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Title: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Billy Rygar on August 04, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
bobobobobobobobobo Bill Clinton

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/north-korean-tv-coverage-of-clinton-visit/ (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/north-korean-tv-coverage-of-clinton-visit/)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on August 04, 2009, 04:39:44 PM
:american
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 04, 2009, 04:39:57 PM
:bow Clinton

 :pimp
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: ManaByte on August 04, 2009, 04:43:14 PM
I wonder how many times he whipped out the Arkansas Anaconda?

He just gave Kim Jong Il a lifetime all access pass to his private harem.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
I wonder how many times he whipped out the Arkansas Anaconda?

He just gave Kim Jong Il a lifetime all access pass to his private harem.

More like nuclear secrets
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Akala on August 04, 2009, 04:48:41 PM
I wonder how many times he whipped out the Arkansas Anaconda?

There has never been a need to whip it out twice.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 04, 2009, 04:53:58 PM
If anyone has pull at any newspapers I want at least one headline to read:

"Bill Clinton Gets Two Female Reporters Off"

Paging the NY Post
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 04, 2009, 05:30:11 PM
Bill traded nudes of Janet Reno. Kim Jong rolls like that.

Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Diunx on August 04, 2009, 05:41:30 PM
The orginal American president!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: archie4208 on August 04, 2009, 05:46:40 PM
Our first black president gets the job done. :american
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Bloodwake on August 04, 2009, 05:48:53 PM
Clinton FTW
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: GilloD on August 04, 2009, 05:57:04 PM
Haha. distinguished mentally-challenged fellows on Free Republic are saying ZOMG OBAMA ADMIN NEGOTIOATES WITH TERRORRORORORORORORORISTSTSTSTS
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: demi on August 04, 2009, 06:16:05 PM
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/04/world/asia/04lede_ling.190.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on August 04, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
Clinton's going to have a party at the White House Hot Tub...  :-*

[youtube=560,345]Nl4EpLYnr5k[/youtube]
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 08:33:18 PM
Haha. distinguished mentally-challenged fellows on Free Republic are saying ZOMG OBAMA ADMIN NEGOTIOATES WITH TERRORRORORORORORORORISTSTSTSTS

Some of them are ignoring that it happened and just focusing on, "LOOK OUT REPORTERS, BUBBA WILL RAPE YOU *he got a blowjob*"
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 04, 2009, 11:23:59 PM
The dude is bucking for his wife's job, i think. Great result.

He also did a bang-up job of getting the Northern Ireland peace process back on track, for which he earned my undying respect.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 05, 2009, 12:14:34 AM
This is the guy republicans tried to impeach right?

Filthy librul indeed.

He released those two criminals back on to the streets, definitely a liberal.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Bocsius on August 05, 2009, 01:42:59 AM
It was the least he could do since it was his veep that got them pinched in the first place.

But you know who would have resolved this dispute long ago?

Doug Masters.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2009, 01:55:31 AM
But you know who would have resolved this dispute long ago?

Doug Masters.

You just lost a refinery!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Bocsius on August 05, 2009, 10:12:02 AM
Give the kid a F-16 and some rock & roll, and stay out of his way.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Tauntaun on August 05, 2009, 10:26:19 AM
Bill Clinton whatever, I just want to suck wine out of cohen's belly button!  :drool  :hump
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
this almost makes up for the fact that he passed up the chance to capture bin laden
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: E-DuB on August 05, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
I wonder how many times he whipped out the Arkansas Anaconda?

Once, when he whipped it out at the bargaining table.
The meeting lasted another four minutes with Il Jong eventually conceding to all of Clinton's requests.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sex related or otherwise :tauntaun
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Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 05, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
My mom just told me she overheard a women at her gym talk about this, complaining about the following things:

1) "Why is he doing his wife's job???  Just goes to show how much this administration is failing."
2) "What's that journalist doing over there in the first place with a four year old child here?  What a terrible mother."
3) "I betcha anything it was my tax dollars that paid for that plane to fly over there for him to do this nonsense.

jesus christ
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Crushed on August 05, 2009, 10:27:15 PM
i just saw two political cartoons already lambasting clinton for being a pussy, he shouldn't have talked to north korea, he's just bowing to kim jong il

holy shit these people
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Rman on August 06, 2009, 03:02:02 AM
i just saw two political cartoons already lambasting clinton for being a pussy, he shouldn't have talked to north korea, he's just bowing to kim jong il

holy shit these people
Oy vey!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 06, 2009, 08:50:14 AM
If this was Jimmy Carter or George I getting the job done nobody would be batting an eyelash.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2009, 09:42:50 AM
If this was Jimmy Carter or George I getting the job done nobody would be batting an eyelash.

