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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Jansen on October 02, 2009, 01:54:53 PM

Title: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 02, 2009, 01:54:53 PM
can't wait to find out if it is really the ball buster that everyone claims it is
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: TEEEPO on October 02, 2009, 02:05:05 PM
cool
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 02, 2009, 02:12:29 PM
I heard they made it harder to give people who imported the Asian version a reason to buy it again  :lol
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 02, 2009, 02:16:04 PM
i hope you're joking :(
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 02, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
Yeah, I heard the Japanese/Asian version was already brutal enough.
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Post by: jiji on October 02, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Yeah, I'm getting this.
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Post by: cool breeze on October 02, 2009, 02:26:14 PM
I heard they made it harder to give people who imported the Asian version a reason to buy it again  :lol

Is there a list of all the changes?

I have the asian version and would get it in that TRU deal if they seem worth it.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: TEEEPO on October 02, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
I heard they made it harder to give people who imported the Asian version a reason to buy it again  :lol

 :P sold
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Akala on October 02, 2009, 02:34:35 PM
probably grabbing CE next week.

also, it's not listed on the TRU site, so it's probably a no go on the sale.  :'(
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 02, 2009, 02:39:57 PM
I was with my friend on lunch who check on his pre-order. Gamestop's computer expected it next Saturday which was weird. My friend is bummed.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Fortus on October 02, 2009, 02:49:11 PM
The Atlus guy who posts on GAF has stated they haven't changed anything about the game aside from a little clarification with the text on attributes etc.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 02, 2009, 03:00:30 PM
some of the warning text (left by other players) didn't make sense to me in the first couple hours.  I later realized that they meant there was danger up ahead.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Fortus on October 02, 2009, 03:40:02 PM
As in better localization? That should be expected, I heard that some the text in the Asian version barely made any sense.

I don't know the specifics but yeah there were a few things that were pretty nebulous in the Asian version. Nothing game breaking but you'd scratch your head over a weapon's stats sometimes because they used an arcane symbol instead of STR: STA: etc
Those playing it for the first time are really in for a treat. It merits the hype though I personally think the "difficulty" is a little overstated. Be cautious, mindful of your enviroment and learn the combat mechanics and you shouldn't die every other step...usually  :lol Many of the boss fights are cake but then there's Flamelurker and Maneater(s) who will mercilessly beat you down the first few times you have a go.
The first section of Tower of Latria is definately in my personal hall of fame. Fantastic atmosphere
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 02, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
I'm going to ask for this for my Birthday. I feel like a pre teen ass snorkel for asking for a videogame for my birthday (that's a lot of "for's") but I want it.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 02, 2009, 04:51:36 PM
Is this actually a good game or one of those games that PS3 owners buy because there's nothing else to play?
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 02, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
Is this actually a good game or one of those games that PS3 owners buy because there's nothing else to play?

Good game. If I remember correctly, XFE loved it after finding it to be trash at TGS last year.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 02, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
Is this actually a good game or one of those games that PS3 owners buy because there's nothing else to play?

Genuinely good and very hardcore. Its from the makers of the King's Field series (From Software) but dont' let that put you off, it mainly seems to share the fantastic ambiance and sense of terror, dread, isolation the series is known for.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: muckhole on October 02, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
I was going to hold off picking it up, but I'm worried that will bite me in the ass 'cause it's an Atlus title.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: jiji on October 02, 2009, 05:56:46 PM
I was going to hold off picking it up, but I'm worried that will bite me in the ass 'cause it's an Atlus title.

I don't follow.  ???
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: muckhole on October 02, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
I could be wrong, but don't Atlus games occasionally get low print-runs, and wind up going for stupid money? I don't want to be hunting for this game 6 months from now, only having ridiculous eBay "Buy It Now" prices as an option.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: jiji on October 02, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
I could be wrong, but don't Atlus games occasionally get low print-runs, and wind up going for stupid money? I don't want to be hunting for this game 6 months from now, only having ridiculous eBay "Buy It Now" prices as an option.

Ohhh, right. I was misreading part of what you wrote.

Demon's Souls looked like total trash at TGS'08, but then it came out and proved to be much much better than anybody expected.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 02, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
yeah, at TGS this game looked like janky shit and was running at 10-15 fps.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 04, 2009, 07:38:42 AM
there's no pausing in this game? what the fuck preorder canceled
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: muckhole on October 04, 2009, 11:00:23 AM
I was going to hold off picking it up, but I'm worried that will bite me in the ass 'cause it's an Atlus title.

Don't worry! Atlus is doing an incredibly large (by their standards) launch for Demons Souls and are shipping a "metric poop-ton" of copies out all over the US.


Good to know. I already have so much to play on my plate that adding this to the mix right now seems silly.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 04, 2009, 11:18:25 AM
there's no pausing in this game? what the fuck preorder canceled

it's an (indirect) online game

It also autosaves all the time so you can't undo any failures.  More ways to scare away the ninja dogs.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 04, 2009, 01:33:07 PM
you should be able to pause.

i know this is going to sound CRAZY but sometimes shit happens and you've gotta step away from a game
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 04, 2009, 01:35:07 PM
Apparently there's a spell/item that allows you to warp back to the Nexus (basically a safe point). It does suck that you have to seriously clear time for this game. With that said, apparently the game saves often.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 04, 2009, 01:37:27 PM
hope you can get that spell early in the game
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Post by: tiesto on October 04, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
you should be able to pause.

i know this is going to sound CRAZY but sometimes shit happens and you've gotta step away from a game

Fuck, that sounds annoying.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: GilloD on October 04, 2009, 02:08:27 PM
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Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 04, 2009, 02:39:46 PM
you should be able to pause.

i know this is going to sound CRAZY but sometimes shit happens and you've gotta step away from a game

then you deal with the consequences


Apparently there's a spell/item that allows you to warp back to the Nexus (basically a safe point). It does suck that you have to seriously clear time for this game. With that said, apparently the game saves often.

and this.  You can shut off the game and return without much issue (items not picked up in levels will be gone when you return).  And enemies don't respawn, so in most cases you can just hang back in a level without any problems.  The experience may differ if there are a lot of people playing the NA version since other players can jump into your game and kill you (which is freaky as hell when you first see a powerful guy without an attack pattern coming after you).  In general the game expects you to be pretty hardcore and deal with this stuff.  It sounds odd, but that's a lot of the charm.  It's a bit like Dead Rising and how a lot of people pussed out cause they couldn't deal with the save system.

I should mention that if you expect to pause in the middle of a battle to take a breather or whatever, uh, you can't do that.  Enemies will hunt you down and fuck you up.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: iconoclast on October 04, 2009, 04:53:19 PM
This pretty much sounds like the best game ever, I can't wait. I'm going with free shipping on Amazon because I'm poor, so hopefully I'll have it before long.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: MCD on October 04, 2009, 04:54:45 PM
icono, i can make you rich baby.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Third on October 04, 2009, 05:06:28 PM
Still my GOTY.

I wonder if Uncharted 2 can top this beauty. I personally don't think so. We'll see..
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: archie4208 on October 04, 2009, 05:13:16 PM
Times like these I wish I had a PS3. :(
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: MCD on October 04, 2009, 05:14:57 PM
no you don't.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 05, 2009, 08:27:04 AM
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then you deal with the consequences

the consequence in this case being that atlus doesn't get my money. games that won't let you pause or pause when you go into your inventory can fuck right off.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 05, 2009, 09:19:28 AM
i don't think bringing up the xmb will pause the game and usually with most games on ps360 when you sign out of your profile it takes you back to the main menu.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 05, 2009, 09:47:40 AM
What about pressing the PS button? all recent games pause during offline play when its pressed; you can sign out of PSN midplay and pause if it does.

Demon's Soul is an indirect offline game.  Even though most of the time you play alone, there is co-op, versus and a ghost system that are all happening at the same time.  I think I mentioned above that other players can jump into your gave and attack you at certain times (not all the time).  Even outside of the co-op and versus stuff, you see other players ghosts as they are playing the game in real time; they can leave notes on the ground to read or you can just watch them in a battle and know there is danger up ahead.

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then you deal with the consequences

the consequence in this case being that atlus doesn't get my money. games that won't let you pause or pause when you go into your inventory can fuck right off.


There isn't a real inventory system.  It's not a loot game and you will rarely, if ever, need to stop and change equipment mid-mission.  There isn't much item management either.  Different buttons on the controller switches between herbs and stuff or what weapon you want to use.  It's not like it's an omission and doesn't make sense in the game; most of it is actually well thought out.  But if this stuff really bothers you, I dunno, then don't buy it.  I'm just saying it shouldn't scare you away if you played any online game.  That includes things like Monster Hunter.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 05, 2009, 10:18:53 AM
i wasn't really being serious about not buying it and even if i was it's too late now because amazon is preparing my order for shipment

as long as the game saves often enough it shouldn't be a big deal. still kinda annoying though.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2009, 01:03:49 PM
http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/review-demons-souls

Edge seemed to like it a lot.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 06, 2009, 01:18:39 PM
got my copy

supposedly the royal is easiest to start out as so i think that's what i'll choose
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2009, 01:21:38 PM
I heard Fry's will have this for $49.99.
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Post by: Jansen on October 06, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
i got the deluxe edition (which is pretty nice) for $51.27  :smug
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Post by: Don Flamenco on October 06, 2009, 02:41:16 PM
My deluxe edition should be there when I get home today.  gonna put off my work and play it tonight!
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Post by: Akala on October 06, 2009, 02:43:15 PM
mine won't get here until tomorrow.  :(

reading the gaf thread has me both hype and scared.
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Post by: Jansen on October 06, 2009, 03:00:33 PM
add me so i can invade your world!

psn: xeroxinlola
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: FatalT on October 06, 2009, 03:37:54 PM
I'm planning on picking it up next week at Toys R Us with the Buy 2 Get 1 Free sale.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 06, 2009, 06:06:12 PM
the tales of this games difficulty are not exaggerated
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 06, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
got it

is it harder or easier than king's field 2us or the ancient city?
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 06, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
the tales of this games difficulty are not exaggerated

I decided to replay my import as a Royal and it is really easy compared to Soldier.  Like, I'm a bit shocked how many benefits you get from the start.

wow, I took down the second boss in two minutes without getting hit.  This guy took me a long time as a soldier.
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Post by: Third on October 06, 2009, 06:32:08 PM
I'm only one trophy away from the platinum. But I'll never get platinum thanks to using an exploit.  :-\

I've used the souls exploit during my 4th playthrough. Reached max level and can't trade anymore because you can only trade with people who are around your lvl.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 06, 2009, 06:43:39 PM
most of my deaths are coming from the shit targeting

sometimes i'll be slamming on r3 with a dude 5 feet away from me and the game simply refuses to lock on to em
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 06, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
how do i disable other people from entering my game short of disabling the wifi adapter and/or yanking the ethernet connection
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
how do i disable other people from entering my game short of disabling the wifi adapter and/or yanking the ethernet connection

Signing out of PSN.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 06, 2009, 06:51:18 PM
coolz.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on October 06, 2009, 06:52:51 PM
fuuuuuuuck accidentally had it shipped to my folks' place.  guess i'm "visiting" them this weekend :lol
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: iconoclast on October 06, 2009, 10:04:47 PM
I just finished 1-1, it's pretty awesome. I made a female knight (I think), but I just realized she kinda looks like Paris Hilton, so I'm contemplating starting over.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 07, 2009, 02:17:08 AM
I've already passed my previous character in about a third of the playtime.  Starting as Royal is really helpful and alleviates the frustration at times.

I've been making my character magic/melee.  Now that I'm later on and can deal some damage with a blade, I'm trying to save my ranged magic spells for the bigger enemies or bosses.  I almost have the perfect set of armor and weapons, except I need an equip level of 60 some and I mine is at 42.  Screw that.  I'll keep making my offense stronger so the enemies won't get a chance to touch me  :punch
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Post by: Smooth Groove on October 07, 2009, 03:57:45 AM
How are grafix and story?
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 07, 2009, 09:39:18 AM
graphics are average and the story is practically nonexistent
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Post by: FatalT on October 07, 2009, 06:03:56 PM
I just picked it up. PSN ID is FatalT1
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Post by: Smooth Groove on October 07, 2009, 08:13:54 PM
Holy crap, Demon's Souls is averaging more than 90% on gamerankings. 

Can someone sum up real fast why this game might be that good?  Like what kind of RPG is it? 
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 07, 2009, 09:17:21 PM
Can someone sum up real fast why this game might be that good?  Like what kind of RPG is it? 

Straight up Dungeon Crawler and it doesn't pander to pussy gamers. The difficulty is high but (as stated in the Gamespot review) a lot of the deaths can be blamed on the gamer taking unnecessary risks or not being fast enough with the dodging/parrying. So there is a difficulty curve that feels insurmountable at first but as you play more the experience you gain from playing the game and learning the ins and outs allows you to level up in real life.

There has been comparisons to old school level based games. The way the levels are made up of this game, it could be seen as some Ghost and Goblins (without the platforming) where each level is accessible via a hub.
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Post by: Akala on October 07, 2009, 10:52:23 PM
game is awesome so far, just passed 1-1. only died twice, and one of those was totally my fault.

started as the royal because everyone said it was easier, and it um, is. it kind of reminds me of soloing through a zone that's a bit over your head in an MMO. if you go slow, no real problems...although I haven't been invaded yet.

getting a weird ICO vibe off of it for some reason. probably the cohesiveness of the castle, and seeing it come together in the distance. if it stays strong like this for the whole game this is going to be great.
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Post by: Bebpo on October 07, 2009, 11:40:17 PM
Can the asian version play with the US version?  I still haven't opened my asian version and I'd rather play in a world with an active online community
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 07, 2009, 11:41:38 PM
Asian version has different servers, I believe.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 07, 2009, 11:43:14 PM

started as the royal because everyone said it was easier, and it um, is. it kind of reminds me of soloing through a zone that's a bit over your head in an MMO. if you go slow, no real problems...although I haven't been invaded yet.


woah I think you just sold me on this game, I love those parts of MMO.

