THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2009, 03:05:44 AM
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I don't know, I just don't understand what it's doing different than any other third person shooters out there. In fact, I think it's pretty disappointing that it doesn't really delve into exploration and focuses so much on shooting.
I just don't really understand how this is lapping up so much praise. I think The PS3 had much better looking games at E3.
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It looks like an awesome action adventure movie turned into a game. It's Uncharted, but seemingly much, much better in every way. It also helps that it's not coming from some rookie studio, and that even the multiplayer (specifically, the co-op) is damned good. Honestly now, if you seriously don't understand why a well playing action game with crazy production values is getting praise, then you must have missed the boat on gaming a while ago.
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-it looks pretty good, better than the first
-its ps3 exclusive
there is your hype
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I don't know, I guess my issue is that I'm just sick of third person shooters in general I guess. I'm much more interested in a game that uses the perspective and does something a little different with it--Assassins Creed 2, Splinter Cell, etc. I just can't really play Gears, Uncharted, etc without just feeling like I've played this game before.
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So then do you or do you not understand why it is "lapping up praise?"
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No, I still don't understand it. But, whatever. My game of the show was probably Splinter Cell, so eh.
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No, I still don't understand it.
Then you must be a bit daft. No offense.
Besides, how many platforming/shooter hybrids are there really out there? I haven't played the SP, but this blend certainly has an effect on the multiplayer bit.
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Yes, you're the only one not into Uncharted 2. I have right here in my hands a survey of all the world's inhabitants, and it came back 6,999,999,999 for, 1 against. I wondered who that 1 was, thinking it might be some error, perhaps the respondant didn't quite understand the question. Now I know, and the worst of my fears has been realized: there is one who refuses to conform. Don't worry, you will be broken in time.
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single player should be great. however the multiplayer is pretty average and i doubt i'll spend much time with it. even in its mediocrity the mp will still get praised to high heaven
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single player should be great. however the multiplayer is pretty average and i doubt i'll spend much time with it. even in its mediocrity the mp will still get praised to high heaven
I'd love to live in a world with multiplayer experiences so magnificent as to make this mediocre, but hey. I'm not sold on the straight up competitive modes, but it was certainly well above average.
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Not really excited about it either, and I loved the first game (I didn't put it down until I beat it). It just looks like a big map pack. It seems like they removed the minimal exploration from the original and replaced it with more shootin (the worst part of the first) and stealth elements (blah).
Mass Effect 2 is looking to be a more interesting sequel as from what they showed they seem to be improving on the faults in the original, where ND just seems to be adding more shock and awe graphic effects.
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the mp in red faction is only about a thousand times better than what is in uncharted
but hey, it's ps3 exclusive so i expect you to love it no matter what
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Mass Effect 2 is looking to be a more interesting sequel as from what they showed they seem to be improving on the faults in the original, where ND just seems to be adding more shock and awe graphic effects.
Ah yes, this is a good point. The first Mass Effect was something I enjoyed while playing but there were certain things during that really didn't mesh with me, and led to me trading it in right after I finished it. Mass Effect 2 seems to fix most of those issues, hopefully, and I'm very impressed with the changes.
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oh yeah I forget, duckman is like sony's lapdog
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the mp in red faction is only about a thousand times better than what is in uncharted
but hey, it's ps3 exclusive so i expect you to love it no matter what
I don't recall being particularly gaga over Uncharted, but if dragging system wars bullshit into it is what you need to do in order to stabilize your crumbling, kiddie argument, then go for it.
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oh yeah I forget, duckman is like sony's lapdog
Snore. Whatever though, I'd sooner be a corporate lapdog than someone so critically daft that he can't quite understand why people are excited about an explosive action adventure game with great production values and a veteran studio at the helm.
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they should put that on the box
edit: listen, I don't give a shit about how it has great production values. good for it. if it plays boring to me, it's fucking boring.
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If Uncharted wasn't exclusive; people wouldn't be so gaga over it. But since it is, it's the best exclusive in a sea of shit.
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God if War has massive production values. It's still button mashing shit.
If production values is all someone can praise about a GAME, there's a problem.
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they should put that on the box
edit: listen, I don't give a shit about how it has great production values. good for it. if it plays boring to me, it's fucking boring.
That's not the fucking point, you dolt. You said you don't understand why it's getting all this praise, and I find that to be absolutely fucking incredible.