Don't kid yourself.  Republicans would lose their shit if Carter did this.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2009, 12:22:05 PM
I'd much rather make him less than pissy at the moment so we can have two American parents back in the country, the way they should be.  Dickwad.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2009, 03:22:25 PM
I bet Bill banged both of them
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
I just saw the video today tho

bush must be spinning in his grave
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2009, 04:27:24 PM
If paying tribute to him results in not the death of millions of North Koreans I'm perfectly ok with that.

Arvie couldn't have phrased that any worse.  :lol
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Barry Egan on August 06, 2009, 05:28:18 PM
I know right? Why don't you just exercise your liberty citizens of North Korea you helpless fucks.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 06, 2009, 05:32:20 PM

 If the people of North Korea want to not live in a shitty third world hellhole, I suggest they look to a model other than communist dictatorship and make that happen.

Even Americans haven't done that! they've had 8 months!
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2009, 07:04:30 PM
Yup, only a wall would consider it to be less than ideal for our leaders to give out the product of everyone's labor to some completely non-threatening individual that's trying to coerce them.

Why, it's wholly rational to do so, even.  Silly walls.

Of course it's less than ideal, but most of us realize that the ideal is often unattainable and we must choose a bad option over a worse one. You refuse to make such unhappy choices and instead retreat to libertopia, an island where people and nations are never interdependent, an island where you can simply ignore a problem and hope that someone else handles it.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
What is so unattainable about ignoring Kim Jong Il?  It's a pretty simple thing to do, actually.

Obviously countries can ignore him, but countries can't expect to ignore him and prevent his people from starving.


For that matter, how is ignoring him worse?  Or, what needs to be "handled?"

Ignoring him is worse because without aid, North Koreans will die, that is, unless they "look to a model other than communist dictatorship and make that happen." Because that is very realistic.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Oblivion on August 06, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
Mass starvation?

Meh, they can walk it off.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 06, 2009, 08:09:41 PM
Holy Fuck you're a tool JayDubya
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2009, 08:42:36 PM
Uh-huh?  As an autocrat, that's his responsibility.
He's indifferent to the suffering of his own people, so we can't be.

Revolutions don't happen?  Well, they're certainly less likely when you continue to prop up the impotent and incompetent current regime with aid, so maybe you're right, it's not realistic to hope for that as long as we keep doing our part to prevent that.
Is there any reason to expect a revolution in a place that resembles 1984's Oceania. The people are completely oppressed and they lack an educated, semi-wealthy middle class that can actually organize a revolution.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Barry Egan on August 06, 2009, 08:47:55 PM
blah blah blah blah blah
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 08:58:21 PM
Yup, only a wall would consider it to be less than ideal for our leaders to give out the product of everyone's labor to some completely non-threatening individual that's trying to coerce them.

Why, it's wholly rational to do so, even.  Silly walls.

Of course it's less than ideal, but most of us realize that the ideal is often unattainable and we must choose a bad option over a worse one. You refuse to make such unhappy choices and instead retreat to libertopia, an island where people and nations are never interdependent, an island where you can simply ignore a problem and hope that someone else handles it.

What is so unattainable about ignoring Kim Jong Il?  It's a pretty simple thing to do, actually.

For that matter, how is ignoring him worse?  Or, what needs to be "handled?"

All of us in Tokyo would quite like not to have a nuclear warhead dropped on our heads thank you very much.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: demi on August 06, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
He's not even asian either. You simply chose... poorly.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:03:03 PM
yeah, but you guys are not america and thus have nothing to do with our island nation in any way, shape, or form.

Actually, you americans are the only thing preventing it (the military base in Okinawa).
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2009, 09:06:31 PM
Uh-huh?  As an autocrat, that's his responsibility.
He's indifferent to the suffering of his own people, so we can't be.

And that's why we give him money and oil?  :smug

I can't quite figure out how the topic of moral responsibility is furthered by impeaching the motives of politicians.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:07:46 PM
ah, the foot-thick cladding of irony in every post...i've missed you Genghis :heartbeat
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 06, 2009, 09:13:26 PM
Which is or is not a byproduct of said Americans forbidding Japan from having a normal military?

Japan continues to spend more on its military than all but a handful of countries.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
yeah, but you guys are not america and thus have nothing to do with our island nation in any way, shape, or form.

Actually, you americans are the only thing preventing it (the military base in Okinawa).

Which is or is not a byproduct of said Americans forbidding Japan from having a normal military?  It's just not neccessary for us to still have bases in Japan sixty four years later.  It's also expensive.

Hmm, have you ever played Risk? It might illuminate the advantages of having your army in a solid strategic position, rather than on the other side of the world. Your armies are expensive wherever the hell they are btw.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
Which is or is not a byproduct of said Americans forbidding Japan from having a normal military?

Japan continues to spend more on its military than all but a handful of countries.

