THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: pilonv1 on September 26, 2009, 01:38:06 AM

Title: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: pilonv1 on September 26, 2009, 01:38:06 AM
http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-keiji-inafune-dumps-on-tokyo-game-show-2009-149909.phtml

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At a hands-on event for Dead Rising 2, producer Keiji Inafune (father of Mega Man) had some not-so-nice-words about this year's Tokyo Game Show.

After asking the crowd of attendees what they thought of TGS this year (and urging them to be honest in their responses), Inafune expressed disappointment in this year's show and its games line-up.

"Personally when I looked around [at] all the different games at the TGS floor," Capcom's Ben Judd translated Inafune, "I said 'Man, Japan is over. We're done. Our game industry is finished.'"

However, he then uses Capcom's upcoming titles as an example of "kick ass" games coming from Japan. An interesting remark, as Dead Rising 2 is being handled by Canadian studio Blue Castle Games.

While Inafune's remarks may seem harsh, he's not alone in his feelings -- many we've spoken to have told us they were underwhelmed by this year's shows. It's certainly smaller in size, and many Japanese developers (some due mainly to financial reasons) have chosen not to attend this year's show.

EB ahead of the curve again  8)
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: treythemovie on September 26, 2009, 01:39:06 AM
How many people would actually disagree with Inafune's sentiment though?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is over
Post by: Jansen on September 26, 2009, 01:40:53 AM
we need to send a team in and get capcom outta there!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Bebpo on September 26, 2009, 01:50:06 AM
Eh, why don't they try to make some interesting games like they did when this gen first started then?  Sequel sequel sequel sure isn't going to change any perceptions.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: treythemovie on September 26, 2009, 02:02:11 AM
Eh, why don't they try to make some interesting games like they did when this gen first started then?  Sequel sequel sequel sure isn't going to change any perceptions.
To be fair, going from the sequel happy Capcom of previous gens to taking 4 years to make a Dead Rising sequel is pretty good.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2009, 02:05:29 AM
Eh, why don't they try to make some interesting games like they did when this gen first started then?  Sequel sequel sequel sure isn't going to change any perceptions.

They made interesting game when the gen started with Dead Rising.  Lost Planet was good, but for some reason I remember reading that it was supposed to be their answer to western game design or something.  Other than those two, what else was there?  DMC4? still a sequel.  Doesn't matter since they're all still solid games.  Last gen they had more interesting games from just Clover.  I wouldn't mind seeing more fresh games or whatever, but I also wouldn't mind getting more great sequels.  Bring on Onimusha 5 and Strider remake and, um, Captain Commando 2 XBLA.

And Sega should get Platinum Games to do a Comix Zone game.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 02:06:03 AM
When Japan is done with gaming, so am I... will probably free up a lot of time in the future for me, at least. Maybe that'd be a good thing.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 26, 2009, 02:10:51 AM
When Japan is done with gaming, so am I... will probably free up a lot of time in the future for me, at least. Maybe that'd be a good thing.

Japanese gaming development's not going anywhere.  They just need to get with the times in some a lot of areas.  Those wacky-JRPGs still seem to sell by the truckload regardless.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Bebpo on September 26, 2009, 02:23:11 AM
When Japan is done with gaming, so am I... will probably free up a lot of time in the future for me, at least. Maybe that'd be a good thing.

There are a lot of good western games in the last 5 years.  You should give more of them a try in different genre you weren't sure if you'd like.

I played very few western games before this gen outside major PC titles like Valve stuff and occasionally a sports game.  But from the start of this gen I was experimenting with all kinds of western developed X360 titles and I found I enjoyed a ton of new genres I never thought I'd dig like squad based military combat in Ghost Recon for instance.  Now I probably play about 50/50 split between western/Japanese developed games and 9/10 times the western ones are better.

I guess it helped that I enjoy good graphics, so good looking western games give me an incentive to try them out and give them a fair chance.  I know you're not really a gfx guy though, so you just need to take a blind leap on some of them :X
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2009, 02:27:04 AM
When Japan is done with gaming, so am I... will probably free up a lot of time in the future for me, at least. Maybe that'd be a good thing.

It's really just a joke dealing with console games.  Japan still puts out a lot of good DS and PSP games.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 02:30:14 AM
It's really the genres the west concentrates in, are stuff I've played before and have no interest in. Plus, I find games that try too hard to play/look realistic to be boring and unappealing. On occasion, I'll try to be open minded when it comes to this stuff, and go out of my comfort zone... then I'll get either bored or disgusted and go right back to what I usually prefer. I don't care about graphics/resolution/etc either, which puts me at odds with a lot of EB/GAF.

The last few western made games I liked were Wipeout HD (ummm, geez that shouldn't be surprising), Fallout 3, and Nanostray 2.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 02:45:54 AM
I think the problem is the apathy of the japanese gaming marketplace.  Without that audience they're left trying to appeal to western demographics and that's not their forte so to speak.  Kinda sucks  because the way Japanese developers instill personality into their games
 is something I prefer to what western developers attempt with their delusions of grandeur.  That's not to say I am commending Metal Gear or rpgs. 

I think if they want to get Japan interested again they'll have to develop low cost games on a low cost platform.  The ds still sells well and there are countless games that exhibit great legs.  Level 5 is having a field day watching sales of Professor Layton and Inazuma Eleven hold their positions on the chart the entire year.  I could probably point to many more examples.  My main point is that the reason the DS and DS software is so successful when the rest of the industry is falling on its face is intrinsically linked to the low barrier of entry.  Games have more intuitive controls, 2d is easier to comprehend, and the games and system are at impulse prices.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Jansen on September 26, 2009, 02:46:12 AM
as long as capgod survives the rest of japan's developers could go diaf for all i care
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Bebpo on September 26, 2009, 03:01:34 AM
actually I just like to give Inafune shit until he announces Devil May Cry 5 since half of 4 was fucking awesome and 3 is still the best action game ever made.  I want my next one announced so I can be playing it by 2011!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Raban on September 26, 2009, 03:20:46 AM
Make Mega Man Legends 3 you fuck! And more 8-bit Mega Man. Generally just more Mega Man. MEGA MAN.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 03:56:04 AM
Hey let's address our creativity and output redundancy by releasing more sequels to megaman!

And hey now, the most successful publisher in the world resides in japan, its  possible to do it right.  Unless Activision overtook them in the last year.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Raban on September 26, 2009, 03:59:03 AM
Hey let's address our creativity and output redundancy by releasing more sequels to megaman!

And hey now, the most successful publisher in the world resides in japan, its  possible to do it right.  Unless Activision overtook them in the last year.

I'm only kidding. I really do want a proper sequel to MML2, but I'm more interested in Capcom making new IPs constantly. Dead Rising and Lost Planet were both excellent, last gen had Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, some really awesome stuff. My only real issue with Capcom is; what are the developing in-house? Everything they do seems to be outsourced. Even MM9 was done by Inticreates. Nothing ever seems to be DEVELOPED by Capcom anymore. Did they become publisher-exclusive when I wasn't looking?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 04:15:23 AM
Dude is right. Japan sucks.

