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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 19, 2009, 07:42:00 PM

Title: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 19, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
ROFL

PlayStation 2 131K
PlayStation 3 276K
PSP 199K
Xbox 360 391K
Wii 753K
Nintendo DS 588K


Wii Fit w/ Balance Board (WII) 644K
Street Fighter IV* (360) 446K
Street Fighter IV* (PS3) 403K
Wii Play w/ Remote (WII) 386K
Killzone 2 (PS3) 323K
Wii Mario Kart with wheel (WII) 263K
Call of Duty: World at War* (360) 193K
Mario Kart DS (NDS) 145K
New Super Mario Bros (NDS) 144K
Guitar Hero World Tour* (WII) 136K

Failzone 2 confirmed
Title: Re: OMG! NPD! Failzone 2 confirmed!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
As said in the outside link thread, isn't that sort of crazy good considering the platform and the release date? Not to mention the marketing, but even without taking that into account, what do PS3 exclusives typically sell?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD! Failzone 2 confirmed!
Post by: cool breeze on March 19, 2009, 07:44:17 PM
SFIV did way better than I expected
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 07:44:55 PM
Jesus fucking Christ at Wiifit.  :gloomy
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 19, 2009, 07:45:45 PM
SO4 bomba.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 19, 2009, 07:47:42 PM
PS3 was the only system that declined from the previous year.  LOL.

Yeah SO4 must have tanked, doing 135k or lower.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 19, 2009, 07:48:34 PM
I dont think anyone expected SO4 to chart. Which is good. Game is crap
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2009, 07:49:21 PM
Well Killzone 2 did better than LBP's first run (only had 4 days to get 200k I believe). But like LBP, it should plummet by the next month.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2009, 07:49:56 PM
STREET FIGHTER :rock :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on March 19, 2009, 07:50:04 PM
Star Ocean  :'(
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 19, 2009, 07:54:14 PM
killzone 2 released; america sees sub-re5 visuals and tired motif and goes "meh"
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Rman on March 19, 2009, 07:55:56 PM
Great news for fighting fans.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Jansen on March 19, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
ROFL
Street Fighter IV* (360) 446K
Street Fighter IV* (PS3) 403K

This game will bomb.  Just wait until there is a fire sale somewhere in a couple of months and get a good stick for cheap

 :teehee

Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2009, 07:58:56 PM
Great news for fighting fans.

There was never any reason to worry. Smash Bros. Brawl didn't bomb either, after all.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:smug
[close]
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 07:59:55 PM
Hey remember when people said "it was only out 10hrs" for LBP, remember how that went next month?

:bow SF4 :bow2
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
Feb 2008

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PlayStation 2 351.8K
PlayStation 3 280.8K
PlayStation Portable 243.1K
Xbox 360 254.6K
Nintendo DS 587.6K
Wii 432K
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: tiesto on March 19, 2009, 08:01:20 PM
Fucking sucks SO4 tanked, that's my favorite 360 game...

But it's nice to see SF4 do well.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2009, 08:01:45 PM
Great news for fighting fans.

There was never any reason to worry. Smash Bros. Brawl didn't bomb either, after all.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:smug
[close]

Brawl :yuck
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: tiesto on March 19, 2009, 08:01:55 PM
I dont think anyone expected SO4 to chart. Which is good. Game is crap

50 cent didn't chart either.  ;)
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 19, 2009, 08:02:30 PM
Great news for fighting fans.

I think it says more about people's fond memories of Street Fighter, and less for fighting games in general. This will ring true when Blaz Blue and KOFXII tank this summer.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 08:03:07 PM
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50 cent didn't chart either.  ;)

sales =! quality
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 19, 2009, 08:06:24 PM
I dont think anyone expected SO4 to chart. Which is good. Game is crap

50 cent didn't chart either.  ;)

I didn't expect that to chart either :)
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 08:07:37 PM
ROFL
Street Fighter IV* (360) 446K
Street Fighter IV* (PS3) 403K

This game will bomb.  Just wait until there is a fire sale somewhere in a couple of months and get a good stick for cheap

 :teehee

I came in here to post this, but I'll just quote you instead.

Also, where is that high quality gaming experience Wii Music on the chart?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Jansen on March 19, 2009, 08:13:48 PM
don't worry guys killzone 2 will be a slow burner just like little big planet!

Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 08:16:05 PM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/cknight03/SavethePS3.jpg)
Title: Re: OMG! NPD! Failzone 2 confirmed!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 19, 2009, 08:18:33 PM
As said in the outside link thread, isn't that sort of crazy good considering the platform and the release date? Not to mention the marketing, but even without taking that into account, what do PS3 exclusives typically sell?

I don't care anymore, and the number seems fine to me. But...crazy good? Didn't you used to compare this to Gears of War 2 sales potential?

Is this even close?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 19, 2009, 08:24:07 PM
Gears came out nov 7, someone do the maths

?

Uh, i'm talking for the same time period. I mean, it's certainly no halo. So the "halo killer" label is out of the question. But you know, next month will tell the tale i guess.

I bet my dusty Wii on RES5 murdering Kz2.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2009, 08:25:51 PM
More PS3 owners bought SF than Killzone, lol.

I think this just shows that Sony marketing fucking sucks.  I mean when have they actually marketed a game so well it sells millions in the last few years?  They need to fire everyone in marketing and get a new department.  

I'm 100% convinced that marketing is all that games need to sell well this generation (outside occasional word of mouth title like some Wii shovelware).  Capcom marketed SFIV very, very well and suddenly everyone and their moms whose never played a fighting game in their life wanted a piece of it.  
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: cool breeze on March 19, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
there are only two PS3 games I would expect to sell well: God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 (in 2011 lol)

doubt Uncharted 2, Infamous or anything else will really top sales like anything Nintendo or Microsoft puts out, but I don't really care that much.  PS3 will continue to slowly fail while providing games I enjoy, and like the gamecube, Sony might rethink the next console.  I just hope that the next system isn't as poor as the Wii.  I'm hoping for a them to get fully behind a PSP2.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 19, 2009, 08:27:53 PM
I actually thought the Ps3 numbers were good. But apparently the system is down YoY.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Rman on March 19, 2009, 08:28:29 PM
I agree about KZ2, Bebpo.  It is almost as Sony doesn't now how to generate hype, both Nintendo and MS have run a clinic on marketing this gen--Nintendo with the alpha mom stuff and MS with the hardcore stuff--Gears, Halo 3, Gears 2, while SCE just keeps putting on horrible campaigns.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2009, 08:32:22 PM
I can't believe that before the announcement of SFIV people thought that capcom shouldn't even bother with the series, and don't get me started on how everyone reacted when it was announced that it's gonna be in 3D.

:bow Capcom :bow2

Didn't SF3 sell like absolute shite, tho? I remember seeing it did just a few hundred thousand. Or that might have just been the PSP version.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2009, 08:34:54 PM
Considering SF3 had a Dreamcast (lol) and PS2/Xbox compilation release, I'm not surprised it sold like shit. 
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 08:36:44 PM
Sony's game lineup really only sells to people who already have a PS3.

Their PS2 lineup was different because they had products like Singstar, Buzz, Eye Toy, Ratchet, Jak etc.. which were unlike anything else available elsewhere.

Now Nintendo has taken their social gaming, Microsoft took their core gaming segment, and now they've only got a price drop left to spike interest. Which it should do quite well, but leaving it this late really makes things tough
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
bububu KZ2 was only out a couple days

 :lol
Title: Re: OMG! NPD! Failzone 2 confirmed!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 08:40:56 PM
As said in the outside link thread, isn't that sort of crazy good considering the platform and the release date? Not to mention the marketing, but even without taking that into account, what do PS3 exclusives typically sell?

I don't care anymore, and the number seems fine to me. But...crazy good? Didn't you used to compare this to Gears of War 2 sales potential?

Is this even close?

Yeah well, that was back when I thought Sony would get it together on the marketing end of things. That has obviously not happened. Maybe the PS3 owners never had it in them to make it a big hit, but shit marketing hasn't helped. Given the variables, I really don't see how this isn't a pretty damned good number for a PS3 exclusive. Did Uncharted even sell that much in the whole month it was out? I expected KZ2 to make a bigger splash given how marketable it is, but then that assumes that this marketability would be taken advantage of.

Sony's game lineup really only sells to people who already have a PS3.

Even that is not true, you know. For one, the system seller deal doesn't seem to be a realistic factor these days. But PS3 games don't even sell to existing PS3 owners. We'll see where the game lands (especially worldwide, given the differences in marketing of the game here and there), but over 300k in a few days seems to be far above the norm.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
Haha I just realized none of the "core" 3rd party Wii games (HOTD, Deadly Creatures, etc) charted.  I bet Mad World doesn't chart in March.  Have fun with your waggle minigames nintards. :rofl
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Grecco on March 19, 2009, 08:45:56 PM
Im stunned, that people are actually thinking those KZ numbers are good. Stunned.


Sony dropped the ball so bad with KZ.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 19, 2009, 08:46:34 PM
WiiFit, more like WiiFad, amirite?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
Im stunned, that people are actually thinking those KZ numbers are good. Stunned.


Sony dropped the ball so bad with KZ.

Given historical precedence, it's good. But yes, they dropped the ball on marketing. Which is a shame, because the game is actually good, too.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Grecco on March 19, 2009, 08:53:15 PM
Historical presedence?

there hasnt been a PS3 game this hyped, and probably this expensive (maybe MGS4)

if it doesnt even end up outselling Resistance 2 it will be a stunning faliure imo.