Is the game scary though?
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: FatalT on October 07, 2009, 11:48:49 PM
Fuck my ass this game is hard. I've died like 6 times already on stage 1-1.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 07, 2009, 11:49:16 PM
Well that's because you work at Best Buy.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: demi on October 07, 2009, 11:53:24 PM
You're getting annoying again, dude. You must have some sort of disorder to continue the act after the groundings I've given you already.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on October 07, 2009, 11:56:00 PM
Demi, yay or nay on Demon's Souls? 

I have more faith in the word of a non-weeaboo.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 08, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
Fuck my ass this game is hard. I've died like 6 times already on stage 1-1.

what class did you pick?

oh and make sure you return to nexus after beating the first boss

Can the asian version play with the US version? 

nope
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: demi on October 08, 2009, 12:03:39 AM
Demi, yay or nay on Demon's Souls? 

I have more faith in the word of a non-weeaboo.

I don't buy PS3 games.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 08, 2009, 12:21:35 AM
Demi, yay or nay on Demon's Souls? 

I have more faith in the word of a non-weeaboo.

I don't buy PS3 games.

Big props to your integrity. 
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: FatalT on October 08, 2009, 12:27:27 AM
Well that's because you work at Best Buy.

I don't understand how this is an insult.

Fuck my ass this game is hard. I've died like 6 times already on stage 1-1.

what class did you pick?

oh and make sure you return to nexus after beating the first boss

Thanks for the heads up. I still haven't returned to the nexus yet and I've been getting raped by the dragon's fire on the bridges. I picked the Royal guy because I heard he's pretty easy. The magic he can use rocks!
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 08, 2009, 12:27:51 AM
You're getting annoying again, dude. You must have some sort of disorder to continue the act after the groundings I've given you already.

You won't give me Search back :(
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 08, 2009, 12:28:15 AM
And I wasn't insulting you FatalT I was just making sure you still remembered me <3
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: Jansen on October 08, 2009, 12:48:19 AM
since you picked royal i suggest going to the shrine of storms and grinding for souls. each kill nets you damn near 300. i did that yesterday for a few hours and hit soul level 27.

but be warned the enemies have a really annoying attack pattern there

 
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: FatalT on October 08, 2009, 12:56:21 AM
And I wasn't insulting you FatalT I was just making sure you still remembered me <3

I'll always remember you babe. :-*

since you picked royal i suggest going to the shrine of storms and grinding for souls. each kill nets you damn near 300. i did that yesterday for a few hours and hit soul level 27.

but be warned the enemies have a really annoying attack pattern there

 

I still haven't even grasped the concept of how to level up lmao
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: iconoclast on October 08, 2009, 02:46:28 AM
You have to talk to the lady in the black dress inside the Nexus. Then you can pick one stat to upgrade for however many souls (soul requirement increases each level).

This game is ridiculously awesome, but I wish it had more armor. I've cleared 1-1, 1-2, 2-1 and 4-1 and I'm still wearing my lame starting equipment. It's mainly the helmet that I'm sick of.
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: cool breeze on October 08, 2009, 02:56:49 AM
The perfect armor (and I think weapon set) for my character is pretty much thanks to Ostrava.  His weapons + that key to Doran are great.  My only issue is that I'm not strong enough to use the full set and only use the chest piece and boots for now.  Though, I don't know if the Crescent Sword people talk about is as good as the rune sword.  Right now I'm trying to get the Talisman of Beasts from Scirvir and it's insane.  You have to pretty much barrage him with attacks so he can't cast his healing spell (which would make all your attacks worthless) then avoid his attacks, which can kill you in one hit. 
Title: Re: anyone else getting demon's souls next week?
Post by: FatalT on October 08, 2009, 03:38:38 AM
Sweet, I figured out how to level. I'm level 2 now weeee! I'm gonna grind some souls out and get my stats up I guess. What should I level up as a Royal? Strength?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 08, 2009, 05:14:33 PM
Quick question--  does the copy that comes in the deluxe pack have its own UPC or does it say "Not For Resale" or something like that?  I won't have my copy until Sunday, but I'd go buy a copy right now and just return the one in the box later.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 08, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
Quick question--  does the copy that comes in the deluxe pack have its own UPC or does it say "Not For Resale" or something like that?  I won't have my copy until Sunday, but I'd go buy a copy right now and just return the one in the box later.

Mine has its own upc.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 08, 2009, 05:18:32 PM
Wal-Mart didn't have this game I want it so bad.

Also does it have one of those new ugly PS3 box arts like Saw?  ::)
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 08, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
It still has the original box art. My copy in the deluxe edition has its own UPC too.

Also, is it just me, or is 2-2 like 10 minutes long? I swear I was at the boss before I even knew what happened.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on October 08, 2009, 05:42:47 PM
It still has the original box art. My copy in the deluxe edition has its own UPC too.

Also, is it just me, or is 2-2 like 10 minutes long? I swear I was at the boss before I even knew what happened.

Yeah, there are two routes to get to him. You probably took the shortest route...
But did you beat him? I thought he was fucking unbeatable at first..

3-2 was the most difficult boss in the game, imo.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 08, 2009, 06:14:27 PM
Yeah, I beat him. I thought he wasn't too bad (I have the purple shield from 1-1), but he was probably the hardest boss so far. My progression has been 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 4-1, 2-2, 3-1. I think I only died on the tower knight (got crushed by his shield  :lol) and the
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guy in 5-1 (?).

By the way, does loot that you leave behind disappear forever once you leave? 3-1 was packed with items, I had to drop some stuff to make room. It's gone for good isn't it?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on October 08, 2009, 06:28:04 PM
Yep. Items will be gone if you leave them behind.

And better prepare yourself for boss 3-2  :omg

Boss 1-2 was pretty easy. I used the bow and arrows and attacked from a distance lol. Pretty cheap, but going melee on him is way too hard.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 08, 2009, 11:00:22 PM
game is so awesome. just ran the hell away from a giant spider. also, gets a lot harder once your magic doesn't one shot things.  :lol

I seem to have missed the thief ring, so I may go back later and rolling crush.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 09, 2009, 05:08:00 AM
soul level 28 and i beat the boss on 2-1.

i have a bunch of swords and shields i can't use because my skill level is too low
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 09, 2009, 05:26:37 AM
How do you like it so far, Jansen?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 09, 2009, 05:31:02 AM
one of the best rpgs i've played in a long time and easily the ps3's best exclusive.

bout time a game lived up to the insane hype.

tuesday i ended up playing for 10 hours lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: dark1x on October 09, 2009, 09:05:02 AM
Seriously, I didn't expect this game to be THIS good.  It's a FROM Software game too?!  It's like they've FINALLY, after all these years, delivered on what they've been trying to do RPG wise.  I've enjoyed the King's Field series (and even Eternal Ring) in the past, but they were not polished games.  Definitely one of the best games to grace any console this generation.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 09, 2009, 11:46:53 AM
It still has the original box art. My copy in the deluxe edition has its own UPC too.

Also, is it just me, or is 2-2 like 10 minutes long? I swear I was at the boss before I even knew what happened.

Yeah, there are two routes to get to him. You probably took the shortest route...
But did you beat him? I thought he was fucking unbeatable at first..

3-2 was the most difficult boss in the game, imo.

I think 3-2 was pretty easy for me since I did it all out of order.  I did 3 after completing 1, 2 and 4.  I put on total protection and hacked away at the first one until the other one showed up, then I switched to my Kris in my left hand and got them with Soul Light (the magic that shoots through enemies) and finished them that way.  The only scary part is that you can easily fall off the edge when you dodge.

still, :bow total protection :bow2

you just brush off damage

so far the hardest boss that there wasn't an exploit for was the end of 1-4.  I could barely even use magic or heal myself because the boss would constantly rush me, or I had to roll away since he did this big area attack.  The bosses in 4 are probably the easiest.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 09, 2009, 02:00:47 PM
I don't see anyone talking about story.  Is it safe to say that Demon's Souls is more like a single player MMO than a traditional console RPG?

Btw, this game seems to be selling really well.  It was sold out both at Best Buy's and Fry's.  Fry's has so much stock that they rarely sell out. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: dark1x on October 09, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
I don't see anyone talking about story.  Is it safe to say that Demon's Souls is more like a single player MMO than a traditional console RPG?

Btw, this game seems to be selling really well.  It was sold out both at Best Buy's and Fry's.  Fry's has so much stock that they rarely sell out. 
Eh, I dunno, the story is not particularly fleshed out or important, but the sense of exploration and feeling of playing does not remind me of an MMO at all.  It feels like Diablo meets ICO or something with better controls and combat than either of them.  I was surprised at how fun the actual combat can be and how not clunky the game feels (a rare thing for a FROM title).  It's basically a challenging action RPG.

Rest assured that it does not feel anything like an MMO (which could be good or bad depending on your tastes, of course).
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 09, 2009, 02:40:53 PM
I don't see anyone talking about story.  Is it safe to say that Demon's Souls is more like a single player MMO than a traditional console RPG?

Btw, this game seems to be selling really well.  It was sold out both at Best Buy's and Fry's.  Fry's has so much stock that they rarely sell out. 

It's more comparable to Diablo or Monster Hunter than an MMO.  There isn't really a narrative.  The "story" mostly comes from the mise en scene and all that.

and I don't know how it's selling, but I'm surprised by how well it is getting scored on most sites.  It totally expected most reviewers to hate this game because it's a lot more deep and difficult than most games they review.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 09, 2009, 02:41:44 PM
the game isn't super MMOish, but it kind of conveys the feeling to me. if you are familiar with avoiding aggro in MMO's, you already have a skill that (judging by some forums) many people don't have. fighting is either skill-based (melee) or environmental (magic). story is there, but not the focus at all. what's there is pretty cool though, and they don't (so far) go out of their way to overexplain everything. the zones are pretty diverse, and there is a good sense of overall cohesion.

broken record, but the whole game just kind of feels old school, which is awesome.

I think the biggest worry I had about the game going in was that it was going to be stupidly difficult and that I'd just burn out on it or give up. doesn't seem to be the case so far, although I've been relying on magic too much. mobs that are easier to melee are starting to give me problems.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: dark1x on October 09, 2009, 02:48:24 PM
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It totally expected most reviewers to hate this game because it's a lot more deep and difficult than most games they review.
I think it's the approach to challenge that makes it work.  This game could have been highly frustrating but there is something about its design that prevents such a thing from occurring.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 09, 2009, 04:33:11 PM
my save data got corrupted and erased (about 40+ hours between the two characters)

:rofl

oh well.  I'm not upset since I was kinda expecting it since I did the "turn off PS3 before it saves" thing too much to get the Pure Darkmoonstone to upgrade my blade to +5.  Seriously, the game has three crystal lizards in the entire game that drop them. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: dark1x on October 09, 2009, 04:34:47 PM
Can you not copy your save file to a memory stick?  Some games still allow this.  That would let you use this trick as much as you want without worrying about screwing up your data.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 09, 2009, 04:39:01 PM
Nope.  It's one game you can't copy (unless maybe you back up the entire system).

it's no big deal.  I was more annoyed when my first character got the "Ostrava fucking sucks" glitch.  I already had my near perfect character and all I needed was that pure stone to max out the blade.  I also did most of what I wanted in all the levels except 5-2.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 09, 2009, 09:28:45 PM
what's the ostrava glitch?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: FatalT on October 09, 2009, 10:26:00 PM
since you picked royal i suggest going to the shrine of storms and grinding for souls. each kill nets you damn near 300. i did that yesterday for a few hours and hit soul level 27.

but be warned the enemies have a really annoying attack pattern there

 

Holy shiiitttttt these rolling dudes are hilariously raping me but the 300 souls per kill is nice. :D

Hrm, is there really any negative to dying in soul form other than losing souls if you don't touch your bloodstain before you die again? If not then I'm just gonna keep dying to these rolling guys and getting my blood stain back over and over so I don't have to go through the loading screen to get back to the nexus.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 09, 2009, 10:48:03 PM
since you picked royal i suggest going to the shrine of storms and grinding for souls. each kill nets you damn near 300. i did that yesterday for a few hours and hit soul level 27.

but be warned the enemies have a really annoying attack pattern there

 

Holy shiiitttttt these rolling dudes are hilariously raping me but the 300 souls per kill is nice. :D

Hrm, is there really any negative to dying in soul form other than losing souls if you don't touch your bloodstain before you die again? If not then I'm just gonna keep dying to these rolling guys and getting my blood stain back over and over so I don't have to go through the loading screen to get back to the nexus.

I hope not, I was doing that earlier. I think it only affects the world light/dark if you die as a human, not in soul form.

Took me a little while to learn the pattern. I can smoke them now.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
if they're alone :lol
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Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 09, 2009, 10:54:44 PM
i can beat the hell out of them now.

sucks now tho since it takes me 5000+ to upgrade a stat.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 09, 2009, 11:41:09 PM
what's the ostrava glitch?