Nobody cares about their developers anymore except for JRPG fans and Japanese dudes into horse racing sims and turn based strategy games.

America has them beat on action games, shooters, RPGs, sports, etc.

Game over, Japan.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 04:18:02 AM
The only thing that is blatantly outsourced would be something like cavia for the rail gun resident evil games, or whoever is doing dead rising 2.  I consider Inticreates almost like an integral part of capcom at this point. Otherwise welcome to nextgen! You may notice higher dev costs have stifled creativity, so I would suggest you invest in a portable game machine and enjoy your stay.

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Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Raban on September 26, 2009, 04:19:24 AM
The only thing that is blatantly outsourced would be something like cavia for the rail gun resident evil games, or whoever is doing dead rising 2.  I consider Inticreates almost like an integral part of capcom at this point. Otherwise welcome to nextgen! You may notice higher dev costs have stifled creativity, so I would suggest you invest in a portable game machine and enjoy your stay.

My DS is treating me well. So I guess outsourcing is here to stay to keep production costs out of the stratosphere. That's shitty.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 04:26:19 AM
I wouldn't say outsourcing is there to reduce costs. Western developers actually require paid overtime! Its more to do with distributing a much wider work load onto someone else.  Inafune seems to be more in an overseer position these days, he made games once upon a time but alot of these old designers end up in positions where they can input their experience on multiple projects simultaneously. 
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 26, 2009, 04:32:47 AM
When Japan is done with gaming, so am I... will probably free up a lot of time in the future for me, at least. Maybe that'd be a good thing.

:rofl:
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Raban on September 26, 2009, 04:33:11 AM
I wouldn't say outsourcing is there to reduce costs. Western developers actually require paid overtime! Its more to do with distributing a much wider work load onto someone else.  Inafune seems to be more in an overseer position these days, he made games once upon a time but alot of these old designers end up in positions where they can input their experience on multiple projects simultaneously. 

I just wish people like Inafune and Kojima actually had an integral role in some part of the game design outside of just overseeing the project. It sucks that games like those before will never be made again because does anybody honestly foresee a game developer somehow spawning some kind of game design legend like Inafune, Kojima, Miyamoto, Mikami or anybody else? Sure Suda 51 is a pretty awesome game designer and his name is getting tossed around quite a bit for somebody so new to the scene, but other than that I can't really name legendary game designers out of even the last two generations.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 26, 2009, 05:18:57 AM
(Drinks microbrew and enjoys view from other side of ocean)
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
I play more jappa games than ameri games.  :japancry
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2009, 11:24:08 AM
Fortunately, Itagaki exists to save gaming.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 11:39:43 AM
I don't like FPS's and racing games. That's why I go to Japan.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Third on September 26, 2009, 12:08:47 PM
I'm not a japafag, but I think jap devs make better games overall. Jap devs make more creative games.

western devs make pretty generic games.

the reason why western games are more popular now is because the majority of people have shitty taste.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2009, 12:37:23 PM
I don't like FPS's and racing games. That's why I go to Japan.

No, you like fey girly men which is why you're a pre-op weeaboo.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 12:53:03 PM
When I look through my GC/Xbox/PS2 games, almost everything is from Japan.

If I exclude Capcom, most of my games and my favorites this gen are western. Seems like he's right to me...
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 01:02:41 PM
I'm not a japafag, but I think jap devs make better games overall. Jap devs make more creative games.

western devs make pretty generic games.

the reason why western games are more popular now is because the majority of people have shitty taste.

Agreed with this post... occasionally you'll get a Mirror's Edge or a Portal... but usually it's FPS, sandbox, FPS, sandbox, music game.

If I could narrow it down, I'd say out of western game developers, Europe tends to make much more original games than America.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 01:19:37 PM
I don't see anything amazing coming out from America. RTS's look kinda interesting though.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:22:15 PM
I don't see anything amazing coming out from America.

:rofl

Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:26:38 PM
To be fair, the best developers are mostly Canadian.

That said, the total creative output of North American developers obliterates Japan. Western developers have outshined and outclassed their Japanese counterparts in every single, genre.

Japafags can't even cling to role-playing games as a sense of pride, because BioWare and Bethesda have mopped the floor with every Japanese developer the past decade.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:27:57 PM
Even Kosma is right! :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
I don't see anything amazing coming out from America.
What do you see coming out of Japan?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 01:29:56 PM
To be fair, the best developers are mostly Canadian.

That said, the total creative output of North American developers obliterate Japan. Western developers have outshined and outclassed their Japanese counterparts in every single, genre.

Japafags can't even cling to role-playing games as a sense of pride, because BioWare and Bethesda have mopped the floor with every Japanese developer the past decade.

I like Fallout 3 as much as the next guy, but that's a total lie. And where are all these wonderful American 2D games? Or shmups? Or fighting games?

I'm sure America shines in boring military uber-realistic FPSes, but to be honest, Call of Duty 4 was one of the most forgettable games I've ever played (received it for free from a GAFfer on the dev team), and I haven't played any others.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 01:30:22 PM
I don't see anything amazing coming out from America.
What do you see coming out of Japan?

That new Level 5 - Studio Ghibli collab, for one. 3D Dot Game Heroes looks interesting. FF13, DQ6 and the US version of 9, End of Eternity.. all look like they're gonna be worth playing.

Where are all these amazing American games that are coming out? Another Call of Duty? Another Rock Band? Another Gears of War? Another Halo? Another movie license game? I'll admit I don't really pay attention to gaming too much anymore, but I'd love to hear some more.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 01:30:53 PM
2D games is not a genre
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:32:16 PM
What do you see coming out of Japan?

(http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2007/october/animepillow.jpg)

(which reminds me, the Japanese do have us beat when it comes to fighters, actually - so I amend my early statement.)
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2009, 01:33:20 PM
i agree japan USED to be the "ideas factory" but now...?


really?!

3d Dot Game Heroes aside, Japan really is a bad way.

Japan isn't so different from America in that they latch onto a trend and milk it.  As much as I like the Peace Walker demo, it's another game influenced by Monster Hunter success.  Just look at all the games released or coming in the future that are influenced by Monster Hunter.  It's no different than the obsession with a cover mechanic or audio logs in America.

and yeah, Japan is still better when it comes to fighting and action games.  I enjoy God of War, but come on, most that come from Japan are way better.  Bayonetta is probably going to be too.  Japan's attempts at making shooter is also better than America's attempts at making fighting games. 
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:34:16 PM
I like how tiesto writes off almost every genre except a handful of Japafag favorites, that are as every bit as repetitive as the genres he hates. :lol

Shmups! Fighters! 2D games!

... Yeah, Japanese don't milk their fighters or shmup- O WAIT.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:36:15 PM
Best part:

Quote from: tiesto
... FF13, DQ6 and the US version of 9, End of Eternity.. all look like they're gonna be worth playing.

Where are all these amazing American games that are coming out? Another Call of Duty? Another Rock Band? Another Gears of War? Another Halo?

