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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:11:39 PM

Title: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:11:39 PM

Here's what I posted at Metafilter:

"My concern is that when I was hired I was a totally unknown quantity. I took a somewhat low pay offer because I was desperate and because I had preciously few references in the field. I was initially hired as a marketing grunt. I did a lot of background research for campaigns, wrote some copy, executed a few web campaigns etc etc. I also put in after-hours and weekend work at events. As time went on, I gradually evolved into the web guy after it was discovered that I knew more than a fair shake about coding on the web. That job eventually grew and grew to the point where I was running all of our social media ventures, coding PHP/SQL databases for odds and ends work, relaunching our website and, now, implementing a new e-commerce software platform while simultaneously integrating that platform with a new and expensive and complicated ERP-backend. And doing the design work for these. And, oh yeah, I'm still doing weekend/after-hours trade show work, still doing marketing grunt work. I feel like I have two jobs.

But whatever. It could be worse! The problem is that my pay (About 18k, after taxes) is no longer consummate with the work- both quantity and quality- that I'm doing and is very, very much not on par for New York City. My wife and I are used to be being broke, we make ends meet, but I'm in a position now to get a little bit more and I'm not sure how much to ask for.

First of all, my boss loves me. I'm always the first to volunteer for a goofy detail no one else wants (I once wore the mascot costume when our usual mascot fellow was a no-show), I have a generally upbeat spirit and I do good work. I'm 100% confident that a review of the work I've done will come up positive.

I'm also in a position where. To finish the ERP work, at the contracting company's rate, would probably cost $15-$25000. They're very expensive. Now, I'm not going to ask my boss for a 15,000 raise, as much as I might think I deserve it. But the usual 2-3% figure I keep seeing quoted seems incredibly tiny, useless and untenable. I'm already considering a second job- I might as well just get a new primary that pays better."

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 03:13:39 PM

jump to 35k

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 03:13:57 PM

or 30k

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 30, 2009, 03:14:43 PM

I hear GilloD's poll was raised? Am I correct?

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:14:48 PM

You just want me to buy miniatures.

"In this campaign you fight 75 dire wolves"

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:15:19 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 30, 2009, 03:14:35 PM

18k after taxes?  WTF do you do?  I've made more money bussing tables.

I was hired for Marketing grunt work, now I do a lot of web development stuff. While still doing the first job, also.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 03:16:29 PM

Quote from: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:14:48 PM

You just want me to buy miniatures.

"In this campaign you fight 75 dire wolves"

you kidding me?  I have found a way to print out cheap minis which will work for my purposes.

but seriously, i'd say 30 - 35k at a minimum for the work you do.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on April 30, 2009, 03:19:00 PM

Damn, 18k after taxes? You're in New York right? That's rough man.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Mupepe on April 30, 2009, 03:19:49 PM

10k at least.  that's ridiculous dude.  and you live in NY, right?  That is atrocious anywhere for a professional job.

Title: I wouldn't give you a raise
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 30, 2009, 03:23:59 PM

Quote from: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:11:39 PM

But whatever. It could be worse! The problem is that my pay (About 18k, after taxes) is no longer consummate with the work

I think the word you are looking for is commensurate.  :smug

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Bocsius on April 30, 2009, 03:40:43 PM

18K after taxes, probably not even 25 before? Double it up.

I doubt you get anywhere near it, though, if anything at all. You have to go somewhere else.

Title: Re: I wouldn't give you a raise
Post by: GoofyGoober on April 30, 2009, 03:44:37 PM

Quote from: Malek on April 30, 2009, 03:23:59 PM

Quote from: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:11:39 PM

But whatever. It could be worse! The problem is that my pay (About 18k, after taxes) is no longer consummate with the work

I think the word you are looking for is commensurate.  :smug

His working is screwing him, more of a Freudian slip I suppose.

Title: Re: I wouldn't give you a raise
Post by: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:49:14 PM

Quote from: Malek on April 30, 2009, 03:23:59 PM

Quote from: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:11:39 PM

But whatever. It could be worse! The problem is that my pay (About 18k, after taxes) is no longer consummate with the work

I think the word you are looking for is commensurate.  :smug

Hahaha. Thanks :)

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 30, 2009, 03:50:03 PM

I think you would need to actively find another place that will hire you for that amount of money before you can hypothetically demand that money.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Rman on April 30, 2009, 03:50:47 PM

That sounds about the 40k range, based on your job description, which is starting salary for entry level web stuff.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Tauntaun on April 30, 2009, 04:16:21 PM

Quote from: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 03:16:29 PM

Quote from: GilloD on April 30, 2009, 03:14:48 PM

You just want me to buy miniatures.