He randomly disappears (even if you saved him) and you lose access to his key, which opens a door in 1-1 that could get you a powerful sword (more importantly one of the two swords required to forge an even better one) and a foe who drops the best armor in the game (imo, since it's the lightest and has great defense).  The person you fight is also one of the most fun fights in the game.

and for grinding, in my last game I would do it in 1-4 (assuming you can kill red-eye knights easily) and 1-3 (assuming you can kill blue-eye knights easily).  In both cases you have wide open areas and several of them that you can pick off one by one.  In this play through, 4-4 is definitely the best.

4-4
spoiler (click to show/hide)
is basically a bunch of enemies flying around that normally drop a bit over 1000.  Add the ring that increases souls earned + thirst spell and you get about 2000-3000 per kill, and there are quite a few flying around, and each can be taken down with magic easily.  You get about 20k+ souls in one go.
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Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 10, 2009, 08:32:50 AM
5-1 boss is hella easy. i just stood above it and cast flame spells till it was dead. boss on 4-1 keeps kicking my ass tho

6000 souls to upgrade a stat is the pits :(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 10, 2009, 12:15:33 PM
4-1 was maybe the easiest boss for me because I didn't even realize what was going on.  It was the first time a friendly black phantom came into my game (btw, I killed him and another guy before realizing they were trying to help  :lol) and he rushed through the level killing all the enemies for me.  When I caught up, he showed me the fog gateway, took a bow, and killed himself.  I went through the fog and realized I stepped into a boss battle.  I just shot whatever it was in the head a few times and it died.  Never even got a good look at it.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 10, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
3-1 suuuuuucks. lost like 5k souls by rolling off a cliff like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow way deep in the stage, then on the next run an octopus got me early because I kind of rushed it and didn't notice all the prisoners running around.

graaah.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 10, 2009, 01:13:17 PM
i just beat 3-1. once you figure out how to fight the mind flayers it's pretty easy and the boss on that level is a joke.

now i have advanced spells since i rescued sage freke.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 10, 2009, 01:21:27 PM
is there a way to rescue freke before you fight the boss, or do you have to go back for him? I saw him and some other guy's soul locked up in cells, but didn't have keys on me at the time. the ledge near the big arrow statue was the farthest I got last night.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 10, 2009, 01:26:45 PM
i think you can save him before fighting the boss.

you need to go up the into the tower on the right when you're facing the cathedral (behind the crazy huge arrow shooting thing). once you get the special keys go back to the third floor and save him.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on October 10, 2009, 01:27:53 PM
You can rescue Freke before the boss. Just find the key and go to his cell. The next time you'll go to the Nexus, he'll be there too.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
This game sounds so good!  Every single person I know irl is raving to me about it.  Going to open up my asian version after lunch and give it a try finally.  If the servers are dead and the game rocks I might double dip and start playing the US instead.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 10, 2009, 03:50:39 PM
i got raped by an invading black phantom and lost 25000 souls :(

in anger i invaded someone right after i respawned, killed them, and got my body form back but wasn't able to recover my souls.

ah well at least i beat the 4-1 boss.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 10, 2009, 05:29:04 PM
This game sounds so good!  Every single person I know irl is raving to me about it.  Going to open up my asian version after lunch and give it a try finally.  If the servers are dead and the game rocks I might double dip and start playing the US instead.

Game still has a lot of player in the Asian version (version I was playing a day ago).  I've had several friendly and enemy black phantoms enter my game, plus there is always at least one ghost running around and a bunch of messages on the floor.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Purple Filth on October 10, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 10, 2009, 07:27:28 PM
Giant Bomb bashed it hardcore in their Quick Look.

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-demons-souls/17-1485/?_loginat=1255213469508

Amirox is flipping out over on GAF.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: treythemovie on October 10, 2009, 07:45:37 PM
Giant Bomb bashed it hardcore in their Quick Look.

http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-demons-souls/17-1485/?_loginat=1255213469508

Amirox is flipping out over on GAF.
eh, they didn't really bash it. Jeff hated it but Dave seems intrigued and Vinny, who is actually playing it, is on the fence. Seems like a rather nice reaction to a game as niche as this.

And yes, Amirox is indeed flipping out over it  :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 07:52:56 PM
They didn't really bash it...they were just dreading the difficulty.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 10, 2009, 07:58:54 PM
Jeff said the game is awful.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2009, 08:08:14 PM
And yes, Amirox is indeed flipping out over it  :lol

Its sort of amazing when mods act like the worst examples of a fanboy sometimes over there and everybody pretends they aren't acting in such a manner because they are mods. And it goes beyond just Amirox although he is the most common offender.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 10, 2009, 08:08:57 PM
Well it doesnt help that you have Evilore in it with him.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 10, 2009, 08:15:29 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.

King's Field :punch
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2009, 08:21:37 PM

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You have been banned for the following reason:
Perpetually belittling everyone involved in a gaming discussion while sitting on the sideline acting as the lone voice of reason. It's annoying elitism and it's time to stop.

Date the ban will be lifted: 11-10-2009, 11:00 PM

lol. I got banned.

Their rules but still funny.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: demi on October 10, 2009, 08:27:06 PM
yeah asshole stop being elite on the preeminent gaming forum
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: bork on October 10, 2009, 08:28:50 PM

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You have been banned for the following reason:
Perpetually belittling everyone involved in a gaming discussion while sitting on the sideline acting as the lone voice of reason. It's annoying elitism and it's time to stop.

Date the ban will be lifted: 11-10-2009, 11:00 PM

lol. I got banned.

Their rules but still funny.



You got banned for being the lone voice of reason?   :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: treythemovie on October 10, 2009, 08:30:07 PM

Quote
You have been banned for the following reason:
Perpetually belittling everyone involved in a gaming discussion while sitting on the sideline acting as the lone voice of reason. It's annoying elitism and it's time to stop.

Date the ban will be lifted: 11-10-2009, 11:00 PM

lol. I got banned.

Their rules but still funny.

:lol

But you are the the lone voice of reason most of the time.... and thats suppose to be a good thing!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2009, 08:33:06 PM
Completely within their right.

What is funny though is that I only got banned after indirectly mocking a mod instead of the thousands of posters I've done it to. But he goes with the, "You've been warned mister. Time to drop the hammer" defense.

;)

It is what it is. Don't poke the bear.

I'll stop derailing this thread though. It just happened as I was cross-posting in the same thread on both forums so it struck me as funny and worth mentioning.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 10, 2009, 08:34:36 PM
Who are you on gaf
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 10, 2009, 08:46:56 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.

King's Field :punch

I never played a King's Field.  how much are they like Demon's Soul?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 10, 2009, 08:55:56 PM
I have to thank Methodis for posting that giantbomb video. 

After watching that video, I'm glad that I wasn't able to find it in stores.  I'll still give it a try but only when the price comes down to $30.

As a PC gamer, the gameplay just doesn't seem particularly innovative or fun to me. 

It just seems like trying to make it through the hard parts of a MMO by yourself. 

The graphics are also  :yuck. The game looks like it's running on a slightly updated version of Enclave's engine. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 10, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.

King's Field :punch

I never played a King's Field.  how much are they like Demon's Soul?

Think of the ambiance and dungeon crawling from Demon's Soul but the first person viewpoint and nearly open ended exploration of The Elder Scrolls (though you don't go out into a world, your contained to a series of dungeons). Its one of those games where it doesn't really guide you on where you have to go so you feel like a fish out of water.

If you can deal with the shitty graphics, I really recommend the original King's Field US for the PSX. The games are very slow (which is what usually causes people to drop the game). Demon's Souls stamina system (and how important it is) is something that has been carried over from King's Field, so running everywhere can get you in trouble.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 09:15:02 PM

Quote
You have been banned for the following reason:
Perpetually belittling everyone involved in a gaming discussion while sitting on the sideline acting as the lone voice of reason. It's annoying elitism and it's time to stop.

Date the ban will be lifted: 11-10-2009, 11:00 PM

lol. I got banned.

Their rules but still funny.



You got banned for being the lone voice of reason?   :lol


I knew gaf was secretly anti-intellectual!  :rofl
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 10, 2009, 09:15:54 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.

King's Field :punch

I never played a King's Field.  how much are they like Demon's Soul?

Think of the ambiance and dungeon crawling from Demon's Soul but the first person viewpoint and nearly open ended exploration of The Elder Scrolls (though you don't go out into a world, your contained to a series of dungeons). Its one of those games where it doesn't really guide you on where you have to go so you feel like a fish out of water.

If you can deal with the shitty graphics, I really recommend the original King's Field US for the PSX.

how is the combat?

I really like the combat in Demon's Soul.  Can't imagine it will be the same in first person.  As long as it's reflex based and not all about stats, I will be fine.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 10, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.

King's Field :punch

I never played a King's Field.  how much are they like Demon's Soul?

Think of the ambiance and dungeon crawling from Demon's Soul but the first person viewpoint and nearly open ended exploration of The Elder Scrolls (though you don't go out into a world, your contained to a series of dungeons). Its one of those games where it doesn't really guide you on where you have to go so you feel like a fish out of water.

If you can deal with the shitty graphics, I really recommend the original King's Field US for the PSX.

how is the combat?

I really like the combat in Demon's Soul.  Can't imagine it will be the same in first person.  As long as it's reflex based and not all about stats, I will be fine.

The first King's Field combat is a bit archaic. If you ever played Dagger Fall, its like that but there's no dice rolling involved (if you hit the monster, you'll cause damage). I believe weapons and armor end up being the biggest upgrades over enemies instead of stats.

The combat involves lots of strafing and timed swings (swooping in and out, trying to get behind the enemy). Though its definitely not as refined as Demon's Souls.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 09:20:18 PM
Jeff said the game is awful.


that's to be expected.  He is never a fan of difficult and unforgiving games with old school mechanics.  

its crazy how the perception of the game as done a 180 here.


or anywhere, for that matter.  I never expect great things from From Software.

King's Field :punch


that's one series that I've never tried or paid attention to.  

wait, Tenchu Wrath of Heaven was so-so.  of course, I played it before I became a hyper-opinionated gamer with obsessively specific tastes  :'(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: demi on October 10, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
you never played KINGS FIELD? fuckin BASTARD. robbing yourself of good gaming. i should ban you. i am the voice of reason.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 09:28:31 PM
nobody talked about it before Demon's Souls came out...I didn't know it existed.   :'(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 10, 2009, 10:25:05 PM
Played the first stage & boss today and it was AWESOME.  Random thoughts:

-The controls are soooooooooooo good.  This surprised me more than anything because when I think FROM SOFTWARE I think clunky and slow controls (Ie. Otogi).  You move and swing and roll faster and smoother than your average action game, which is weird for an rpg!  But very, very, very awesome.  I feel like I'm kicking ass.

-Love the experience system and way the structure of the game is setup.  I had heard it was evil, but I've never felt like any minute was wasted.  It's not like a normal game where you play an hour, die, and lose an hours progress.  You're always gaining stuff and you can stockpile souls into weapons or retreat and stat up.  It's more like DQ in that way of not losing anything.

-Love the traps.  Man it's been forever since I played a game with traps.  Especially cool when you turn them on the enemies.

-Love the physics.  Having the dead bodies twirl around and being able to smash almost everything is great!

-Secrets...:D

-I picked a Royal cause that's what everyone's recommending but it seems kind of...cheap?  I mean with MP regen you just stand back and shoot enemies with auto-aim before they even get near you.  I feel bad because I'm not even being forced to learn enemy patterns. 

-The online is great.  On the asian servers there still bloodspots left EVERYWHERE which is totally cool seeing people die and realizing you better fucking be careful at that area.  Same with the writing, although from what I hear the US version has better writing to warn you of stuff.  I see white ghosts everywhere...are those other players actually playing?  Or are they like recordings of players who have played there in the past?  I'm guessing the big difference between Asia server and US server is for co-op fighting and pvp; I don't think there are a ton of people on the Asia server, and if they are they are like EXPERT PLAYERS by now.  Is the coop awesome?  It would seem useful to have a 2nd person as you went through the stages.  But I dunno if it's worth double dipping just for that.

-One thing that's neat is how once you learn the stages they become much easier.  I could totally see myself running through the starting castle in a single quick run even if I had to restart on the US version.

-Finally fuck the tech graphic whores, this is one of the best looking games I've played this gen.  It's sooo smooth and responsive with huge areas that look EPIC and nice textures that From is known for.  It might not be a tech wonder, but the art direction and framerate really make this awe-inspiring to explore.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 10:26:26 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck  i went to pick up a temporary copy and all the stores around me are totally sold out.  wow.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 10, 2009, 10:35:01 PM
Kranz, just play a superior game like Titan's Quest Gold instead.  You can still buy it for $5 at Direct2drive. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 10, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Kranz, just play a superior game like Titan's Quest Gold instead.  You can still buy it for $5 at Direct2drive. 


:bow :bow :bow titan quest gold :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: archie4208 on October 10, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
I loved King's Field when it first came out.  I wonder if it still holds up today.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 10, 2009, 11:01:07 PM
Seriously, even with the Xbot goggles off, I don't see what all the fawning over Demon's Souls is about.  

There's nothing particularly innovative or spectacular about the gameplay.  Fundamentally, DS doesn't even play much differently from something like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

And forget what Bebpo said about its mediocre graphics.  Bebpo's proven in the Bayonetta thread that he can't recognize bad graphics even when it's shoved up his weeaboo ass.  
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2009, 11:11:59 PM
Seriously, even with the Xbot goggles off, I don't see what all the fawning over Demon's Souls is about.  