KZ1 if im not mistaken was a million selling franchise on PS2.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 19, 2009, 08:53:39 PM
WiiFit, more like WiiFad, amirite?

NO MONEY NO MONEY
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 08:55:42 PM
Historical presedence?

there hasnt been a PS3 game this hyped, and probably this expensive (maybe MGS4)

if it doesnt even end up outselling Resistance 2 it will be a stunning faliure imo.

It will. And as I recall, KZ1 was only ever a big game in Europe, and I don't think it sold 300k in a couple of days. But realistically, I could see KZ1 working against the sequel.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD! Failzone 2 confirmed!
Post by: treythemovie on March 19, 2009, 08:57:33 PM
Given the variables, I really don't see how this isn't a pretty damned good number for a PS3 exclusive.
Given the variables, I really don't see how this isn't a pretty damned good number for a Gamecube third-party game.

Haha I just realized none of the "core" 3rd party Wii games (HOTD, Deadly Creatures, etc) charted.  I bet Mad World doesn't chart in March.  Have fun with your waggle minigames nintards. :rofl
Who expected either of those to chart? Star Ocean, HOTD, etc, expecting any of them to chart is basically expecting them to beat out Ninty casual flood. Ever since the Nintendomination began the NPD top 10 has been mostly useless in telling what bombed or not.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Draft on March 19, 2009, 08:59:03 PM
KZ2 sales are good, when viewed in the context of KZ2 being an average FPS in a market glutted with FPS and exclusive to a tanking system.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD! Failzone 2 confirmed!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 19, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
Who expected either of those to chart? Star Ocean, HOTD, etc, expecting any of them to chart is basically expecting them to beat out Ninty casual flood. Ever since the Nintendomination began the NPD top 10 has been mostly useless in telling what bombed or not.

Not saying that those games didn't bomb, but the Wii has had some slow boilers that sold well but never made it into the top ten.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 09:02:45 PM
KZ2 sales are good, when viewed in the context of KZ2 being an average FPS in a market glutted with FPS and exclusive to a tanking system.

I obviously disagree with it being merely average, but to potential buyers, yeah, it's probably just one more shooter among many. On an expensive system. It still should have sold to the existing userbase, but I guess if many of them were fans of the PS2 still hoping that the PS3 will have similar games, a game like this probably isn't so attractive.

Still, it seems odd to cut on marketing when you've already pumped tens of millions of dollars into the game.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2009, 09:03:12 PM
Meh, Sony will still send out a press release saying that they shipped 8+ million units world wide and the Sony faithful will be all "SEE SONY THEMSELVES SAID IT NOW WHY WOULD THEY LIE"
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 09:08:58 PM
Wii's success only good for Nintendo.

New Wii buyers only buy the Wii for WiiFit or/and Mario Kart.

Third party developers don't get any advantage of the Wii hw sales since WiiFit buyers (women+girs) won't buy other games.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 09:11:19 PM
Even that is not true, you know. For one, the system seller deal doesn't seem to be a realistic factor these days. But PS3 games don't even sell to existing PS3 owners. We'll see where the game lands (especially worldwide, given the differences in marketing of the game here and there), but over 300k in a few days seems to be far above the norm.


The software sales are good all things considered, as you said they don't really sell their own software to their own userbase.

I thought there would have been more of a hardware spike though, but then that was the case across other territories too.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 19, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
I could see HOTD and Madworld pulling a nmh/boom blox type of sales pattern. 60kish first month and then steadily accumulating sales until a few months go by and they're at 250kish.  De Blob never charted but it ended up doing well. Wii dev costs are cheap enough to make that a successful number.  They just need good word of mouth.

To play devils advocate, KZ2 was only out for two days.  Why is it not an impressive performance?  Granted I don't think they'll recoup the dev costs for a 4 year dev time.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 09:21:42 PM
Wii dev costs are cheap enough to make that a successful number.  They just need good word of mouth.

This is why unit sales are really irrelevant in a vacuum. You're not getting the value of retail sales, you're assuming all dev costs are equal and all marketing is equal. So Wii third party stuff not charting isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The other thing is that most Wii software isn't front loaded, it's much more constant.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 19, 2009, 09:21:56 PM
IN-DE-STRUCTIBLE
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 19, 2009, 09:28:15 PM
Wii dev costs are cheap enough to make that a successful number.  They just need good word of mouth.

This is why unit sales are really irrelevant in a vacuum. You're not getting the value of retail sales, you're assuming all dev costs are equal and all marketing is equal. So Wii third party stuff not charting isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The other thing is that most Wii software isn't front loaded, it's much more constant.

However Nintendo IS fucked in Japan.  So many bombs.  And I can say that because we get much more complete numbers on a weekly basis.  With supply finally catching up to demand worldwide and the lackluster Japanese performance, 09 is going to be the indicator of whether or not this was a fad all along.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 09:35:26 PM
Nah, the Wii will remain successful. There are enough housewives and kids in the world who still want to buy that thing.
Just don't expect them to buy other games besides the usual Nintendo games and some shitty licenced 3rd party title.

And people still ask why 3rd parties are ignoring the Wii. Why shouldn't they? The vast majority of the Wii demographic doesn't care about gaming in general.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: drew on March 19, 2009, 09:35:57 PM
zzz
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
Yeah, the usual Nintendo, Capcom or Square Enix game.

Even Gamecube had a few 3rd party million sellers, with half the amount of Wii's userbase.

Serious gamers who own a Wii and a next-gen console, rather want their favorite game to be released on the next-gen console instead of the Wii. 3rd parties know that.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Bocsius on March 19, 2009, 09:43:43 PM
Outstanding Nintendo hardware sales, as always. Impressive 360 sales, too. Even PS3 isn't so bad for a last place system. But that last place moniker is sticking.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 19, 2009, 09:44:14 PM
I've seen some Wii titles actually trend UP over time. It's totally bizarre.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 09:47:41 PM
Yeah, the usual Nintendo, Capcom or Square Enix game.

Even Gamecube had a few 3rd party million sellers, with half the amount of Wii's userbase.

Serieus gamers who own a Wii and a next-gen console, rather want a game to be released on the next-gen console instead of the Wii. 3rd parties know that.
Not exactly.

You're actually right. I've looked it up.

But the quality of those good selling 3rd party games is rather depressing. But I guess that's what the Wii crowd wants...
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 09:47:56 PM
Not even close.  This could have been a huge gears style hit had the game been good.

What's up with ridic posts like this?

It's one of the best games of this gen.  Both the campaign and multi-player (especially the MP) are incredible.

Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 09:49:12 PM
KZ2 sales are good, when viewed in the context of KZ2 being an average FPS in a market glutted with FPS and exclusive to a tanking system.

Have you even played the game?  It's anything but average.

I'm quickly realizing that Evilbore is like a more literate version of OA.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 19, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
KZ2 sales are good, when viewed in the context of KZ2 being an average FPS in a market glutted with FPS and exclusive to a tanking system.

Have you even played the game?  It's anything but average.

I'm quickly realizing that Evilbore is like a more literate version of OA.

or maybe that you aren't in touch with reality

you know, the reality where killzone 2 was rejected by gamers, and gow2 outsold it 10:1
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 09:59:10 PM
- High sales don't equal quality.

- It was hardly rejected by gamers.  It sold 323k in about 36 hours of tracking (released on February 27th)

- The controls are great now.  They patched the "controller lag" issue a while ago.

To say that the game sucks or is just "average" is ridiculous.

It's obvious 99% of you who say that already made up your minds on the game before you even played it.  The multi-player is awesome and campaign was balls-to-the-walls action.

Anyway, I expected better from this place for some odd reason.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
Let's stop talking about the shitty Gears 2 and Killzone 2.

Let's talk about WiiFit :bow2
It has outsold both of them....combined.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 19, 2009, 10:01:11 PM

I'm quickly realizing that Evilbore is like a more literate version of OA.

for the most part yeah

our members are limited to one account
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2009, 10:03:54 PM
- High sales don't equal quality.

:lol  :lol :lol :lol :lol

But seriously.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
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To say that the game sucks or is just "average" is ridiculous.

why though?

it's simply another standard single player experience with outstanding graphics.

FPS games with better campaigns and SP are out there. Maybe if a gamer has not played any fps on any non-sony platform, then i can understand the awe.

Feel free to name better shooters this gen.

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- The controls are great now.  They patched the "controller lag" issue a while ago.

i throw back to you the "have you played it?" because the controller lag is still there post patch, not as pronounced but it is still present.
[/quote]

Mountain out of a mole hill.  Gamasutra actually did some tests on this last year and every single game has "controller lag".  It's a complete non-issue now in regards to Killzone 2.  Even the kids on the official forums stopped bitching about it, when it used to fill the entire front page.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 19, 2009, 10:14:21 PM
JUST WAIT GUYS KZ2 IS GOING TO SELL OVER 1 MILLION NEXT MONTH
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: drohne on March 19, 2009, 10:18:51 PM
surprised to see sf4 sales so close across platforms -- 360 version always seems to have more players online. though all the really good players i've run into were on ps3
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: drohne on March 19, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
nah, i can't get a good connection with japanese players and rarely play them. from my srk browsing it seems like more people have gone ps3 over there -- perhaps because it's pretty easy to use ps2 sticks on ps3
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Out of that bunch, I'd say only Half-Life 2 (+episodes) is better than Killzone 2.

