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Title: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:07:57 PM
At Kojima's panel he sorta announced that he's working on the next MGS game I guess.

Even though I didn't like MGS4 that much, I think I'm ok with this because it seems like the team struggled A LOT at getting their ideas working within the limits of the PS3 tech that they thought was going to be way better technology.  So now that the team knows the hardware and especially if the team isn't limited to FINISHING THE [totally convoluted] MGS STORY like they were in 4, a fresh MGS game could be a return to the quality of MGS3.

I guess we'll see some sort of non-game footage teaser at E3 along with maybe the Substance version of MGS4 for X360/PS3.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:12:35 PM
Do people even believe him anymore?  He's been saying this since MGS2.  He needs to stfu about it already.  It's almost as he's ashamed about working on a new MGS game.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game.  i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.  

will buy day one regardless because i like the abuse
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game.

You shut the FUCK UP.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:15:17 PM
i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game.  i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.  

will buy day one regardless because i like the abuse
I agree.  I'm tired of the cutscenes.  RE5 felt like fresh air when it came to the cut scene pacing--nice and short.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2009, 05:15:44 PM
I thought the first 1/2 to 2/3 of MGS4 was awesome, but then it got weird.

I'd actually like a Raiden prequel set between MGS2 and MGS4...
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:15:46 PM
YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:18:32 PM
Wait, anyone have a link to said article?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:19:05 PM
It not an article.  It's his GDC keynote, which just ended.  No MGS4 for 360 announced for those who care.  Only a new PS3 installment of the MGS series.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 05:21:50 PM
I haven't played MGS4 yet but I kinda thing I'm done with MGS

it's not like they'll ever get better than 1-3
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:22:18 PM
Seriously? wow. Another MGS PS3 game?

Can't wait.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: NME on March 26, 2009, 05:22:54 PM
This is not at all surprising and yet completely awesome news.

Also, remake the first two MSX Metal Gear games.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 05:24:59 PM
Kojima probably feels the need to take another crack at the series since he just took the crown of "Worst MGS" from Dyack.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:26:27 PM
This is not at all surprising and yet completely awesome news.

Also, remake the first two MSX Metal Gear games.

Best post ever. I can't wait for the inevitable GAF thread :lol
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 26, 2009, 05:31:15 PM
Quote
i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game.  i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.  

IIRC, they did initially intend to cut down on cutscenes for MGS4, it's just that when they got down to actually making the cutscenes, there was too much they wanted to put in and they couldn't do it.

oh here we go:

Quote
Speaking of which... we didn't see the very beginning of the game in this demo. Is that something that you've addressed?

RP: Oh, the long cinematics?

Yeah.

RP: Yeah, that was the plan at the very beginning. Mr. Kojima understands that fans -- well, not fans, since fans probably enjoy the long cinematics -- but people criticized the game for having long cinematics. The original plan for MGS4 was to shorten those, but as the story got bigger and bigger, and as we had to fill in more and more information -- because this really is the last story of Solid Snake -- the cutscenes are pretty much what you expect from a Metal Gear game now.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: dark1x on March 26, 2009, 05:31:52 PM
If this is true, it likely has the chance of reaching the heights of MGS3 for the reasons bebpo stated.  I think they could really do something incredible.

MGS3, I thought, had the perfect mix of cutscenes and gameplay.  It still had plenty of cutscenes at points (for the fans), but never flooded the player with them (until the very end).  MGS4 was just too heavy on the cutscenes for me, which I did not expect.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
MGS3 was great. I imagine Koji-Pro can do so much with this MGS4 engine. MGS5 could really be amazing, especially after the feedback they received from their last installment.

P.S

Bring back optional codecs!
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2009, 05:37:03 PM
Konami needs to rein in Kojima and stop his patriotic tendencies from interfering with making money.  It makes no sense to make another exclusive for a platform that not only has the smallest userbase but is also the hardest to program for.  

Kojima claims it's not about console wars for him and he wished that he had made MGS4 for the PC instead.  I'll like to see him put his money where his mouth is and make the next MGS for all the consoles and the PC.