"In this campaign you fight 75 dire wolves"

you kidding me?  I have found a way to print out cheap minis which will work for my purposes.

but seriously, i'd say 30 - 35k at a minimum for the work you do.

What?  Man up.  :punch

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Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 04:17:01 PM

that's not the 40k joke i expected from you!

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2009, 04:18:29 PM

18K?!

Is your boss a republican?

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Tauntaun on April 30, 2009, 04:23:18 PM

Quote from: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 04:17:01 PM

that's not the 40k joke i expected from you!

What was I supposed to do.  I have to crap real bad but have yet to go so that's screwing up my brain.  Why am I holding it in?  I've got important things to post on teh webz!  :smug

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Bocsius on April 30, 2009, 04:23:42 PM

Perhaps Gillo is an undocumented worker. 18K is a gift.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 04:41:35 PM

secretly makes snuff films?

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Reb on April 30, 2009, 06:36:35 PM

18K :teehee

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: demi on April 30, 2009, 06:51:00 PM

gillod :lol

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: drew on April 30, 2009, 06:52:18 PM

where is the dont care option?

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 30, 2009, 08:35:35 PM

Your problem is, as I stated somewhere else before, you are basically your boss' do-boy.  He almost certainly values your work highly- because you do it for dirt fucking cheap and always enthusiastically.  You're going to change that equation by asking for more money; I personally don't expect the conversation to go well.

Having said all that, I'd ask for somewhere in between 5-10k.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 30, 2009, 08:43:50 PM

But if you ask for more pay, you'll get taxed more!

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: TVC15 on April 30, 2009, 08:47:07 PM

I'm with Triumph on this one.  I think the best of all possible worlds answer is to find a gig that will pay what you deserve, but, well, 2G2D.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Positive Touch on April 30, 2009, 09:01:55 PM

i would murder someone to make 18k :(

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 30, 2009, 09:04:17 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on April 30, 2009, 09:01:55 PM

i would murder someone to make 18k :(

Quote

TVC 15
will pay you to murder him

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Positive Touch on April 30, 2009, 09:05:17 PM

awesome; time for a road trip!

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 30, 2009, 09:16:25 PM

No offense but...

The boss loves you 'cuz you're his bitch.  I've seen this go down a million times before.  Guy buddies up to his boss thinking that him/her is going to reward him with a nice raise only to get the shaft.  Meanwhile some tool who doesn't give a fuck about the job is offered the better raise.  It is all about value and your boss's perception of your value.  You want to be known as the guy that can get shit done but at the same time, not sure if you're going to be around forever because someone else might snatch you up for better pay.

18k is kind of crap: the kind of pay that I'd make working on the weekends and interning for a few weeks.  Even if it is after tax, this is NYC.  You are getting shafted.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Akala on April 30, 2009, 10:09:50 PM

Even in 2G2D you should be able to find work with better pay. Disclaimer: I know absolutely nothing about the current job environment in NYC.

I was in the exact same situation as you a few years ago. I was bartending and finishing up college, and once I got my degree (polsci lol) I couldn't really find much. I got an admin job being office bitch for around what you're making now (ok, a bit more. Really, your boss is hosing you). I mentioned going back to school and got a decent raise a bit after.

Do you have your degree? If so, mention you're thinking about going back. If not, say you are considering going/finishing.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: GilloD on May 01, 2009, 11:19:36 AM

Here's the thing: My wife and I are going to Korea in September. So I'm just looking to score some pocket change for the summer. I know I should look elsewhere and I would be if I was staying. But I'm not.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Akala on May 01, 2009, 11:23:55 AM

Oh yeah. If you'll be leaving soonish, why not lowball it to something you know you'll get. 5k.

Title: Re: A POLL ABOUT MY RAISE
Post by: Bocsius on May 01, 2009, 11:43:41 AM

If you're leaving in September and your boss already knows it, you have no bargaining power.