I actually thought Killzone 2 would be an adventure fps game like HL(2)
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 10:25:30 PM
Crysis - :lol How's the multi-player?  Have you even played the KZ2 multi-player for more than an hour or something?  What's your PSN ID?  Let me look that shit up.
Crysis Warhead - See above.  I'm sure the campaign is comparable, if not better, but the multi-player is not even in the same league.
STALKER - See above.
STALKER Clear Sky - See above.
COD2 - :lol
COD3 - :lol :lol
COD4 - Killzone 2's campaign is DEFINITELY better.  Multi-player components are about on-par, in my opinion.
COD5 - :lol
Bad Company - Campaign was terrible.  Multi-player is great, but not as good as KZ2's.
Battlefield 2 - When did this come out?  Like 7 years ago?
Half Life 2 - See above.  This is a 2004 game, isn't it? What are you doing, bro?
HL2 Ep 2 - Campaign probably better, sure, but not comparable to KZ2 as a whole.
Frontline - :lol :lol

i am sure there are more. - Hundreds more, definitely.

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Gamasutra actually did some tests on this last year and every single game has "controller lag". 


come on, how many of them displayed the same level of controller lag as in KZ2?
[/quote]

It's a NON-ISSUE now.  They patched it.  Give it a rest.  If the insane kids on the official forums that blow everything out of proportion aren't talking about it anymore, it's not an issue.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 10:27:08 PM
Out of that bunch, I'd say only Half-Life 2 (+episodes) is better than Killzone 2.

Nailed it, save for the multi-player of course.  Only 2 games on his list are up to par, Half-life 2 episodes + COD4's multi-player.  Combine those 2 games and you have a Killzone 2 killer.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: drohne on March 19, 2009, 10:29:44 PM
you couldn't find the Streetfighter stick anywhere for the X360
where as the stores were flooded with PS3 sticks.

this may be because the 360 pad is totally unusable for fighting games -- ds3 sux too, but you can kind of get by with it. people are going nuts for 360 sticks here too, sold my shit old doa stick for A HUNDRED AND TEN DOLLARS :/
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 10:30:13 PM
Out of that bunch, I'd say only Half-Life 2 (+episodes) is better than Killzone 2.

Nailed it, save for the multi-player of course.  Only 2 games on his list are up to par, Half-life 2 episodes + COD4's multi-player.

Yeah, I was only talking about the campaign. It's really hard to trump Half-Life's sp.

Haven't played much KZ2 mp since I didn't have much time to do so. Still have to finish the epic sp first.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 10:32:22 PM
My last couple of replies have a bit too much fire in em.  I'm done in this thread.  Should've known better than to argue with dcharlie, the Emperor Xfag (a term I coined, btw).
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 10:34:46 PM
dcharlie, just fucking can it about KZ2 already. Then: Blah blah the demo was nothing special, but maybe it would be better on a higher difficulty. Now: Blah blah, the game is nothing special, it plays like COD, granted that I'm playing on normal even after whining a ton about that difficulty!* But no, you're totally not trying to distort reality to reflect the myth at all.  :wtf

* Never mind the fact that the enemy behavior and weapons handling is so fundamentally different from COD that it could impossible be like COD even on normal. Although I will admit that there is some entertainment value in that you then, with your proven inability to distinguish one game from another despite their fundamental differences, have the fucking audacity to shit out the "maybe if you haven't played that many shooters" argument. Good one.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Grecco on March 19, 2009, 10:35:37 PM
you couldn't find the Streetfighter stick anywhere for the X360
where as the stores were flooded with PS3 sticks.

this may be because the 360 pad is totally unusable for fighting games -- ds3 sux too, but you can kind of get by with it. people are going nuts for 360 sticks here too, sold my shit old doa stick for A HUNDRED AND TEN DOLLARS :/

you can buy that stick at 39.99 at Gamestop  :lol
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Post by: etiolate on March 19, 2009, 10:36:41 PM
I think that would qualify as a successful reboot for Street Fighter. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 10:39:21 PM
I feel pretty bitter about Street Fighter's succes. Always was a Mortal Kombat fanboy during the 16-bit era.

It's clear who won. :'(

(still haven't touched a SF game after SFII)
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 10:40:16 PM
I feel pretty bitter about Street Fighter's succes. Always was a Mortal Kombat fanboy during the 16-bit era.

It's clear who won. :'(

(still haven't touched a SF game after SFII)

mk vs. dc universe is really good
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Grecco on March 19, 2009, 10:42:07 PM
MK v DC needs DLC characters.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 10:43:28 PM
Yeah, it's definitely better than SFIV.

But MK kinda died after MK3. I still play MK Trilogy from time to time. I own everyone with Kabal and Cyrax :rock
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
And for the record, Crysis owns KZ2. Much like it owns every other shooter out there. It has some blatant shit zones, but the game is just fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2009, 10:49:59 PM
I really should play my copy of Killzone 2 just to see which side of the fight I get to join.  :-X
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Post by: cool breeze on March 19, 2009, 10:52:40 PM
tbh I'm really curious to see where FEAR 2 landed

I thought it was a really fun shooter and would have at least had one of it's iterations on the top 10 since it was on sale for most of the month
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 10:54:51 PM
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dcharlie, just fucking can it about KZ2 already

you know what, i'll do you a deal.
YOU shut the fuck up about KZ2, and so will I.

For every post of mine, we have 10 of yours with your tongue up the games arse or plying defense or attacks on anyone who doesn't think it's amazing.


COD - it's like COD. That's my opinion, you don't like it? then suck my cock.


It's simple : you think i'm full of shit, i think your full of shit.
Let's just stick each other on ignore.




the thing is, it's not like COD at all for the reasons i mentioned in a post the other day in the kz2 thread.  it's a fact, not an opinion or anything.  it's simply not like COD.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 10:57:58 PM
tbh I'm really curious to see where FEAR 2 landed

I thought it was a really fun shooter and would have at least had one of it's iterations on the top 10 since it was on sale for most of the month

The ending was terrible though. But I think I liked FEAR2 more than the original. The first one had pretty boring environments.
Fear2 has some pretty cool spots.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 10:58:38 PM
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dcharlie, just fucking can it about KZ2 already

you know what, i'll do you a deal.
YOU shut the fuck up about KZ2, and so will I.

For every post of mine, we have 10 of yours with your tongue up the games arse or plying defense or attacks on anyone who doesn't think it's amazing.

[removed, uncalled for]

The difference then being that I have so far, in spite of obvious hyperbole, not posted anything that is even remotely as idiotic as "like COD." You couldn't even get your standard asslick brigade to give you a congratulatory rimjob for that argument because it's just too shit. Fall back on your chosen (previously so disliked) difficulty setting, it doesn't actually make the argument any less shit, though, because of how fundamentally different the two games are when it comes to, as you say, gameplay.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Kara on March 19, 2009, 10:59:21 PM
fear 2's ending was HILARIOUS
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 19, 2009, 11:02:25 PM
tbh I'm really curious to see where FEAR 2 landed

I thought it was a really fun shooter and would have at least had one of it's iterations on the top 10 since it was on sale for most of the month

I have seen a lot of ads for the game, but they haven't been terribly good. I think it's pretty hard to market well. Alma may mean something to those who played the first game, but the rest, it's a shooter with some girl in a red dress.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Trent Dole on March 19, 2009, 11:03:25 PM
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/lordsucks.gif)
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 19, 2009, 11:15:44 PM
Quote from: dcharlie link=topic=29226.msg809713#msg809713
Sit behind cover, pop out to take out camped emplacements, deal with suicide runners. Move to next choke point. Hold this point, get on the turret. Repeat.

you've just described 90% of the genre, you idiot.



YOU HOLD A GUN AND CAN TAKE COVER AND THROW NADES AND STUFF, IT'S EXACTLY LIKE COD GUYS

 :-\
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2009, 11:25:08 PM
Leper everyone that posted in this thread
and
Ban Malek!
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2009, 11:30:00 PM
I feel pretty bitter about Street Fighter's succes. Always was a Mortal Kombat fanboy during the 16-bit era.

It's clear who won. :'(

(still haven't touched a SF game after SFII)

If it makes you feel any better, MK vs DC didn't sell much worse than this in its opening month, and while I expect SFIV to pass its totals, I don't think it's going to be by very much.  It's going to have to almost double up on both platforms to pass MK vs DC's LTD.

Er, didn't MK vs. DC do something like 144k in it's first month on the PS3 in November?  I'm using this site (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509) as my reference.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 11:32:46 PM
FEAR2 ending was absolutely terrible, Karakand . Far worse than Halo 2 and Soul Reaver ending.


If it makes you feel any better, MK vs DC didn't sell much worse than this in its opening month, and while I expect SFIV to pass its totals, I don't think it's going to be by very much.  It's going to have to almost double up on both platforms to pass MK vs DC's LTD.

Yes, but Midway is selling MK. The franchise is pretty doomed. :'(
But it depends on who's buying it...
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Third on March 19, 2009, 11:37:33 PM
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FEAR2 ending was absolutely terrible, Karakand . Far worse than Halo 2 and Soul Reaver ending.

haha, this i have to see.


You'll get raped, literally.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 19, 2009, 11:38:40 PM
Crysis - :lol How's the multi-player?  Have you even played the KZ2 multi-player for more than an hour or something?  What's your PSN ID?  Let me look that shit up.
Crysis Warhead - See above.  I'm sure the campaign is comparable, if not better, but the multi-player is not even in the same league.
STALKER - See above.
STALKER Clear Sky - See above.
COD2 - :lol
COD3 - :lol :lol
COD4 - Killzone 2's campaign is DEFINITELY better.  Multi-player components are about on-par, in my opinion.
COD5 - :lol
Bad Company - Campaign was terrible.  Multi-player is great, but not as good as KZ2's.
Battlefield 2 - When did this come out?  Like 7 years ago?
Half Life 2 - See above.  This is a 2004 game, isn't it? What are you doing, bro?
HL2 Ep 2 - Campaign probably better, sure, but not comparable to KZ2 as a whole.
Frontline - :lol :lol

i am sure there are more. - Hundreds more, definitely.