I thought the first 1/2 to 2/3 of MGS4 was awesome, but then it got weird.

I'd actually like a Raiden prequel set between MGS2 and MGS4...

I don't get the sudden love for Raiden.  He's still a dork.  Mouth sword?   ::)
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 05:38:52 PM
Why do people think Kojima makes all the decisions?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 05:39:05 PM
The dude is a one trick pony.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
Kojima ::)
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 26, 2009, 05:40:05 PM
Kojima probably feels the need to take another crack at the series since he just took the crown of "Worst MGS" from Dyack.

aw, haha
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
MGS5 needs to be a sequel to Portable Ops. Let me play as Big Boss again plz
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:43:20 PM
So how official is this announcement? Or are we just putting pieces together?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:43:29 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:43:47 PM
MGS5 needs to be a sequel to Portable Ops. Let me play as Big Boss again plz

I'm sure that's still coming as Portable Ops 2...someday.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:44:40 PM
So how official is this announcement? Or are we just putting pieces together?

(http://i43.tinypic.com/mhwqa0.jpg)
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:45:21 PM
holy shit :lol

Why is GAF taking so long to post a thread on this, so I can enjoy the meltdowns :lol

Edit: 2 sec later, there's the thread!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=356609

Hopefully  this will go well.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
Portable OPs was ruined by the PSP's inherently terrible controls.  People laugh at the notion of using a PS3 controller to play a PSP game but I could see myself doing that for MGS:PO.  
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:46:08 PM
btw, I'm sure it'll be X360/PS3.  There's really no reason to do another exclusive at this point.  Though it might be that the team concentrates on 1 system (since that's what Kojima likes to do) and outsources porting it to the other system.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 05:46:24 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 05:46:35 PM
Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Lafiel on March 26, 2009, 05:48:26 PM
Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.
Why would you want to play the game with classic MGS controls eh? MGS 4 controls are SO SO much better then all the previous games. Play the game for more then a hour, you'll get used to it.

Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:49:01 PM
Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls?

wha...
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:50:23 PM
MGS4 was just too heavy on the cutscenes for me, which I did not expect.

MGS4's problems (outside of where he went with the plot) were:
-Too many cutscenes that were too long
-Act 3 first half was nice and different but there needed to be a shortcut way to skip it on replays because it's boring after the first time
-Act 4 was cute for nostalgia but having 1/5th the game with NO ENEMIES was terrible
-Act 5 was great but it was 1 room long

It's too bad because the first 2 acts are excellent and very much "next-gen" MGS.

Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.

The controls are pretty good....just play the game already.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:50:40 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

From the Kotaku liveblog of his keynote.

"The updated mission: Use the actual power of the PS3 to create the ultimate stealth game."


Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 05:51:14 PM
They are not better than classic controls.

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

Having shooting on R1 is stupid. I'd rather play with old MGS controls than that crap.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

From the Kotaku liveblog of his keynote.

"The updated mission: Use the actual power of the PS3 to create the ultimate stealth game."




That quote is about MGS4 development and what they tried to do :P
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Rman on March 26, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Cause he mentioned it in his keynote?

Said nothing about a PS3 installment though.

And they are probably gonna start a new story arc, so they have 0 reason to stay just on Ps3.

From the Kotaku liveblog of his keynote.

"The updated mission: Use the actual power of the PS3 to create the ultimate stealth game."




That quote is about MGS4 development and what they tried to do :P
Rman annihilated.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 26, 2009, 05:54:54 PM

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

what the fuck does this have to do with controls

you're so backwards.
look at your resident evil 5 avatar
fuck
what is wrong with your world.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
A next Metal Gear is...?!
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 05:58:45 PM

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

what the fuck does this have to do with controls

you're so backwards.
look at your resident evil 5 avatar
fuck
what is wrong with your world.

From what I've played it's MGS3-lite as well.

