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Title: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: ShogunOfFear on April 03, 2009, 03:46:56 PM
# Story Highlights
# NEW: Four people killed in shooting in Binghamton, New York, source says
# NEW: CNN affiliate WBNG-TV reports 12 people killed; 2 men led away in cuffs
# NEW: There may be 20 to 40 people taken hostage, source says
# Shootings occurred at American Civic Association, which helps immigrants, refugees


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/03/binghamton.shooting/index.html

Holy shit wtf is wrong people?  Hopefully the hostages are alright.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Rman on April 03, 2009, 04:04:03 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 03, 2009, 04:15:57 PM
My aunt and cousins live in binghamton.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
Sadly, bet this guy turns out to be a Lou Dobbs watching nationalist nutbar.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 03, 2009, 04:24:11 PM
Maybe, but remeber those virginia sniper shootings? Those were supposedly a white guy ala OK city bombings...
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Diunx on April 03, 2009, 04:24:57 PM
For some reason I'm imaging the shooter being Russian.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: ShogunOfFear on April 03, 2009, 04:25:53 PM
The local media is reporting the shooter as a young asian male, but his motives not yet confirmed.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 04:34:36 PM
Hopefully this will get New York to pass concealed-carry laws. It's crazy that people can just be slaughtered like sheep and not be allowed to defend themselves.


Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Brehvolution on April 03, 2009, 04:38:00 PM
That is about an hour east of where I live.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 03, 2009, 04:40:56 PM
It wasn't a white guy? Triumph annihilated?
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Veidt on April 03, 2009, 05:04:46 PM
It's always the Asians!

DEY  Tuk ARRR JAABBS
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: brawndolicious on April 03, 2009, 05:50:43 PM
Hopefully this will get New York to pass concealed-carry laws. It's crazy that people can just be slaughtered like sheep and not be allowed to defend themselves.
I don't want to get into a second amendment fight, but I'm sure that NY has a bigger problem with mugging murderers than with hostage murderers.  Although these situations always get more attention.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 02:40:35 PM
Hopefully this will get New York to pass concealed-carry laws. It's crazy that people can just be slaughtered like sheep and not be allowed to defend themselves.




Yes, a bunch of citizens with guns would have made this situation end much better  ::)

Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 04:22:07 PM
It would have...
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: brawndolicious on April 04, 2009, 05:12:38 PM
can non-citizens even get firearms?  even if they could, most non-americans dislike guns because of the high amount of gun crime in the US.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
It would have...

no, it really wouldn't have.  Bunch of fucking people who don't know how to shoot a gun, shooting wildly at someone?

There's no proof that that would work.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 05:19:04 PM
It would have...

No it would not. It would result in a bigger firefight, fragging, etc.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 06:49:26 PM
Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: TVC15 on April 04, 2009, 06:50:16 PM
Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

These were people taking immigration tests.  I really doubt anyone there could even legally carry guns.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 07:18:01 PM
Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

well then fuck texas
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Veidt on April 04, 2009, 07:19:59 PM
Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

I dunno, I can brady bill pretty fast.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
Speaking of gun nuts: http://kdka.com/local/officers.shot.Stanton.2.975820.html

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One friend, Edward Perkovic, said Poplawski feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon."
smh
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2009, 11:08:18 PM
Lol yeah cause life is just like a counter strike match. Dumbass.

In texas somebody would have shot that fucker faster than you can say brady bill

that sure happened in killeen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2009, 11:09:23 PM
which is connected to a military base

so if anyone would have been the whole proof of concept for "gun culture saves lives" that event sure as hell would have been it

except, it wasn't.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 11:13:05 PM
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About 80 people were in the restaurant at the time.  During the shooting, Hennard approached Suzanna Gratia Hupp and her parents. Hupp had actually brought a handgun to the Luby's Cafeteria that day, but had left it in her vehicle due to the laws in force at the time, forbidding citizens from carrying firearms. According to her later testimony in favor of Missouri's HB-1720 bill[1] and in general [2][3], after she realized that her firearm was not in her purse, but "a hundred feet away in [her] car", her father charged at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him, only to be gunned down; a short time later, her mother was also shot and killed. (Hupp later expressed regret for abiding by the law in question by leaving her firearm in her car, rather than keeping it on her person[1].)

Eric P annihilated also. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 04, 2009, 11:13:57 PM
Concealed Carry saved multiple lives in this instance:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=110522&provider=top


I could link to half a dozen more that have occurred in Ohio since we passed the law. This is just the most recent one.

Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 11:14:53 PM
So isolated incidents where it actually worked out is better evidence than people being able to go apeshit with these things?

No, I'm sorry, I don't trust people.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 11:19:19 PM
So isolated incidents where people go apeshit with these things is enough not to trust people?


fixed
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 11:23:36 PM
Liberal d-bags annihilated in this thread.  :gun :gun :gun :gun :gun :gun :gun :gun
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 04, 2009, 11:25:59 PM
wikipedia is so cool
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres

also FOC isn't Ron Paul for gun control?  How can you be against it?
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: brawndolicious on April 04, 2009, 11:27:08 PM
It's more common for guns to be used for crime than it is for them to be used for vigilantism.  The problem is that this guy was in the last place you would expect somebody to have a firearm.  Either because they couldn't legally get one or most likely because they just don't want one.