There's nothing particularly innovative or spectacular about the gameplay.  Fundamentally, DS doesn't even play much differently from something like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.

And forget what Bebpo said about its mediocre graphics.  Bebpo's proven in the Bayonetta thread that he can't recognize bad graphics even when it's shoved up his weeaboo ass.  

Never played it so obviously if it was in my hands it could actually be a good game and I might change my mind but even if I turned down the volume on that quick look, it makes the game look pretty bad and lame. I couldn't imagine dicking around in that for hours unless the combat system gets a whole lot better than that.

But then I feel roughly the same way about Dead Rising. Never understood the hype on that one either outside of the great concept and theme which I thought were sort of ruined by poor execution and poor controls.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 10, 2009, 11:50:52 PM
Kranz, just play a superior game like Titan's Quest Gold instead.  You can still buy it for $5 at Direct2drive. 

I loved the shit out of Titan Quest until my save got corrupted.  and now I don't own a PC anymore (though I'll probably get windows 7 and dual boot.)
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 10, 2009, 11:55:34 PM
Never played it so obviously if it was in my hands it could actually be a good game and I might change my mind but even if I turned down the volume on that quick look, it makes the game look pretty bad and lame. I couldn't imagine dicking around in that for hours unless the combat system gets a whole lot better than that.
 

I thought that the combat system was pretty smooth for a rpg but the environments are so dreary and dull that I can't imagine having fun going through each level several times.  

Kranz, just play a superior game like Titan's Quest Gold instead.  You can still buy it for $5 at Direct2drive. 

I loved the shit out of Titan Quest until my save got corrupted.  and now I don't own a PC anymore (though I'll probably get windows 7 and dual boot.)

Did you apply the fan patch for Titan Quest?  It fixes many of the bugs. 

I've been using Windows 7 for almost a month and so far, I think it's far superior to Vista.  Superficially, they might appear to be similar but Windows 7 is simply faster, more stable and more intuitive.  If you're gonna dual-boot, don't bother with Vista since almost all Vista programs will run on Windows 7.

Just go with XP and Win7.  If you aren't going to be playing any games older than 5 years, then don't even bother dual-booting with XP.  I still have XP but I've found no reason to use it at all. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 10, 2009, 11:57:23 PM
Hey I was thinking of restarting a new Titan Quest campaign again, wanna play multiplayer?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 10, 2009, 11:58:30 PM
Never played it so obviously if it was in my hands it could actually be a good game and I might change my mind but even if I turned down the volume on that quick look, it makes the game look pretty bad and lame. I couldn't imagine dicking around in that for hours unless the combat system gets a whole lot better than that.
 

I thought that the combat system was pretty smooth for a rpg but the environments are so dreary and dull that I can't imagine having fun going through each level several times.  

Supposedly your supposed to be able to open up shortcuts so the treks through each area isn't as long (once you progress deeper into them). About the environments they just get more dreary and oppressive.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 10, 2009, 11:58:51 PM
das ist correct
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 11, 2009, 12:06:50 AM
Never played it so obviously if it was in my hands it could actually be a good game and I might change my mind but even if I turned down the volume on that quick look, it makes the game look pretty bad and lame. I couldn't imagine dicking around in that for hours unless the combat system gets a whole lot better than that.
 

I thought that the combat system was pretty smooth for a rpg but the environments are so dreary and dull that I can't imagine having fun going through each level several times.  

Kranz, just play a superior game like Titan's Quest Gold instead.  You can still buy it for $5 at Direct2drive. 

I loved the shit out of Titan Quest until my save got corrupted.  and now I don't own a PC anymore (though I'll probably get windows 7 and dual boot.)

Did you apply the fan patch for Titan Quest?  It fixes many of the bugs. 

I've been using Windows 7 for almost a month and so far, I think it's far superior to Vista.  Superficially, they might appear to be similar but Windows 7 is simply faster, more stable and more intuitive.  If you're gonna dual-boot, don't bother with Vista since almost all Vista programs will run on Windows 7.

Just go with XP and Win7.  If you aren't going to be playing any games older than 5 years, then don't even bother dual-booting with XP.  I still have XP but I've found no reason to use it at all. 


I didn't apply the fan patch, I didn't even know it existed at the time.  I'm excited to check out windows 7 though I'm not sure how much gaming I'll get done with macbook specs: 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB DDR3, and 9400M Geforce.  might run TQ decently if I bottom out the settings.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: duckman2000 on October 11, 2009, 12:12:11 AM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck  i went to pick up a temporary copy and all the stores around me are totally sold out.  wow.

Some people (read: Sony tards) seem to think that it means incredible sales. Doesn't it seem more likely that it's an oddball title and therefore poorly stocked?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 11, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
Atlus said it's a big shipment for them, so that's like...100,000 copies or something?  i don't know shit about sales-age...
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: duckman2000 on October 11, 2009, 12:16:56 AM
Me neither, just didn't look like a title that stores would buy a ton of. But what the hell do I know.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 11, 2009, 12:19:47 AM
my gamestop (in the middle of chicago) only got a handful of non-preorder copies, so I imagine it's low stock.  probably won't crack the npd.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 11, 2009, 12:28:49 AM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck  i went to pick up a temporary copy and all the stores around me are totally sold out.  wow.

Some people (read: Sony tards) seem to think that it means incredible sales. Doesn't it seem more likely that it's an oddball title and therefore poorly stocked?

Definitely has to be small shipments. I'm happy that its selling through whatever they've sent though :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: FatalT on October 11, 2009, 12:39:02 AM
I'm pretty excited the game is doing so well too. Atlus titles usually never sell in my area and it seems to be sold out everywhere. I'm gonna farm some more souls tonight and pump my stats. Unnnggghhh!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
How is royal not incredibly overpowered with its magic?  I did 1-1, 1-2, and 2-1 today and it's been a fairly easy ride.  I died about 6-8 times in 1-1 learning the game, twice in 1-2 on the boss, and once in 2-1 because of the DOGS which I have no strategy against right now when 2-3 rush me down.  Otherwise, just going through the levels 1 hit killing ever enemy from far with magic arrow has made it very doable.  It must be an entirely different game doing a physical run where you have to learn enemy patterns, dodge/parry them at risk to yourself, and then counter with hits that don't even kill in 1 hit.  :X
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 11, 2009, 02:06:02 AM
I've read the game starts to really nerf the effectiveness of Magic farther into the game. PREPARE YOURSELF, BEBPO.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2009, 02:07:52 AM
BRING IT ON

/ps. what is a good strategy for dogs?  I can't block them and if I roll or something it doesn't work since there are several and they are fast and hit me when I'm getting up.  They're also fast so by the time I shoot/hit one the other two are stabbing me. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 11, 2009, 02:47:43 AM
I'm playing a melee character so it's a bit different for me, but I lure them out with the bow. On 2-1, you can see a single one waiting in the distance near the start of the stage. You can pull him by himself. Then the other two dogs will spawn, and you might be able to pull them out one at a time. You definitely can with a Thief's Ring (reduces aggro distance).

Anyway, already a good way into my New Game+. I wish I knew that Demon Souls were unique (meaning you can only hold one each), as I had several left over from my previous run. I already wasted the Tower Knight's soul...

Oh well, just gonna try to take Flamewalker out ASAP. I just finished 2-1, and right at the start of 2-2 I saw a crystal lizard, so I went to kill him for his fat lewt. Then, as luck would have it, a phantom invaded as I was shooting him. One good whack with my Meat Cleaver took him down to 40-45%, and then he dodged right into one of those exploding mine carts and got killed. That'll make him lose a soul point, right?  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 11, 2009, 03:11:45 AM
I love Titan's Quest, and it sucks compared to this.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: cool breeze on October 11, 2009, 03:37:06 AM
The first King's Field combat is a bit archaic. If you ever played Dagger Fall, its like that but there's no dice rolling involved (if you hit the monster, you'll cause damage). I believe weapons and armor end up being the biggest upgrades over enemies instead of stats.

The combat involves lots of strafing and timed swings (swooping in and out, trying to get behind the enemy). Though its definitely not as refined as Demon's Souls.

I might load it up on my PSP and try it.  I don't have a problem with old crappy PS1 graphics.

and geez, are some of you people really trying to judge the game based on the video?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 11, 2009, 04:43:47 AM
About the environments they just get more dreary and oppressive.

and that's part of what makes this game so awesome.

the sense of dread and the constant fear of dying make for a really intense experience.

on 5-1 i was constantly terrified that i'd fall into the canyon and once i finished the level i felt so relieved and victorious.

games rarely have that effect on me these days and it's great when one is designed so well that it gives you a real sense of accomplishment.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on October 11, 2009, 04:45:33 AM
Holy shit I want this game so bad. Why is it exclusive?  :-\
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on October 11, 2009, 05:41:04 AM
It's under RROD warranty. Mr. Gates takes good care of me.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on October 11, 2009, 05:55:47 AM
I've been recently considering letting him feed me his slim.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on October 11, 2009, 08:44:28 AM
Is that giantbomb guy distinguished mentally-challenged? He can't play for shit.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 11, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
Just beat Flamelurker in the New Game+... Damn, he was brutal. If I had a decent sword he probably would have been easier, but he raped me and my Meat Cleaver more times than I care to remember  :lol. Wound up using most of my Late Moon Grass as well. At least the soul payout is good (90k)!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 11, 2009, 12:24:51 PM
can't wait to start this tonight when my folks bring by my deluxe edition. 

it doesn't actually look all that hard in the videos.  It seems like if you go slowly through dungeons and wait for the enemies to go into recovery animations before you attack, you can avoid a lot of unnecessary damage.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on October 11, 2009, 12:31:04 PM
can't wait to start this tonight when my folks bring by my deluxe edition. 

it doesn't actually look all that hard in the videos.  It seems like if you go slowly through dungeons and wait for the enemies to go into recovery animations before you attack, you can avoid a lot of unnecessary damage.

Yeah, you'll eventually learn the enemy attack patters. The first level and its boss (1-1) is pretty easy, haven't died once there.
But other levels can become pretty hard. Even if you know how the enemies attack. They still somehow manage to fuck you up.

I would advice everyone to equip the Thief ring ALL THE TIME. Can be found in lvl 1-1. Without the ring enemies see you from far away and they will hunt you down until you're dead. With the thief ring you can run away and enemies won't hunt your ass down. And enemies won't see you immediately with the thief ring equipped.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 11, 2009, 12:36:23 PM
cool, i'll be sure to get that. 

anyone have impressions of the strat guide that comes with the DE?  is it a double jump guide?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 11, 2009, 02:54:04 PM
Guide has some useful info, but could be better. Not really sure it's worth the extra
money.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2009, 04:18:04 PM
3-1 was annoying.  Took me like 4 hours :\
Plus when I met the black phantom at the end I thought it was a player and not an NPC with AI patterns so I got owned and assumed the player stole my souls so I didn't even go look for them and then I died against the phantom again and lost 10k souls >_<  Then I got to the boss and realized I had left all my healing items at the nexus before I went to 3-1 and the enemies had only given me MP recover items.  So yeah, with no healing items the boss was >_<

At least it's done now.  On to 4-1, and 5-1 next!  Soul level is 29 now.  Been pumping most of my stats into magic and HP/DEF.  My magic is at 20.  End/Vit around 15.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2009, 06:05:18 PM
I hate this game.  I'm supposed to be working and all I can think about is "welllll I could do the work later and PLAY SOME DEMON SOULS NOW"

 >:(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: FatalT on October 11, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
I just beat the Tower Knight and got my body back but now I'm afraid to play because I feel like I'm about to get invaded at any moment.  :omg
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 11, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
Speaking of the black phantom on 3-1, I was coming back from killing the priest on the top level and dropped off the railing to pick up that item (what was it, like two lotus petals or something?). I completely forgot about the phantom and jumped right down, and as soon as I landed he shot me with his crossbow once and killed me instantly.

Then when I was rushing back to get my souls, I got killed by one of the octopus men who was offscreen while I was fighting another octopus man. Wound up losing 60k souls  :-\

So far the most I lost was 100k... I'm sure that's nothing compared to some people though. I'd love to read horror stories about several hundred thousand  :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 11, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Speaking of the black phantom on 3-1, I was coming back from killing the priest on the top level and dropped off the railing to pick up that item (what was it, like two lotus petals or something?). I completely forgot about the phantom and jumped right down, and as soon as I landed he shot me with his crossbow once and killed me instantly.

Then when I was rushing back to get my souls, I got killed by one of the octopus men who was offscreen while I was fighting another octopus man. Wound up losing 60k souls  :-\

So far the most I lost was 100k... I'm sure that's nothing compared to some people though. I'd love to read horror stories about several hundred thousand  :lol

Yeah, the first time I got killed by the 3-1 phantom I had dropped down for the item.  Grabbed it, jumped off and landed with my back to the phantom and he 1 hit critical stabbed me in the back to kill me.  Fucked up!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 12, 2009, 01:16:46 AM
okay, foot in mouth, this game is fucking tough.   :'(

i think it's all about patience.  My first life in 1-1 was the longest, I even managed to kill the red eyed guy who gives you 2000 souls, cause i did everything cautiously. but then, i went through the fog next to the blue eyed guy, accidentally pressed on to the ledge overlooking the pit of zombies, fell in and got mauled.  and now I keep dying stupid deaths cause i'm impatient :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 12, 2009, 03:15:38 AM
cleared 2-2 & 2-3 and grinded for several hours on 4-2

you can get tons of souls real quick by ignoring the invisible dudes and just killing the reaper by the altar at the beginning of the level and then running off of the cliff. return, kill the reaper again, jump down and touch your blood stain then jump off of the cliff again. repeat until the boredom overwhelms you completely.

each reaper kill nets you 4500
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 13, 2009, 01:37:55 AM
Awesome, still on 1-1, 3 and a half hours later.  As long as I beat the Giant Bomb guy's time (5 hours.) :lol   Just got the scimitar and figured out where to get the purple flame shield, so I should get it on my next run.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: FatalT on October 13, 2009, 02:26:51 AM
Awesome, still on 1-1, 3 and a half hours later.  As long as I beat the Giant Bomb guy's time (5 hours.) :lol   Just got the scimitar and figured out where to get the purple flame shield, so I should get it on my next run.

