Saw T4 today. It was okay - cool action scenes, shitty story, shitty acting by everyone who wasn't Sam Worthington or the kid from Star Trek. A few lol worthy references to the previous movies and everyone laughed when spoiler (click to show/hide)
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find a bunch of human prisoners inside, plus Marcus's body. The squad commander tells John Conner to go up above and check on the crew outside. He does, they're all dead, and after a brief battle above, he gets on the radio and gets a chopper to pick him up, saying there's one survivor. Then it cuts to Marcus wandering around in the same area later on. No explanation is given for what the fuck happened to the resistance or the human prisoners, or how Marcus got re-animated. WTF?
Other shit that had me scratching my head:
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-Why did Skynet not know the location of John Conner's (HUGE) resistance headquarters? ESPECIALLY after it is established that any "abnormal" sounds, like a radio playing, let alone huge fucking explosions all over the place, will bring out Skynet drones/Terminators to the area, (and nevermind the radio signal that they discovered that de-activates robots is actually being used by Skynet to track humans!) The resistance blows the shit out of their own mine field and wastes tons of ammo trying kill one of their own people and Marcus, and nothing happens. :lol
-In the same scene, right after the mind field part, John Conner is in a chopper with some other guys investigating a nearby river. There's little Skynet fish-like robots in there that kill everyone but Conner. Again, this is right near the resistance base, so why doesn't Skynet know where they are?
-The "comic book villain" like portrayal of Skynet and its speech to Marcus, revealing all its plans. So fucking cliche. It used Marcus to lure John Conner and Kyle Reese to it. WHY? It's supposed to be a cold, calculating machine. It had multiple chances to kill Kyle Reese in particular outright, but did NOT.
-How is that Marcus Wright's cybernetic parts are so much more advanced than the Terminators that were created after him? Not to mention, if he was so successful for Skynet, why bother with T-800s at all? Why not make more human/terminator hybrids, since it's much harder to tell if they're "robots" or not?
-How easy it was for John Conner to take out the various Skynet drones alone, and for him to sneak into Skynet by himself with no problems whatsoever.
This movie is also less about John Conner (who comes off like a real dickhead most of the time, IMO) and more about Marcus Wright. It felt like an action movie that had some Terminator elements to it, not a Terminator movie, at least up until the very end, if that makes sense. Also the delivery on some of the classic Terminator lines was just :-\.
The latest Entertainment Weekly has an interview with Bale where he says that he first turned down doing this movie and that his people were all telling him to avoid doing anything with McG. He probably should have taken that advice. The Dark Knight this is NOT. But it felt okay to me overall. Better than Wolverine anyway.
Whoever said it feels like a TV movie hit the nail on the head. I didn't think Salvation was awful, but it was full of plotholes and questionable editing choices. There's a part in the beginning where a bunch of resistance guys attack a Skynet installation and spoiler (click to show/hide)
find a bunch of human prisoners inside, plus Marcus's body. The squad commander tells John Conner to go up above and check on the crew outside. He does, they're all dead, and after a brief battle above, he gets on the radio and gets a chopper to pick him up, saying there's one survivor. Then it cuts to Marcus wandering around in the same area later on. No explanation is given for what the fuck happened to the resistance or the human prisoners, or how Marcus got re-animated. WTF?
Other shit that had me scratching my head:
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-Why did Skynet not know the location of John Conner's (HUGE) resistance headquarters? ESPECIALLY after it is established that any "abnormal" sounds, like a radio playing, let alone huge fucking explosions all over the place, will bring out Skynet drones/Terminators to the area, (and nevermind the radio signal that they discovered that de-activates robots is actually being used by Skynet to track humans!) The resistance blows the shit out of their own mine field and wastes tons of ammo trying kill one of their own people and Marcus, and nothing happens. :lol
-In the same scene, right after the mind field part, John Conner is in a chopper with some other guys investigating a nearby river. There's little Skynet fish-like robots in there that kill everyone but Conner. Again, this is right near the resistance base, so why doesn't Skynet know where they are?
-The "comic book villain" like portrayal of Skynet and its speech to Marcus, revealing all its plans. So fucking cliche. It used Marcus to lure John Conner and Kyle Reese to it. WHY? It's supposed to be a cold, calculating machine. It had multiple chances to kill Kyle Reese in particular outright, but did NOT.
-How is that Marcus Wright's cybernetic parts are so much more advanced than the Terminators that were created after him? Not to mention, if he was so successful for Skynet, why bother with T-800s at all? Why not make more human/terminator hybrids, since it's much harder to tell if they're "robots" or not?
