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Title: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 08:23:54 PM
:rock
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Ganhyun on June 16, 2009, 08:24:47 PM
this is it? I expected something truly epic and full of win and shredding.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Ganhyun on June 16, 2009, 08:25:09 PM
but still, awesome thread Bildi.


:rock
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 16, 2009, 08:25:26 PM
Whoa HOLY SHIT let's start this thang THIS IS IT


*warms up the amp engines*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 08:26:55 PM
Yeah dude, guitar's so awesome it don't need lots of bells and whistles.  Epic, win and shred incoming.

:rock
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 16, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
la

la
la
la

*ahem*

laaaaaaaaaaaa

*strum*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 16, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
*plays E5 power chord three times while muting the first two*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Ganhyun on June 16, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
listens to the thread to hear the incoming shredding.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 08:36:10 PM
Speed picking has always been a noticeable void in my playing.  But this vid inspired me a couple of months back to give it a decent shot, maybe it will do so for others liking that sort of thing.

[youtube=560,345]oW1JveshnJg
[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 08:53:06 PM
I'm not into Buckethead, but I heard this song the other day and really liked it.

[youtube=560,345]IOTNawTlE38[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 16, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
Whenever I think of Buckethead song I imagine random heavy parts mixed in with ultra-offbeat emotional riffs.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 09:02:21 PM
Same here.  I think of weird atonal noodling.  I can't really get interested in it.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
Tune low E down to D and pound
E
|0-------
|2-------
|3-------
|0-------
|0-------
|0-------
D

Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 16, 2009, 09:08:33 PM
Same here.  I think of weird atonal noodling.  I can't really get interested in it.

How about some real good music then?


[youtube=560,345]KN1V3-mbg2A[/youtube]


Do you know this song?


:rock
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 16, 2009, 09:35:45 PM
Guitards :teehee
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 09:38:54 PM
I'm not so much into Yngwie's music but respect him a bunch. 

I never heard that song but it rocked.  I like when he does more bluesy stuff and just adds the neoclassical stuff for a bit of spice.

Tune low E down to D and pound

I think my next electric will be a fixed bridge so I can do more alternate tunings.  I only have floating trems at the moment.  Speaking of drop D, my favourite classical guitarist playing a piece by my favourite classical guitar composer.  In DROP D :rock

[youtube=560,345]Frgys8HZbWs[/youtube]

Ah fuck, there's talking all over it.  Eh, whatever.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2009, 09:49:29 PM
Quote
I think my next electric will be a fixed bridge so I can do more alternate tunings.

I never had a problem with my floating trem. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 16, 2009, 09:57:52 PM
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I think my next electric will be a fixed bridge so I can do more alternate tunings.

I never had a problem with my floating trem. *shrugs*

It's just a bitch if it's locked undoing those nuts with an allen key going back and forth between tuning.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 10:00:32 PM
I just mean you can't do a quick alternate tuning or drop D on the spot unless the trem is blocked.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 16, 2009, 10:02:15 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV3bLZLpqTQ[/youtube]

Keaggy's the master of using acoustic guitar and effects and downtuning mid song to do a bass line and so much else. You owe it to yourself to check him out, guitards.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 16, 2009, 10:09:02 PM
The dude is definitely inventive.  Cool stuff.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: drohne on June 16, 2009, 11:49:29 PM
i changed the strings on my acoustic and now it buzzes like fuck when i use a capo :'(
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 12:19:21 AM
Adrian Legg is so technically good he makes me sick. Disregard the genre and watch what he's actually doing. There are better examples, but I can't spend much time on Youtube because of my mobile bandwidth cap. He gets really crazy in some songs, using the tuning heads to play instead of frets at some points.

[youtube=560,345]gd4uVwxsSHk[/youtube]

Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2009, 12:51:29 AM
Quote
I think my next electric will be a fixed bridge so I can do more alternate tunings.

I never had a problem with my floating trem. *shrugs*

It's just a bitch if it's locked undoing those nuts with an allen key going back and forth between tuning.