:rofl :rofl :rofl

My sequels are better than your sequels!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 01:37:04 PM
Where are all these amazing American games that are coming out? Another Call of Duty? Another Rock Band? Another Gears of War? Another Halo? Another movie license game? I'll admit I don't really pay attention to gaming too much anymore, but I'd love to hear some more.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=30543.0
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:38:43 PM
Where are all these amazing Japanese games that are coming out? Another Final Fantasy? Another Dragon Quest? Another Tekken?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 01:39:09 PM
I like how tiesto writes off almost every genre except a handful of Japafag favorites, that are as every bit as repetitive as the genres he hates. :lol

Shmups! Fighters! 2D games!

... Yeah, Japanese don't milk their fighters or shmup- O WAIT.

So, my tastes are a bit different from the typical Evilbore PC and technological marvel Xbox 360 games... Do people HAVE to play EVERY SINGLE GENRE that comes out?

Also, where are the Americans on the handheld systems? The DS is kicking the shit out of the 3 console systems, yet apart from Wayforward and the Drawn to Life guys, the western development is fucking horrible. PSP fares a bit better with western development, but still.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
Americans handheld devs roll with the iPhone/iPod Touch.

There are still some good western made DS games from time to time, like Soul Bubbles and Henry Hatsworth.  Moon was also pretty alright for a DS FPS.  Forgot about Chinatown Wars, which was also great, but also soon to be on PSP and iPhone.

The only other western game made DS game I have is a shitty Rayman 2 port I bought in Europe years ago.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Where are all these amazing Japanese games that are coming out? Another Final Fantasy? Another Dragon Quest? Another Tekken?

Hmm, in new IPs, to my knowledge:

Level 5 + Studio Ghibli game, Nostalgia, Last Ranker

Of course those are all on portables, which of course doesn't mean anything to the EB 360/PC only gamers.

For the other consoles, there's Bayonetta, End of Eternity, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Last Guardian.

I'd like to hear some fresh new Western IP to look forward to. There's Borderlands and uhhhhh.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:44:28 PM
So you have conceded that western developers make better console games, but the Japanese own the handheld market? :lol

... the same market that has become a dumping ground for old Japanese RPGs and ports of popular, Japanese-developed SNES titles? :lol

Dude, Beezy linked a whole list of stuff coming out this year.

Oh, tiesto. Never change. :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 01:45:22 PM
Do people HAVE to play EVERY SINGLE GENRE that comes out?
No, but it's good to be more open minded. Playing only genres that are basically japanese exclusive and saying nothing is coming from the west makes no sense.

This gen has had more new interesting IPs from the west than Japan. Even more so if you exclude Capcom, the only Japanese developer that seems to be putting out any effort.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2009, 01:48:35 PM
Where are all these amazing Japanese games that are coming out? Another Final Fantasy? Another Dragon Quest? Another Tekken?

Hmm, in new IPs, to my knowledge:

Level 5 + Studio Ghibli game, Nostalgia, Last Ranker

Of course those are all on portables, which of course doesn't mean anything to the EB 360/PC only gamers.

For the other consoles, there's Bayonetta, End of Eternity, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Last Guardian.

I'd like to hear some fresh new Western IP to look forward to. There's Borderlands and uhhhhh.

To be fair, almost every game that is shown in Japan gets some coverage on forums.  I don't think anyone here knows what Edge of Twilight is, but the trailer was cool and it's a game I'm looking forward to.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
I don't see anything amazing coming out from America.
What do you see coming out of Japan?

Pretty much what tiesto said cept for a few different titles.

The list that Beezy linked is garbage. I don't want to play more than half of that tripe looking shit.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:52:11 PM
So far, Junpei and tiesto's argument is they don't like the games on that list, and prefer to play JRPGs, shmups and DMC4-type action titles, so everything else sucks by default. :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 01:53:48 PM
Do people HAVE to play EVERY SINGLE GENRE that comes out?
No, but it's good to be more open minded. Playing only genres that are basically japanese exclusive and saying nothing is coming from the west makes no sense.

This gen has had more new interesting IPs from the west than Japan.

Every time I try to become more open-minded, I end up getting burned... I have played through the Halo saga (well, not the new one), Call of Duty 4, and Gears of War... didn't like any of them. So, as my game-time shrinks, why would I spend more time attempting to branch out into genres I never liked in hopes of finding another Half Life in a pile of tripe... instead of taking the safe route, playing a game I will probably either like or love, where the chance of time-wasting is much lower? Make sense?

Willco, I took a look at the list, and it was exactly like I expected - all western on the HD systems, mostly Japanese on DS/PSP/Wii. Makes sense due to the economics of the situation, why would Japan waste all this time/resources designing for the 4th and 5th place systems over there? I also think you're missing my argument entirely... which is, I like genres that Japan concentrates on, and I could give 2 shits about many popular western genres. I'm not saying that everyone should play exactly what I play, but it seems that you, Beezy, etc. want me to be more "open minded" and play all these American made titles.

2009 is a pretty weak year for gaming in general, both sides of the ocean, though.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 01:56:43 PM
Do people HAVE to play EVERY SINGLE GENRE that comes out?
No, but it's good to be more open minded. Playing only genres that are basically japanese exclusive and saying nothing is coming from the west makes no sense.

This gen has had more new interesting IPs from the west than Japan.

Every time I try to become more open-minded, I end up getting burned... I have played through the Halo saga (well, not the new one), Call of Duty 4, and Gears of War... didn't like any of them. So, as my game-time shrinks, why would I spend more time attempting to branch out into genres I never liked in hopes of finding another Half Life in a pile of tripe... instead of taking the safe route, playing a game I will probably either like or love, where the chance of time-wasting is much lower? Make sense?
What about Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Crackdown, Burnout Paradise (new take on the series), Assassin's Creed, Batman: AA? You nkow, games that aren't shooters? I don't care for shooters that much either. COD4 is the only one I play because of the multiplayer. I have Gears of War 2 also, but I haven't touched it since I beat the campaign.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 01:57:46 PM
 :lol I'm not saying that, all I'm saying is that the majority of American output looks uninteresting to me. I mean rather play Baten Kaitos than Mass Effect. If america or europe made something like that, I'd play that in a second.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 01:58:45 PM
Except that was never my argument, nor am I as close minded as yourself.

I will play Brutal Legend and Borderlands and Dark Void and Ratchet and Clank and Dragon Age, in addition to stuff like Assassin's Creed 2, Modern Warfare 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Shadow Complex, Halo 3: ODST, DiRT 2, Dead Space: On Rails!, etc.

That spans almost every genre and that list is far more open minded than yours.

There's also original IPs on there.

And I can guarantee that almost all of those games will be more polished than their Japanese counterparts and more innovative, especially when you're holding to dear life on a handful of JRPGs.