How am I backwards? RE5 is amazing.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 05:59:14 PM
MGS is awesome and unique.  Well worth my PS3 purchase. If the next MGS is on Nintendo Wii-2 or "MeToo" or "WiiTu". I'll definitely pick it up. Hell, even if it's a boardgame : P
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 06:00:09 PM
recursive - i had heard that too.  it's just that, as many people have been saying since way back when mgs1 came out, dude reeeally needs an editor.  there is no reason why a scene were two guys sit on a plane and say "now let's go here to get the bad guy" should be 20+ minutes long.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 06:00:15 PM

With classic MGS I could actually crouch in a locker. You can't do that shit in MGS4 it seems. You just stand there, making lockers a pointless hiding spot because guards always flash lights in the vents.

what the fuck does this have to do with controls

you're so backwards.
look at your resident evil 5 avatar
fuck
what is wrong with your world.

From what I've played it's MGS3-lite as well.

How am I backwards? RE5 is amazing.

Himuro, RE5 is fuck terrible.  As for MGS4, you really don't have to play it.  This image sums up everything worth knowing about the game:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/1z6tjd5.jpg)
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 06:01:28 PM
RE5 is amazing, you take that back!
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 06:02:44 PM
RE5 is amazing, you take that back!

But the irony is killer, you do see that right?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 26, 2009, 06:03:01 PM
That part was fucking amazing.  I wasn't even sure it happened it was so bad.

is that Mount Rushmore with Ocelot? wtf is that

I am so glad I didn't play MGS4
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 06:03:29 PM
:lol i never noticed that they actually put solidus' collar in there
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 06:04:03 PM
 RE5 has Mercs.

Does MGS4 have Mercs?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 06:04:51 PM
RE5 has Mercs.

Does MGS4 have Mercs?

It has online versus that doesn't cost $5.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 06:06:14 PM
But who wants to play Versus? I want to play Mercs.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
Himuro.

MGS4 includes the ability to WALK WHILE AIMING.

Does RE5 have THAT?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 06:08:05 PM
RE5 doesn't need that though.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Diunx on March 26, 2009, 06:09:19 PM
So will this be a prequel? Raiden got all his limbs reattached at the end of the game.

Or maybe he realize how much he sucks and is wearing an cyborg ninja armor that increase his abilities.

:bow Solid Snake :bow2

Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
RE5 doesn't need that though.

MGS4 doesn't need to be able to DUCK when in a locker, either.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 06:09:53 PM
I'll tell you what RE5 needs:  A dead single player co-op whore and a less bad inventory.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 06:11:23 PM
RE5 doesn't need that though.

MGS4 doesn't need to be able to DUCK when in a locker, either.

Yes it does. I could do it in MGS2 and 3. Even Twin Snakes lets you do it.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 06:12:02 PM
Snake is wealthy enough to have an iPod.

Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Lafiel on March 26, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
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i really wish he would just get the message and cut down DRASTICALLY on the amount of cutscenes in the game.  i'm sure he (or someone at konami) realizes this because of the embargo bs with mgs4, but i guess we'll see what happens as we get more info.  

IIRC, they did initially intend to cut down on cutscenes for MGS4, it's just that when they got down to actually making the cutscenes, there was too much they wanted to put in and they couldn't do it.

oh here we go:

Quote
Speaking of which... we didn't see the very beginning of the game in this demo. Is that something that you've addressed?

RP: Oh, the long cinematics?

Yeah.

RP: Yeah, that was the plan at the very beginning. Mr. Kojima understands that fans -- well, not fans, since fans probably enjoy the long cinematics -- but people criticized the game for having long cinematics. The original plan for MGS4 was to shorten those, but as the story got bigger and bigger, and as we had to fill in more and more information -- because this really is the last story of Solid Snake -- the cutscenes are pretty much what you expect from a Metal Gear game now.
That's funny most of the long cutscenes eg the briefings, where way TO long, and badly in need of some editing.
I didn't mind the long long long cutscene at the end though. And the one at the end of act 3.

 
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Lafiel on March 26, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
RE5 doesn't need that though.

MGS4 doesn't need to be able to DUCK when in a locker, either.