Leave the bottom E and A unlocked.  :-*

Drop it and fine tune on the tremelo.  :-*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 12:51:36 AM
:bow Adrian Legg

I'm reminded of another acoustic great, Tommy Emmanuel (song starts around 3:00-3:30).

[youtube=560,345]1tN2LuMQjMo[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 17, 2009, 12:52:08 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7wagf26gJ4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2009, 01:00:41 AM
Thats fucking awesome bildi!!  :o
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 01:00:47 AM
Leave the bottom E and A unlocked.  :-*

Drop it and fine tune on the tremelo.  :-*

Are you using a fully floating trem where you have to retune all strings, or a trem that just goes down where retuning one string doesn't affect the others?

If you are retuning on a fully floating trem, you are indeed a determined and patient fellow! :)
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 01:20:02 AM
Holy crap at that Don Ross song.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 17, 2009, 02:13:37 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VAbrnjdtYw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Trent Dole on June 17, 2009, 02:22:35 AM
[youtube=560,345]1JBzWZq4fXg[/youtube]
:rock
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 02:35:59 AM
I love those "shreds" vids.  This is one of my faves:

[youtube=560,345]aiXR9ggRdFI[/youtube]

Also, the classic Petrucci Psycho Exercises.

[youtube=560,345]evTTHS9hwvU[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]_pJ1ccnC1GI[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]SKMYeXkYcgs[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 08:35:34 AM
Tell me about some of your favourite gear, boritos.  I still love playing my main electric, an Ibanez.  I got it in 1997 after much penny-pinching.

(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/Bildi777/evilbore/20050723_001639.jpg)

Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 10:40:01 AM
I miss my old Les Paul, which was stolen a few years back and never replaced. I'm still bouncing between my new Parker and my Godin hybrid electric, and a no-name classical. I've recently downgraded my amp, as I'm not doing live shows at the moment and haven't in a bit, and had a friend who needed one badly, so I swapped him my Marshall head and cabinet for his Peavy Bandit and some cash. I figure I'll pick up another Marshall cabinet down the road if I need it, or look into something completely different. The Line 6 stuff has always intrigued me.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2009, 10:59:18 AM
[youtube=560,345]1JBzWZq4fXg[/youtube]
:rock

Is this a joke?   ???

Because that was awful.  :lol
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 17, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
How about some real shredding?


[youtube=560,345]1UQ_ZhC-1CU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Tauntaun on June 17, 2009, 11:32:57 AM
I miss my old Les Paul, which was stolen a few years back and never replaced. I'm still bouncing between my new Parker and my Godin hybrid electric, and a no-name classical. I've recently downgraded my amp, as I'm not doing live shows at the moment and haven't in a bit, and had a friend who needed one badly, so I swapped him my Marshall head and cabinet for his Peavy Bandit and some cash. I figure I'll pick up another Marshall cabinet down the road if I need it, or look into something completely different. The Line 6 stuff has always intrigued me.

Eh, I'd stay far far away from that crap.  :wag  Would you be looking to get tube or solid state and how much would you spend?
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 11:49:55 AM
Eh, I'd stay far far away from that crap.  :wag  Would you be looking to get tube or solid state and how much would you spend?

Not sure yet, more a hypothetical situation at this point, if I start doing live gigs again. I haven`t checked much into the Line 6 heads and cabs yet, but a few folks I know have had decent experiences with them.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Tauntaun on June 17, 2009, 12:20:36 PM
Eh, I'd stay far far away from that crap.  :wag  Would you be looking to get tube or solid state and how much would you spend?

Not sure yet, more a hypothetical situation at this point, if I start doing live gigs again. I haven`t checked much into the Line 6 heads and cabs yet, but a few folks I know have had decent experiences with them.

I know some people who use them but every time I've tried them they feel like shoddy craftsmanship. 
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 12:22:59 PM
Interesting. Yeah, I`ve never played one myself, but I`ve been curious just based on second-hand accounts.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 05:24:36 PM
I think the Line 6s are worth a look, but I have to agree a couple of people I know who have tried them have not been over the moon.  I never tried them much myself.