So eat it, tiesto.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 26, 2009, 02:00:54 PM
:lol I'm not saying that, all I'm saying is that the majority of American output looks uninteresting to me. I mean rather play Baten Kaitos than Mass Effect. If america or europe made something like that, I'd play that in a second.
Baten Kaitos is a GC game. Have you ever actually tried Mass Effect?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 02:05:43 PM
I beat Mass Effect. It's medicore at best. I hate the combat, hate it.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 02:07:15 PM
Except that was never my argument, nor am I as close minded as yourself.

I will play Brutal Legend and Borderlands and Dark Void and Ratchet and Clank and Dragon Age, in addition to stuff like Assassin's Creed 2, Modern Warfare 2, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Shadow Complex, Halo 3: ODST, DiRT 2, Dead Space: On Rails!, etc.

That spans almost every genre and that list is far more open minded than yours.

There's also original IPs on there.

And I can guarantee that almost all of those games will be more polished than their Japanese counterparts and more innovative, especially when you're holding to dear life on a handful of JRPGs.

So eat it, tiesto.

I can guarantee the 6th or 7th Ratchet game since the series started is going to be innovative as hell, as well as the 6th Call of Duty game, and another Halo game. And I like what I've played of the Ratchets :P Actually I find many American made games to be much buggier and unpolished... they may look graphically very nice, but usually feature game freezing glitches. *cough*Bethesda*cough*

I am not 'holding on to dear life'... just because I tend to prefer a genre you hate. So, more power to you if there are a lot of games you're interested in this holiday season. I don't really give a fuck, and it doesn't really affect me one way or another what you do with your time. If the games I like stop getting made, I will just play through my backlog of old games, or move on to other hobbies/interests. I don't really know why you are so emotionally invested in attacking me for what I play and what I enjoy, like a 15 year old kid who is like "your favorite band sucks! you should all listen to BAND-X!!!". For all I know, I didn't do anything to piss you off.

Like I said, I find being 'open minded' overrated.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2009, 02:34:00 PM
The best games I've played this year have been from Western developers. Cant' really think of any great Japanese games I've played from this year.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Third on September 26, 2009, 02:44:59 PM
Demon's Souls is the best game of this year. It's Japanese. But ironically, it looks like a Western game.

I'd say, when it comes to development teams:

1- Japs
2- Euro's
3- Yanks

Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 26, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
I can guarantee the 6th or 7th Ratchet game since the series started is going to be innovative as hell, as well as the 6th Call of Duty game, and another Halo game. And I like what I've played of the Ratchets :P

I can say the same with Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and the rest of the Japafag games you play.

Way to ignore original IPs like Brutal Legend, Dark Void, Borderlands, Dragon Age, etc.

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Actually I find many American made games to be much buggier and unpolished... they may look graphically very nice, but usually feature game freezing glitches. *cough*Bethesda*cough*

 :lol

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I am not 'holding on to dear life'... just because I tend to prefer a genre you hate.

I don't, I'm just not close minded enough to think JRPGs, which are incredibly stale by general consensus, are the last bastion of ingenuity in the videogame industry.

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Like I said, I find being 'open minded' overrated.

Obviously. :lol

Enjoy your one original IP, some game with an unknown title that hasn't seen much playtime and your laundry list of JRPG sequels. :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 26, 2009, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: tiesto link=topic=31929.msg935897#msg935897
Actually I find many American made games to be much buggier and unpolished... they may look graphically very nice, but usually feature game freezing glitches. *cough*Bethesda*cough*
I don't know how you can categorically say that, smh.

The best games I've played this year have been from Western developers. Cant' really think of any great Japanese games I've played from this year.
RE5 goty for me so far
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Bocsius on September 26, 2009, 03:14:55 PM
I think both sides of the argument are right.

The majority of Japanese games suck. But so do the majority of western games.

Let's all be happy with the handful of games that are worth playing.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 03:42:14 PM
in every single, genre.

Are you out of your mind?  What western developer makes shmups? or platformers? or competent fighting games?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 26, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
the majority of my disc based games are Japanese (about 70%), while most of my XBL/PSN games are western.  Interesting.


there's no doubt in my mind that the Japanese seem to "get" the finer points of certain genres better than Western counterparts.
--Simplicity and polish in RPGs (not saying JRPGs are better...I like both for different reasons)
--engines in fighting games - Midway almost had a balanced and fun game in UMK3, but for the other 15 MK games, they cashed in on gore, but they even got the gore wrong in the newer games, since they seemed to run out of fatality ideas.  and that's the closest the West has come to making a competent fighter.
--engines in action games - there are plenty of reasons to like GoW better than DMC and NG, but the finer points of the combat engine are shit.  this really shows on the harder difficulty levels. 
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 03:52:24 PM
Dead Space for the Wii looks pretty neat.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 03:57:27 PM
I can guarantee the 6th or 7th Ratchet game since the series started is going to be innovative as hell, as well as the 6th Call of Duty game, and another Halo game. And I like what I've played of the Ratchets :P

I can say the same with Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and the rest of the Japafag games you play.

Way to ignore original IPs like Brutal Legend, Dark Void, Borderlands, Dragon Age, etc.

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Actually I find many American made games to be much buggier and unpolished... they may look graphically very nice, but usually feature game freezing glitches. *cough*Bethesda*cough*

 :lol

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I am not 'holding on to dear life'... just because I tend to prefer a genre you hate.

I don't, I'm just not close minded enough to think JRPGs, which are incredibly stale by general consensus, are the last bastion of ingenuity in the videogame industry.

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Like I said, I find being 'open minded' overrated.

Obviously. :lol

Enjoy your one original IP, some game with an unknown title that hasn't seen much playtime and your laundry list of JRPG sequels. :lol

Brutal Legend - could be good, but I wasn't too enthused with Psychonauts. Will give a chance.
Dark Void - no idea what this is.
Borderlands - another hit or miss title, graphic style looks promising, will take a wait and see.
Dragon Age - trailer looked embarrassingly bad (come on, who the hell still uses Marylin Mansion in a trailer in this day and age?), and when it comes to WRPGs I prefer Bethesda to Bioware by far.

I will most definitely enjoy my 'one original IP' and 'game nobody will play', and other games in my favorite game series. If sales are indicative of quality - well, Japan has everyone beat... Nintendo and Mario Kart, Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort... And, have you even bothered with Japanese RPGs lately? Plenty of them feature different gameplay systems - mostly innovations in the battle and character growth system. You can't really honestly say that a game like Persona 3, Growlanser Generations, Etrian Odyssey, Dragon Quest whatever, Valkyria Chronicles, The World Ends With You, and Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter are all exactly the same and clones of one another. There is a TON of ignorance out there with this genre in the American press, and with your typical 'hardcore' gamer. Of course, if you don't like the genre to begin with, it's all gonna be 'spiky haired animu kids' and 'turn based random battles'. Just like non-dance fans think every song is nothing more than 20 minutes of unn-tssss unn-tsss.

I never said the genre was the 'last bastion of ingenuity', it's just the one I prefer above all others. I'm not gonna give up and stop playing/buying them just because some message board posters don't like them.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 04:09:09 PM
It's pretty amazing that anyone dares to cite Western rpgs given how infamously unpolished and buggy the genre is known to be.   
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2009, 04:27:31 PM
I am currently playing Devil Survivor and Sim City 4.