Yes it does. I could do it in MGS2 and 3. Even Twin Snakes lets you do it.
Are they even lockers in MGS 4?  :lol i forgot.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 06:13:34 PM
there's like two lockers in the game ffs
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
I liked MGS4. But I seriously fell asleep at the beginning of ACT 5. When the
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Outer Haven shows up- from there to when snake gets into  Outer Haven, I was out.  
[close]
But then again, I'd been playing the game for 12 hours straight by then : P
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2009, 06:15:01 PM
[laugh]
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: cool breeze on March 26, 2009, 06:19:56 PM
Even though I really did liked MGS4, replaying it in its entirety can get boring.  I've replayed Act 1 and 2 several times; the other 3 acts were entertaining at first but don't really hold up in multiple playthroughs.

I'm all for them making another MGS game with barely a story and pretty much Act 1 and 2 expanded into a full game.  They could just make something where I play as Meryl and control her squad through various missions like SWAT 4 super-lite or something.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2009, 06:21:39 PM
I'm confused at the thread title... MGS "game"?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 26, 2009, 06:22:32 PM
This thread is getting dangerous now.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 06:27:52 PM
I'm confused at the thread title... MGS "game"?

Has anyone timed the cutscenes in MGS4?  Some random site I googled up said 9.5 hours, but I want to know if there's a definitive number.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Bebpo on March 26, 2009, 06:29:33 PM
I'm confused at the thread title... MGS "game"?

Has anyone timed the cutscenes in MGS4?  Some random site I googled up said 9.5 hours, but I want to know if there's a definitive number.

It's definitely at least 50% of the total game length, which is fucking RIDICULOUS.  The other MGS games had a lot of cutscenes but they also had a lot of gameplay
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Diunx on March 26, 2009, 06:32:05 PM
I'm confused at the thread title... MGS "game"?

Has anyone timed the cutscenes in MGS4?  Some random site I googled up said 9.5 hours, but I want to know if there's a definitive number.

Its like 10 hours, act 5 alone is like 3 hours.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Trent Dole on March 26, 2009, 06:49:51 PM
lol, mgs.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Lafiel on March 26, 2009, 07:12:26 PM
I'm confused at the thread title... MGS "game"?

Has anyone timed the cutscenes in MGS4?  Some random site I googled up said 9.5 hours, but I want to know if there's a definitive number.

It's definitely at least 50% of the total game length, which is fucking RIDICULOUS.  The other MGS games had a lot of cutscenes but they also had a lot of gameplay
Eh? MGS 4 has way more actual gameplay then the first two MGS games, and the first two MGS games can only be finished in only 6-10 hours IIRC.  (and at least a 1/3 of that length is spent watching cutscenes and codec conversations).

Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 07:16:11 PM
I dunno.  I had 20ish hour playtimes on MGS2-4, and 4 definitely felt the shortest.

I think MGS1 I finished more quickly, and it definitely is cutscene heavy, but I don't remember it feeling as bad as MGS4.  I could be wrong.  It's been years.  There may have been more cutscenes, but I don't think they were as long at all.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: pilonv1 on March 26, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
i hope this game comes out and is shit and we never hear of kojima again. so fucking sick of him
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: cool breeze on March 26, 2009, 07:26:21 PM
MGS4 felt shorter because it constantly had you moving from place to place fairly quickly and you never really got the sense that you were familiar with that location.  MGS1 was all really in one location, MGS2 was in two locations that looked very similar and MGS3 was really in one area that all had the same look going on.  MGS4 had 5 locations that all looked totally different from the one before it, the trade off being that you spend only a bit of time in each one.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Lafiel on March 26, 2009, 07:28:53 PM
I dunno.  I had 20ish hour playtimes on MGS2-4, and 4 definitely felt the shortest.