-How easy it was for John Conner to take out the various Skynet drones alone, and for him to sneak into Skynet by himself with no problems whatsoever.
This movie is also less about John Conner (who comes off like a real dickhead most of the time, IMO) and more about Marcus Wright. It felt like an action movie that had some Terminator elements to it, not a Terminator movie, at least up until the very end, if that makes sense. Also the delivery on some of the classic Terminator lines was just :-\.
The latest Entertainment Weekly has an interview with Bale where he says that he first turned down doing this movie and that his people were all telling him to avoid doing anything with McG. He probably should have taken that advice. The Dark Knight this is NOT. But it felt okay to me overall. Better than Wolverine anyway.
Really? Why didn't the US just go in to Germany and kill Hitler? They knew where he was. the whole point of a Terminator is to infiltrate and assassinate. In the first movie, a terminator comes in to the resistance base and kills everyone. Skynet KNOWS where they are, but they don't send everyone in. That's not how wars are fought.
and
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The whole lab exploded.
When did that spoiler part happen? :lol
That's not the whole point in Terminator. Skynet isn't human; it wiped the fuck out of humanity on Earth. It also had no problem spoiler (click to show/hide)
blowing up the resistance command sub.
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Kyle Reese was #1 on its kill list, it had multiple chances to kill him, and let him live.
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skynet does a monologue?
lame'
yeah, and that kinda sucks as well. time travel plot incosistencies are one thing, it's quite another to put shit in that makes zero sense, for zero reason.
Exactly, we follow this one character around for the whole movie and his whole purpose was
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to give John Connor a heart. aww, how sweet. :-*
And why was he sent into the future anyways? They created a feely touchy machine and just decided to shit him out into the future with no reason.
Nitpicks (besides the overall plot being ridiculous like Cohen described):
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-I will give my heart!: Didn't anyone in the resistance go HEY WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS INDESTRUCTIBLE ROBO-MAN FIGHTING AS A SOLDIER FOR US. HE'D ONLY BE THEIR GREATEST WEAPON IN THE WAR AGAINST THE MACHINES. NAH LETS JUST LET HIM KILL HIMSELF TO GIVE OLE' JOHN A HEART.
-So Skynet makes scout flying things but they don't even give them a tiny gun? It's not like Skynet is low on guns or anything and might as well equip every robot with some form of attack weapon.
-Skynet motorcycles can only shoot when they are in front of a vehicle? Like they are too dumb to shoot in when they are behind it or beside it?
-So the t-800, a robot that we've seen affected by magma in the other films, is completely unaffected by it here. Great for the "haha, pranked!" factor but uhhhhh what?
-BIGGEST PLOT FAIL EVER: So Skynet makes this infiltration unit that has FULL HACKING ACCESS CONTROL to Skynet's systems and uh, no robot override that forces him to act for them, and they just assume it's all good because he's going to side with the robots? Riiiiight. :lol The film would have been at least a good deal better if when he interfaces with skynet and it "syncs" it activates the robotic portion of his brain, which takes over his nervous system, and makes him go kill John Conner when Conner doesn't expect it. Then you have the last moment where Marcus's will/humanity breaks free and rips the computer brain out and he saves Conner. The way it is in the movie it's like what was the point of even pulling out the cyber-brain since it obviously HAD NO CONTROLLING EFFECT on him. He's just like "look suckas, I ain't no robot!", which was totally unnecessary.
Movie was stupid. Besides being stupid there wasn't even good action like T1/T2 so when it wasn't lol funny it was kind of boring. There are hardly any big action setpieces. There's like one at the start with marcus and one at the end with conner and that's the whole movie.
Also I think the only way to take half the stuff seriously in the Terminator movies is to go under the impression that the robots are really dumb.
I wonder who wrote in that shitty ending :yuck
It was better than the original ending.
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Connor dies and has his skin grafted to Marcus' body. :-\
I thought having Nolan re-write teh script was Bale's precondition for signing on?
Everything I've read says that Nolan did rewrites during filming and that Bale signed on back in November 2007.
I wonder who wrote in that shitty ending :yuck
It was better than the original ending.
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Connor dies and has his skin grafted to Marcus' body. :-\
I thought having Nolan re-write teh script was Bale's precondition for signing on?
Everything I've read says that Nolan did rewrites during filming and that Bale signed on back in November 2007.
But that original ending was distinguished mentally-challenged seeing as how
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Conner kills Kyle Reese. HOW THE FUCK COULD THAT HAPPEN?