Concealed Carry saved multiple lives in this instance:
http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=110522&provider=top
I could link to half a dozen more that have occurred in Ohio since we passed the law. This is just the most recent one.
Quote
AlohaDawg wrote:
Big Scotty, that is the exact attitude that well educated and informed gun owners hate the most. If you are waiting for the chance to shoot someone, give up your gun because there is a lot more to responsible gun ownership than willingness to shoot. People who respect and defend the right to bear arms should also respect life and understand that any taking of life is tragic, even if it is justifiable. It should always be absolutely the last resort.
The story doesn't even mention that the robber had a gun.  I'm guessing that the owner just saved a few hundred dollars that day, not anybody's life.  Maybe you should link some of the other stories?

And Texas is infamous for having murderous road rage passed off as self-defense.  Idiots LOVE guns.  That doesn't mean that all gun owners are idiots but it does mean that we don't live in a perfect world.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 04, 2009, 11:27:31 PM
Damn guns and their causing of the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre of 1572!!!!!
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 11:43:42 PM
Well I'l just bow out, it's not worth talking about.  Really blows for the families, and it's very tragic.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 04, 2009, 11:56:22 PM
Yeah, easy access to guns sure helped those cops in Pittsburgh today who were responding to a domestic disturbance call and got shot down by a gun nut who was afraid that Obama was gonna take his guns. 
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 05, 2009, 12:03:58 AM
Oh wow, also looks like the Binghamton gunman was wearing body armor.  The maniac in Pittsburgh had a bulletproof vest and an ak-47- HE shot from his bedroom window at an armored swat vehicle and medics that arrived to help the first officers on the scene, who by the way died there.  But I'm sure if only some guy had had a crappy 9mm or .32 pistol on them all of this could have been averted.  Let's not stop to think that it took these guys having a fucking small arsenal themselves is what caused this, nope.

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Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 05, 2009, 12:32:40 AM
I myself own two handguns, a rifle and a shotgun, but I don't think I should be allowed to carry them wherever the fuck I want and conceal them.

If only criminals shared your view.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 05, 2009, 12:46:38 AM
Suck it bitches!! FoC is right again. Yeah yeah thats right. You like it bitch.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 07:29:55 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001115/

What the fuck? How did reporters not stop this dude and say "uhh...what?"
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: tiesto on April 06, 2009, 07:58:54 PM
I still can't believe this happened in Binghamton of all places, sleepy little upstate NY town. This whole situation was so fucked  :-\
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Oblivion on April 06, 2009, 08:09:11 PM
Why is it that every fucking tragedy has to be seen principally through the lense of idiotic political views?  Can't you fucking idiots just realize that that something horrific happened and dwell on that for a moment.

Agreed. Hopefully all the black men responsible for this will be brought to justice.

Yeah, easy access to guns sure helped those cops in Pittsburgh today who were responding to a domestic disturbance call and got shot down by a gun nut who was afraid that Obama was gonna take his guns. 

Okay, I was responding to something like this yesterday, but I thought I read it wrong cause the some of your other statements made it seem like you were being facetious, but just to clarify, are you for or against gun control?
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2009, 08:53:38 PM
I am for some gun control.  I don't need to have assault weapons, and neither does anyone else.  Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to own a gun.  If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting a gun.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2009, 11:17:01 AM
http://gawker.com/5201888/binghamton-killers-polite-deranged-letter
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 07, 2009, 11:18:48 AM
I am for some speech control.  I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else.  Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely.  If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 07, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
that has to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged analogy ever
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2009, 11:31:26 AM
that has to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged analogy ever

aren't you glad you didn't have to wait three days to type that out?

now, don't you wish that anyone could buy a gun that easily?

i would buy guns from amazon and have them overnighted with my Prime membership and then no one would fuck with me.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2009, 11:33:46 AM
I am for some speech control.  I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else.  Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely.  If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

Well, I have to say that I agree with everything you edited in there, because it could in theory keep you from posting on the internets or maybe even talking at all.  And that would be 31 different flavors of AWESOME.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 07, 2009, 11:35:20 AM
Spoken like a true liberal.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2009, 11:38:42 AM
Tell me, O Champeen of Liberty and Protector of TEH CONSTITUTION, what do you take away from the 2nd Amendment?
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: T-Short on April 07, 2009, 11:54:46 AM
I am for some speech control.  I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else.  Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely.  If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

 :rofl
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 07, 2009, 12:02:26 PM

I am for some speech control.  I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else.  Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely.  If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.


Wow.
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: Tauntaun on April 07, 2009, 12:05:11 PM
I just want a .50 cal sniper rifle one day with a super awesome scope that can use night vision and heat sensors.  :gun  I'd just look at it and jizz a lot.  :drool
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: ShogunOfFear on April 07, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
I am for some speech control.  I don't need to have free speech, and neither does anyone else.  Waiting periods, competency tests, and safety instruction should all be required to speak freely.  If you're not an impatient, distinguished mentally-challenged klutz then you'll have no problem getting free speech.

Fucking idiot.

 :rofl    :kylielaff
Title: Re: Binghamton New York shootings/hostage situation
Post by: tiesto on April 07, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
that has to be the most distinguished mentally-challenged analogy ever

aren't you glad you didn't have to wait three days to type that out?

now, don't you wish that anyone could buy a gun that easily?

i would buy guns from amazon and have them overnighted with my Prime membership and then no one would fuck with me.

Or, just pick them up at the local Gamestop:

(http://penny-arcade.com/images/2009/20090311.jpg)