Anyway, weren't you just saying that it should be more about exploration? A third person adventure game with lots of exploration and search for treasure, wow that's fresh!
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no zombies no sale
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lol duckmans responses are always so predictable
call him out on his rampant fanboyism and he flips
i eagerly await your next response
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the mp in red faction is only about a thousand times better than what is in uncharted
but hey, it's ps3 exclusive so i expect you to love it no matter what
I dunno; I've been playing RFG MP and I think I might like Uncharted 2's MP better, and that's just from the beta.
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Not really excited about it either, and I loved the first game (I didn't put it down until I beat it). It just looks like a big map pack. It seems like they removed the minimal exploration from the original and replaced it with more shootin (the worst part of the first) and stealth elements (blah).
The uncharted demo was also 99% shooting and everyone was like "wtf is this shooting game!? Where is my exploration!?!"
Then the full game had a decent amount of platforming mixed with all the shooting.
I'm sure the Crash Bandicoot x Jak & Daxter guy's aren't going to completely remove platforming from their games.
I haven't watched any E3 media because I'm on media blackout for Uncharted 2 because all I need to know is that it's Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 1 was great so I'm sure this will be too.
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they should put that on the box
edit: listen, I don't give a shit about how it has great production values. good for it. if it plays boring to me, it's fucking boring.
That's not the fucking point, you dolt. You said you don't understand why it's getting all this praise, and I find that to be absolutely fucking incredible.
Anyway, weren't you just saying that it should be more about exploration? A third person adventure game with lots of exploration and search for treasure, wow that's fresh!
Jesus christ, settle down. And I'm sorry, it still looks like you're shooting shit most of the time. It doesn't matter what the premise is; if you're still shooting most of the time, it's still a shooting game.
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tbh they are wildly different so that isn't surprising
i just love the backpacks and destructible environments in red faction
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I am bit curious to find out what it is that puts Splinter Cell so far above then, if the gripe is unoriginal utilization of the perspective. Hell, Sam even moves like an action movie star these days, and apparently shoots and absorbs bullets like one too, so what are the critical differences here? Automated kill feature?
It doesn't matter what the premise is; if you're still shooting most of the time, it's still a shooting game.
And in Splinter Cell, which you apparently adore (and which I adore too), you do what, poke a stick at stuff?
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There was too much shooting in the first game, way more than exploration/platforming. It got annoying to have a gun fight every five steps. Most people complained about it too.
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this thread got really bad fast, so I'll just try and answer the op.
I don't know, I just don't understand what it's doing different than any other third person shooters out there.
If different was barometer for quality, well, it isn't. It just looks like it will be a really good third person shooter from what they've shown.
In fact, I think it's pretty disappointing that it doesn't really delve into exploration and focuses so much on shooting.
I'm not ready to believe that they won't have platforming, exploration and puzzles throughout. What was shown is what shows well, which would be the combat. Just from the beta I can tell that there is more mixing of platforming and shooting at least, so that is certainly welcomed.
I just don't really understand how this is lapping up so much praise. I think The PS3 had much better looking games at E3.
People really like third person shooters. There is that one picture for Gears 2 with the guy saying "The only bad thing about Gears 2 is that it's too good."
Personally, I'm looking forward to Uncharted 2. The first game is great and just from my experience in the multiplayer beta I know the combat is much better than it was before. It's not the game I'm most excited about later this year, but I will play it, I'll probably enjoy it a lot, I'll play co-op and ignore the versus stuff.
It does help that it looks incredibly good.
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tbh they are wildly different so that isn't surprising
i just love the backpacks and destructible environments in red faction
I do too, but my hype for the game has died down a bit. I hope the single player mode gets more in-depth with the destruction and has a lot more buildings and structures to destroy. I finished the first area and found it to be pretty mediocre, but am hoping that was meant to serve as more of a "training area" of sorts. Multiplayer has had its moments, but it's just not sucking me in like the demo did. I think I just need to play more.
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does uncharted 2 still have those bitmap explosions
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The thing about Splinter Cell is that it isn't just a repeat of the last game with new maps. They're actually trying out new gameplay in the series.
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leave it to swaggaz to bring a rational repsonse, good jon mate. I guess I see why people like it, but it's just not for me.
And in Splinter Cell, which you apparently adore (and which I adore too), you do what, poke a stick at stuff?