Best of both worlds.

Eat it, faggos.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2009, 04:32:43 PM
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Brutal Legend - could be good, but I wasn't too enthused with Psychonauts. Will give a chance.
Dark Void - no idea what this is.
Borderlands - another hit or miss title, graphic style looks promising, will take a wait and see.
Dragon Age - trailer looked embarrassingly bad (come on, who the hell still uses Marylin Mansion in a trailer in this day and age?), and when it comes to WRPGs I prefer Bethesda to Bioware by far.

There's also these:

Rage
Brink
Alpha Protocol
The Saboteur
Alan Wake
Heavy Rain
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2009, 04:37:38 PM
It's pretty amazing that anyone dares to cite Western rpgs given how infamously unpolished and buggy the genre is known to be.   

Despite the bugs, Fallout 3 is quite easily the best rpg this gen, and possibly the best overall game.  Partially due to the lack of annoying jrpg traits- no emo main character with spiky hair, no bratty kids that join your party, etc etc.  In fact, I took great pleasure at selling an entire village of bratty kids into slavery as a form of revenge against the jrpg.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2009, 04:44:33 PM
in every single, genre.

Are you out of your mind?  What western developer makes shmups? or platformers? or competent fighting games?

How many great platformers or shumps or fighting games have you played lately from any country? These genres that Japan dominates are all swirling the bowl, just like Japanese gaming itself.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 04:45:44 PM
Why do people always the use the "emo whiny spikey hair" shit? Not all RPG's have that you know. Hell, most don't. Well most have spikey hair but still. I can honest only think of 3 games that have that description and they're all Final Fantasy's.

Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 26, 2009, 04:48:32 PM
90+% of the games I own are made by Western devs (not that I play them).
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
90+% of the games I own are made by Western devs (not that I play them).

Well you like the Beatles so that says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: archie4208 on September 26, 2009, 04:58:17 PM
It says he has good taste.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Fragamemnon on September 26, 2009, 04:59:42 PM
Almost everything I buy comes from Europe these days. Aside from the occasional RTS, a once-a-year decent RPG, the only thing American developers are good for is budget busting shooters, plastic instrument music games, and insufferable style-over-substance "indie" games.

Heck, even most of my PC wargames aren't from US developers anymore. I've basically ran off to board wargames since most of them are so buggy and suck so bad as to be unplayable.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 26, 2009, 05:07:24 PM
Frag wins the thread
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2009, 05:14:42 PM
90+% of the games I own are made by Western devs (not that I play them).

Well you like the Beatles so that says a lot about you.

Well you plan on having your johnson cut off, so that says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 26, 2009, 05:17:34 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 26, 2009, 05:32:04 PM
Why do people always the use the "emo whiny spikey hair" shit? Not all RPG's have that you know. Hell, most don't. Well most have spikey hair but still. I can honest only think of 3 games that have that description and they're all Final Fantasy's.



Kingdom Hearts
Tales of blah blah blah
Infinite Undiscovery
Xenogears
Xenosaga
Suikoden

all emo, all with spiky haired characters

Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 26, 2009, 05:41:18 PM
Why do people always the use the "emo whiny spikey hair" shit? Not all RPG's have that you know. Hell, most don't. Well most have spikey hair but still. I can honest only think of 3 games that have that description and they're all Final Fantasy's.



:lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 26, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
he probably should've qualified with vertical shmups
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 26, 2009, 06:14:21 PM
Braid and Shadow Complex aren't exactly what I'm talking about.  I wouldn't consider Super Metroid a platformer.  Braid is more of a puzzle game.  I usually think the primary focus of any platformer is that gravity is your main enemy and you have to work with the physics to avoid traps and pits.
*shrug*
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 26, 2009, 06:30:48 PM
in every single, genre.

Are you out of your mind?  What western developer makes shmups? or platformers? or competent fighting games?

How many great platformers or shumps or fighting games have you played lately from any country? These genres that Japan dominates are all swirling the bowl, just like Japanese gaming itself.

Platformers - Klonoa Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, Contra Rebirth (run and gun but close enough), and looking forward to New Super Mario Bros Wii (perhaps more than any other game this year)

Fighters - Street Fighter 4, Blazblue, KOF XII, there's also the Soul Calibur PSP game. If anything, fighters have had a bit of a resurgence lately.

I'd be playing quite a few amazing shmups, like Deathsmiles, ESPGaluda 2, and Mushihime-sama Futari... if only Cave would localize their fucking games  :punch :punch :punch
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 26, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
Japanese developers peaked in the PlayStation era and never really left there since.  It is why they love handhelds: an opportunity for them to release software on PlayStation-like machines with generally low expectations.  Once the next set of handhelds has much more power and therefore, higher consumer expectations, Japanese developers will probably run to another hardware medium in droves.  Probably cell phones.  I know they do that already but it should be advanced to the point where they can remake Final Fantasy again but this time in 3D.

Anything else they do try doesn't fare so well.  Their MO:

1) PlayStation style plus MOAR.  The result?  Xenosaga and the inevitable disappointing performance of Final Fantasy XIII.
2) Copy successful J-efforts.  Result?  Monster Hunter clones popping up left and right.
3) Outside of Capcom, make timid, half assed attempts to make western like games.  Result?  Coded Arms and Metal Gear Online.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 26, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2i74irm.jpg)

Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 26, 2009, 09:16:37 PM
As much as I bitched about parts of RgG3, I will more than likely buy RgG4 day one. Shit, at this rate, if "Yakuza 4" ever comes out in North America, the PS4 will be out first.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 27, 2009, 06:23:03 AM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2i74irm.jpg)



Is that the Yakuza guy?  Dude really let success get to his head.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: magus on September 27, 2009, 07:43:50 AM
ignoring the handhelds isn't currently the wii,the console totaly ignored by any sort of 3rd party developer the head honcho of the industry
nintendo is owning both japanese and western developer which is why natal and the sony wand are happening
that's how the industry is shaping
and it's somewhat sad

as for inafune,if he thinks that japan sucks he should do something about it instead of re-releasing resident evil 5 and making an half assed sequel of okami on the ds
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2009, 08:33:37 AM
ignoring the handhelds isn't currently the wii,the console totaly ignored by any sort of 3rd party developed the head honcho of the industry
nintendo is owning both japanese and western developer which is why natal and the sony wand are happening
that's how the industry is shaping
and it's somewhat sad

as for inafune,if he thinks that japan sucks he should do something about it instead of re-releasing resident evil 5 and making an half assed sequel of okami on the ds

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/joepa.jpg)
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 27, 2009, 10:06:32 AM
 :lol

The future may be a Western direction.  :/
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 27, 2009, 10:28:48 AM
:lol

The future may be a Western direction.  :/

May?  Is.

