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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: The Fake Shemp on June 25, 2009, 02:36:43 PM

Title: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 25, 2009, 02:36:43 PM
"The dictionary defines Natal as being a relation to birth. I guess that Project Natal is supposed to represent the birth of a new era of gaming. Unfortunately, Project Natal is more of a birth defect than it is a step into the next generation." (http://www.nextgn.com/2009/06/25/natal-could-be-xboxs-death-sentence-oh-the-irony/)

Now that's what I call an editorial written for GAF!
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 25, 2009, 02:54:01 PM
That article is pure shit but it is a death sentence for me.  The end of real gaming and the start of gesticulating in front of a camera, waggling like an idiot, and gimmicks over gameplay.

PSP may be the last pure gaming experience left.  Although Sony is trying to kill it with the Go.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Akala on June 25, 2009, 03:03:46 PM
That site has a whole tab in the header for Uncharted 2.  :lol

As for Natal, I put zero faith in it as an add-on, or if it drives prices of a pack up too much. Actually, I think the only way it could succeed is if it was included with a new system. If it was $50 or so, it could hit M+ levels of user base. Over $100 stand alone addition to the current xbox makes it the next 32X.

I kind of think this is a focus test in the vein of the PSPgo. Testing the waters and building a foundation for the next round.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2009, 03:26:36 PM
So long xbox. It was a good ride while it lasted. Maybe next time, k?
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: chronovore on June 26, 2009, 07:11:02 AM
"The dictionary defines Natal as being a relation to birth. I guess that Project Natal is supposed to represent the birth of a new era of gaming. Unfortunately, Project Natal is more of a birth defect than it is a step into the next generation." (http://www.nextgn.com/2009/06/25/natal-could-be-xboxs-death-sentence-oh-the-irony/)

Now that's what I call an editorial written for GAF!

I'm torn between calling them a bonehead, and my excitement at seeing a risk-taking, judgmental opinion reported on a games news site instead of the guarded, mealy-mouthed, non-statements that usually are found there. Previews usually feature this in the conclusion: "Aside from $issue, if everything works out for $title, it's shaping up to be a pretty decent entry in $genre."
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: ManaByte on June 26, 2009, 07:25:33 AM
Who are these people?

PS3 fanboys.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Trent Dole on June 26, 2009, 12:21:12 PM
yay, fud.  :elephant
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: M3wThr33 on June 26, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
The Vision Camera didn't kill shit.
If Natal fails or doesn't have appeal it won't ruin anything.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: brawndolicious on June 26, 2009, 04:04:04 PM
I seriously just don't see this getting a lot of support.  Especially as we're nearing the last couple years before xbox 3 announced and developers want to switch their resources over to that.  My guess is that the next xbox will have natal packed in as an "optional" controller for developers and there will be a couple of games at launch that use it.  Most likely casual games because publishers need to be prudent and get some mass market appeal for the device at launch.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: ManaByte on June 26, 2009, 04:08:14 PM
I seriously just don't see this getting a lot of support.  Especially as we're nearing the last couple years before xbox 3 announced and developers want to switch their resources over to that.  My guess is that the next xbox will have natal packed in as an "optional" controller for developers and there will be a couple of games at launch that use it.  Most likely casual games because publishers need to be prudent and get some mass market appeal for the device at launch.

Or it could end up like the Wii. The Wiimote was developed as a GameCube controller (but never released) and became standard on the next console. The next Xbox could be Natal only.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: ch1nchilla on June 27, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
Or it could end up like the Wii. The Wiimote was developed as a GameCube controller (but never released) and became standard on the next console. The next Xbox could be Natal only.

That shit would piss me off in a major way.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: brawndolicious on June 27, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
You must really hate yourself to think that the next xbox could be natal only.  MS knows that they don't have the butt-steering racing games market, so they'll just keep natal as an accessory.  Not as the main experience.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Bildi on June 27, 2009, 09:33:56 PM
I was playing my Wii last night after not playing it for a long time and it really drove home how Natal is missing the best thing about the Wii - the pointer.