It's a game focused on stealth and making your kills as perfect and silent as possible. Not to mention it's doing something very different in terms of story progression.
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does uncharted 2 still have those bitmap explosions
Yes and the characters are still plastic.
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and I don't know what Sony had on the PS3 that looked better, tbh. God of War 3 was shown a lot, but that didn't impress me much, and I really liked the other God of War games. MAG, yeah, no. Heavy Rain, not so much. Ratchet and Clank 9?
The thing Sony showed that I was most impressed with was Gran Tursimo PSP, but that isn't a PS3 game. It looks insane for the PSP.
and the two games I'm surprised there isn't as much hype for are Halo ODST and Spirit Tracks. Both are this year, right? no one seems to even care, but I do! Link has an Indy style whip. Forget bad memories of Phantom Hourglass. He can swing across gaps with it, then use it against enemies. Best Zelda weapon ever.
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leave it to swaggaz to bring a rational repsonse, good jon mate. I guess I see why people like it, but it's just not for me.
And in Splinter Cell, which you apparently adore (and which I adore too), you do what, poke a stick at stuff?
It's a game focused on stealth and making your kills as perfect and silent as possible. Not to mention it's doing something very different in terms of story progression.
Looking at the gameplay demonstrations of both, Splinter Cell looks to be nearly as much of a shooter as Uncharted is. Hell, they even have the same shimmy/grab/throw move. But I'm sure Splinter Cell will have pure stealth sections too... much like Uncharted will almost certainly have sequences that don't have you platforming past a pissed off Hind, and into a collapsing building.
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MAG is so generic looking they have to rely on a multiplayer gimmick to sell it. Resistance 2's 60 player multi flopped hard, so MAG is doomed.
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Well God of War III and the Last Guardian to me looked the coolest. But I have a feeling I'm going to be very bored with God of War III once I play it, because it really doesn't look to be doing much different from the other. Eh, whatever.
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But I have a feeling I'm going to be very bored with God of War III once I play it, because it really doesn't look to be doing much different from the other.
what are your thoughts on mario galaxy 2
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It's the sequel to game that did almost nothing wrong, and a game I never became bored with. Not to mention they are doing new things with Yoshi and how he functions in the world. God of War 3, while it looks great and I'm pumped to play, really doesn't look any different than God of War II, just prettier. Eh.
Whatever, fun games are fun, games I'm bored with are boring.
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Wait, there are NINE Ratchet & Clank games?
wtfffffffffffffffffffff
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This is the sixth one from Insomniac, if you count Deadlocked (which you shouldn't)
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Wait, there are NINE Ratchet & Clank games?
wtfffffffffffffffffffff
if you count the psp games (like Secret agent Clank) then yes.
Only 6 if you count only the Insomniac ones (Deadlocked included) with this new one being the 7th
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Am I missing one, or something? I only count 6, including the new one. Ratchet, GC, UYA, Deadlocked, TOD, Crack in Time.
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Am I missing one, or something? I only count 6, including the new one. Ratchet, GC, UYA, Deadlocked, TOD, Crack in Time.
Quest for Booty since it did continue the TOD story somewhat
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No you are not the only one,all that jazz is a combination of few things:
PS3 exclusive
It will lead Sony fall "blockbuster" lineup-just like Resistance 2 did last year,demoed in the same manner at last year E3
Sony needs "big exclusive"
Its a game with big production values,how fun will it be?Don't know
If it was multi,i would be oh nice rent
All that jazz is just internet hype,it means nothing in the real world
I think that Sony wants it to be some kind of answer to Gears of War...good luck with that
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I bought the first one and got bored of it. Never understood the hype. I should have liked it, I love Indiana Jones type of stuff.
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I just can't really play Gears, Uncharted, etc without just feeling like I've played this game before.
That's fine, but I love these 3rd person cover based shooters as do many others. There really aren't as many out there as you seem to think (let alone high quality titles).
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Game looks amazing, it just jumped over Modern warfare 2 and Assassins Creed 2 on my most anticipated game of the year list.
Right behind Conviction. I was kinda like "uuhh" at the whole building level falling down, straight rip from Gears of War 2, but whatever.