It didn't need to be that way but instead of creating new ideas, they want to rehash their ideas that made them a killing in 1995-1999.  Next generation to Japanese developers means more anime, more cutscenes, and more...of the same.  Fallout 3 is a typical Bethesda effort on the surface: huge, buggy, and ugly, but it does have a lot of fresh, new gameplay ideas that add to the genre overall.  These new ideas are what you'd typically find on a gameplay system meant to take advantage of much powerful hardware that wasn't available before.

Capcom is one of the few exceptions because they apparently and correctly gambled that Japan's dominance was declining so it needed to diversify their software lineup.  Other developers are weakly trying to do the same, thinking that token, half assed efforts would be good enough.  It isn't.  Instead of trying, they run to the handhelds, which have much lower expectations overall, giving J-developers that chance to relive the 90s again.

I like Japanese games and I don't like WRPGs but Japan is choking off their own futures with the exception of Nintendo, Capcom, and to a lesser extent, Sega and Sony.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 27, 2009, 11:39:51 AM
Junpei and Tiesto, wheter you like the genres that are made in the West or not, you cannot deny that it's Western devs that shape the industry and in which direction it's going and not Japanese devs. It's also rather lame to slam Western devs for sequelitis when all you seem excited about is the most stagnant genre of all: JRPG.

Like magus said, it seems Nintendo is shaping the industry the most, with the motion controls. Obviously, among the traditional "hardcore gamers" or what have you, the west and their focus on big sandbox worlds, FPSes and online play is the most popular, and I of course don't like this direction in the slightest. Nor do I like the motion control minigame direction Nintendo is going. But the worst is, I don't think the western way of making games is all too sustainable - fund massive budget games with tons and tons of shovelware, and come out with tons of plastic toys to take up space in your house :P

Japanese RPGs are hardly the most stagnant genre of all, at least as far as gameplay is concerned. I am guessing you missed my post where I told Willco to compare the gameplay in Persona 3, BOF: Dragon Quarter, Growlanser Generations, Valkyrie Profile Silmeria, The World Ends With You, Valkyria Chronicles, to something traditional like DQ5. Being one of the most popular genres in Japan means that, although you get a lot of samey type stuff, you get a lot of devs willing to experiment. (and hell, there are plenty of times I'd take a well-made game that's very samey over an ambitious but broken-as-hell title)
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 27, 2009, 11:54:11 AM
The only two that you mentioned from this gen that try new things are Valkyria Chronicles and The World Ends With You. The HD consoles have just about nothing and the handhelds are filled with ports, remakes and dungeon crawlers. TWEWY is one of the few exceptions that actually turned out to be a good game.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 27, 2009, 01:13:06 PM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2i74irm.jpg)

Sad...so sad
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 27, 2009, 01:51:12 PM
ignoring the handhelds isn't currently the wii,the console totaly ignored by any sort of 3rd party developer the head honcho of the industry
nintendo is owning both japanese and western developer which is why natal and the sony wand are happening
that's how the industry is shaping
and it's somewhat sad

as for inafune,if he thinks that japan sucks he should do something about it instead of re-releasing resident evil 5 and making an half assed sequel of okami on the ds



(http://i38.tinypic.com/2i74irm.jpg)


Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 27, 2009, 02:06:01 PM
Some of those chicks are pretty hot.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 27, 2009, 02:28:41 PM
Some of those chicks are pretty hot.


i bet that little angry japanese guy with the fake tan spits on them after he's done
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 27, 2009, 02:51:24 PM
Yeah, the only good news to come out of last week didn't come from TGS, but from this. (http://www.seganerdsforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2279&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)
(http://arcadeheaven.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/src.jpg)
:hyper
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on September 27, 2009, 02:55:33 PM
:: notes Sega Racing Classic thread ::

:: takes spooge over there  :-* ::
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: maxy on September 27, 2009, 02:58:31 PM
Japan has been finished long time ago,what you are now seeing is just time waves.

First they placed all eggs in Sony basket and to their great shock Sony is nowhere to be found,not in Japan,not to mention the West.
Second,online is like a holy grail for them.

Best selling PS3 game in Japan is what?MGS4,700k something,sales like that are not even worth mentioning in the West.
And in few months finally a worthy contender to break that barrier will be released,FFXIII...one game in 3,4 years...zzzz

UK already has multiple games that have broken that barrier on 360.

The problem is that home market can't make them afloat and they have huge problems in getting West interested in their games.

Handhelds are home sustainable so the West doesn't matter much for them,but for "HD" consoles,crap software sales in the West=uh,oh...maybe you should do something else

Wii...who cares

 





Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 27, 2009, 03:16:14 PM
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2i74irm.jpg)

Sad...so sad

Does that guy go to work dressed like that?
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 27, 2009, 04:38:40 PM
yeah, you can rag on wii all you want, but you can't deny its one relatively small japanese company that is shaping the industry.  Maybe the 'fad' will fall through, but sony and microsoft have already responded in the expected manners.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 27, 2009, 05:09:08 PM
yeah, you can rag on wii all you want, but you can't deny its one relatively small japanese company that is shaping the industry.  Maybe the 'fad' will fall through, but sony and microsoft have already responded in the expected manners.

uh, one reason people rag on the Wii is because of how it's shaping the industry.

 
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 27, 2009, 05:09:37 PM
yeah, you can rag on wii all you want, but you can't deny its one relatively small japanese company that is shaping the industry.  Maybe the 'fad' will fall through, but sony and microsoft have already responded in the expected manners.

Sony's response seems impulsive...it's just another wii remote.  I like MS' response...mainly because it's kind of mind boggling like the wii remote was to me before I actually tried it.  

it'll be interesting to see how they both turn out.  the sony wand seems like it'll fade, but if MS is really going to pose natal as the next Xbox, it may turn out better.

(http://i38.tinypic.com/izuo34.jpg)

or not.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 27, 2009, 06:25:30 PM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

Microsoft will do a good job at catering to the shallow people who bought into the Wii because of Wii Sports.  There's a good reason that whenever you see anything Wii related in the media, it's always someone playing Wii Tennis.  Sony is going the complete opposite direction and appealing to nerdy tech nerds.  It's the difference between "I can shake my hand and crazy shit moves!" and "TRUE 1:1 PER PIXEL ACCURACY!"  I like motion controls when it works (a rare occurrence) and would like new tech out there to make it better, but so far Microsoft is showing that they can capture the Eyetoy gimmick market while Sony is showing us how to produce a flop.

And Sony hasn't announced a break part controller.  They haven't even talked about packaging or anything like that,  They're so unprepared that we probably won't know until a week before release.  PSP Go comes out in 4 days and they've only detailed the UMD reward program for Japan.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 27, 2009, 06:41:23 PM
(thanks for fucking over leftys, Sony)

I thought the same thing when I saw them playing RE5 with it. smh
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 27, 2009, 07:53:18 PM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

It's more original than "here's another wand only with a big ass ball on it"

Though Sony did beat them to the punch.


But the non-gaming media is giving attention to natal, where nobody gives a shit about the sony dildo. 
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 27, 2009, 08:43:01 PM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

It's more original than "here's another wand only with a big ass ball on it"

Though Sony did beat them to the punch.