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Gamasutra actually did some tests on this last year and every single game has "controller lag". 


come on, how many of them displayed the same level of controller lag as in KZ2?



Wow @ this post, welcome to my ignore list
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 19, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
Er, didn't MK vs. DC do something like 144k in it's first month on the PS3 in November?  I'm using this site (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509) as my reference.

Unless I'm reading wrong, that site just says LBP finished fourth amongst PS3 software with 141k.  It doesn't say anything about MK vs DC's numbers except to say it's >141k.  Double up is probably a bit strong of wording on my part though.  The two games are at about 1.25m combined.  SFIV is almost certain to pass that, but given how quickly the legs fall out from under HD games this gen, I wouldn't hope for much past that.

Still, a very big success for Capcom.  It's definitely more than I was expecting.

Fair enough.  I just don't remember MK vs. DC doing 800k in it's first month.

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how quickly are games prices dropping in the US?

I'd have thought in the current climate $50-60 games are a bit of a stretch?

Strangely in Japan, a lot of the games prices are going up. SF4 , RE5, star ocean, sony/MS first party etc... all priced up.

Also, where is Halo Wars?

Game prices drop fairly slowly, actually.  You can usually get sales a few weeks after release, but a permanent price drop might take several months.  Also, Halo Wars came out in March.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 19, 2009, 11:48:30 PM
Killzone 2- the only game to ever warrant returning a console  :(

Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dammitmattt on March 20, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
To put this whole "48 hours" thing in perspective, Halo 3 sold about 8-9 times as many copies in 24 hours to a smaller user base.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 20, 2009, 12:50:39 AM
Apparently HOTD didn't do so hot.
: /
If it price collapses that'll be the death knoll for Wii hardcorz.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 20, 2009, 12:51:18 AM
dcharlie

sho nuff

what a couple of epic xfags

seriously, you're pathetic
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 20, 2009, 12:56:05 AM
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you've just described 90% of the genre, you idiot.

yes, the 90% of the average FPS market, which yes - i'm glad we now are on the same page - KZ2 belongs in.

thanks, i knew you'd come round.  :P

and what's the other 10%? half-life 2 and what? crysis' single-player maybe?

man, give it a rest.

what's your psn id?  i want to see your killzone 2 multi-player stats.

people seem to forget that the campaign is like 6 or 7 hours but the multi-player lasts hundreds.  it's that good.  the campaign is just a fraction of the playtime one would have with this game, unless you're anti-social and don't like MP games.  i just got done playing for like 2 hours, and i put 2 hours yesterday, and the day before, and the before that too.  half of OA plays this game every night.

anyway, we all know you made your mind up on this game before even playing it. 

you have such contempt for the playstation brand that you probably took a big sloppy shit on the disc before you inserted it into your ps3.  there's a reason why i gave you the nickname xfag emperor.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Purple Filth on March 20, 2009, 01:01:14 AM
I still think XFE is completely jaded.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:10:28 AM
Damn...360 did way better than I thought it would.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 01:31:38 AM
I called sub-400k.

I think it has a good chance of a strong second month though. But using fucking flops like Uncharted as the bar is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 01:34:09 AM
Hey chowchow- no one is going to care if you fuck right off and go back to oas.  REAL TALK.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 02:30:02 AM
dcharlie, just fucking can it about KZ2 already.

:rofl

dcharlie goes on too much, and it's a shame because he's a good guy.

You're just a shrill distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and you manage to be more caustic than him on the subject of KZ2. And higher volume. Go back to your attitude 3-4 months ago, when everyone was surprised that AltogetherAndrews could become a good poster.


Everyone needs to chill the fuck down on all of this shit, who cares anymore. If everyone took it down a notch then duckman wouldn't have to turn back into AA, dcharlie wouldn't have to push the XFE angle, and Chow Chow could go back to overrating 360 games.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 02:46:27 AM
Just seen the numbers :lol
Killzone 2=Hypezone 2 confirmed

What a disaster,so much money,so much hype and what you get turns out to be a dud.It just confirms that Sony doesn't have a clue what PS3 audience wants,real audience,not the forum hype tards.

As for the bu bu bu only two days,it will be back in March...they never come back,especially in the US

Resi 5 sold almost 300k first day in Japan,where PS3 hasn't even reached 3 mil,PS3 is about 7 mil in US.

Just wait...
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Kara on March 20, 2009, 03:17:48 AM
FEAR2 ending was absolutely terrible, Karakand . Far worse than Halo 2 and Soul Reaver ending.
at least i'll remember it... i don't even remember what happened at the end of halo 2... like space ships or some shit?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 03:20:56 AM
Just a couple of days ago,

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/sony-2009-line-up-is-relentless-aaa


"We feel that Killzone 2 is a tremendous exclusive. It's an exclamation point that demonstrates the distance between the PS3 and other systems. The game is 40GB and could not be done on anything else," he said, which will probably go down well with the 360 fundamentalists.

"It will move people from the sidelines, and from what we've seen from blogs, will push 360 owners to try out the PS3. I think it's going to be a major launch for us and this historical PlayStation brand,"

 :rofl
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Tieno on March 20, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
When was SFIV released?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:48:07 AM
You're just a shrill distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and you manage to be more caustic than him on the subject of KZ2.

Blah blah blah. I'm not the one pushing an argument that is plain fucking wrong. It's not exactly surprising that dcharlie would be "disappointed" in the game (what with having deliberately nerfed the whole thing despite knowing better), but likening it to COD in terms of gameplay is pushing the whole thing into absurdity. Other than, uh, enemy behavior, weapons handling and most other aspects of combat, it's absolutely like COD. I mean, there are enemies, guns and it's a warzone. COD for sure.  :wtf

Oh, and you'd think the guy who admits that he might have played the game on the wrong difficulty would be smart enough to refrain from making flat statements like "it's simply another standard single player experience," but hey.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:10:19 AM
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Blah blah blah. I'm not the one pushing an argument that is plain fucking wrong. It's not exactly surprising that dcharlie would be "disappointed" in the game, but likening it to COD in terms of gameplay is pushing the whole thing into absurdity. Other than, uh, enemy behavior, weapons handling and general gunplay, it's absolutely like COD. I mean, there are enemies, guns and it's a warzone. COD for sure.

It is, i'll keep saying it and you'll keep pissing your pants over it.
Enemy behaviour, as i've pointed out several times ON NORMAL is IDENTICAL to COD (camp and suicide) which i have conceded time and time again is maybe not the way to play the game.

the argument isn't plain wrong, you (like all the other Sfags) have the same issue as always: Every big name PS3 game has to be the best game ever, lest you are a troll.

I'm not the only one on EB that thinks the game is a standard shooter there's been at least 4 other people who feel the same. i'm not even saying it's out and out shite (though some parts are), just that the whole thing on my play through feels like COD.

But for you panty wetting cock masters it's like i've dug up all your dead relatives and spunked in their eye sockets.

I'm sorry i wasn't turned on by Kz2 like GG expected me to as an xfag....

It's not going anywhere really, but it doesn't have to. I mean, you're wrong about the COD shit, and you're sticking to your guns. Good for you, I suppose? :wtf  Even on normal, enemies show more tactical abilities and variety than COD grunts. You may manage to shoot your way through them easy, but it's not COD enemies you are fighting.

But hey, even if we then pretend that on normal, enemies suddenly change behavior model from tactics to zombie on fire action, if you're conceding that higher difficulty might change the experience, then where do you get off arguing that it's just that standard FPS and that everyone else (read: sfags, right?) are wrong? It's weird enough that you'd even pick that difficulty after your bitching about it earlier, but I guess as long as it can produce a rant on "sfags," you have gotten your value out of it. I guess that's sort of a game too.

And for the record, throughout playing KZ2 I kept wishing it was on 360 simply because I had a broken PS3 and a working 360. So do fuck off with the console warrior shit.
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Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:23:02 AM
There are instances of it, absolutely. But there is a fucking chasm between that and claiming that it's a gamewide deal. COD enemies barely ever bunker down, unless there is a designated bunker for them to do so in. Enemies in KZ2 are plenty more dynamic than that, moving from cover positions and reacting to the level of suppression. I feel that you're either attributing some qualities to COD that the series hasn't earned, or you're selling KZ2 short. I will concede that the decreased difficulty would probably alter how much it affects you or how much you have to utilize cover, but the behavior is still there. So hey, maybe it is standard FPS to you, but I don't see how you can claim that this is some general truth about the game and that the sfags are horrible fanboys for praising the game.

And if I got paid by the post for a Killzone 2 assignment, I'd be on a cushy vacation right now.  :P


edit: If the World at War demo is anything like the full game, then you're even crazier than I had thought. The game has fucking banzai enemies!  :lol
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:35:06 AM
I have yet to play a COD game in which the enemy reacts to the level of suppression, and moves naturally from one point of cover to the next based on threat level and your position. If 3 and 5 have that, then hey, I'll have to check them out. But COD 5 has banzai enemies, what in the hell is wrong with this developer? On the upside, the flamethrower was even more disturbing than the one in KZ2.

