homosexuals.
In response, Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., told LifeSiteNews.com that "it is absolutely no secret that African Americans support the sanctity of life and marriage," adding that this fact is "something that America needs to know."
Blacks support the true definition of marriage rather than "equal rights" for homosexual unions, King said, because homosexual "marriage" is not a legitimate civil rights issue - contrary to some who say blacks have hypocritically abandoned the fight for equal protection under law.
"Certainly and obviously procreative marriage - between one man and woman - is God's best plan for raising children," said King. "We as African Americans cannot possibly be missing the boat by understanding that the sanctity of marriage is the best way to be sure that the human race thrives."
Anti-marriage protesters have also attracted media attention for targeting individual supporters of Proposition 8.
Scott Eckern of the California Musical Theatre, a true marriage supporter, resigned from his position as artistic director when homosexual "marriage" advocates began attacking Eckern and boycotting the theater. Eckhern had privately donated $1000 to the "Yes on 8" campaign.
Blogger Clyde Fitch launched one of many invectives against Eckern, calling him "an enemy of all that is good in America.
"You deserve not only to be fired, you should be viciously attacked using words and nothing but words by the men and women of the American theatre. And then you should go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under. Slime."
Upon his resignation, Eckern apologized for the "hurt feelings" his actions caused, but did not apologize for his commitment to true marriage.
The Bee also reports that Scott Purves, of Purves & Associates, a Davis insurance company, described someone picketing his business earlier this week with a sign reading, "Purves Family Supports Homophobia."
"If this had gone the other way, I can't imagine the backlash if people protested and called the other side names," said Purves. "People would be angry and rightfully so."
I really wish Santa's sleigh would do a drive-by on all these anti-Christmas fags.You cheated
You're blaming 10% of the vote on pushing prop 8 over the edge? Seriously, fuck outta hereI think the fact he tried to make it seem like anti-prop 8 people are racist is a bit more alarming.
That sign was just uncalled for. But I guess they had the right to put it up.
When the phrase "Merry Christmas" becomes un-PC, then yes, there is a war on Christmas. It's not all a persecution complex.
merry x-masI bet MS had a hand in starting that.
that's another thing
"i don't celebrate christmas because jesus lol and btw i'm a pompous shutin with no friends whom people back away from at parties," or "christmas is jesus and candy canes are blasphemous so why should i be forced to blah blah blah whine whine whine
here's an idea, how about you SHUT YOUR GODDAMNED CRYING DICKHOLE AND ENJOY THE DAYS OFF AND DELICIOUS FREE CAKE AND PUNCH AT HOLIDAY GATHERINGS NO ONE'S FORCING YOU TO WORSHIP JESUS AND/OR SANTA YOU STUPID FUCKS
most jackasses who claim to hate christmas sure as fuck didn't mind it when they were kids squealing with delight tearing open presents on christmas morning
kill you all, oh god just give me a fucking excuse
i dodn't celebrate shit 'cet for time off work. fuck your hoodoo astrology jesus shit.
merry x-masI bet MS had a hand in starting that.
what? i don't have a christmas tree.i dodn't celebrate shit 'cet for time off work. fuck your hoodoo astrology jesus shit.
but putting up a fucking tree inside your house is fucking cool.
I like Christmas, but I don't understand how any American could possibly feel nostalgic about it, given how its presented here. I've lived my whole life not realizing that Santa resides at no less than 4 local car dealerships, and of course likes nothing more than to hang out in the nearest (and next-nearest) mall. I'm pretty sure that on some primal level, American Christmas is what fuels Boyd Rice.
I'll say that Christmas makes more sense now that I have a kid. Although, it's bloody annoying not getting much credit for the cool and awesome presents she gets.
:roflmerry x-masI bet MS had a hand in starting that.
merry (!)-mas
Jeremiah 10:1-5
10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
I like Christmas, but I don't understand how any American could possibly feel nostalgic about it, given how its presented here. I've lived my whole life not realizing that Santa resides at no less than 4 local car dealerships, and of course likes nothing more than to hang out in the nearest (and next-nearest) mall. I'm pretty sure that on some primal level, American Christmas is what fuels Boyd Rice.
I'll say that Christmas makes more sense now that I have a kid. Although, it's bloody annoying not getting much credit for the cool and awesome presents she gets.
My parents only had santa put candy canes and small tuff (less than $5 stuff) in stockings. All the real gifts were from my parents.
serious talk, is Christmas all about religion?
I don't understand why would anyone hate it this much, can't you just enjoy the holiday without believing in the religious interpretations?
you know, gifts... families getting together... etc etc.
that's another thing
"i don't celebrate christmas because jesus lol and btw i'm a pompous shutin with no friends whom people back away from at parties," or "christmas is jesus and candy canes are blasphemous so why should i be forced to blah blah blah whine whine whine
here's an idea, how about you SHUT YOUR GODDAMNED CRYING DICKHOLE AND ENJOY THE DAYS OFF AND DELICIOUS FREE CAKE AND PUNCH AT HOLIDAY GATHERINGS NO ONE'S FORCING YOU TO WORSHIP JESUS AND/OR SANTA YOU STUPID FUCKS
most jackasses who claim to hate christmas sure as fuck didn't mind it when they were kids squealing with delight tearing open presents on christmas morning
kill you all, oh god just give me a fucking excuse
that's another thing
"i don't celebrate christmas because jesus lol and btw i'm a pompous shutin with no friends whom people back away from at parties," or "christmas is jesus and candy canes are blasphemous so why should i be forced to blah blah blah whine whine whine
here's an idea, how about you SHUT YOUR GODDAMNED CRYING DICKHOLE AND ENJOY THE DAYS OFF AND DELICIOUS FREE CAKE AND PUNCH AT HOLIDAY GATHERINGS NO ONE'S FORCING YOU TO WORSHIP JESUS AND/OR SANTA YOU STUPID FUCKS
most jackasses who claim to hate christmas sure as fuck didn't mind it when they were kids squealing with delight tearing open presents on christmas morning
kill you all, oh god just give me a fucking excuse
omg :rofl
why are you so mad, Eel?
When the phrase "Merry Christmas" becomes un-PC, then yes, there is a war on Christmas. It's not all a persecution complex.