But the non-gaming media is giving attention to natal, where nobody gives a shit about the sony dildo. 

All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Trent Dole on September 27, 2009, 08:43:45 PM
All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.
a-fucking-men.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 27, 2009, 08:48:49 PM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

It's more original than "here's another wand only with a big ass ball on it"

Though Sony did beat them to the punch.


But the non-gaming media is giving attention to natal, where nobody gives a shit about the sony dildo. 

All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.

Finally, something in this thread that I can agree with.  :P
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: pilonv1 on September 27, 2009, 08:54:09 PM
All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.

PC gaming, the last hope
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 27, 2009, 09:39:03 PM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

It's more original than "here's another wand only with a big ass ball on it"

Though Sony did beat them to the punch.

uh, Microsoft beat Microsoft to the punch.  Natal is the second camera for the 360.  The old Vision even had Eyetoy games too, like, two or three of them including You're in the Movies.

All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.

Quote from: Keita Takahashi
"I'm not really interested in it. I don't think a controller should have that much influence on the enjoyment of games.  I see what [Nintendo is] trying to do, but they're putting such emphasis on the controller; 'Woah, this controller lets you do this!' and I'm thinking - are you messing with us?"

:bow (http://i37.tinypic.com/oif812.jpg) :bow2

Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: pilonv1 on September 27, 2009, 10:10:41 PM
good to see there's still some sense left in japanese developers
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 27, 2009, 11:57:25 PM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

It's more original than "here's another wand only with a big ass ball on it"

Though Sony did beat them to the punch.


But the non-gaming media is giving attention to natal, where nobody gives a shit about the sony dildo. 

All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.

Hello there, good sir. I agree with you and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

:bow LYTE :bow2
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 12:05:10 AM
these new control schemes aren't total shit, they have their place, but nothing will replace a controller.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 12:41:44 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

better to stick to the status quo than to fail as hard as mirror's edge.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 12:46:06 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

better to stick to the status quo than to fail as hard as mirror's edge.

It managed to sell a million copies. Not exactly lighting up the charts, but it's hardly a completely bomb either.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 01:08:22 AM
Fail? Mirror's Edge is a winner in my book. Best original game so far this gen.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 01:34:57 AM
Not as much as Mirror's Edge! Haters gonna hate. :rock
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 28, 2009, 01:41:00 AM
Mirror's Edge was GOTY 2008, easily.  It was amazing.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: drew on September 28, 2009, 01:41:47 AM
this is the best thread on eb in awhile but im afraid to contribute or GET BANNED :cop
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 28, 2009, 01:44:35 AM
Yes, jumping around in front of a camera is totally original.

It's more original than "here's another wand only with a big ass ball on it"

Though Sony did beat them to the punch.


But the non-gaming media is giving attention to natal, where nobody gives a shit about the sony dildo. 

All this shit fucking sucks and I wish they'd stick to regular controllers and focus on making good games instead.

Hello there, good sir. I agree with you and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

:bow LYTE :bow2

:bow DISTANT :bow2
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Sho Nuff on September 28, 2009, 01:56:55 AM
Mirror's Edge was GOTY 2008, easily.  It was amazing.

Faith pees on haters from 20 stories up

Then the haters look up and are like "Is it raining?"
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 02:02:12 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 02:03:04 AM
GOTY 2008 - Mirror's Edge [Xbox360, PS3]
GOTY 2009 - Mirror's Edge [PC]

:bow Mirror's Edge :bow2
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 28, 2009, 02:03:24 AM
You guys gonna be so sorry that you doubted Japan. You'll see!  :'(
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 02:12:11 AM
No way Mirrors Edge is better than Portal.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 02:14:06 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

Dead Rising shits on Mirrors Edge.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 02:22:52 AM
Dead Rising was made by a japanese company. Mirror's Edge shits on it (from 20 stories up) by default. Himuro wrong again as usual.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 02:31:46 AM
Dead Rising is way better than Mirror's Edge. Enjoy your shitty forced combat!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 02:38:48 AM
And Shenmue is a good game.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 02:42:17 AM
Youtube never lies!

[youtube=560,345]4xuXkVzBdJQ[/youtube]

In your heart you know it to be true Beezy!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5g2WTlUgXsw/SCWGtaszhrI/AAAAAAAAABI/iI1Y3wKvqFE/s400/darth-vader.jpg)

Japanese gaming is calling!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Jansen on September 28, 2009, 02:43:10 AM
Dead Rising is way better than Mirror's Edge. Enjoy your shitty forced combat!

while this is true it isn't much of a compliment towards dead rising since most games are better than mirror's edge
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 02:43:47 AM
And Shenmue is a good game.

[youtube=560,345]Tpagb3iKNNM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 02:49:10 AM
Dead Rising is way better than Mirror's Edge. Enjoy your shitty forced combat!

while this is true it isn't much of a compliment towards dead rising since most games are better than mirror's edge

Once again, youtube never lies!

Mirror's Edge is a part of the holy trinity of unique games this gen, that being Portal, Mirror's Edge, and Dead Rising, but it's ain't topping Dead Rising! You take that back, Beezy!

[youtube=560,345]LXE-lNcaFUA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 03:00:06 AM
hatersgonnahate.gif
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 03:01:03 AM
Mirror's Edge is a good game but it isn't better than DR. I refuse to admit that and I will never accept it!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: pilonv1 on September 28, 2009, 03:20:51 AM
Mirror's Edge was GOTY 2008, easily.  It was amazing.

Non Fallout 3 GOTY yes. Awesome game
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Error2k4 on September 28, 2009, 03:23:47 AM
I really don't get how Mass Effect (360 version) gets so much praise.

- it was technically a mess with some of the worst texture pop-in I've seen this gen, it also had a shitload of screen tearing, and uneven framerate.
- the dialogue system was highly overrated because some of the choices lead to the same fucking answer
- the battle system lol what a joke: terrible AI, the variety was horrible in terms of enemy design and boss battles.
- changing weapons/armor was a battle on itself the enemy was the atrocious interface.
- sidequests? what sidequests? they were so bad it was best to not bother at all
- the character customization was boring, very few skills.

I don't get how the gaming media overlooked all of that and gave it stupid high scores.

About the few positive things the title had was the presentation and the worldview. Bioware is good at creating interesting worldviews in their games. That's it, though, the rest of the game was a mess IMO.

I haven't tried Fallout 3 because I found Oblivion to be so awful, but it seems like the game is actually good so I might give it a shot someday.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: MCD on September 28, 2009, 03:41:20 AM
Mainly because Mass Effect setting is interesting.

also Bioware games usually score high, nothing new here.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: tiesto on September 28, 2009, 09:38:42 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

Well, nobody in the west has managed to do anything nearly as interesting as Mirror's Edge, either...
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 28, 2009, 09:41:00 AM
If Dead Rising 2 is amazing, it will only further prove western superiority.  DR2 is being made bu the Canadians.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 28, 2009, 09:57:17 AM
Mirror's Edge is not better than Dead Rising wtf :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 28, 2009, 09:58:23 AM
No way Mirrors Edge is better than Portal.