By the way, we've had this problem before, so to clarify. When I say "bunker," I mean using any point of cover wisely. Not hiding in a fortified position (which they also do from time to time, and those were absolutely the most boring points of the game).
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 04:52:54 AM
Above the norm, but not "making people buy x console" status. You know, like Gears of War or RE5
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Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:53:03 AM
The cylinders are around, but they aren't as blatantly placed. I'd accidentally ignite them in later levels, which made for fun spectacles but not exactly tactical advantages.

As for the level design, I was moderately disappointed in the second section (visari square being made all the worse from Guerrilla's weird decision to put that unfortunate line of VA in the game, something to the effect of "are we done yet?"), but it went upwards from there on, with the peak of the whole game being the Suljeva and spaceship skirmishes. I guess the fighting leading up to the palace was pretty good, but I'm old enough where 6 hours of nothing but combat is more than enough to give me shooter fatigue. I need an RTS setting to deal with more explosions than that.

Above the norm, but not "making people buy x console" status. You know, like Gears of War or RE5


I don't think any one game is going to sell a system that is significantly more expensive than competing systems. Well, maybe Halo or an exclusive GTA could. But a sequel to a less than awesome game?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 20, 2009, 07:53:10 AM
Chow Chow destroyed...
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 20, 2009, 09:39:01 AM
How is it like COD3 and 5 and not 4?  I like how you cleverly left that out.  If it's like COD3/5, then it's also like 4 because they all play the same.

You already made your mind up about this game before it even dropped.

And no, it's really not like COD3/4/5 at all.

1.  There's a sense of weight and realism to the movement and gunplay, while COD is extremely twitchy.  I've read forum posts at other boards where the guy tried COD4 immediately after playing KZ2 and it felt like he was controlling a spaz, the controls felt totally different.  But let's ignore that, it's like COD!

2.  The enemies take way more bullets to drop than in the COD campaigns.  But let's ignore that, it's like COD!

3.  There's a 1st person cover system that you use extensively.  I used it just as much as I used the cover in Gears.  But let's ignore that, it's like COD!

4.  The AI is tons better.  But let's ignore that, it's like COD!

5.  There's only 1 or 2 instances of infinitely respawning enemies compared to the entire COD campaigns being filled with them.  But let's ignore that, it's like COD!

6.  If Killzone 2 is like COD, then so is Halo 3, Gears of War 2, and any other shooter that uses the take cover and shoot mechanic. 

If you didn't use such broad strokes to paint your thinly veiled fanboy argument, you'd realize t's nothing like COD save for it being in the same genre.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on March 20, 2009, 09:41:58 AM
Chow Chow bleeding from the nose...
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 20, 2009, 09:43:43 AM
Lay off the shaft?  I cut you deep with that rant the other day, didn't I?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 20, 2009, 09:46:34 AM
Poor Chow Chow. All alone. Ps3 is your friend.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dark1x on March 20, 2009, 10:06:40 AM
Why can't everyone join together and bash the shit out of the Wii instead?  People trash talk the PS3 as if it were in the lead or something.  Unlike the Wii, the PS3 is NOT a threat to your way of gaming. 
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 20, 2009, 10:10:15 AM
Unlike the Wii, the PS3 is NOT a threat to your way of gaming. 

Wii is here to save us. It has already saved me.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dark1x on March 20, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
Unlike the Wii, the PS3 is NOT a threat to your way of gaming. 

Wii is here to save us. It has already saved me.
Save you from what?  Good games?

I suppose it could be argued that the Wii would have a positive impact on your bank account, however, as there is very little software worth spending money on.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 20, 2009, 10:20:13 AM
COD3 is better than KZ2. The gun mechanics are far superior.

:rofl
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 20, 2009, 10:22:21 AM
Why can't everyone join together and bash the shit out of the Wii instead?  People trash talk the PS3 as if it were in the lead or something.  Unlike the Wii, the PS3 is NOT a threat to your way of gaming. 

Wii isn't affecting anything except Nintendo's balance sheet.  PS360 owners are still getting a flood of awesome games.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: CHOW CHOW on March 20, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
wii fit, mario kart, wii oil painting, wii shiskebobing all demolish cod3's sales!  must be better games!

pow!

Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 10:37:01 AM
I don't like Wii,but i fail to see how is Wii destroying "gaming",whatever that means.
FPS are still made like there is no tomorrow,you can find other genres easily on different platforms.

The only thing that will destroy "gaming" is focus on distinguished mentally-challenged "multiplayer" experience.

Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dammitmattt on March 20, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
I don't like Wii,but i fail to see how is Wii destroying "gaming",whatever that means.
FPS are still made like there is no tomorrow,you can find other genres easily on different platforms.

The only thing that will destroy "gaming" is focus on distinguished mentally-challenged "multiplayer" experience.

Gaming is more popular than ever BECAUSE of the social aspect.

Not everyone wants to sit in their dungeon of a bedroom in their parents house and play JRPGs by themselves all day and all night.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 10:58:42 AM
O really?

I thought that gaming was more popular because of Wii :D

Btw,consoles had social aspect long before online was invented.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Bocsius on March 20, 2009, 10:59:30 AM
I don't like Wii,but i fail to see how is Wii destroying "gaming",whatever that means.
FPS are still made like there is no tomorrow,you can find other genres easily on different platforms.

The only thing that will destroy "gaming" is focus on distinguished mentally-challenged "multiplayer" experience.

Gaming is more popular than ever BECAUSE of the social aspect.

Not everyone wants to sit in their dungeon of a bedroom in their parents house and play JRPGs by themselves all day and all night.

So what you're saying is that it takes all kinds. Some people like multi, some single, some Wii, some 360, some PS3. And somehow this crazy world keeps right on spinning. I'm glad we finally reached this understanding at long last.

:piss Arguing over video games. :piss2
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: tiesto on March 20, 2009, 11:06:45 AM
O really?

I thought that gaming was more popular because of Wii :D

Btw,consoles had social aspect long before online was invented.

In person social >>>>>>>> online social. Nintendo has that much right, at least.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dark1x on March 20, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
I don't like Wii,but i fail to see how is Wii destroying "gaming",whatever that means.
FPS are still made like there is no tomorrow,you can find other genres easily on different platforms.

The only thing that will destroy "gaming" is focus on distinguished mentally-challenged "multiplayer" experience.

Gaming is more popular than ever BECAUSE of the social aspect.

Not everyone wants to sit in their dungeon of a bedroom in their parents house and play JRPGs by themselves all day and all night.
Actually, I hate online gaming for just that reason.  I much prefer social multiplayer gaming, but many of the Wii games simply aren't good enough to be worthwhile even in those situations.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 11:23:07 AM
O really?

I thought that gaming was more popular because of Wii :D

Btw,consoles had social aspect long before online was invented.

In person social >>>>>>>> online social. Nintendo has that much right, at least.

Yes i agree,imo in person social aspect is a key defining console feature,something that really sets consoles and PCs apart.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
You're just a shrill distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and you manage to be more caustic than him on the subject of KZ2.

Blah blah blah. I'm not the one pushing an argument that is plain fucking wrong. It's not exactly surprising that dcharlie would be "disappointed" in the game (what with having deliberately nerfed the whole thing despite knowing better), but likening it to COD in terms of gameplay is pushing the whole thing into absurdity. Other than, uh, enemy behavior, weapons handling and most other aspects of combat, it's absolutely like COD. I mean, there are enemies, guns and it's a warzone. COD for sure.  :wtf

Oh, and you'd think the guy who admits that he might have played the game on the wrong difficulty would be smart enough to refrain from making flat statements like "it's simply another standard single player experience," but hey.

Please, please, stop saying stupid shit like that. It is soooo fucking stupid and you say it about everything you disagree with, every time, like a 9 year old.

And we all get the idea that dcharlie might be going into this game with a chip on his shoulder, he made that perfectly clear on his own and it doesn't need to be hammered home 14 times per page.  We also heard everything you had to say about whether or not it is like CoD (it is, a little bit!) and your opinions on dcharlie's sabotage of his own fun (which is distinguished mentally-challenged again). dcharlie handily admits that his judgments are only on the normal difficulty and they could change when he has time to play others. But I guarantee you that he's already said that by the time I've made this post lol

It's literally the exact same shit over and over again.



edit - I just remembered, you sold the game back. :rofl
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 01:33:55 PM
Blah blah blah

We've already moved past this. If you can't keep up, then just drop out. Although it is somewhat amusing to see you constantly fly the flag of your alliance, never mind what dodgy ass arguments it happens to push. Onward for the alliance, against all reason! And on that note, seeing as how your buddy here certainly isn't a stranger to using harsh language, painting stuff with a mighty broad brush and hammering things straight through the plank, you can go ahead and can this fucking sensitivity act already.

"dcharlie handily admits that his judgments are only on the normal difficulty and they could change when he has time to play others."

Alright, so these flat statements regarding the game's quality and obviously the wrongness of its supporters, those were probably a bit ill advised then?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 20, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
O really?

I thought that gaming was more popular because of Wii :D

Btw,consoles had social aspect long before online was invented.

In person social >>>>>>>> online social. Nintendo has that much right, at least.

Except when you're king shit like I am, whats the point of playing with other people locally? Online > Local
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 01:40:14 PM
edit - I just remembered, you sold the game back. :rofl

Yeah, I sold the game. I'm assuming there is some debate point of immense value to that statement, what with that emoticon and all, but I'm not sure what it is supposed to be.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 20, 2009, 01:43:07 PM
O really?

I thought that gaming was more popular because of Wii :D

Btw,consoles had social aspect long before online was invented.

In person social >>>>>>>> online social. Nintendo has that much right, at least.