Peavey Bandits are frickin' awesome.  I've had one for I don't know how long and they're awesome for at home. :rock

A friend of mine picked up a Hughes & Kettner head a while back after searching for a few years for his tonal nirvana, and I must admit, it sounds pretty darn amazing.  Kind of expensive, although it does have very pretty lights which has to be worth at least a grand or two.

If you've got pics of your new Parker and the Godin I'd love to see them sometime.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 05:36:01 PM
Here's the Parker, it's a pic I've posted before, taken the night it was given to me. Mine's the burgundy on the left, friend kept the charcoal on the right. He picked me up one as a gift.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/hotgraham/DSC00117.jpg)

I don't have any pics of my Godin on hand, but she's a bit weather-beaten. It was my primary guitar for live shows in the early 2000's. Missing a tone knob that I have yet to replace. I'll snap a pic tonight if I have time.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
Shiiiiiit, that's nice.  How do you find the sound compared to say your old Les Paul?

(Sorry that was stolen BTW :()
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 05:42:55 PM
Pretty nice. It weighs nothing, yet gets the deeper tones that I tend to like quite well. The weight was actually the weirdest part of it for me, having always owned/played heavier guitars.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 17, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
I love these acoustic videos you guys posted. Makes me wish bass could do anything nearly as cool.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 17, 2009, 06:20:06 PM
I love these acoustic videos you guys posted. Makes me wish bass could do anything nearly as cool.

What did you think of the song I posted? (Yngwie Malmsteen - Blue)
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 17, 2009, 06:22:08 PM
I love these acoustic videos you guys posted. Makes me wish bass could do anything nearly as cool.

Did you not wind up picking up a cheap acoustic, Meth? I thought I remembered you mentioning that you were planning to.

edit: Powerslave, I still have Rising Force and Marching Out on vinyl kicking around at my house somewhere from when I was younger.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 17, 2009, 06:24:34 PM
^same question goes to you muckhole!
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 17, 2009, 06:25:20 PM
I was but everytime I pick up this really old acoustic I have I get turned off because it's so hard to play because of the bridge

 :-\

also one of my friends is a Yngie fan so I've seen that Blue video before but it's still a classic.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 06:27:12 PM
I'm reminded of this awesome bass guitar:

[youtube=560,345]N2xmPmEbY48[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 17, 2009, 06:28:57 PM
Blue is amazing.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 17, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
Once you get to that level it's not really a bass guitar anymore is it  :-\


You guys should make a bass thread that way we can show Wooten videos <3
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 06:35:37 PM
I guess so, but I was just thinking of the sweet, sweet sounds that can come out of a bass when you play more than a single note line and was reminded of that vid.

I love this vid of Yngwie showing his guitars.

[youtube=560,345]rEvRDC-mGmg[/youtube]

Everyone always says "OMG how can he just drop that rare strat?!"  He's Yngwie noobs, he does WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2009, 10:08:01 PM
Joe Satriani is one of my faves and this is some of my faves from him:
[youtube=560,345]a5xzSjgatP8[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]JDiXVYcGsFw[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]u3kWuTJsO_o[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 17, 2009, 10:18:47 PM
This is one of my recent favorites. It has a great complex as shit guitar riff. I think you guys will dig it:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cc1653G4Cs[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
:omg Rubina is one of my favourite songs of his too.  I think this was one of the first 'hard' songs I learned, I practiced for so long I think I can still remember that little legato riff in the middle note for note.  Everyone learns Always With Me Always With You first, but I think this is an even nicer song.

Do you still listen to his stuff Zero?  I haven't bought the last CD as I'm a little unimpressed but I thought Super Colossal was some of the best stuff he's ever done.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2009, 10:29:51 PM
:omg Rubina is one of my favourite songs of his too.  I think this was one of the first 'hard' songs I learned, I practiced for so long I think I can still remember that little legato riff in the middle note for note.  Everyone learns Always With Me Always With You first, but I think this is an even nicer song.