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mmm while i find the mp in uncharted 2 to be lacking i played some co-op a bit ago and it seems like it could be a decent amount of fun
and i really enjoyed the first uncharted (it was just too short imo). so naturally i'm looking forward to uncharted 2 (i think it's one of the best new IP this gen)
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It was a great, action-packed demo but it saddens me a bit that they are getting even further away from the exploration bits (they've even said that themselves this E3). At least the action bits look much better and the enemies don't just come in pre-determined waves in canned arenas like 90% of the battles in the first game. Plus it doesn't hurt that this is one of the top three best-looking console games out there.
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I would have been 100x more interested if it had a lot of puzzle/platforming elements. Kinda like TR Underworld with better control and camera. But I am soooooo sick of 3rd person/first person shooters so this leaves me cold.
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first one sucked, but if this installment is more tomb raider and less gears of sahara, i'll get it
still, nathan drake is a vile character
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first one sucked, but if this installment is more tomb raider and less gears of sahara, i'll get it
still, nathan drake is a vile character
It's even more Gears of Sahara according to Garnett Lee.
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good thing there are plenty of other great games coming out like wii sports resort, the conduit, dead space extraction etc etc. enough that i don't even need to care about those other dum games
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good thing there are plenty of other great games coming out like wii sports resort, the conduit, dead space extraction etc etc. enough that i don't even need to care about those other dum games
yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying ::)
go play metal shit solid
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Dead Space Extraction looks great
It's even more Gears of Sahara according to Garnett Lee.
According to Naughty Dog, thinking it's more Gears of Sahara or whatever was a knee jerk reaction to the press conference demo. Apparently Modern Warfare 2 is now 1/3rd an ice climbing game.
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MW2 :bow
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the only third-person shooter I have ever played is Dirge of Cerberus
:bow me :bow2
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The mission they showed on stage had a really natural flow to it, and I got the same feeling from the Splinter Cell Conviction demonstration. I guess that's another thing they have in common, and that makes them both seem all the more awesome. It's going to be a good Fall for fans of action (adventure) games.
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wow @ duckman. again.
As far as being an answer to Gears, Gears 2 is such a broken shitfuck mess in multiplayer that the Uncharted beta alone is enough to surpass it.
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wow @ duckman. again.
WTF did I do now? Some dude claimed that he didn't understand why people were gassed about it, and I found that pretty incredible given the state of modern (HD) games. Direct your bitching elsewhere, it's completely off target this time.
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I dunno, it seems like a bunch of other people had no problem disagreeing with BrandNew in one post instead of flying off the handle and posting the same thing 5 times within the first 10 posts. I guess I should expect this for the next few months until you buy it, then debate even opening it or trading it in a week later.
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I dunno, it seems like a bunch of other people had no problem disagreeing with BrandNew in one post instead of flying off the handle and posting the same thing 5 times within the first 10 posts. I guess I should expect this for the next few months until you buy it, then debate even opening it or trading it in a week later.
Seems like I was maybe giving the dude some grief for making a real :wtf argument, but I guess that's just totally off-limits around here. Take your critically transparent little bloody serious policing act elsewhere.
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If we're talking about how awesome Splinter Cell looked, I can totally hype that game up more. I saw three different videos of that same missions and each one was completely different with the exception of that final area. A lot of the gameplay elements they have sound really simple too. The white outline that appears is the your last known position for the enemy, so you can let them see you there, know where they think you are, and sneak up from behind. Even the quick take down thing is based on vats like points that need to be filled up through regular take downs. So if there are four enemies in the room, you would only be able to take out three with the pistol. If you use a shotgun, that takes up even more points, but it has the added benefit of blowing a hole through cover or a door.
I'm pretty jazzed for Conviction. Only issue is that the frame rate is iffy, but it's not final yet.
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Yeah, it was pretty insane. Watching the conference playthrough was alright, but rewatching it now, there's a lot more to it than I initially gave it credit for. I'm also growing to appreciate the way they sped Sam up and tied together the motions and movements, feels more realistic for the character. I started up Chaos Theory again last night, and while I still love the game, there are some things that feel really artificial.
The framerate and tearing isn't all that great of a concern given that there is always the PC version if the console version isn't up to snuff, but I do hope they also update the enemy behavior a bit.