Except when you're king shit like I am, whats the point of playing with other people locally? Online > Local

To play with friends?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 01:44:32 PM
Hey dude I haven't read the forum since yesterday, I clicked newest post and saw that.

I don't know how you can call my posts in this topic allied with dcharlie's. But I also don't know how you can call everyone JUST PLAIN WRONG about stuff like input lag only to drop that line completely once GG admits it's an error and patches it.

I think I already made it clear that dcharlie's sending-up of his XFE tag is tiring. But again he is otherwise a good poster and doesn't spampost like you do. He's certainly old enough to avoid the "I am only arguing because you are completely wrong and I am completely right" thing.

And I just think it's funny that you managed to make a dozen or so posts in this topic before dcharlie even showed up, and then continued your vitriolic defense of the game, when it wasn't even worth leaving it on your shelf.



I don't even care if you must be the pro-KZ2 guy on the forum, that's fine, everyone has their game. But you can cut your number of posts in half and stop repeating the same shit over and over, and you can at least own the game you choose to defend. But the real reason I quoted your post was the line I bolded, which is completely distinguished mentally-challenged and really representative of the AA behavior that everyone dreaded when you signed up here. You had a good stretch of time after your arrival where you could be pro-Sony and MS-critical without being a caustic spamposting asshole at all times, but that has changed in the last few months and it makes too many topics here unreadable. I don't need to get back into the minutiae of your arguments with dcharlie, which you clearly love repeating.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 01:55:28 PM
I take issue with the COD statement, it's that simple. I also think it's enjoyable to harangue someone over choices made that would, based on their preferences, affect the game's value, at least when they go on their crusades about what a game is or is not.

And yes, I'm certainly going to comment on your alliance shit when you can regularly completely bypass the stupidity of arguments made by others for the sake of homing in on me. It's pretty fucking transparent.

As for me selling the game, few games are "worth" the shelf space in these times.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 01:58:33 PM
It plays closer to Gears than CoD but it's not completely beyond such a comparison. There are certainly segments of the campaign that play a whole lot like CoD. I don't think it's completely stupid to say this is something like CoD, especially on normal.

I home in on you, again, because you are a caustic asshole. At all times. If it was only sometimes then you'd be just like everyone else. And you spampost to try to flood out the opinions of others, which breaks down the whole purpose of a message board.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 02:02:46 PM
But the real reason I quoted your post was the line I bolded, which is completely distinguished mentally-challenged and really representative of the AA behavior that everyone dreaded when you signed up here. You had a good stretch of time after your arrival where you could be pro-Sony and MS-critical without being a caustic spamposting asshole at all times, but that has changed in the last few months and it makes too many topics here unreadable.

Get off that fucking pulpit already, shitdiver. Should I dig up some posts made by these excellent posters where they gave me shit after I claimed that I disliked the PS2 and considered the Xbox to be a vastly superior, even after I detailed why that was the case? These calls for civility and reason tend to be made only when the alliance is under attack, so do fuck off with that shit.

It plays closer to Gears than CoD but it's not completely beyond such a comparison. There are certainly segments of the campaign that play a whole lot like CoD. I don't think it's completely stupid to say this is something like CoD, especially on normal.

So would you say that the combination of enemy behavior and gunplay makes it like COD, and effectively turns the whole game into a standard shooter with gameplay like COD3?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
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If it was only sometimes then you'd be just like everyone else.

can also mean

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everyone else does this sometimes, but you do it all the time


I like Killzone 2, A LOT. I like every level of campaign except the last one, and I love the multplayer. Where does that fit in with my ally dcharlie ???
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 02:06:04 PM
So this is now Duck vs World fight :lol

There is something better to discuss

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/03/20/sony-now-charging-publishers-for-ps3-downloadable-content/


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That situation changed with the PS3 on October 1 of last year, when Sony implemented a 16 cents per Gigabyte fee to publishers for paid and free downloadable content, according to publishing sources familiar with Sony’s policy.Game publishers are not happy about it.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 20, 2009, 02:07:16 PM
O really?

I thought that gaming was more popular because of Wii :D

Btw,consoles had social aspect long before online was invented.

In person social >>>>>>>> online social. Nintendo has that much right, at least.

Except when you're king shit like I am, whats the point of playing with other people locally? Online > Local

To play with friends?

Right, I don't think you understand. I am awesome. They suck. Why do I want to play with people who suck? When you play SF4 with someone who sucks - do you intentionally lower your game to even the playing field?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
I like Killzone 2, A LOT. I like every level of campaign except the last one, and I love the multplayer. Where does that fit in with my ally dcharlie ???

That's exactly what makes it such a cute little alliance. You know the dude is fishing in the wild with many of his claims, but you will still buddy up because hey, he's arguing with me. It's cute, in a nauseating way. Hell, you even bitch at me for making broad claims of what's wrong vs what is right, despite your buddy doing the exact same thing a few pages back. Go alliance.

Maybe you'll be able to get behind a successful game one day Duck. You shoulda learned from HAZE.

Ah yes, another great moment for the grand reason squad. How many fucking times have you mongos dropped that old, used and abused lady to fight a final desperate battle in arguments? Go you.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dark1x on March 20, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
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And we all get the idea that dcharlie might be going into this game with a chip on his shoulder
Heh, what baffles me is why the fuck anyone would want to play a game with such a negative attitude.  It just doesn't make any sense.

It seems like a waste of time and money.  

I can see some appeal in getting into these heated arguments over random bullshit.  I've certainly engaged in some of that myself, after all.  To play a game with the sole intention of posting an "I told you so" argument on a message board, though?  That just seems a bit extreme.

Unfortunately, as of late, the bore is making neogaf actually look civil.  The best reason to visit this place is to read demi's posts.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 20, 2009, 02:12:17 PM
"That situation changed with the PS3 on October 1 of last year, when Sony implemented a 16 cents per Gigabyte fee to publishers for paid and free downloadable content, according to publishing sources familiar with Sony’s policy.Game publishers are not happy about it."

WOW.

Demo @ 1GB x 500,000 worldwide downloads x $.16 = $80,000  :-\
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
I like Killzone 2, A LOT. I like every level of campaign except the last one, and I love the multplayer. Where does that fit in with my ally dcharlie ???

That's exactly what makes it such a cute little alliance. You know the dude is fishing in the wild with many of his claims, but you will still buddy up because hey, he's arguing with me. It's cute, in a nauseating way. Hell, you even bitch at me for making broad claims of what's wrong vs what is right, despite your buddy doing the exact same thing a few pages back. Go alliance.


I don't think the game is EXACTLY like CoD like he does. But it is somewhat like CoD, and it's stupid to get irate when someone points that out. Especially 50x per topic, copy pasted.

I don't know what other claims he's really made except that the campaign is not among the best ever released in an FPS. I had fun with the campaign but it doesn't feel like top-shelf material to me. Uh oh I'm a fanboy now, uh oh.

He can be right, he can be wrong, but his opinion (and others') shouldn't be completely stamped out by a one-man thread wrecking crew.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 02:17:06 PM
I don't know what other claims he's really made except that the campaign is not among the best ever released in an FPS. I had fun with the campaign but it doesn't feel like top-shelf material to me. Uh oh I'm a fanboy now, uh oh.

How about that oh so horrible method of making broad claims about who is right and who is wrong? You can find those on page 2 of this thread. But watch out, it might upset you, what with you being so sensitive to such god awful methods. As said, this little sensitivity act of yours seems less than sincere. You are allowing your dislike of me to cloud your judgment, and that just can't be healthy.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
dcharlie posts half as much as you. This is about your vitriolic spamposting and fire and brimstone directed at EB users, not his one-off GAF rants directed at people who aren't even present. Or a fight with Chow Chow, who is the #1 dude on this forum when it comes to living up to a silly reputation. Just think about what I'm saying to you and maybe you can relax.

And I didn't used to dislike you, I was one of the people giving you the benefit of the doubt when you joined up here. Remember, I didn't tell anyone that you were AA because I didn't think your GAF persona was the same way you would post at a better forum. I think you became disillusioned with this place so now you're going back to that territory.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2009, 02:27:11 PM
"That situation changed with the PS3 on October 1 of last year, when Sony implemented a 16 cents per Gigabyte fee to publishers for paid and free downloadable content, according to publishing sources familiar with Sony’s policy.Game publishers are not happy about it."

WOW.

Demo @ 1GB x 500,000 worldwide downloads x $.16 = $80,000  :-\

Hey,its better than nothing...
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Wait, that includes demos? So stupid



edit:

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For free content, like demos, those charges apply only during the first 60 days of the content’s release. For paid content, like map packs, the charges rack up in perpetuity, or until that content is removed from the PlayStation 3’s online store.

Still distinguished mentally-challenged. bobobobo there's no reason to pay for XBL
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 20, 2009, 02:31:20 PM
$80,000 is the yearly salary for some employees at studios. Sho Nuff is just exaggerating.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 02:40:47 PM
And I didn't used to dislike you, I was one of the people giving you the benefit of the doubt when you joined up here. Remember, I didn't tell anyone that you were AA because I didn't think your GAF persona was the same way you would post at a better forum. I think you became disillusioned with this place so now you're going back to that territory.

The most remarkable thing about this is that you brought this shit back from its grave today, apparently looking for an argument. Talk about reverting to NeoGAF standards, eh? Next time, just be straight about your intentions and you might just be able to crusade on without clumsily trying to nail me on offenses that your own buddies are amply guilty of. Or you could bug off and let things play themselves out. Both me and dcharlie are reasonable people somewhere deep within, things usually fizzle out, probably faster without mediators.