I think MGS1 I finished more quickly, and it definitely is cutscene heavy, but I don't remember it feeling as bad as MGS4.  I could be wrong.  It's been years.  There may have been more cutscenes, but I don't think they were as long at all.
I had at least 20ish hours of playtime on MGS 3-4, but only 6-10 on MGS 1-2.
Obviously MGS 1-2 felt the shortest for me, both those games only took me 1-3 days to finish, while both MGS 3 & 4 took a week.
Based on my playtime i reckon i spent at least 12 hours playing MGS 4, and 9 watching cutscenes, 12 hours of gameplay for a MGS game is pretty good imo, but obviously not as well-paced as MGS 3 which had like 15 hours of gameplay and 5 hours of cutscenes.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: bork on March 26, 2009, 07:31:35 PM
MGS1- Awesome, enjoyed it.
MGS2- Shortest game ever?  You play as Snake on this tanker, then it ends and you get this long bonus game where you play as a shemale.  I couldn't get into it.
MGS3- Awesome, enjoyed it.
MGS4- Same kind of feeling as MGS2.  Maybe I'll stick with the odd-numbered ones only.  I like MGO so it's not a total loss.
Portable Ops- Hindered by controls, but still kinda fun.  I need to beat it one day.
MGS GBC/Ghost Babel- Awesome, kicks the shit out of MGS2

There's already too many remakes out there as it is, but I wouldn't mind remakes of the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2.  They don't even have to be all big-budget; PSP or even DS versions (if kept 2D with sprites) would be fine.

Is there a way to play MGS4 with classic MGS controls? Because MGS4's suck.

I have had the game since like December and have not played it for more than an hour.

I've had it since launch and have barely played it either, but a lot of that is due to the story and over-abundance of cut-scenes, which I don't care for.  The controls, though?  The game plays fucking awesomely; what are you on?  Nobody's been complaining about the game play, but rather the lack thereof.  :P
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Diunx on March 26, 2009, 07:52:39 PM
i hope this game comes out and is shit and we never hear of kojima again. so fucking sick of him

FUCK YOU!
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 07:52:44 PM
By the way, Raiden Cyborg in MGS4 sucked even bigger dicks than bitch Raiden in MGS2. Seriously, only a nerdy, dorky, taco, japafag, fat ass bitch would like his shit in MGS4.

And he stopped a submarine the size of a city. Cmon. The more you think about MGS4, the shittier it gets.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Diunx on March 26, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
Fuck you too Wrika.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 08:02:55 PM
By the way, Raiden Cyborg in MGS4 sucked even bigger dicks than bitch Raiden in MGS2. Seriously, only a nerdy, dorky, distinguished effete fellow, japafag, fat ass bitch would like his shit in MGS4.

Yeah.  Raiden in MGS4 was totally Poochy.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
the making of dvd said mgs4 had eight and a half hours of cutscenes, which is way more than any mgs. 

actually now that i think about it, how many movie trilogies are under 8 1/2 hours?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 09:00:27 PM
It just doesn't make any sense...

The citySubmarine was powering through the harbor, so it doesn't take a fucking genius, to see that even if you were strong enough to not bend over and get a submarine rammed up your ass, fact is, the submarine wouldn't stop at you, because you ARE IN THE FUCKING HARBOR, and unless the rock in that spot of the harbor was made of adamantium, it wouldn't make any sense for the rock to not brake, like the rest of the harbor.

So, even when you look at it from a Comic Book nerd wearing Batman pajamas point of view, it still doesn't make a lick of sense. Even if Raiden had the strength!!!

So who was the genius that looked at the story board and thought "Wait, that could work..." What!?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 26, 2009, 09:06:28 PM
I have been tempted several times to rebuy MGS4 for those first two acts.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 26, 2009, 09:13:27 PM
MGS4 getting goty at several places only means that there's a ton of hardcore fanboys of MGS that will eat it up no matter what, and they are one vocal bunch.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2009, 11:02:58 PM
The mount rushmore moment will be infamous forever but don't forget about the mouth sword. 
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 11:10:07 PM
Kojima had nothing to do with MGS staying on the ps3.

staying? :teehee
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Diunx on March 26, 2009, 11:30:38 PM
If the new game is gonna be centered around Raiden, then get ready for Matrix Reloaded, Advent Children & DMC3 level of ridiculous. Like 10x MGS4's.

Whether that's bad or not depends on your taste, though I have to say, if that still makes you feel tingly inside then you're lame and I don't wanna be your friend anymore.

