I uh, mean like 1000 years ago.Genghis Khan. I heard that he took the Middle-East (Persia at least) out of the way so that he could control the trade routes. He actually tooke over the capital, burned it and all the libraries and universities to the ground, and then made it into farmland. The guy knew how to rape.
ok, i'm on the case, getting my wiki on
perhaps the Mongols had something to do with it?
crap, beaten
Actually, the Christian Monks also worked to preserve and translate the old Greek texts so it wasn't like the europeanss had no access to those philosophies.My mom was a teacher in a school with largely (Muslim) immigrant population and the idea that we came from apes was preposterous to them. They were very much opposed to the idea of evolution.
I think I heard that Genghis' plan for Persia was to just burn and kill every living thing since Genghis didn't have the resources to leave some of his army in those cities to stand guard. Genghis probably didn't have too much use for Persia's military technology after he took over China and after he took over Hungary, the strongest Christian nation at the time, the rest of Europe was about to fall but thankfully he croaked.
Today, I know that they do teach evolution in muslim schools and I don't think that it's considered controversial at all. I've never heard a non-christian dispute evolution anyways.
Actually, the Christian Monks also worked to preserve and translate the old Greek texts so it wasn't like the europeanss had no access to those philosophies.
Yeah, the christian monks of the dark ages basically copied and recopied the text of the bible, occasionally adding their own margin illustrations.And after that it didn't get much better. They simply started writing commentaries about the newly introduced Ancient Greek and modern Arab writers, mostly trying to square the new thinkers with the Bible.
My experience with muslim beliefs on evolution is based on second-generation immigrants.
Any idea why a group of second-generation immigrants raised in well educated immigrant families (most Muslim immigrants in the US have university degrees) in Northern California might not be a random sample.
So I have to a second-generation immigrant raised in well educated immigrant families to be educated and acknowledged? Do I look like anmonkeyape to you? :saudicry
EDIT: unless I've misunderstood your post, which might prove you right :o
Why not unconscious manifestation of my gay sex drive? Certainly if I were a better Muslim I'd loathe this place... yet I don't.
...but there could also be something else at play.
Are you implying that I'm on a mission to clear up the name and the misconceptions around Islam, and perhaps try to convert (or recruit) some of you?spoiler (click to show/hide)Himumu :teehee[close]
"Iraq in 1258 was very different from present day Iraq. Its agriculture was supported by canal networks thousands of years old. Baghdad was one of the most brilliant intellectual centers in the world. The Mongol destruction of Baghdad was a psychological blow from which Islam never recovered. Already Islam was turning inward, becoming more suspicious of conflicts between faith and reason and more conservative. With the sack of Baghdad, the intellectual flowering of Islam was snuffed out. Imagining the Athens of Pericles and Aristotle obliterated by a nuclear weapon begins to suggest the enormity of the blow. The Mongols filled in the irrigation canals and left Iraq too depopulated to restore them." (Steven Dutch)
"From the King of Kings of the East and West, the Great Khan. To Qutuz the Mamluk, who fled to escape our swords. You should think of what happened to other countries and submit to us. You have heard how we have conquered a vast empire and have purified the earth of the disorders that tainted it. We have conquered vast areas, massacring all the people. You cannot escape from the terror of our armies. Where can you flee? What road will you use to escape us? Our horses are swift, our arrows sharp, our swords like thunderbolts, our hearts as hard as the mountains, our soldiers as numerous as the sand. Fortresses will not detain us, nor arms stop us. Your prayers to God will not avail against us. We are not moved by tears nor touched by lamentations. Only those who beg our protection will be safe. Hasten your reply before the fire of war is kindled. Resist and you will suffer the most terrible catastrophes. We will shatter your mosques and reveal the weakness of your God and then we will kill your children and your old men together. At present you are the only enemy against whom we have to march."
If my roommate posted on EB he'd be defending the Monguls :gloomy for some reason he thinks that they're misrepresented and not as bad as everyone think. See he read a "book" that says so, and decided that all the others were filled with lies and written with bitter tears.Mongols joined the East and West through the Silk Road and gave citizens peace throughout the regions they conquered. Plus they allowed all faiths to co-exist since Genghis Khan thought he had a mandate from God and such.
I can't remember his arguments, but some had some merit. I still believe that they weren't solely responsible for the collapse, I could be wrong though...
Mongols joined the East and West through the Silk Road and gave citizens peace throughout the regions they conquered. Plus they allowed all faiths to co-exist since Genghis Khan thought he had a mandate from God and such.They didn't exactly have democracies back then to vote on things like this. No empire (that I know of) surrendered to him until he raped and pillaged at least one major city. Be it other Mongol tribes, China, Persia, Hungary, etc. Most likely, he would have done a lot of damage to Europe if he lived another 20 years.
That's why the Genghis was so big on this, 'surrender or die' thing since he thought he was doing God's will and bringing the people's of the world together or something. Blaming Mongols for killing Islamic intellectualism *smh*. They had hundreds of years to reclaim that back :punch