MS missed the boat so hard by trying to differentiate themselves and be 'better'.  Sony had the better idea - just copy for now.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: ch1nchilla on June 27, 2009, 11:18:10 PM
Outside of the traditional Christmas / New Years "get drunk as hell and play Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles" session, I haven't played any Wii in over a year. Thinking about playing through Twilight Princess since I never finished, but it's unlikely.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Bildi on June 28, 2009, 12:03:12 AM
I started playing Okami.  I bought it ages ago but never really played it.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: tiesto on June 28, 2009, 01:25:53 AM
Outside of the traditional Christmas / New Years "get drunk as hell and play Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles" session, I haven't played any Wii in over a year. Thinking about playing through Twilight Princess since I never finished, but it's unlikely.

If you haven't played the PS1 version, play Klonoa, it's pretty fun.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: ch1nchilla on June 28, 2009, 08:02:52 AM
Outside of the traditional Christmas / New Years "get drunk as hell and play Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles" session, I haven't played any Wii in over a year. Thinking about playing through Twilight Princess since I never finished, but it's unlikely.

If you haven't played the PS1 version, play Klonoa, it's pretty fun.

Was thinking about picking that and Madworld up, but I have more important things to buy, for now at least.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Bacchus7 on June 28, 2009, 08:06:36 AM
Gay
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 28, 2009, 04:16:16 PM
I was playing my Wii last night after not playing it for a long time and it really drove home how Natal is missing the best thing about the Wii - the pointer.

MS missed the boat so hard by trying to differentiate themselves and be 'better'.  Sony had the better idea - just copy for now.

Tiger Woods with m+ is the shit.  The only two waggle games prior that I enjoyed motion control were excitebots and kororinpa 2.  Those just read tilt though, but m+ is the tactile and accurate experience when the first wii concept trailer was shown 3 years ago.

As for Natal, I think Microsoft has the right idea.  Very rarely does one take someone elses same idea and marketing and win consumers.  Its really nintendo's work to keep folks interested in waggle and no one else. However,  I think its a little too much like eyetoy at a glance.  All Sony has to do is remind buyers the peripheral exists.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: The Sceneman on June 29, 2009, 08:14:49 AM
(http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/pics6/farmyardparty-wii-misery-1a.jpg)
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2009, 12:00:55 PM
(http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/pics6/farmyardparty-wii-misery-1a.jpg)

Phoenix Games?
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Bildi on June 29, 2009, 07:59:17 PM
I was playing my Wii last night after not playing it for a long time and it really drove home how Natal is missing the best thing about the Wii - the pointer.

MS missed the boat so hard by trying to differentiate themselves and be 'better'.  Sony had the better idea - just copy for now.

Tiger Woods with m+ is the shit.  The only two waggle games prior that I enjoyed motion control were excitebots and kororinpa 2.  Those just read tilt though, but m+ is the tactile and accurate experience when the first wii concept trailer was shown 3 years ago.

As for Natal, I think Microsoft has the right idea.  Very rarely does one take someone elses same idea and marketing and win consumers.  Its really nintendo's work to keep folks interested in waggle and no one else. However,  I think its a little too much like eyetoy at a glance.  All Sony has to do is remind buyers the peripheral exists.

Waggle is good when done right.  Wii Sports has some good things, and I imagine Kororinpa and Boom Blox are excellent (I don't have either yet, but would like to get the sequels of both).  I really don't like flicking (like attacking in Zelda or Okami), it tends to be pretty stressful on my wrist.

But yeah, I love the pointer when it's used in menus or for aiming.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on June 30, 2009, 12:18:28 AM
I think Wii Sports is very overated in terms of control.  The only tennis motion I can do reliably is a lob.  Batting and bowling are just sleight of hand trickery and don't work as advertised.  Golf doesn't do draw and fade.  Boxing is total shit.  Its fun for parties but Excitetruck was really the flagship waggle title.  Ever since then only the pointer was put to good use for new and reliable controls.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: The Sceneman on June 30, 2009, 04:09:03 AM
(http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/pics6/farmyardparty-wii-misery-1a.jpg)

Phoenix Games?

I dunno, I just thought it was a fucked Barnyard Party if only pigs were there. Where are the cows, chickens etc?
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 30, 2009, 08:32:37 AM
four legs good, two legs better
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2009, 10:44:45 AM
four legs good, two legs better

Some are more equal than others.
Title: Re: "Natal Could be Xbox's Death Sentence"
Post by: Chussy Pacer on July 03, 2009, 07:28:26 PM
I'll buy this day one simply for the media control, not really interested in controlling games with it though.