Do you still listen to his stuff Zero?  I haven't bought the last CD as I'm a little unimpressed but I thought Super Colossal was some of the best stuff he's ever done.
I don't know if it was me or him, but I kind of lost track after Time Machine.

You love Rubina too? :-*  I believe that is his wife's name and it is a beautiful song, especially live.

I can't take much of the recorded(canned) shit anymore. Live is where it's at with these guys.
 :-*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 10:42:48 PM
I waned for a long time too, but Super Colossal was full of great hooks, I was a little blown away I admit.  In any case, nobody rocks live like Satch live.  Even if it's a song I don't like, it's still awesome live.

One of my faves from that era (bitchin' live orchestra version):

[youtube=560,345]9IrWyZ0KZuk[/youtube]

Mildly amusing story: I had this DVD on a while ago and my mum was visiting.  I said "doesn't this sound great" and she said, "yeah, I don't like that song".  I was mildly shocked because I had no idea she didn't like it.  I butchered it for years in my bedroom when I was younger, and all that time my poor mum had to endure a song she doesn't even like.

That's probably why she hates it. :(
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 17, 2009, 10:45:27 PM
Atleast your mom doesn't constantly tell you to get a real hobby  :-\
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 10:53:31 PM
That's a shame, music is a great hobby.  I just watched that Little Feat vid, love hearing cool stuff I've never heard before. :rock
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 17, 2009, 10:59:16 PM
I think she only says that because it's a bass.  >:(
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 17, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 29, 2009, 03:23:27 AM
A sweet little acoustic piece I just found.

[youtube=560,345]Yl0r7h3W-Wc[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: muckhole on June 29, 2009, 10:32:48 AM
A sweet little acoustic piece I just found.

Holy crap.  :bow2

*Goes to practice scales*
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 30, 2009, 02:11:27 PM
It makes me wonder, just how the hell do they manage to just jam like that. I know it's scales but I have trouble jamming within one scale and having it sound too much alike. Jeesh.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 30, 2009, 09:01:51 PM
I'm not really sure what level you are at methodis, or if this really helps, but when I used to teach I noticed there is a period when you start using scales properly in improvision, but your improvising doesn't sound like a melody, more like scales going up and down.  If that's you, some things I found can help:

- stick to just two, three or four notes and make a strong melody that repeats frequently, like in the verse of a song.  Most listeners needs something for their ear to latch on to, otherwise they won't be attached to, or understand what you're playing.  Keep coming back to it in your improvisation session and build around it.

- if you want to do a scale-like run, the context of it is important, but also how you begin and/or end it is fairly critical.  If it just ends at the top of the scale, it'll tend to sound like a scale, but if the few notes after it are well chosen, it will become integrated into the melody.
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 30, 2009, 10:02:03 PM
I think the main problem I have is more that i'm doing the same thing. They don't sound like going up and down the scale as it's not really a descending order. I just have trouble moving from scale to scale as I have no clue how to do it (although I guess it has to do with Octaves)
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Powerslave on June 30, 2009, 10:12:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]uZM0EGBdHOw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Guitar thread
Post by: Bildi on June 30, 2009, 11:42:01 PM
:lol WTF.

I think the main problem I have is more that i'm doing the same thing. They don't sound like going up and down the scale as it's not really a descending order. I just have trouble moving from scale to scale as I have no clue how to do it (although I guess it has to do with Octaves)

When you say moving from scale to scale do you mean changing keys like from a C Major to a G Major scale?  Or do you mean just moving around within one key?

Moving between keys is complex and jazz musicians spend their whole lives becoming proficient at it.  Moving around within one key is far easier though, and generally a matter of learning shapes that let you move around how you would like initially.  If you find you're locked within a position and have trouble moving up and down the neck, a couple of shapes that move up and down the neck would help.

Knowing where octaves are is also very useful, but you may find you end up with gaps where you're not sure what notes to play if you use that as the only way to get around the neck.