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Title: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 29, 2008, 12:01:05 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7802485.stm


Stalin voted third-best Russian
Portrait of Joseph Stalin at Communist Party celebration of his birthday - 21/12/2008
Stalin continues to be popular with many Russians

Former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was beaten by medieval prince Alexander Nevsky in a poll held by a TV station to find the greatest Russian.

Stalin came third, despite being responsible for the deaths of millions of Soviets in labour camps and purges.

Alexander Nevsky fought off European invaders in the 13th century to preserve a united Russia.

In second place was reformist Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin, who was assassinated in 1911.

More than 50 million people voted by phone, the internet or via text messages in the poll held by Rossiya, one of Russia's biggest television stations.

The voting took place over six months as 500 original candidates were whittled down to a final 12.

Rehabilitation campaign

Stalin - born an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.

Stalin sent millions of people to their deaths in the work camps of the Gulag. Millions more perished in political purges or during the forced collectivisation of farms during his rule from the 1920s to his death in 1953.

Many in Russia do still revere Stalin for his role during World War II when the Soviet Union defeated the forces of Nazi Germany.

Screenshot of Name of Russia website on 23 December
The poll was conducted online and by phone and text message

But now there is a much broader campaign to rehabilitate Stalin and it seems to be coming from the highest levels of government, says our correspondent.

"We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put [Joseph] Stalin in third place," said actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest's judges, after the results were released.

Nevsky fought off Swedish and Germanic invasions to preserve medieval Russia. He also pursued a conciliatory policy with the powerful Mongol rulers to protect Russia's eastern flank.

He was canonised as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church in the 16th century.

Stolypin is remembered for his attempts to modernise agriculture and stifle leftist revolutionaries as prime minister under Tsar Nicholas II.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Eric P on December 29, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
oh, russia

you so crazy
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
Awesome
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 29, 2008, 12:42:46 PM
During his time in office, Stalin had a 100% approval rating.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 29, 2008, 02:13:35 PM
ahhhh, mothaland
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Tauntaun on December 29, 2008, 02:41:12 PM
In Soviet Russia, road forks you. 

 :cookiem

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Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: drozmight on December 29, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
The man took Russia from Feudalism to Nuclear power in like 30 years.

And he killed like millions in the process.

 :bow
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
The best part about this is that he's Georgian, not Russian.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 29, 2008, 09:37:49 PM
The best part about this is that he's Georgian, not Russian.

which would have been Russia when he was born and though almost all his life.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2008, 09:43:10 PM
The best part about this is that he's Georgian, not Russian.

which would have been Russia when he was born and though almost all his life.

True.

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"We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put [Joseph] Stalin in third place," said actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest's judges, after the results were released.

Stalin in a decade and a half turned Russia from a backwater kingdom to a feared superpower and dramatically altered world politics for decades.  Russia has lost a lot of its prestige internationally and Stalin is a representation of the days when Russia had a lot more power.  He was a brutal dictator but what he did in the short amount of time is impressive.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2008, 10:35:44 PM
It was.  He was at 1st place:

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Stalin - born an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 29, 2008, 11:36:35 PM
It was.  He was at 1st place:

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Stalin - born an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.

Not the first time Russians fucked with Poles.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Boogie on December 29, 2008, 11:48:43 PM
Stalin, FTW!

The best part about this is that he's Georgian, not Russian.

which would have been Russia when he was born and though almost all his life.

True.

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"We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put [Joseph] Stalin in third place," said actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest's judges, after the results were released.

Stalin in a decade and a half turned Russia from a backwater kingdom to a feared superpower and dramatically altered world politics for decades.  Russia has lost a lot of its prestige internationally and Stalin is a representation of the days when Russia had a lot more power.  He was a brutal dictator but what he did in the short amount of time is impressive.

Shit, you might as well say the same about Hitler, pre-1939.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Mandark on December 30, 2008, 01:36:58 AM
This probably says something about how national heroes are elevated based on their role in creating a nation or making it militarily powerful rather than actually doing good blah blah blah.