Scimitar? Purple flame shield? Tell me more!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 13, 2009, 02:33:30 AM
The purple flame shield, the strength ring, and the flame resistance ring are all on the dragon hill.  I got most of the treasures by walking on the bridge to trigger the dragon then sprinting to the hill and stealing treasures and running back.  The final treasure at the end (the strength ring) was giving me trouble as the tail kept crushing me, so I just got it after getting to 1-2 when both dragons had mysteriously vanished.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 14, 2009, 05:46:39 PM
5-1 sucked.  The enemies are all grunts except the two bigger trolls so the soul payout is terrible and the boss is a joke.  First area I beat in body form and I didn't even get enough souls to gain 1 soul level, wtffff.  I hope the rest of world 5 doesn't suck as much.  I've enjoyed worlds 1-4 so far.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on October 14, 2009, 06:28:31 PM
Yeah, 5-1 was fucking annoying. I fell a gazillion times in the abyss.

5-2 is totally different. But also annoying - see it for yourself.  :-*
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2009, 02:32:37 AM
2-2 was a bitch.  Flamelurker was fine; in fact he was fun and I had to be creative as a mage.  But the level...ugh.  Spent a while navigating the tunnels and getting treasures.  Then the whole falling bit was a pain until I turned my brightness up.  Falling randomly into pitch black = the suck!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2009, 04:13:39 AM
I feel like I'm approaching the burntout point.  :X  I spend all my free time with this and it's awesome but then afterwords I'm like ohgodwheredidmytimego 

Might need to take a break for a couple of days and then marathon the last 60%.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 15, 2009, 05:01:40 AM
A couple days ago I was feeling a little burnout, but I figured I'd play through it once more and get the platinum trophy. And then my PS3 broke.

I'm having withdrawals at the moment.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 15, 2009, 01:56:28 PM
A couple days ago I was feeling a little burnout, but I figured I'd play through it once more and get the platinum trophy. And then my PS3 broke.

I'm having withdrawals at the moment.

Wow, that is terrible since the demon souls save isn't copyable.  Was it the disc drive that died?  Or the yellow lights?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 15, 2009, 02:12:20 PM
The disc drive. It won't even spin the discs any more.

The only way to keep my DS save file is if I do a full system backup, and get my exact system back from Sony. But I'm sure they're just gonna toss it in a pile and send me some refurbished one. I'll be hassling someone on their support line before I send it in though.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 15, 2009, 03:20:21 PM
The disc drive. It won't even spin the discs any more.

The only way to keep my DS save file is if I do a full system backup, and get my exact system back from Sony. But I'm sure they're just gonna toss it in a pile and send me some refurbished one. I'll be hassling someone on their support line before I send it in though.

That sucks.  :-\
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: demi on October 15, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
Damn PS3 breaks so easily...
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 16, 2009, 11:23:21 AM
yeah, ragequit.  Fuck this game. can't seem to make it past 1-1.  :lol 

I'm holding off until winter break to really get into it.  I like the concept a lot, but I need a lot of free time to really get into it. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 16, 2009, 12:55:49 PM
did you pick royalty?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 16, 2009, 01:36:08 PM
yeah.   is that bad?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2009, 02:31:43 PM
What part in 1-1 is giving you trouble atm?  It's a community game, the hint messages and coop and forum discussion is meant to offset the difficulty somewhat.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 16, 2009, 02:38:00 PM
The boss of 4-1 just glitched in my favor. :lol

I fireballed him, and expected a good fight, but he just stood there getting roasted. Works for me.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 16, 2009, 03:54:05 PM
yeah.   is that bad?

nope. easiest class to start with.

if you could just get past 1-1 you could get some help by co-oping with someone.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 17, 2009, 12:02:44 AM
It's not even that I'm bad.  I get greedy and careless.  Like "oh the dragon's still over there breathing fire, think I'll try and go for the renowned hero's so--*burns* FUUUUUUUU."  Sometimes it's just dumb stuff like forgetting to block, or not reacting in time to roll. I could make it to the boss if I went straight through, but I'm being a completionist... 

I found some good tricks though...namely that you can guard crush the guys with the blue eyes and red eyes by hurling a couple spells at them, leaving them open for a hit. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 17, 2009, 12:14:29 AM
it's so much easier to return to 1-1 and explore after you've killed the dragon in 1-2
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 17, 2009, 12:16:19 AM
i can go back?  well fuck  8)
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2009, 12:27:20 AM
Kill the dragon in 1-2???
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 17, 2009, 12:30:50 AM
shit yeah you can kill it as long as you have a bow and plenty of arrows. just stand on top of the first tower in 1-2 and fire away!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 17, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
You get anything cool for beating it?

And if you kill the flying one in 1-2, can you kill the sleeping one in 1-1 while it sits there?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 17, 2009, 12:55:06 AM
you get a soul but i haven't found a use for it yet. the only reason i took it down was because i found it annoying. and no, i don't think you can kill the sleeping one.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 17, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
All you get for killing the red dragon is souls (and his demon soul, which has no uses besides consuming it). You can kill the blue dragon in
spoiler (click to show/hide)
1-4
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and again you only get souls and a trophy. You need a couple hundred arrows and it takes like half an hour of shooting them in the face.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 18, 2009, 05:19:56 AM
killed the penetrator boss and king doran today. it took awhile to kill doran with poison cloud and honestly his armor wasn't as good as i hoped it would be :(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: patrickula on October 19, 2009, 12:48:57 AM
Sheeeeit, 1-1 didn't give me much trouble, but I'm stuck already on 1-2  :-\

I picked the Wanderer class which I've quite enjoyed, though I'm using a lot of the winged spear now.

It seems like it's pretty damn hard to beat the Tower Knight without using magic or tons of arrows... I don't have any magic and I don't want to grind souls to buy arrows :-/
Also, the blue-eyed knights keep killing me before I get to him :maf
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2009, 05:08:19 AM
Starting to get owned hard in the 2nd half of this game.  1-4 is pretty nasty and once I get to the caves in 4-2 with the respawning laser blobs I just die horribly and can't advance at all.  Probably lost 70k+ souls in all my runs today, bleh.  Gonna try 5-2 tomorrow and see if it's any easier.  I loved being a power mage in the 1st half, destroying everything in my way while just avoiding ever being hit.   It looks like that's going to bite me in the ass for the last set of stages now >___<  May need some grinding and stat changing.

Oh and I went back to 1-1 and went to the dragon hill and fired soul lights at the fire breathing dragon.  It was doing damage and I got him down to about 20% of his HP and then...he flew away and never came back.  wtf  :maf
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 19, 2009, 11:23:22 AM
Gotta kill the dragons on 1-2 and 1-4, or they'll just fly off.

For the cave in 4-2, I think there's a path to your immediate left as soon as you enter that none of the white guys path by. Not entirely sure though, as my shield can block their explosions for no damage. I'm pretty sure you can pass by their tail without setting them off, and if you sprint all the way through you should be able to outrun their explosions. There's also a ring in a cave in that area, where the slugs are. 4-3 is my favorite stage in the game, so press onward!

5-2 is the most frustrating stage IMO. Bring lots of poison cleansing lotuses...

And yeah, for the 1-4 boss, DO NOT get hit by one of his attacks, or you will regret it. I always save him for last.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It drains a soul level  :maf
[close]



I wanna plaaaay  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Purple Filth on October 19, 2009, 01:08:44 PM
Gotta kill the dragons on 1-2 and 1-4, or they'll just fly off.

For the cave in 4-2, I think there's a path to your immediate left as soon as you enter that none of the white guys path by. Not entirely sure though, as my shield can block their explosions for no damage. I'm pretty sure you can pass by their tail without setting them off, and if you sprint all the way through you should be able to outrun their explosions. There's also a ring in a cave in that area, where the slugs are. 4-3 is my favorite stage in the game, so press onward!

5-2 is the most frustrating stage IMO. Bring lots of poison cleansing lotuses...

And yeah, for the 1-4 boss, DO NOT get hit by one of his attacks, or you will regret it. I always save him for last.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It drains a soul level  :maf
[close]



I wanna plaaaay  :'( :'( :'(


so your ps3 isn't back yet,

when did you send it?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 19, 2009, 01:36:47 PM
so your ps3 isn't back yet,

when did you send it?


I'm ordering its coffin today. Or do I have to send it in myself? I imagine it will take at least a couple weeks from when I order it to when I get it back.

Either way I'm kind of a procrastinator...
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2009, 05:28:22 PM
I'm kind of going to be glad when this is over.  This is the first game that has given me the WOW disease that I hear so many have.  Where it ruins your life because you become addicted.  Luckily unlike WOW which is 100s of hours and never ends, this caps out first run at about 30-40 (at 20 hours now myself).  It's not even that I love the game (I really like it), it's just that I am hopelessly addicted and when I sleep I dream about running around killing red knights for souls and during the day I'm thinking of how to build my character and ways to approach the current area. 

Actually I don't think the addiction is bad if you finish every stage you start when you turn off the system.  It's only when you do a stage for a few hours but DON'T finish it that you're left thinking about it all day until you give it another go.

I'm just hoping after I beat my first run I'll be satisfied and not get addicted into the idea of a 2nd run.  I want to do a 2nd run, but would rather wait until next year or something when I have free time.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2009, 10:04:50 PM
To continue from the NPD thread that is now closed for some reason:

Quote from: Jinfash
Other than being developed in Japan and having stats, what does it have in common with your regular JRPG? It can be easily mistaken for a WRPG.

So? I do not understand this logic. Shin Megami Tensei games were originally first person, featuring first person dungeons and Wizardry like gameplay. They're still jrpgs.

There are many dungeon crawler-oriented jrpgs. Because they take western influences does not mean they're not jrpgs.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 20, 2009, 12:07:35 AM
demon souls feels nothing like a wrpg imo.  Maybe the character making, but the combat is leaaaaaagues above any realtime wrpg I've played.  And the atmosphere and polish is just woooow
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Rman on October 20, 2009, 12:09:05 AM
I gotta get this game.  I have a hard time finding minutes to play anything of late, though.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: patrickula on October 20, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Beat that Tower Knight like a bitch  :punch
I found that a flaming sword when he's knocked down tears him up good.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 20, 2009, 12:36:35 AM
tower knight is easy as fuck if you use a bow. he never even touched me.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 20, 2009, 12:50:30 AM
the game is easy as fuck if you use a bow. he never even touched me.

fixed.  Which is why as of last night I'm now using a bow and kicking ass in the latter half.  It feels so cheap shooting things from far far away, lol.  I thought magic was cheap with its range but jeez, bows are like 10000x better though less powerful.  I never equipped a bow because knowing From Software I thought it would control like shit, like NG or Zelda or something.  But after using it, damn.  It's like suddenly the game is an fps  :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 20, 2009, 12:59:09 AM
a bow sure does help. especially when you use the lure technique
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: patrickula on October 20, 2009, 12:59:40 AM
It didn't seem like the game would be fun if I just used a bow (or magic) all the time  :-\  I beat the Tower Knight down old school.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 20, 2009, 01:15:01 AM
It didn't seem like the game would be fun if I just used a bow (or magic) all the time  :-\  I beat the Tower Knight down old school.

That's why you can carry a lot of stuff with 2 weapons on each hand :)  It's all about variety!

I have bow/catylst & sword/magicimprover.  Sometimes I switch on a shield or talisman for blocking or evacuate.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 20, 2009, 01:17:18 AM
Bow + thief ring is overpowered as fuck. You can shoot some guy from 100 feet away, watch as he wanders around aimlessly for a few seconds and when he resets you can hit him again. Repeat forever.

What they should have done is make enemies regenerate health once they leave combat, like WoW. That right there would cut out 95% of the ways you can cheese enemies in this game.

Hell, for every black phantom in pure black World Tendency, you can pull them, hit them with death cloud + poison cloud and run away. They'll reset to their position and slowly die from the DoT's.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 20, 2009, 04:14:06 AM
Beat 4-2.  Wasn't too bad after my new setup with a crescent broadsword+2 for when I'm not using magic and a bow for long distance and total protection on all the time.  Buuuuut, I don't like these stages with NO SHORTCUTS.  I died on the boss with 70k souls and was VERY WORRIED about getting back there and retrieving them without a slip up.  But luckily I did.  Got the revive spell, should help?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 21, 2009, 03:49:49 AM
Beat it.  Really awesome experience and definitely my GoTY so far.  I love how you can approach things from all different ways depending on your class/playstyle.

