didn't you get the memo? criticism of fractional reserve banking makes you a crazy, tin foil-hat libertarian
Are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting?No, the documentary proposes something different and new, instead of going back to gold coins.spoiler (click to show/hide)(http://www.usagold.com/images/gold-coins-images.jpeg)[close]
I posted that link a while back in the election thread and Frag laughed at me. :'(
Read it. Gold Standard was one of the causes of the Great Depression
Completely bullshit.
Gold Standard only "prolonged" the Great Depression,
That seems like a pretty short-sighted documentary. It says that the fractional reserve system was needed to meet the expansion needs of the colonists and industrial revolution but it doesn't give any solution.What? It proposes (a) different monetary system(s) at the end, starting at around the 35minute mark.
The documentary makes me think population control is the only option. Because terraforming other planets is the only thing thats going to let this process continue and that is ElOhEl
Well, isn't the western world population ageing? Population control is a bigger problem in 3rd world countries found in Africa (and Asia), especially if we find a cure for AIDS and other diseases.The documentary makes me think population control is the only option. Because terraforming other planets is the only thing thats going to let this process continue and that is ElOhEl
Population control is a big elephant in the room that needs to be addressed before we could pretend to be concerned with climate change. The population of earth has tripled (more than tripled by some estimates) during the 20th century. Not only is that climbing number damaging to the environment and a drain on earth's resources, but there are other, more immediately pragmatic (for society) concerns. Like, where will these people find jobs? We can't expect new markets to constantly pop up for these people, and the increased demands in the service industry for serving the new people won't logically cover everyone. Also, this is just another reason why the gold standard isn't any good--the more people in an economy, the more money there needs to be. We couldn't even back our money with gold in the 20s (right?), and you think we'd be able to keep it backed with our current population, which has just about tripled since then?
Population control needs to be PUBLICLY TALKED ABOUT. It is a far more pressing issue than long term climate change.
Well, isn't the western world population ageing? Population control is a bigger problem in 3rd world countries found in Africa (and Asia), especially if we find a cure for AIDS and other diseases.The documentary makes me think population control is the only option. Because terraforming other planets is the only thing thats going to let this process continue and that is ElOhEl
Population control is a big elephant in the room that needs to be addressed before we could pretend to be concerned with climate change. The population of earth has tripled (more than tripled by some estimates) during the 20th century. Not only is that climbing number damaging to the environment and a drain on earth's resources, but there are other, more immediately pragmatic (for society) concerns. Like, where will these people find jobs? We can't expect new markets to constantly pop up for these people, and the increased demands in the service industry for serving the new people won't logically cover everyone. Also, this is just another reason why the gold standard isn't any good--the more people in an economy, the more money there needs to be. We couldn't even back our money with gold in the 20s (right?), and you think we'd be able to keep it backed with our current population, which has just about tripled since then?
Population control needs to be PUBLICLY TALKED ABOUT. It is a far more pressing issue than long term climate change.
So, we shouldn't be proactive about things if we think the planet will take care of them by itself? Especially since the most likely thing the planet will do to take care of itself is to create some sort of terrible superplague?
So, we shouldn't be proactive about things if we think the planet will take care of them by itself? Especially since the most likely thing the planet will do to take care of itself is to create some sort of terrible superplague?
I was thinking more a long the lines of plant not being able to produce enough food if the population gets out of control. I've never heard any theories on super plagues.
What? It proposes (a) different monetary system(s) at the end, starting at around the 35minute mark.My point was that there was no solution that would allow for the current trend of expansion. Any idea that requires a radical change in the way businesses are run is just blowing smoke up everybody's ass.
The planet will take care of population control by itself.So we should hand off responsibility of our own society to nature?
So you believe in exponential expansion and everlasting expansion?What? It proposes (a) different monetary system(s) at the end, starting at around the 35minute mark.My point was that there was no solution that would allow for the current trend of expansion. Any idea that requires a radical change in the way businesses are run is just blowing smoke up everybody's ass.
Nature will find a way, probably without us then. It has recovered and changed time and again but we should take responsibility if we want to survive.The planet will take care of population control by itself.So we should hand off responsibility of our own society to nature?
So you believe in exponential expansion and everlasting expansion?There's no problem saying that we should reform the current system. The bullshit is at the end where the government has to do enormous social programs for the sole reason of changing our monetary system. For all we know, changing the system like that could cause corporations to fail by making it too hard for them to obtain credit. That's why the documentary sounds really BSy to me when it throws out total hail-mary assumptions at the end.
Nature will find a way, probably without us then. It has recovered and changed time and again but we should take responsibility if we want to survive.
The monetary system we have now relies on exponential growth every year: growth in printing money, using up resources, consumption, etc. How can exponential growth continue if so much of it relies on finite and limited resources? If the problem is in the system itself, then how can you fix it without radical change? I don't think we'll have the guts or will to do this until shit really hits the fan though.So you believe in exponential expansion and everlasting expansion?There's no problem saying that we should reform the current system. The bullshit is at the end where the government has to do enormous social programs for the sole reason of changing our monetary system. For all we know, changing the system like that could cause corporations to fail by making it too hard for them to obtain credit. That's why the documentary sounds really BSy to me when it throws out total hail-mary assumptions at the end.
Nature will find a way, probably without us then. It has recovered and changed time and again but we should take responsibility if we want to survive.
And what is the point of saying that "nature will find a way"? That makes it sound like you live off of the land or something.
The planet will take care of the federal reserve issues.