DMC3 was awesome.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2009, 11:34:45 PM
pics

YESSSS I HOPE THEY BRING ROSE BACK ON THE CODEC
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: MCD on March 26, 2009, 11:42:39 PM
is that...a gentleman's cane?
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 11:59:29 PM
MGS Brain Training
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: drohne on March 27, 2009, 12:50:32 AM
if they do another metal gear, i'd rather see them drop all that mgs plot baggage entirely. mgs4 kind of foundered under it. start fresh pls

but i'm not ready to conclude that it'll star raiden. these first indications from kp are usually misleading. deliberately so
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Vizzys on March 27, 2009, 12:57:24 AM
first 20% raiden, suprise 80% of the game you are snake
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Lafiel on March 27, 2009, 01:10:31 AM
I rather play as a another cyborg ninja, raiden is a pretty lame character, despite his AWESOME profession.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: cool breeze on March 27, 2009, 01:16:12 AM
they have so much open room even within the story to make a new game about Snake, Raiden, Big Boss, The Boss, etc.  And all that stuff could fit into the canon storyline and not just an offshoot like the ACID games.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2009, 01:24:25 AM
I'll like to see a youne clone of Snake with all his memories intact or some crap like that.  It was kinda sad the way Snake went out as a loveless old fart. 
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2009, 01:27:55 AM
snake is told by medical types that they found a cure for his aging, given new mission, people pick him up , life as normal, putta putta putta machine gun sneaky death, Raiden is the bad guy for some reason, Naomi isn't really dead, drebin is a robot, and the REAL bad guy pulling the strings is an old and bitter REAL snake who isn't cured. You are a clone, you are the first experiment to proove that the ultimate snake can be reproduced at will. War economy. Patroits shoot nukes at moon to kill cheese monsters. 5 hour cutscenes. Game of the year. Tie in to game produced by best looking female in the industry at the time.

woah...future slip.


 :lol

That sounds entirely plausible as the plot for the next MGS.  Funny how it only took you less than a minute to come up with a Kojima plot.  
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2009, 01:34:27 AM
The tagline for the MGS5 commercial, "Snake, if you won't be a prisoner of science, then go, embrace eternity!"

Is that nonsensical enough for MGS? 
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: trippingmartian on March 27, 2009, 01:53:39 AM
MGS is great but the story peaked with MGS1 and the stealth mechanics have been bested by other franchises. Kojima has so much talent, it really is a shame to see him waste it all on this and Boktai. Enough with the sequels already.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Positive Touch on March 27, 2009, 03:18:53 AM
Kojima has so much talent, it really is a shame to see him waste it all on this and Boktai.

Boktai isn't a waste you scum
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 27, 2009, 10:13:03 AM
Right, so as a PS360 owner I could help but lol over the questions at GT
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47299.html

Paraphrasing "PS3 isn't selling it's in 3rd place in America ( because that's the only thing matters), will you still keep it exclusive?"

What the hell, once. Just once, I want them to actually ask him about future games and what kind of games he's looking to do. Stop trying to get hits : (
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: dark1x on March 27, 2009, 10:47:35 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/dark1x/1213768217878un5.jpg)
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Veidt on March 27, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
Is that real? :lol
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 27, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
It's real.
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: bud on March 27, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/dark1x/1213768217878un5.jpg)

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 27, 2009, 01:44:18 PM
Yeah, I don't see why they can't just drop continuity altogether and start over with a totally new character, backstory, etc.  Final Fantasy does it every time and still sells
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 27, 2009, 01:47:52 PM
Wow, Kojima has pretty bad skin.  Maybe even worse than mine.  of course he's a lot older as well, my skin will probably be worse than his by the time I'm that old
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: TVC15 on March 27, 2009, 05:09:34 PM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/dark1x/1213768217878un5.jpg)

The leering face in the third panel makes it.  Reminds me of

(http://indarktrees.com/pics/georgerrmartindance.gif)(http://indarktrees.com/pics/georgerrmartindance.gif)(http://indarktrees.com/pics/georgerrmartindance.gif)
Title: Re: So another MGS game....
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2009, 05:23:13 PM
A whole new take on MGS is actually a pretty good idea.  I'd dig a more gritty, realistic take on MGS.  Konami could do what Marvel Comics did and create an Ultimate version of Solid Snake.  He would be like a more bad-ass version of Sam Fisher.