I played a little of newgame+ but I dunno if I'm going to keep playing.  I mainly want to see the Pure Black, Pure White special events and I'm starting to think it'd be quicker to just start a whole new file and do it in a world of easy enemies instead of in newgame+ where enemies are kinda annoying again.  Plus I'm not happy with my character stats.  I think I wasted about 20-30 soul levels on stats that I never used as a mage.  Could've pumped all that in magic power and been much stronger.  Plus I should have gone for the Insane Catalyst instead of Moving Soul Arrow and Firestorm instead of Fireball.  I dunno.  Gonna take a break from the game for now and play all the other fall stuff.  Might get back to it in a few months.

Also I'm just now getting to experience the crazy online side of the game.  During my first run I saw messages and ghosts but that was about it.  There was an occasional invader but that was rare.  Once I went to new game+ on the Asia version server I saw blue signs everywhere, did a coop session through 1-1, and was invaded on the 2nd stage I tried.  Also the WTs are all over the place.  1-1 didn't even have the dragons.  Definitely more interesting when all this is going on.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 21, 2009, 04:05:02 AM
Yeah, that's why I'm not too upset about losing my save. My stats were kinda fucked up; I put too many points into strength (I prefer dex based weapons), magic and intelligence, which I rarely used. Once I get my PS3 back I'll be going the mage route, then I'll probably make another melee character for PvP. I thought there was no way in hell I'd find another game I like as much as SF4 for this entire generation, but DS is my GotY as well. I love it  :D

I'm not sure exactly how good the Insanity Catalyst is, but there's a black phantom in pure black WT that drops a weapon that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
doubles as a catalyst and talisman. Very useful.
[close]

Which was your favorite stage? Mine is 4-3; It hits all the right notes with me. Actually, I love all of world 4 from start to finish.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 21, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
I don't use talisman much except to evacuate or use antidote.  Would rather have my magic power buffed up with insanity :P

Favorite stage was probably world 1.  Loved the castle seige atmosphere and the giant dragons flying around.  World 4 was neat too with the rays flying around and the cliffs.  I greatly preferred the outdoor daytime worlds to the claustrophobic indoor worlds.  I thought 4-2 was the toughest stage with 5-2 being the most annoying.

One small complaint I have is that despite all the cool looking bosses and some of the cool boss fights, as a mage about 5 or 6 of the 16 bosses were a total joke.  You could just fire off spells from range and they'd either do nothing or shoot something low-damage and slow at you that you strafe around.  1-1,4-1,4-3,5-1,5-2,5-3,etc...  5-3 was neat but in my game the guy just stood still blocking the path and all I had to do was shoot him to death, lol.  Not really a challenging fight!  Cool atmosphere though.

Would have liked more hardcore fights like Penatrator, Flamelurker, False King. etc...

False King was a pain with my character.  Just barely won after a bunch of tries.  Having to run through the whole mini-stage every time just makes the tension worse when fighting him.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 21, 2009, 11:00:53 PM
i've only got 5-2/3 and 1-4 left :hyper
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 21, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
5-3 is so awesome. Was definitely not what I was expecting.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 21, 2009, 11:41:12 PM
5-3 reminds me of Berserk
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 22, 2009, 12:56:21 AM
5-2 down. i'll save the last two for another day.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 22, 2009, 01:24:46 AM
I keep getting sidetracked and/or playing uncharted 2. going pretty slow, but still absolutely loving the game. just beat false idol and flamelurker yesterday, but died on the stupid dragon god. I also kind of want the fire resist ring from 2-2 (and patches!) that I bypassed because I just fell down the hole carefully.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 22, 2009, 01:38:18 AM
5-2 down. i'll save the last two for another day.

5-3 will only take you 10 mins.  1-4, yeah, could be short, could be an hour+
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 22, 2009, 07:26:58 AM
So yeah, I wasn't really enjoying new game+ that much.  Enemies started getting too grindy.  So I started a brand new character and played for 5 hours straight.

By the time I finished tonight's run I had every world in Pure WT and did the World 1/4 Pure White events.  The levels on the Asia server start you at 1 away from pure white.  So if you just suicide in the nexus and then beat the first boss of each world, the worlds will become pure white and you can do their pure white events.  So I plan on doing the World 2/3/5 pure white events and then making all the worlds pure black and doing those events which should bring the stages back up to pure white again for the final bosses yay.

In 5 hours, I'm 50% through the game; estimating about 10-12 hour finish for this one.  My character is soul level 45 and I have all my best equipment that I have on my level 91 new game+ character.  I'm also only 22 good stats behind.  So at level 67 my current character should be 1:1 equal in power with my level 91 new game+ character.  On top of that I'm going to get the Insane catalyst this time which will buff up my magic atk power even further.  So by the time I reach new game+ and am around 90 with this char, it should be much less grindy.

Although since I'll have done all the pure WT/BT events and gotten all the loot already, I'm not really sure if there will be an incentive to actually play the new game plus.  Unless I want to just rush through the stages and get the boss souls to complete out my all magic trophy and then all miracle after another run.  The weapon making trophies just take too many runs to collect enough stones :\

Oh and a lot the tendency events are so not worth it.  You do all that to get world 4 white and then all you get is a sword and satsuki and satsuki fight doesn't even give you ANYTHING, lol. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on October 23, 2009, 12:21:40 PM
beat it last night.

it took forever to kill that blue fucking dragon (which killed biorr in the process and got me the brushwood set!) and then right after that they throw BP ostrava at you! luckily his AI wigged out and he kept walking away from me while i was right in front of him. as for the king he jacked me up with his soul removal move which made me equip overburdened when he landed it. got pretty hairy for moment having to unequip something in the middle of the fight :lol

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 23, 2009, 03:52:15 PM
The first time I fought Black Phantom Ostrava, I circled him right after he missed his first attack and hit him with the critical back stab, which kicked knocked him off the bridge.

Most anticlimactic fight ever. :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 23, 2009, 05:45:15 PM
I just shot him with moving soul arrow when he ran at me.  I think it killed him in 1-2 hits before he reached me, lol.

I killed the Blue Dragon last night in my 2nd character I made.  I used soul ray and it did about 100 damage per hit.  Unfortunately I realized I didn't bring any spices so I equipped the regen ring and my regen crescent when I ran out of magic and left and did other stuff.  Came back 30 mins later with a full MP bar and finished him.  I realized that has to be the best place to be an ass in PvP.  You see a ghost guy just standing there firing arrows or magic and you invade his game and kill him.  Then he has to do it all over again.  I'm glad no one did that to me while I was recharging my MP!

I've kind of plateaued with the game now.  I've fought and killed all the bosses including the NPCs in the Pure White worlds.  I've tried most of the magic spells.  I've gotten almost all the loot you can get in the world.  I just....don't see any point in playing any further.  Sure I could do several new game+ runs to get all the spells and make/get all the unique weapons & rings.  But besides getting a few spells/weapons/rings each 10-15 hour playthrough....the rest is going to be the exact same.  Same loot, same items around the stage, same boss patterns; I dunno, I think I'm done.  Love the game, but 1.5 playthroughs over 40 hours was enough for me.  Time to move on to something else.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 23, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
Messing with people in stages that have environmental hazards can be awesome, but it's pretty dangerous. If you mess up and get hit by the dragon's fire breath and die, you'll lose a soul level. Or if you're on 3-2 and fall off the side of a bridge/tower you'll lose a soul level. Too risky to try and fuck someone over IMO  :P 4-2 seemed pretty popular for PvP. Last time I was there in body form I fought like 4 black phantoms within 10 minutes.

Once I get the platinum trophy I'm probably just gonna PvP for a while and do some co-op occasionally (which I haven't even tried yet) until I get bored. I really want to be the boss of 3-3 too. By the time I found out about it I was too high level and could never find a world to invade.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 26, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
do either the second castle level or the first mines level. If you're feeling saucy, you can go get the crescent scimitar (awesome weapon, and restores MP) in the storm lord level, but make sure to bring some arrows...and expect some deaths. I'd avoid the tower of latria for a bit.

anywhere is doable though.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on October 26, 2009, 11:28:15 AM
can you buy spells that early on? can't remember when the mage appears in the nexus. fire kills the skeletons better than the starting spell. also, it helps A LOT to find a blunt weapon to use against them. if you did the mines i think you have a pickaxe already? never knew that was blunt.  :-\

http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/blunt

as far as a bow, there is one somewhere in 1-2 according to the wiki, which is probably where I found it lol.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 26, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
If you are a magic user ALWAYS do 1-2 after 1-1 because Total Protection will make the game much easier for you.  3-1 is good as well because Soul Ray is a better Soul Arrow, though it costs 3x as much MP per use.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 26, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
oh yeah and the spell isn't total protection, it's "warding" in the US version.  But it's an awesome spell!  Costs a lot of mp though so make your max MP longer or buy a ton of fresh spices from the lady in 3-1.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 26, 2009, 05:43:42 PM
Not protection.  It's the one you learn from Sage Freak after beating 1-2.

Oh wait, you don't get Sage Freak until 3-1.  Hmmmmm.  Do 1-2 then 3-1 in that case.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on October 26, 2009, 05:49:19 PM
I believe Warding is a spell you have to trade a demon's soul for. There are a few magic/faith teachers to rescue throughout the world, and they will teach you new spells if you trade a boss demon's soul.

Here's where they're located:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Freke (magic) - 3-1, Yuria (magic) 1-4, Urbain (faith) 4-2
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You can also give the demon's soul from 2-2 to the blacksmith on 2-1 to unlock demon soul based weapon upgrades.


beaten! still valuable information if you're not already aware, though.  :)
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on October 27, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
 :) Glad you're enjoying it!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 30, 2009, 11:55:05 PM
Finally popped this in again tonight and beat 1-1  8)   I didn't get the treasure beyond the swinging dragon tail, but I did get the purple flame shield.  I took out the red and blue eyed demons easily after I figured out you could guard crush them with 2 fireballs and hit them with the third one. 

Crazy how the stats work...I started out by boosting a little of everything and now it's 1000+ for another point.  Can you screw yourself by trying to be well-rounded in this game?  I usually like everything at a decent level with a little more for strength and a little more for spell power in rpgs. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
DON'T BE WELL ROUNDED.

be either:
-MAGE MAG/WILL
-FIGHTER ATK/DEF
-ARCHER (ranged)  DEX

It's worth noting that if you are a mage you also get to be a fighter because you can make a crescent maxed sword that will go off your MAG stat instead of ATK stat for damage. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 01, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
only put into those stats?   or something like those stats + vitality every once in a while?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2009, 01:33:41 PM
only put into those stats?   or something like those stats + vitality every once in a while?

The latter is better for first play.  Gives you more HP and better equip loads.  Also for Mage you should put some into DEF as well probably.  But don't well round it by spending stats on stuff like ATK if you are a mage, or DEX if you aren't a ranged bow user.  Waste of stats.

On 2nd play if you make a new character and you are trying to get the most out of your stats you only put into 1-2 categories.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on December 16, 2009, 12:24:47 PM
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1321-Demons-Souls

 :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on December 16, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
That guy is still around? I thought his 15 minutes were up.

Pretty amusing, but he basically just reviewed the first one and a half levels. I like how he mentioned the dogs in 1-2 though; I got destroyed by them probably 3 or 4 times before I went back to running across the bridge :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2009, 04:42:50 PM
Yahtzee gets his 15 minutes forever because he made the Chzo Mythos, which is the best adventure game series in the past decade.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: demi on December 16, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
Yahtzee gets his 15 minutes forever because he made the Chzo Mythos, which is the best adventure game series in the past decade.

Think you got Scratches mixed up. Yahtzee didnt make that?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Jansen on December 16, 2009, 05:48:39 PM
i really like his review because it so accurately describes the demon's souls experience. hoenstly i can't blame anyone that throws their hands up and gives up on the game.

you either enjoy the unforgiving difficulty or you don't.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on December 16, 2009, 07:13:45 PM
I really need to get back on this one. I got to the dragon god or w/e and haven't really had time for it since.  :'(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 10, 2010, 09:34:35 PM
I've died like three times already in the first area available after Nexus (right after tutorial) as a Thief. What's a good noob class? I see Bebpo saying Archer is good, and that was my second choice for class
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2010, 09:45:52 PM
I've died like three times already in the first area available after Nexus (right after tutorial) as a Thief. What's a good noob class? I see Bebpo saying Archer is good, and that was my second choice for class

wat no. ROYAL

What are you people doing playing videogames without consulting a message board first!  ;)
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 10, 2010, 10:21:14 PM
Demon's Souls 2 rumors floating around the Moon Language Interwebs...
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on February 10, 2010, 10:43:25 PM
:hyper

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I really need to get back to this fucking game! It will be rough going at first, I would imagine...
[close]
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on February 11, 2010, 12:42:50 AM
I hope they make that broken archstone a DLC area before a sequel comes. I left a message in front of it that said "Someday..." that got a bunch of recommendations :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on February 11, 2010, 06:24:08 AM
A sequel? So soon?
I just hope they won't change the difficulty. Maybe they'll implement a difficulty option this time around for the loser gamers.
That wouldn't make sense, though, considering it's an online game.

I'd love a sequel. But I still want enter that broken archstone in the Nexus.  :'(
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on February 11, 2010, 08:03:49 AM
knowing FROM, that is the sequel.  :lol
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 11, 2010, 10:04:47 PM
Wow, the Royal is much easier. His soul arrow instakills most enemies and he takes more damage.