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first one sucked, but if this installment is more tomb raider and less gears of sahara, i'll get it
still, nathan drake is a vile character
Was just listening to 1up Yours or ListenUp or whatever the fuck it's called while I was at work today, and Adam Sessler called Nathan Drake "one of the all-time great video game characters"
oh, did i do the laughs
Also, someone on there hit almost every one of my Project Natal points, people are going to think I ripped that dude off :(
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dude raider 2: among gears
snore
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I'm guessing since this is E3, ND is focusing more on the action bits.
I agree with Sessler about Nathan Drake. One of the best character created in the video game industry. Maybe he needs a damn cat helmet on him for the bore to accept him.
The only other three characters in gaming worth mentioning are Big Boss/Solid Snake, Ryu Hayabusa and Sun Shang Xiang.
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the fact that nathan drake is now considered an amazing gaming character is a sad indictment of the lack of good characters in gaming over the last 5 years
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I like Nathan Drake because he's just a likable guy, which is SEVERELY LACKING in the game industry. All the leads are fucking silent/schizo j-emos, GARRRR space pirates, crappy anti-heros and usually just very UNLIKABLE characters in general.
That's why I like Drake and the Prince in the new PoP. They are just the comic, heroic nice guy mold that gets the girl and makes the quipps. Original? No. But far more likable than all these I grunt and kill your ass guys.
Although I think 50cent is one of the best lead characters this gen. His unintentional hilarity is amazing.
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I'm not too jazzed on Uncharted 2 but I don't have a PS3 and third person shooters aren't my thing. Drake is a decent enough character. Drake is more cheesy 80s action star/direct to video action star, which beats the hell out of what passes as video game character personalities these days.
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Nathan is a cool character, i like him. Plus i feel like i look and sound like him so when i'm playing the game it makes it all much easier for me to feel like i am the character.
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uncharted's fine
drake is an animated cliche
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the bore as a whole liked uncharted just fine, we just didn't stick fingers up our asses and wiggle them around while playing or anything:
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=14610.0
nathan drake:
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=14660.0
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No. I'm definitely excited. But I could see how someone might not be to hot on it, especially if there is a greater focus on gunplay over exploration and platforming.
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Nate is an awesome character and one of the few likable ones in a while now.
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The only standout part about him is that there is character even when playing the game. Like, just flinching when bullets are hitting the cover sell his character. Compare it to GTA4 where Niko in cutscenes and gameplay were two completely different people (both sides of Niko are still boring).
Other than that he's alright. It is the feeling that there aren't that many good characters if he is seen as one of the best. But people also think Master Chief is really cool and I don't get that either.
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The only standout part about him is that there is character even when playing the game. Like, just flinching when bullets are hitting the cover sell his character. Compare it to GTA4 where Niko in cutscenes and gameplay were two completely different people (both sides of Niko are still boring).
Other than that he's alright. It is the feeling that there aren't that many good characters if he is seen as one of the best. But people also think Master Chief is really cool and I don't get that either.
The thing about Nathan Drake is that he isn't this "iconic" image/character of a franchise, he really does act like just a natural born jackass, there's nothing "epic" about him.
Master Chief is a great character in the same way Robocop is a great character, it's just badass. Marcus Phoenix is a great character in the same way Dutch in Predator is a great character, Solid Snake because he's sorta like Batman or some shit and so on.
Those are all larger than life characters, Nathan is just much more human.
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nate's douchebag haircut, his rockin' halftuck, and terrible dialogue make him an exercise in unpleasant marketing wank
of course, as noted above, it's not like there's much better in games as a whole
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The only standout part about him is that there is character even when playing the game. Like, just flinching when bullets are hitting the cover sell his character. Compare it to GTA4 where Niko in cutscenes and gameplay were two completely different people (both sides of Niko are still boring).
Other than that he's alright. It is the feeling that there aren't that many good characters if he is seen as one of the best. But people also think Master Chief is really cool and I don't get that either.
The thing about Nathan Drake is that he isn't this "iconic" image/character of a franchise, he really does act like just a natural born jackass, there's nothing "epic" about him.
Master Chief is a great character in the same way Robocop is a great character, it's just badass. Marcus Phoenix is a great character in the same way Dutch in Predator is a great character, Solid Snake because he's sorta like Batman or some shit and so on.
Those are all larger than life characters, Nathan is just much more human.
I think that's what makes him "epic" and favourable to some. He seems to be a normal, everyday dude compared to the other characters although some of the actions he does really stretches that idea.