Portal is garbage man.

This thread is just all sorts of backwards.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 10:24:57 AM
I don't get how the gaming media overlooked all of that and gave it stupid high scores.

Because despite the flaws it was still an awesome game.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

better to stick to the status quo than to fail as hard as mirror's edge.

It managed to sell a million copies. Not exactly lighting up the charts, but it's hardly a completely bomb either.


this isn't gaf, I'm not talking about sales... it was like a ubi game.  The first hour or so is great, then the next 6 repeat the first one.  The best part after the initial "wow" of the platforming wears off is the garage scene where you have to plan on taking out a whole bunch of dudes (without guns b/c of pacifist achievement.)  The platforming was practically unnecessary because it was so easy...

Dead Rising is an actual game instead of easy platforming plus Stylish Graphics™, so it wins.


You guys just like Mirror's Edge because you play as an Asian girl :japancry
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 10:40:44 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

better to stick to the status quo than to fail as hard as mirror's edge.

It managed to sell a million copies. Not exactly lighting up the charts, but it's hardly a completely bomb either.


this isn't gaf, I'm not talking about sales... it was like a ubi game.  The first hour or so is great, then the next 6 repeat the first one.  The best part after the initial "wow" of the platforming wears off is the garage scene where you have to plan on taking out a whole bunch of dudes (without guns b/c of pacifist achievement.)  The platforming was practically unnecessary because it was so easy...

Dead Rising is an actual game instead of easy platforming plus Stylish Graphics™, so it wins.


You guys just like Mirror's Edge because you play as an Asian girl :japancry

I started playing Mirror's Edge again on the PC and it's even more fun than when I played it and beat on the Xbox360 about a year ago. So, I guess that means you're wrong!
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 10:46:39 AM
anyhow japan hasn't done anything a tenth as interesting as Mirror's Edge this gen and they quickly going underwater or focusing on casual gaming shit.

better to stick to the status quo than to fail as hard as mirror's edge.

It managed to sell a million copies. Not exactly lighting up the charts, but it's hardly a completely bomb either.


this isn't gaf, I'm not talking about sales... it was like a ubi game.  The first hour or so is great, then the next 6 repeat the first one.  The best part after the initial "wow" of the platforming wears off is the garage scene where you have to plan on taking out a whole bunch of dudes (without guns b/c of pacifist achievement.)  The platforming was practically unnecessary because it was so easy...

Dead Rising is an actual game instead of easy platforming plus Stylish Graphics™, so it wins.


You guys just like Mirror's Edge because you play as an Asian girl :japancry

I started playing Mirror's Edge again on the PC and it's even more fun than when I played it and beat on the Xbox360 about a year ago. So, I guess that means you're wrong!


Welp, can't refute that.  Mirror's Edge GOTY. 
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 28, 2009, 10:50:15 AM
I don't get how the gaming media overlooked all of that and gave it stupid high scores.

Because despite the flaws it was still an awesome game.

Plenty of awesome games in the 5-6 range, too. That's what Error is talking about.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 28, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
Welp, can't refute that.  Mirror's Edge GOTY. 

Weren't you hating on Batman Arkham Asylum and Saint's Row 2 too?  Do you like anything good?   :P
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Raban on September 28, 2009, 02:55:05 PM
Mirror's Edge was GOTY 2008, easily.  It was amazing.

:wag
Mega Man 9, fool.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2009, 04:49:23 PM
When did Mirror's Edge come anywhere near a million units sold? Last I checked, it was at 400k. Unless somebody decided to round up.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Vizzys on September 28, 2009, 04:53:27 PM
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/57075
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
When did Mirror's Edge come anywhere near a million units sold? Last I checked, it was at 400k. Unless somebody decided to round up.

EA announced it back in February. According to them, both Mirror's Edge and Dead Space moved a million copies each.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2009, 04:56:07 PM
Huh. Well, I'll be damned then.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 28, 2009, 05:01:10 PM
Mirror's Edge > Zelda
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 05:05:53 PM
beezy for blicon (black icon)
:lol

GOTG indeed, unless we get a sequel before it's over. :hyper
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 05:07:30 PM
Welp, can't refute that.  Mirror's Edge GOTY. 

Weren't you hating on Batman Arkham Asylum and Saint's Row 2 too?  Do you like anything good?   :P

not seriously hating on batman (though gamers interpret criticism as hatred, can't help that), but yeah, saint's row 2...pretty bad.

mega man 64 GOTF
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: bork on September 28, 2009, 05:38:02 PM

not seriously hating on batman (though gamers interpret criticism as hatred, can't help that), but yeah, saint's row 2...pretty bad.

mega man 64 GOTF

 :wtf
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
Mirror's Edge > Zelda

Zelda sales > Mirror's Edge sales

devastated
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: demi on September 28, 2009, 06:36:50 PM
:lol what a salestard. ctrl+f with you aint it
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: cool breeze on September 28, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
no one cares about sales.  nintard total, found weeping into wii music box.

didn't wii music fail? not even sales can get them out of this situation
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 06:51:03 PM
no one cares about sales.  nintard total, found weeping into wii music box.

didn't wii music fail? not even sales can get them out of this situation

I think it's done over a million.

Good taste annihilated

Weep for the children of tomorrow
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
Mirror's Edge > mario Galaxy
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 06:52:30 PM
no one cares about sales.  nintard total, found weeping into wii music box.

didn't wii music fail? not even sales can get them out of this situation

I think it's done over a million.

Good taste annihilated

Weep for the children of tomorrow

It's sold over TWO AND A HALF million.  :lol
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
Mirror's Edge > mario Galaxy
this is true
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 06:53:56 PM
Mirror's Edge > mario Galaxy

There's a difference between the two games? News to me, I guess.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
Mirror's Edge time trials > every Nintendo game*

*- Exceptions being Yoshi's Island, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Link's Awakening
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2009, 06:59:43 PM
:lol what a salestard. ctrl+f with you aint it

Betcha can't wait for Advent Rising 2, eh? :smug
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 28, 2009, 07:01:48 PM
no one cares about sales.  nintard total, found weeping into wii music box.

didn't wii music fail? not even sales can get them out of this situation

I think it's done over a million.

Good taste annihilated

Weep for the children of tomorrow

It's sold over TWO AND A HALF million.  :lol

this would explain why i'm constantly in an existential crisis
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2009, 07:36:48 PM
Jesus Christ @ Wii Music sales.  The argument against abortion should be over with that little factoid alone.  In fact, I think you could make a reasonable case for extending it into the 100th trimester.
Title: Re: Inafune agrees with the Bore - Japan sucks and is finished
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2009, 07:39:08 PM
Jesus Christ @ Wii Music sales.  The argument against abortion should be over with that little factoid alone.  In fact, I think you could make a reasonable case for extending it into the 100th trimester.

Transformers 2 made $400 million in the US.