I made it to the dragons at boletaria, but I don't know what I am supposed to do. The dragon peppers the one bridge with fire, and he attacks when I get too close taking him on directly. My ranged attack doesn't do anything to it.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on February 11, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
just run away.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2010, 10:13:49 PM
It's actually easier than you think

...run   =P


You'll outrun the dragon fire on the bridge.  If he's already hanging out on the bridge run back to where he was resting and he'll return.  You can also use this method to grab some of those items on the hill while the dragon is away firing the bridge if you get the timing right.  Beware though because the sleeping dragon can 1 hit KO you on the hill with his tail.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 11, 2010, 10:17:55 PM
I haven't died yet, but I really have no idea of what my objective is. I assumed that it is to defeat the dragon  ???

Because I didn't know where to go or what to do (I did manage to steal an artifact that lets me teleport to Nexus), so I just when back to Nexus, which leads me to my next question: How do I "level" up? I accumulated 2000 souls, so I bought a heater shield, which I can't even use. I am guessing that I can use these souls to increase stats, but how do I do it?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 11, 2010, 10:38:56 PM
your souls are your money and your xp.  After you beat the stage, back at the nexus you talk to blind girl to level up.

Your goal is to get to the end of the level and beat the boss :P  Just keep moving on
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on February 11, 2010, 10:53:39 PM
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/intro

not sure if you've read the thread or not Kes.  :-*
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2010, 12:59:26 AM
I popped in Demon's Souls while taking a break from work. I've had it for months but hadn't played any of it yet. Of the 2 hours of it I played tonight, it all went by real fast. 

It's like a Mega Man version of an action rpg, almost. You take things nice and slow at first, but you keep dying, learning the level layout, and in turn makes going through the level that much faster. Spear guys I had slight trouble with before now go down in just a few concentrated hits. Knights that I troubled with before weep when they see me! A section of the level that took 15 minutes before to clear now takes only 5. It's pretty rewarding and the soul system is addicting. I also enjoy how the game is defense-based, unlike almost every action rpg ever.

I got to a point where I amassed almost 3000 souls, I encountered this knight with a spear. He one shot me (faldfkjas;fja;dfs;dfa :maf :maf :maf) and I ended up trying to get to my corpse to get my stuff. But he killed me AGAIN before I could get to it, so I LOST 3000 souls. ;dsja;f Aside from that guy though, I haven't really had much trouble with the difficulty. It's pretty straight forward, it just laughs at you when you make mistakes (like that one above!)

One thing, though. I'm utterly confused about the game's structure. The level I'm in doesn't seem to stop ever, and there are no save points within them. Do you have to beat the levels in one go or something? Because once I lost my 3000 souls I started getting paranoid. I had no way to get into the Nexus without using that one item that takes you there (at the expense of losing souls). Thinking about it, it feels like a rogue like in that you have to delve deeper and deeper and survive each encounter, and you get sent to a central hub when you die rather than getting a game over.

But this dungeon won't end and the game won't let me have a break. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or an awesome thing. Probably a bit of both?

How the hell am I supposed to play the game? Get a bunch of souls, warp out to the Nexus, save, and go back to the grind?

Despite that little confusion, the game owns.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 12, 2010, 01:06:47 AM
The levels have an end  :lol Just keep on exploring and you'll find it eventually.  The first area (1-1) is one of the longest.  You only have to beat the first level in 1 go.  After that you can leave from your spawn point if you want.  You also get a WARP OUT spell which is pretty damn essential.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2010, 01:14:41 AM
I want to tear that spear knight who killed me in one hit apart.

That mother FUCKER.

I also love how the levels are full of secrets, different paths and stuff. I found a ring that gives me an extra 25% of my life when in soul form!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 12, 2010, 06:35:45 AM
I found a ring that gives me an extra 25% of my life when in soul form!
I found that too. Someone left a note behind that said "something valuable lies ahead"

Thanks for the help guys. I wasn't expecting the game to lack direction this much.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on February 12, 2010, 08:22:36 AM
Yeah each level ends with a boss. It's practically an action game with stats. Keep an eye out as you advance through the levels though; there are usually shortcuts you can unlock. You'll be able to pull a switch somewhere that will open up a locked door or start an elevator or something, which are essentially the checkpoints. If you die the switches you pulled stay activated and you'll be able to use the shortcut to get back to where you were pretty quickly.

And yeah, play while online. The messages on the floor, blood stains, ghosts, phantoms (for co-op or PvP) add SO MUCH to the game and there's really nothing else like it.

Are you talking about the red-eyed knight on 1-1 Himuro? You're not really meant to fight him just yet.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 12, 2010, 06:50:43 PM
Sweet, I beat Phalanx. I noticed there was a message about a white soul event this weekend, so I checked the wiki page and apparently that means no dragons :rock. So I was able to progress and then I grabbed all of the loot by where the dragons typically are.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 13, 2010, 09:07:08 AM
I finally got to stat up and I put all of my points into magic and vitality. There was no noticable difference whatsoever to my soul arrow attack. What's the deal?

Also, how do I view what the stat requirements are for certain equipment?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Purple Filth on February 13, 2010, 12:30:43 PM
Sweet, I beat Phalanx. I noticed there was a message about a white soul event this weekend, so I checked the wiki page and apparently that means no dragons :rock. So I was able to progress and then I grabbed all of the loot by where the dragons typically are.

actually it will be both white and black at specific times
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2010, 01:43:26 PM
I finally got to stat up and I put all of my points into magic and vitality. There was no noticable difference whatsoever to my soul arrow attack. What's the deal?

Also, how do I view what the stat requirements are for certain equipment?

Probably because you are in body form.  Your magic sucks in body form but you take less damage and have higher HP.  When you die you should notice your soul attack doing more damage.  I turned my royal into a soul firing mage and trust me, your MAG does make a difference in strength :P  But other things do as well like certain wands and rings.

Also if you are going to use a lot of magic, you need to put a bunch of points into the other magic category (don't remember what it's called) that ups your max MP and gives you more magic slots to equip more magic.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on February 13, 2010, 03:15:16 PM
Sweet, I beat Phalanx. I noticed there was a message about a white soul event this weekend, so I checked the wiki page and apparently that means no dragons :rock. So I was able to progress and then I grabbed all of the loot by where the dragons typically are.

What? I still encounter dragons.

Okay, I beat the Phalanx boss. Was pretty easy with that uh...fire weapon item thing. After that, I hit up the knight area, took out those fuckers, fought giant rats and I encountered a walkway which is impossible to cross due to our dragon friend.

So it seems I'm finished with 1-1 unless I'm missing something.

I met the monk kid, unlocked four other worlds, leveled up with the black emo chick, upgraded my weapons/shield.

Fun fun fun fun!

I'm just confused on some things:

1. The inventory system is antiquated. I have no clue if the weapon I'm interested in is an upgrade or downgrade of what I currently got.

2. I learned Magic Memory and this other crap when I leveled up my Faith and Magic stats. I still have no magic and I really want that spell that instantly takes you to the Nexus upon use.

3. What's with the two items you get for when you talk the emo chick? They're two items: a white one and a blue one.

3. Now that I've unlocked four more worlds, is there a suggested one I should start with?

This game almost reminds me of the original Legend of Zelda in terms of discovery and hand holding. There is no hand holding, and the sense of discovery is sooo high. When I played Zelda when I was a kid, other kids traded secrets in order to see where to go next or how to do something. In Demon's Souls, you have notes written on the ground from fellow Demon's Souls players.

This game owns and I want to beat FF12 asap so I can dedicate the bulk of my game playing time to it.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on February 13, 2010, 04:20:21 PM

3. Now that I've unlocked four more worlds, is there a suggested one I should start with?

do either the second castle level or the first mines level. If you're feeling saucy, you can go get the crescent scimitar (awesome weapon, and restores MP) in the storm lord level, but make sure to bring some arrows...and expect some deaths. I'd avoid the tower of latria for a bit.

anywhere is doable though.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 13, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
Sweet, I beat Phalanx. I noticed there was a message about a white soul event this weekend, so I checked the wiki page and apparently that means no dragons :rock. So I was able to progress and then I grabbed all of the loot by where the dragons typically are.

What? I still encounter dragons.

Okay, I beat the Phalanx boss. Was pretty easy with that uh...fire weapon item thing. After that, I hit up the knight area, took out those fuckers, fought giant rats and I encountered a walkway which is impossible to cross due to our dragon friend.

So it seems I'm finished with 1-1 unless I'm missing something.

I met the monk kid, unlocked four other worlds, leveled up with the black emo chick, upgraded my weapons/shield.

Fun fun fun fun!

I'm just confused on some things:

1. The inventory system is antiquated. I have no clue if the weapon I'm interested in is an upgrade or downgrade of what I currently got.

2. I learned Magic Memory and this other crap when I leveled up my Faith and Magic stats. I still have no magic and I really want that spell that instantly takes you to the Nexus upon use.

3. What's with the two items you get for when you talk the emo chick? They're two items: a white one and a blue one.

3. Now that I've unlocked four more worlds, is there a suggested one I should start with?

This game almost reminds me of the original Legend of Zelda in terms of discovery and hand holding. There is no hand holding, and the sense of discovery is sooo high. When I played Zelda when I was a kid, other kids traded secrets in order to see where to go next or how to do something. In Demon's Souls, you have notes written on the ground from fellow Demon's Souls players.

This game owns and I want to beat FF12 asap so I can dedicate the bulk of my game playing time to it.

1.  Uh, I clearly remember equipment showing if it was an upgrade/downgrade in stats.  No idea what you are talking about!
2.  You buy magic and priest magic from dudes in the nexus.  Look around.  You also have to find high end magic and holy teachers in the levels to get access to their spells.
NOTE DO NOT USE BOSS SOULS.  THEY ARE TRADE FOR MAGIC OR WEAPON UPGRADING BLACKSMITH (2-2).  ALSO THERE ARE SEVERAL SPELLS YOU CAN LEARN FOR EACH BOSS SOUL.  BE CAREFUL IN CHOOSING
Evacuate (warp out) is a priest magic spell.  You also need a talisman to use priest magic spells and a wand to use normal magic spells.
3. Any order but 4-1/5-1 are HARD.  4-1 is probably the hardest in terms of combat where you want better stats (it's also the best place to farm souls early on), 5-1 is just a hard stage.  3-1 can be a bitch depending on your character make or it can be easy.  2-1 is generally easy for everyone.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on February 28, 2010, 10:40:40 PM
Whoops. I used two boss souls already!

Realized that my problem with 2-1 wasn't my weapons or levels or anything but the fact I was slashing rather than PIERCING the miners. Slashing takes forever, piercing takes 2-3 hits.

2-1 is easy as shit.

I got through rough (I think) 90% of the stage without dying and I was in alive form. I didn't once until I got to a tower and got butt raped by some fire lizards. I wasn't careful enough those guys. Anyways, now I've gotten rid of that lava path with a flow of water and I have a feeling that the next fog, which I've seen a glimpse of behind a top hat fire mag guy, is where this stage's boss is. Got me over 4k souls from today's journey, enabling me to upgrade my Short Sword to Quality Short Sword and my Dagger to Quality Dagger. Nice.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 28, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
i died in the tutorial
then died on the first level
then died again

so i can either fight the blue knight
or the red one

and die
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on April 28, 2010, 08:27:44 PM
Don't fight the red one yet.  The blue one isn't too bad.  Just keep trying until you get it down.

Seriously play as Royal.  You get a fireball and you can fireball the blue knights to death before they reach you.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 28, 2010, 08:45:03 PM
I've been wanting to try this game for awhile but the things that people complain about are things that really irk me.  I'm just not a big fan of old school memorizing a level until you remember all the details.  Stuff like that drove me nuts in the 2D era. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on April 28, 2010, 08:46:27 PM
it's not that bad.  I beat about half the stages on my first try.  No trial & error.  Just start with royal class, it's almost like cheating because you have a strong ranged weapon with homing and the enemies all have short range physical weapons and have to run up to you first.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 28, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
I'll give it a try eventually.  The setting seems really nice and I've always liked the big castle level structure.  It's almost like a 3D Castlevania except that it doesn't suck. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 29, 2010, 05:39:09 AM
i'm playing as a priest.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 30, 2010, 12:27:30 AM
ok so I advanced some more. i beat the blue knight and the few other blue knights that followed him. i saved the glowing gold knight and I made it all the way to the dragon on the bridge and the two dragons on the hill.
got enough souls to buy a sick long sword and a metal helmet and went back to the nexus

should i just be grinding this level until i can get enough stuff to beat the red knight? i know i need a bow and arrow to beat the dragons so I can also work for a crossbow.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on April 30, 2010, 12:32:32 AM
You don't need to kill the red knight until much, much later for an optional boss that lies ahead of him. You need to be very high level to beat him so don't worry about it for now. Just progress to 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, etc.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 01, 2010, 02:04:53 PM
I BEAT THE PHALANX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2010, 03:40:35 PM
Just bought this, building up mental energy to marathon the fuck out.