As for the ongoing discussion, I'm surprised we haven't heard about this before. I suppose Sony isn't in a position to eat any costs right now, but putting extra weight on publishers doesn't seem very smart, given their position.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 02:49:05 PM
That is pretty bad. But then on the other hand, if it's per download, a higher tab would be accompanied by a higher sales number. It's a cream cake with a turd rose.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 02:51:10 PM
It does explain quite a bit. I suppose I always wondered who paid for the bandwidth, but I (foolishly, apparently) assumed that Sony ate those bills. So these rare timed exclusive demos, those agreements would probably include the platform company taking on the bandwidth costs then?

edit: I can't actually recall any of those being exclusive to the PS3, so hey.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
I doubt the PSN will remain free for very long, and Sony has gone back on so many proclaimed standards that people are probably expecting that to change to. The biggest problem with charging for it is that the service then has to be worth the price, meaning more content and more features. I like PSN, it's good enough for my type of online gaming, but it's basically what I would expect from a PC service, which I also wouldn't pay for.

Worse than any of this is the boneheaded decision to charge for LBP dlc, even fucking costumes. It's a low cost, but the fact that there is a cost at all is going to turn a ton of people off right away. Using actual currency probably wasn't the smartest decision, either.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 03:04:51 PM
HOME will change everything.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
HOME.
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Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
Maybe a premium subscription service, without the attached "magazine?" I think people would be more willing to buy a subscription if it ensured a steady flow of game demos and maybe a certain amount of movies per subscription period. It would be a horrible thing for everyone, but barring making the PSN itself subscription based, that's the only thing I could see them doing. Well, other than staying the course and pissing off publishers.

I wonder how much they sunk into the development of Home?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 03:11:43 PM
actually, fuck it, he's clueless. I wouldn't want to have another half-hour old 'revival'
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
I said over and over again that I didn't want to have the same fight you had already had, but wanted to talk about your own behavior instead. Not clear enough for you?

I know you are trying to talk about my behavior because lord knows you rarely talk about anything else, but it all rings so fucking false when you're trying to nail me on my supposedly poor behavior, while standing up for/turning a blind eye to very similar behavior in others. And it's all in an effort to keep the argumentative flame burning. As said, this feels more like a NeoGAF argument than anything else, so fuck off already.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:25:23 PM
Why the fuck are you guys still arguing? jesus christ.

True, we wouldn't want to disrupt the circle Homejobs
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:28:10 PM
The icon is sitting there, but I haven't been able to bring myself to install it. I genuinely do not understand Home, but then I also don't get MMOs or virtual reality communities. I'm also still wondering how much went into the development of this application. I'd guess that maybe my kid would think it was fun to run around with an avatar like that, but I'm not setting a 4-year old free in that shitpit.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: dark1x on March 20, 2009, 03:33:01 PM
The icon is sitting there, but I haven't been able to bring myself to install it. I genuinely do not understand Home, but then I also don't get MMOs or virtual reality communities. I'm also still wondering how much went into the development of this application.

Whatever they put in to it, it was too much. But you should install it just to see if people are actually still using it or not. But from the lack of anything related to it in the news at all, I'm assume its pretty much dead at this point.
What a terrible terrible idea Home ended up being.  I knew it wouldn't work from the beginning and it was worse than expected.  At least Little Big Planet was a resounding success (in terms of quality).
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: archie4208 on March 20, 2009, 03:33:58 PM
http://www.edge-online.com/news/house-dead-overkill-sells-45k

Bububu 3rd parties do just fine on Wii!!!
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 20, 2009, 03:39:40 PM
We are way too old for this shit.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 03:41:45 PM
I think the Wii has more or less hit its drop off point in terms of hard core gamers. GAF still has its Nintards, who probably don't even touch the system anymore, but other than that, its just become a Karaoke machine.

The Wii does have the best game ever, though. And maybe one day it will have another game that is just as good. Or hell, another game that is good. Not that there is much incentive for Nintendo to try, mind you.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
I said over and over again that I didn't want to have the same fight you had already had, but wanted to talk about your own behavior instead. Not clear enough for you?

I know you are trying to talk about my behavior because lord knows you rarely talk about anything else, but it all rings so fucking false when you're trying to nail me on my supposedly poor behavior, while standing up for/turning a blind eye to very similar behavior in others. And it's all in an effort to keep the argumentative flame burning. As said, this feels more like a NeoGAF argument than anything else, so fuck off already.


...I edited that whole post out 11 minutes before you responded to it you dumbfuck. And then you still only took a fragment from it. My first post today was like 8 hours away from dcharlies last post on the subject, so I don't know how any of it qualifies as a revival. 90% of your posts are limited to topics relating to your pet issues, and you prowl them like a junkyard dog waiting for someone to attack. I'm asking you to shut the fuck up. dcharlie makes real posts in real topics alongside his Sfag bait.

Hey look my ally dcharlie is mad at me for what I said in reference to him, that's impossible.

I didn't say you bought it to troll it dcharlie, I said that you went into it with a chip on your shoulder. You went into it with a critical eye, didn't you? I sure did. And I think the SP is just a cut above average too, so.

This is what I'm talking about, the battle lines being drawn on this site all the time. The temperature is way too hot in certain topics, which gets annoying when you actually want to have a frank discussion about that game or issue.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: demi on March 20, 2009, 04:11:10 PM
I'll leave it open for today, let it all out before then

Lames

My 360  :'(
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:13:20 PM
I said over and over again that I didn't want to have the same fight you had already had, but wanted to talk about your own behavior instead. Not clear enough for you?

I know you are trying to talk about my behavior because lord knows you rarely talk about anything else, but it all rings so fucking false when you're trying to nail me on my supposedly poor behavior, while standing up for/turning a blind eye to very similar behavior in others. And it's all in an effort to keep the argumentative flame burning. As said, this feels more like a NeoGAF argument than anything else, so fuck off already.


...I edited that whole post out 11 minutes before you responded to it you dumbfuck. And then you still only took a fragment from it. My first post today was like 8 hours away from dcharlies last post on the subject, so I don't know how any of it qualifies as a revival. 90% of your posts are limited to topics relating to your pet issues, and you prowl them like a junkyard dog waiting for someone to attack. I'm asking you to shut the fuck up.

Hey nitwit, I've been talking about Home and online services for a while here. Try to control that GAF revival spirit of yours and stay on topic, would you?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 04:14:11 PM
I said over and over again that I didn't want to have the same fight you had already had, but wanted to talk about your own behavior instead. Not clear enough for you?

I know you are trying to talk about my behavior because lord knows you rarely talk about anything else, but it all rings so fucking false when you're trying to nail me on my supposedly poor behavior, while standing up for/turning a blind eye to very similar behavior in others. And it's all in an effort to keep the argumentative flame burning. As said, this feels more like a NeoGAF argument than anything else, so fuck off already.


...I edited that whole post out 11 minutes before you responded to it you dumbfuck. And then you still only took a fragment from it. My first post today was like 8 hours away from dcharlies last post on the subject, so I don't know how any of it qualifies as a revival. 90% of your posts are limited to topics relating to your pet issues, and you prowl them like a junkyard dog waiting for someone to attack. I'm asking you to shut the fuck up.

Hey nitwit, I've been talking about Home and online services for a while here. Try to control that GAF revival spirit of yours and stay on topic, would you?


Which is exactly what you did at the top of the page man. You responded to a post that I'd completely deleted already.

You skipped over a solid hour of people talking about Sony DLC fees lol. I'm done, feel free to nab the last word 2 hours from now.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:18:32 PM
Which is exactly what you did at the top of the page man. You responded to a post that I'd completely deleted already.

Again, we have been talking about other shit for some time here, but you seem insistent on keeping it neat and GAF. Good thing we have your slow ass to guard the integrity of discussion around here.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:25:58 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hlrAC_92oBA/ScJ7uuIH4wI/AAAAAAAAB24/MGxa9KFNDEA/s400/ricky88.jpg)

Is that the kid from Jesus Camp?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 04:28:23 PM
haven't seen it yet.

You probably shouldn't. It's good, but it's pretty damned troubling. Although I think it bothered the wife more than it bothered me, since she's sort of Christian. I learned that Christians like mullets.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Oblivion on March 20, 2009, 06:43:06 PM
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10. WII TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS

Top 10 Xbox 360

1. 360 STREET FIGHTER IV* CAPCOM USA
2. 360 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
3. 360 F.E.A.R. 2: PROJECT ORIGIN WARNER INTERACTIVE
4. 360 SKATE 2 ELECTRONIC ARTS
5. 360 LEFT 4 DEAD ELECTRONIC ARTS
6. 360 NBA 2K9 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
7. 360 HALO 3* MICROSOFT
8. 360 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
9. 360 FALLOUT 3* BETHESDA SOFTWORKS
10. 360 GEARS OF WAR 2* MICROSOFT

Top 10 PlayStation 2

1. PS2 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
2. PS2 NBA 2K9 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
3. PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO: SAN ANDREAS TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
4. PS2 GUITAR HERO AEROSMITH* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
5. PS2 MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS
6. PS2 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
7. PS2 RESIDENT EVIL 4 CAPCOM USA
8. PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS RE: CHAIN OF MEMORIES SQUARE ENIX INC
9. PS2 WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2009 THQ
10. PS2 LEGO BATMAN WARNER INTERACTIVE