I think you mean 'Self Defense Force'  :shh
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
Is it any wonder Kim Jong Il coughed up the booty? He just wants a ride in a giant Gundam before he kicks the bucket.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:19:54 PM
yeah, but you guys are not america and thus have nothing to do with our island nation in any way, shape, or form.

Actually, you americans are the only thing preventing it (the military base in Okinawa).

Which is or is not a byproduct of said Americans forbidding Japan from having a normal military?  It's just not neccessary for us to still have bases in Japan sixty four years later.  It's also expensive.

Hmm, have you ever played Risk? It might illuminate the advantages of having your army in a solid strategic position, rather than on the other side of the world. Your armies are expensive wherever the hell they are btw.

Risk is a world domination game...

...

Yeah, I'll let you stew about that one a second and get back to me.

Which is the world's dominant superpower? Hmm
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:24:41 PM
lordy, you have exposed Risk as a less-than-perfect simulacrum of the global economic and political ecosystem. You're rollin' now kiddo.

I take it you're conceding the point that the base in Okinawa has served America's interests admirably over the years by giving it a handy post from which to lob nukes at Vietnam, North Korea, China...? Or are you impenetrably thick.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:43:47 PM
"Interests" maybe, but not so much "defense."

Gee, what country near Japan has invaded America...I know, JAPAN
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 09:50:57 PM
Waitaminnit, are you one of those people who thinks a weapon is only demonstrably useful if you've shot and killed someone with it recently? 
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2009, 10:27:05 PM
Fine. Neither am I.

I also don't have life insurance, but I can see why life insurance is a good investment. Small outlay, potential big payoff when it's needed. The base in Okinawa has been, by the simple measure of continued defence of US interests, a solid investment for the US and a huge, fantastic, wonderful WHOPPER of a deal for Japan.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2009, 10:45:48 PM
JayDubya is just Mandark's troll account, stop responding
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 07, 2009, 04:03:05 PM
I take issue with the concept of life insurance. How would I even collect it?!! Money pit
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 07, 2009, 04:13:36 PM
Is it any wonder Kim Jong Il coughed up the booty? He just wants a ride in a giant Gundam before he kicks the bucket.

Don't we all?

Wait, that's just me.

 :(
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 07, 2009, 07:53:26 PM
Hillary ethers John Bolton (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/hillary-clinton-laughs-of_n_254167.html)
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: chronovore on August 08, 2009, 04:32:08 PM
I ethered Michael Bolton.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 08, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2009, 07:45:40 PM
Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.

If you're saying that people have different perspectives regarding ethics, no shit.

However...

a) are you, despite all reason and precedent, somehow suggesting that you and yours don't make arguments based on your own subjective ethics?

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

Well let's bomb those gooks to freedom!

Or even better, let's ignore them! Once the country succombed to famine, we think of all the starving people and touch ourselves at night because we know we stuck to our principles.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2009, 08:45:19 PM
Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.

If you're saying that people have different perspectives regarding ethics, no shit.

However...

a) are you, despite all reason and precedent, somehow suggesting that you and yours don't make arguments based on your own subjective ethics?

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

Well let's bomb those gooks to freedom!

Or even better, let's ignore them! Once the country succombed to famine, we think of all the starving people and touch ourselves at night because we know we stuck to our principles.

Indeed, ideological purity is always better than, you know, getting shit done.  Ask the Whigs how that worked for them.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on August 09, 2009, 04:00:03 AM
Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.

If you're saying that people have different perspectives regarding ethics, no shit.

However...

a) are you, despite all reason and precedent, somehow suggesting that you and yours don't make arguments based on your own subjective ethics?

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

No its not about different perspectives.  There is a way things are, and the way things people wish they were.  Neurotics obsess over hypothetical and unrealistic standards.

edit: And really it all comes down to empathy.  I'm certain those giving aid are aware of the dilemma and do so begrudginly.  But someone with empathy will probably default to feeding starving kids instead of solely spiting Kim Jong Ill.  And sometime down the road those with influence can see how maleable Kim is and whether aggression is required.  For now lets not put the responsibility of revolt in the hands of a literal proletariat and blame them for being malnutritioned, broken, and brainwashed from birth.
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: Mandark on August 09, 2009, 05:43:05 AM
b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

What's the counterfactual?  One where you bring down the regime by refusing to prop it up?

So you've now got a population of ~20 million without the means to feed itself or any semblance of a civil society, but awash with weapons and ammunition.  A power vacuum, with no alternate sources of authority and no institutions that could facilitate a peaceful political process.

Situations like that don't get resolved without a lot of violence.  We're talking massive bloodshed, probably for several years, which almost certainly ends when the winner becomes the new dictator.

What, exactly, makes this scenario "productive"?
Title: Re: Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea
Post by: brawndolicious on August 09, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
I wouldn't bet on South Korea having any interest in the territory either.