Whither Gorbechev?
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2008, 03:01:14 AM
It was.  He was at 1st place:

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Stalin - born an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.

Not the first time Russians fucked with Poles.


 :lol
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Boogie on December 30, 2008, 07:20:52 AM
Not the first time Russians fucked with Poles.

Maybe because we managed to conquer their asses. They got reason to be mad.

 :piss America alleged superpower  :piss2

 :bow Poland capturing Moscow  :bow2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605-1618)

Uh-huh.  And how did the next four hundred years of history go in regards to Russo-Polish interaction?  :rofl
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2008, 02:08:30 PM
Poles like to live 400 years in the past.  Russia 60 years.  smh eastern Europeans. 
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2008, 03:55:07 PM
Not the first time Russians fucked with Poles.

Maybe because we managed to conquer their asses. They got reason to be mad.

 :piss America alleged superpower  :piss2

 :bow Poland capturing Moscow  :bow2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605-1618)

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Resutls: Successful Russian repulsion of Polish invasion; minor Polish territorial gains.

Sounds like a resounding victory, much like the time America won the Vietnam War.  :borys
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 30, 2008, 03:58:14 PM
Back to Stalin:

(http://englishrussia.com/images/volga_stalin/1.jpg)
(http://englishrussia.com/images/volga_stalin/6.jpg)
(http://englishrussia.com/images/volga_stalin/7.jpg)
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 30, 2008, 04:20:47 PM
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This probably says something about how national heroes are elevated based on their role in creating a nation or making it militarily powerful rather than actually doing good blah blah blah.

my favorite national hero/villain is Oliver Cromwell, mostly thanks to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSZw6KvzI-Y)
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 30, 2008, 05:36:02 PM
Why you sticking up for russia anyways? You communist bitches or what?  :maf

TBH I dont think Polish history could be anything but shit being locked between the worlds greatest continental powers for 400 years.

Me?  I only stuck up for Russia in the recent Georgia conflict.  That's all. 
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2008, 05:48:09 PM
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This probably says something about how national heroes are elevated based on their role in creating a nation or making it militarily powerful rather than actually doing good blah blah blah.

my favorite national hero/villain is Oliver Cromwell, mostly thanks to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSZw6KvzI-Y)

lol, that video
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2008, 05:51:58 PM
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This probably says something about how national heroes are elevated based on their role in creating a nation or making it militarily powerful rather than actually doing good blah blah blah.

my favorite national hero/villain is Oliver Cromwell, mostly thanks to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSZw6KvzI-Y)

I'm a fan of the Monty Python song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell_Song).
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2009, 02:44:20 PM
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This probably says something about how national heroes are elevated based on their role in creating a nation or making it militarily powerful rather than actually doing good blah blah blah.

my favorite national hero/villain is Oliver Cromwell, mostly thanks to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSZw6KvzI-Y)

Oliver Cromwell was rated 10th on a list of 100 Greatest Britons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons), just below John Lennon but well above Paul McCartney.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 01, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
so Russia is scientifically confirmed to be 3 1/3 more evil than Britain.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
Briton's third place finisher, Princess Diana, is even more embarrassing than Russia's. And only one philosopher--Thomas Paine, a political philosopher--made their top hundred.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2009, 03:47:44 PM
Is Katie Price on that list?  David or Victoria Beckham?
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2009, 03:52:15 PM
Beckham finished in 33rd place.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2009, 04:09:15 PM
smh
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2009, 04:20:43 PM
Given the UK's rich history, names like Bono, David Bowie, Princess Diana, and Beckham shouldn't even be anywhere near the Top 100.
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2009, 04:24:18 PM
Given the UK's rich history, names like Bono, David Bowie, Princess Diana, and Beckham shouldn't even be anywhere near the Top 100.

I figured this was like a Pop Culture list or something.

"100 Greatest Britons was broadcast in 2002 by the BBC. The programme was the result of a vote conducted to determine whom the United Kingdom public considers the greatest British people have been in history."
Title: Re: and the bronze goes to ... Stalin!
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2009, 04:33:22 PM

a list influenced by pop culture does not equal a pop culture list