Top 10 PlayStation 3

1. PS3 STREET FIGHTER IV* CAPCOM USA
2. PS3 KILLZONE 2 SONY
3. PS3 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
4. PS3 F.E.A.R. 2: PROJECT ORIGIN WARNER INTERACTIVE
5. PS3 GUITAR HERO III LEGENDS OF ROCK ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
6. PS3 GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR* ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
7. PS3 SONIC'S ULTIMATE GENESIS COLLECTION SEGA OF AMERICA
8. PS3 NBA 2K9 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
9. PS3 RESISTANCE 2* SONY
10. PS3 MORTAL KOMBAT VS. DC UNIVERSE* MIDWAY

Top 10 Game Boy Advance

1. GBA UNO 52 DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
2. GBA SHREK 2/MADAGASCAR OPERATION PEN ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
3. GBA BIG MUTHA TRUCKERS DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
4. GBA PUPPY LUV: SPA & RESORT ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
5. GBA MADAGASCAR ACTIVISION BLIZZARD
6. GBA ASTEROIDS/PONG/YARS DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
7. GBA DRILL DOZER NINTENDO OF AMERICA
8. GBA GOLDEN NUGGET CASINO MAJESCO
9. GBA SPYHUNTER/SUPERSPRINT DESTINATION SOFTWARE INC.
10. GBA VAN HELSING ACTIVISION BLIZZARD

Top 10 Nintendo DS

1. NDS MARIO KART DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
2. NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
3. NDS CLUB PENGUIN: ELITE PENGUIN FORCE DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
4. NDS LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA LUCASARTS
5. NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
6. NDS FIRE EMBLEM: SHADOW DRAGON NINTENDO OF AMERICA
7. NDS MARIO PARTY NINTENDO OF AMERICA
8. NDS KIRBY SUPER STAR ULTRA NINTENDO OF AMERICA
9. NDS POKEMON RANGER: SHADOWS OF ALMIA NINTENDO OF AMERICA
10. NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A DAY NINTENDO OF AMERICA

Top 10 PSP

1. PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
2. PSP MIDNIGHT CLUB: LA REMIX TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
3. PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE CITY STORIES TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
4. PSP IRON MAN SEGA OF AMERICA
5. PSP LOCOROCO 2 SONY
6. PSP MADDEN NFL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS
7. PSP WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2008 THQ
8. PSP LEGO BATMAN WARNER INTERACTIVE
9. PSP WWE SMACKDOWN VS. RAW 2009 THQ
10. PSP CRISIS CORE: FINAL FANTASY VII SQUARE ENIX INC

Top 10 Portable Games Overall

1. NDS MARIO KART DS NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
2. NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
3. NDS CLUB PENGUIN: ELITE PENGUIN FORCE NDS DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
4. NDS LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA NDS LUCASARTS
5. NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
6. NDS FIRE EMBLEM: SHADOW DRAGON NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
7. NDS MARIO PARTY NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
8. NDS KIRBY SUPER STAR ULTRA NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
9. NDS POKEMON RANGER: SHADOWS OF ALMIA NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
10. NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A DAY NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA

Top 10 Accessories

1. WII NUNCHUK CONTROLLER NINTENDO OF AMERICA
2. WII REMOTE CONTROLLER W/ JACKET NINTENDO OF AMERICA
3. PS3 DUALSHOCK 3 WIRELESS CONTROLLER SONY
4. 360 LIVE 1600 POINT GAME CARD MICROSOFT
5. 360 LIVE 1 MONTH GOLD CARD MICROSOFT
6. 360 LIVE 12 MONTH GOLD CARD MICROSOFT
7. WII REMOTE CONTROLLER NINTENDO OF AMERICA
8. WII CHARGE STATION NYKO
9. WII WHEEL GRIP NINTENDO OF AMERICA
10. 360 HEADSET MICROSOFT

*Inclusive of collectors', limited, instrument bundles

http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/03/february-2009s.html
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: tiesto on March 20, 2009, 07:07:14 PM
No DQ5 on the DS chart either :( America has the worst taste.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 20, 2009, 08:06:53 PM
:bow Jillian Michaels Fitness Ultimatum :bow2

Third parties know what the fuck is up is up with Wii.  Garbagetime.

That game will probably sell over a million copies eventually
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 08:08:40 PM
Is there any evidence that WiiFit does in fact work as a fitness program? I know that America is in a constant fitness craze, but god damn.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 20, 2009, 08:11:58 PM
it's probably just like every other piece of dust-gathering home workout equipment in our nation's closets
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2009, 08:14:12 PM
wtf @ Halo 3

I guess LBP is done.

And what the fuck is Nascar Kart Racing
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 20, 2009, 08:14:57 PM
big-headed rednecks waggling around like mario
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 20, 2009, 08:24:26 PM
it's probably just like every other piece of dust-gathering home workout equipment in our nation's closets

True, but it keeps selling. Given the word of mouth power of everything that has to do with this system, you'd think there would be some kind of slump.

wtf @ Halo 3

I guess LBP is done.

And what the fuck is Nascar Kart Racing

Halo 3 is making a come back.

The highest profile game available for a now reasonably priced system, it should stick around for a while.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Purple Filth on March 20, 2009, 08:33:39 PM
Quote
Top 10 Portable Games Overall

1. NDS MARIO KART DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
2. NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
3. NDS CLUB PENGUIN: ELITE PENGUIN FORCE DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS
4. NDS LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA LUCASARTS
5. NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS NINTENDO OF AMERICA
6. NDS FIRE EMBLEM: SHADOW DRAGON NINTENDO OF AMERICA
7. NDS MARIO PARTY NINTENDO OF AMERICA
8. NDS KIRBY SUPER STAR ULTRA NINTENDO OF AMERICA
9. NDS POKEMON RANGER: SHADOWS OF ALMIA NINTENDO OF AMERICA
10. NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A DAY NINTENDO OF AMERICA


holy shit  :o @ 8 out of the 10 games being from NOA


ninty rolling hardcore in cash
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 20, 2009, 08:38:13 PM
it's probably just like every other piece of dust-gathering home workout equipment in our nation's closets

True, but it keeps selling. Given the word of mouth power of everything that has to do with this system, you'd think there would be some kind of slump.

well, it was heavily featured on several housewife-oriented talk-shows for a long while, and i guess the continuing rationale is something along the lines of "this time i'm REALLY gonna get in shape!  it'll be like playing a game, AND it's cheaper than a gym membership!"

it's the new thighmaster
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 09:26:07 PM
it's probably just like every other piece of dust-gathering home workout equipment in our nation's closets

Yup.  That's what my sister's is doing.  At first I refused to get one for her for Christmas.  "It's crappy and won't work."  "I don't care, I WAAAANT it!" "Ugh, stfu whatever."

Flash forward 3 months, and she admits to using it less than 5 times.  "It doesn't work right" is her excuse.  No, it's crap like I told you.  Ugh.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Purple Filth on March 20, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
According to Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5177033/wii-fit-officially-topples-halo-3-in-sales

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Npd Group
Wii Fit Officially Topples Halo 3 in Sales
By Brian Crecente, 3:00 PM on Fri Mar 20 2009, 7,628 views

Yesterday's news that Wii Fit continued to ride high on the U.S. video game sales chart last month told only half the story.

I just confirmed with the NPD Group that the fitness title's lifetime sales has topped Halo 3's. As of the end of February Wii Fit has sold 6 million copies in the U.S. while Xbox 360 goliath has moved 5.9 million copies in its life time.

Keep in mind that the $90 Wii Fit launched in the U.S. on May 21 of last year, while Halo 3 hit the Xbox 360 on Sept. 25 of 2007.

With 6 million balance boards out there and a legion of Wii owners, there's got to be an incoming wave of games developed for the new peripheral.



Damn....
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 20, 2009, 10:52:54 PM
Goddamn Star Ocean 4 got fucking thumped.  :(

And why the hell is Sonic's Genesis Collection doing better on the PS3?
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Tieno on March 21, 2009, 03:20:35 AM
According to Kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5177033/wii-fit-officially-topples-halo-3-in-sales

Quote
Npd Group
Wii Fit Officially Topples Halo 3 in Sales
By Brian Crecente, 3:00 PM on Fri Mar 20 2009, 7,628 views

Yesterday's news that Wii Fit continued to ride high on the U.S. video game sales chart last month told only half the story.

I just confirmed with the NPD Group that the fitness title's lifetime sales has topped Halo 3's. As of the end of February Wii Fit has sold 6 million copies in the U.S. while Xbox 360 goliath has moved 5.9 million copies in its life time.

Keep in mind that the $90 Wii Fit launched in the U.S. on May 21 of last year, while Halo 3 hit the Xbox 360 on Sept. 25 of 2007.

With 6 million balance boards out there and a legion of Wii owners, there's got to be an incoming wave of games developed for the new peripheral.



Damn....
:yuck
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: Bocsius on March 21, 2009, 03:23:21 AM
Hey, Halo 3 is at 5.9 million. Rock on.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 21, 2009, 03:51:21 AM
Animal Crossing and Wii Music WHHHHHHY!
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: maxy on March 21, 2009, 04:03:27 AM
Wii fit is going to outsell everything.
The word of mouth among hmm...non-fit people is pushing it to new levels.
Title: Re: OMG! NPD!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 21, 2009, 04:20:52 AM
I think chubster games will be come a big genre in the next few years.  Not just on Wii, but on EVERYTHING.  Consoles, iPhone, whatever.  Wiifit showed that this shit works for whatever reason and now every major publisher probably has at least one knock-off in the pipeline.

Seriously, this is the new GTA.  All of you guys hated the last one's vastly improved gameplay mechanics and now you're responsible for real games' sales being replaced by a bunch stretching exercises.  It's a fucking shame.