:punch From Software :punch
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 01, 2010, 07:43:21 PM
i started playing with 6k souls. 40 minutes later i'm back at the nexus with 0 souls and no more progress than i did when i started.
i might have well not played at all

  :gloomy
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2010, 07:59:34 PM
you died trying to get your souls back?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 01, 2010, 08:10:03 PM
i took a look at the next archstone and didn't get very far. so i want and played the second level at boletaria where i have to run by the fucking dragon. i got all the way to the end and got killed by the second knight. went back to collect my souls and got killed by the first one. dude has a sliver of life and got a hit in. lost all my souls. so i quit out. all that time for nothing.

i probably should have played as knight or something. dunno why i picked priest.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2010, 09:29:27 PM
royal

Royal can SHOOT PEOPLE WITH MAGIC HOMING BULLETS
&
Royal can use 1 handed swords that base their attack on his/her MAGIC STAT meaning you can be a swashbuckling knight just as strong as a normal knight
&
Royal can use MAGIC LOTS O' LOTS O' MAGIC


Royal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other class.  Save other classes for your 2nd play.  You still have a lot of room as a Royal to play anyway you want.  Range, Sword, Magic.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2010, 09:32:38 PM
I started my first play through as a Thief. Read that its not too good of a Class to start off with.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2010, 09:48:49 PM
Well I'll just leave it at: play any class you'd like.  But if you find the game too hard and get frustrated, instead of dropping the game and not experiencing the rest of the game, I urge you to simply restart as a Royal and have a better experience the next time around.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Akala on May 01, 2010, 11:49:42 PM
Bebpo speaks the truth. Even if you just play a few worlds as a royal, it will let you get your bearings about how the game flows much less painfully.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 02, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
oh my god what the hell. the boss at the end of phalanx archstone
how would one even attempt to beat that?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Third on May 02, 2010, 12:07:17 PM
The big guy?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
beat him with long rage attacks. take the stairs up and shoot from one of the sides. kill the soldiers first. the fight is pretty easy that way
[close]

I could never beat him with melee attacks. And I've finished the game four times...
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 02, 2010, 12:14:42 PM
I started my first play through as a Thief. Read that its not too good of a Class to start off with.

Didn't you play this already?  I remember you telling me about it. 


i took a look at the next archstone and didn't get very far. so i want and played the second level at boletaria where i have to run by the fucking dragon. i got all the way to the end and got killed by the second knight. went back to collect my souls and got killed by the first one. dude has a sliver of life and got a hit in. lost all my souls. so i quit out. all that time for nothing.

i probably should have played as knight or something. dunno why i picked priest.
 

That's exactly why I'm hesitant to pick this game up.  I just don't have the time to spent 2 hrs on a game and have zero to little progress.  But maybe Bebpo is right and Royal makes the game much easier?
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 02, 2010, 12:18:38 PM
I started my first play through as a Thief. Read that its not too good of a Class to start off with.

Didn't you play this already?  I remember you telling me about it. 

Nope, I was probably relaying second hand accounts and all that. I finally got some money from my new job so I was able to buy it. But now that I actually own it, I can say without a doubt that this game is awesome.

Also, the Dragon at the bridge (near the start of the game). The sound it makes when its about to unleash its fiery breath, Jesus Christ.

That's exactly why I'm hesitant to pick this game up.  I just don't have the time to spent 2 hrs on a game and have zero to little progress.  But maybe Bebpo is right and Royal makes the game much easier?

From what I've experienced so far, it does suck when you lose Souls but you still retain items from each run. So if you got some interesting Weapon that'll definitely help out and then you die, you retain that weapon. Same thing with health items. Now if you're grinding for Souls and take unnecessary risks, you risk the chance of not only losing all those souls but all the time you spent harvesting them. Fortunately the game gives a chance to win them back by touching your pool of blood.

On another note. I fucking love how I bought some Plate Armor, thinking "Yeah, now I won't die as fast!" and realize that it really impedes your movement. So I re-equipped my Thief gear since the stick and move way of fighting feels the most comfortable for me. So basically I'm slowing finding out that there really is no free lunch in this game, everything is a compromise.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 02, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
playing this game is just a weird experience. i've put about 4 hours in so far but when i actually look at how much progress i've made it looks like no more than a half hour.


On another note. I fucking love how I bought some Plate Armor, thinking "Yeah, now I won't die as fast!" and realize that it really impedes your movement. So I re-equipped my Thief gear since the stick and move way of fighting feels the most comfortable for me. So basically I'm slowing finding out that there really is no free lunch in this game, everything is a compromise.

huh. i bought the first tier armor for my head, chest, and legs but it doesnt feel any different to me. then again it might just be that priest isn't as nimble.

but getting that long sword has really made the game easier. much quicker and deadlier than the shitty mace.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on May 02, 2010, 01:08:39 PM
The main thing to look for when you're equipping gear is your equip burden. If it is over half of your maximum, then you won't be able to roll effectively. You'll just kinda slam onto the floor and slowly get back up. If it's less than 50%, you can roll around like you're playing Ninja Gaiden. So if you have an equip burden of 100.0, aim for 50.0 or lower.

It does suck to die twice and lose your souls, but you are still making progress. Aside from retaining any items you found in the stage, you're also gaining knowledge of enemy placement, patterns, traps, the layout of the stage, shortcuts, etc. which is the most important thing.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 02, 2010, 01:12:31 PM
playing this game is just a weird experience. i've put about 4 hours in so far but when i actually look at how much progress i've made it looks like no more than a half hour.


On another note. I fucking love how I bought some Plate Armor, thinking "Yeah, now I won't die as fast!" and realize that it really impedes your movement. So I re-equipped my Thief gear since the stick and move way of fighting feels the most comfortable for me. So basically I'm slowing finding out that there really is no free lunch in this game, everything is a compromise.

huh. i bought the first tier armor for my head, chest, and legs but it doesnt feel any different to me. then again it might just be that priest isn't as nimble.

but getting that long sword has really made the game easier. much quicker and deadlier than the shitty mace.


I'm playing as a Thief and putting on the Plate armor caused the roll animation to feel sluggish. I need to get a Long Sword, I've been killing shit with the Mail Breaker (Rapier) and Scimitar.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2010, 01:29:04 PM
I play as thief too.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 03, 2010, 09:18:10 AM
Got my first catalyst to cast spells with (just a simple wooden wand). Was able to take out the red eye'd motherfucker in that first level, just stand back and nuke with Soul Arrow. God I'm loving this game. Some of the switches that allow you to cut across levels are ingenious as far as level design goes.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 04, 2010, 01:49:44 PM
Wrote this up on another small forum where some of the peoples were on the fence about the game. Most of you have already played the game, obviously, for those who haven't I hope this can help answer some questions or give some insight.

A couple of points from more of my gaming time with it...

- Level designs are really, really good. There's no jumping and all that but the layouts are awesome. Some people have likened it to Castlevania. Its almost like that but not as much interaction with the environments and hidden nooks (though there are are hidden nooks with good equipment). The layouts are certainly high up there, quality wise.

Plus each level has some sort of switch that allows you to get back to a part thats farther in. The way they implement these "shortcuts" are pretty ingenious. In some cases they're just locked doors but in the mining level its actually a lift thats right next to the levels entrance.

-Ambiance. This game is chock full of that good shit. I tried out Level 3? yesterday, which is the Prison Tower. Oh man. Absolutely creepy. You've got these Cthulhu like creatures that specialize in magic. They have these eerie bells that you can hear from far off. This resonating "Ting" can be heard when they're around.

-The way encumbrance is handled is great from a tactical standpoint and how the gamer has to deal with this. You've got Item Encumbrance and Equipped Encumbrance. Item Encumbrance is obvious, you can't carry beyond the limit. Now the weight limit on what can be Equipped really makes you think about if you want to equip that ornate set of Armor with cool magical properties or stay in assassin cloth and be able to be as agile as possible.

-They really thought about animation. This is in regards to weapons and shields. Different weapons react differently, mainly in their speed of movement and angles. You can easily jab and slash with a dagger or rapier and that Bastard Sword takes a little longer to build up and swing. With shields, the smaller ones can be brought up and dropped quickly but the bigger ones have to be heaved into place. All of this equals a rewarding feeling when you've learned the timing with a particular weapon.

-Each weapon has its strength and weaknesses. Rapiers are good for piercing things, like metal, but they obviously don't slash so enemies with exposed skin are better dealt with by edged weapons (daggers, long swords, scimitars). Then you've got enemies with shield that can be a huge nuisance if you don't have a larger weapon (Long Sword, Claymore, Axe), these weapons are fantastic for breaking guard. Then you've got Spears that are awesome in that you can hold a shield and keep your distance but they are abysmal for guard breaking.

-Spells are also used in this game. I was confused at first, wondering why I couldn't cast a spell I just bought but I came to find I needed a catalyst (basically something that the spell can be funneled through, like a wand). I ended up finding my first wand (a wooden one, very basic) and started blasting shit. I just love that Spells have another layer of determined power in the form of catalysts. Just another piece of equipment to find, which I love.

-There are dragons in this game and I don't think I've played an RPG that was able to make them so damn fearsome. You don't face them directly (as in in battle, at first) but they are there looming over one of the levels. The sound they make when they're about to breath fire gave me goosebumps. The sound design and enemy design in general are very good.

-Difficulty. This game is hard but not "why do I keep dieing at this spot?" hard more "Shit, I should have slowed down and thought about this first" hard. I've never faulted the game for my own death (well, maybe once where the camera was at an awkward angle and I rolled off the edge of a cliff). With that said, the only penalty that comes with death is losing your souls (which can be thought of as currency) and progress through a level. Thats it.

Slow it down, don't bite off more than you can chew and read all the messages being left by other souls. And unless you're saving for a very expensive item, don't hoard souls, use them. By hoarding souls you're asking to lose them.

But thats about it, Its extremely robust when you think about all these mechanics, equipment types and enemies. Also I dont' think I've written this much about a game in my life which should give you an idea how much I dig it.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 04, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
awesome.  glad you are enjoying it.

It was a really amazing experience.  Nothing else like it.  I can't wait for From Soft to do a sequel after AC5.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 04, 2010, 08:18:05 PM
spending some time in the second archstone. I got to the lever and pulled it. but i can't find what it opened. i got the fat guy who i can't get to due to the collapsed bridge. walked around and killed some more dude and then returned to the nexus. gonna go back and search for whatever the level opened up later.

made sure to upgrade my long sword again too. up to 107 hp
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 04, 2010, 08:32:42 PM
I raised my strength up to 18 so I could carry an Iron Shield (which is essentially a Large Shield), now I can stand toe to toe with the red eye dude in the first level (who gives 2000 souls). The large shield makes it so he can't break my guard with his spear and I can easily deflect the spear attack. He can still break my guard though when he smashes his shield in to mine (so I have to keep my distance). Feels good that I can finally kill it. A good tactic is to stagger him by blocking his spear and then shoot a fireball at him while he's staggered (you have to be quick though). I can kill him with three shots like that.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 04, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
Blue, you swayed me with that persuasive propaganda.  Demon's Souls seems worth messing around with, even if I decided not to play it through.  Let's just hope it's not another B- game that's just been blown up by Sfag hype. 
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 04, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
you're outplaying me, BS. i'm just barely progressing and mostly fumbling around.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 04, 2010, 09:17:36 PM
Definitely used to this game due to Risen, so it coming a little easier to me.

Blue, you swayed me with that persuasive propaganda.  Demon's Souls seems worth messing around with, even if I decided not to play it through.  Let's just hope it's not another B- game that's just been blown up by Sfag hype. 

Its going for like $30? On Amazon, so its almost at bargain prices. For the game your getting, I think its very worth it. I'm a huge King's Field cigarillo so I may be hyping it up the game a bit more due to my love for it and From Software.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: demi on May 05, 2010, 01:44:10 AM
Let's just hope it's not another B- game that's just been blown up by Sfag hype. 

It is. It's a From Software game. It's not AAA. You really have to appreciate the company and what they've made.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Raban on May 05, 2010, 03:14:28 AM
This is literally the only PS3 game I want. Maybe The Last Guardian as well.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: iconoclast on May 05, 2010, 08:28:34 AM
Demon's Souls is the only game on the sfag hype train that actually lives up to the hype. As far as quality goes this gen, nothing comes close to SSF4 and Demon's Souls.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 05, 2010, 08:48:44 AM
the next path i'm gonna go down I think:

level up my crossbow (where can i get like a heavy cross bow... or even an regular bow? i have a bunch of arrows)
grind the first and second level a bit for souls.
level up my strength and vitality
then go into the third archstone and use the bows to kill the fuckers with the range attacks. i can't get them in close range.
then hopefully i can find the merchant in the third archstone and get some new gear.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 05, 2010, 08:51:46 AM
the next path i'm gonna go down I think:

level up my crossbow (where can i get like a heavy cross bow... or even an regular bow? i have a bunch of arrows)

There's a Heavy Crossbow in the Prison Tower but its kind of deep in (can't tell you exactly, I just found it). If you haven't gone there yet, the enemies are using very strong magic.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 05, 2010, 09:02:49 AM
yeah i've been there. was able to go about two enemies deep before i backed out. kept having to take a half moon crescent after an encounter and didnt want to burn through them. but i was able to kill them with my crossbow, just didnt have enough bolts.

Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 05, 2010, 06:50:26 PM
had my first rage quit. stupid enemies in the third level attack faster than i can dodge out of the way. i hit one with a bolt and before my character comes out of his animation i'm hit and i'm down half my health.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on May 05, 2010, 07:19:43 PM
Demon's Souls is the only game on the sfag hype train that actually lives up to the hype. As far as quality goes this gen, nothing comes close to SSF4 and Demon's Souls.

Wrong.

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Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 05, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
With some grind runs through the first level, I've amassed 30,000 souls. I'm trying to hit 50,000 so I can get that ring that gives you more souls per kill.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: Himu on May 05, 2010, 09:48:54 PM
going to laugh if you die.
Title: Re: demon's souls thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 05, 2010, 10:12:53 PM
I didn't but let me tell you, I was scared shitless when I was in the Prison Tower. Its like they made those Cthulhu enemies just for fucking over when trying to purchase that Ring.

:punch I.AM.DA.DEMON'S.SOULS.MASTA :punch