THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on October 13, 2009, 04:04:43 PM
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When Jen-Hsun Huang, co-founder and CEO of nVidia announced that he expects to see Tegra capturing 50% of nVidia's revenue within the next couple of years, a lot of people thought that this is a smoke screen to sway the attention from its battles against AMD and Intel.
Incredibly how it may sound, from what we are hearing nVidia is dead on achieving its course. With a very aggressive approach, the company managed to sway not just Microsoft with the Zune HD multimedia player [based on Tegra APX 2600], but also a long-time IBM and ATI customer - Nintendo.
Launched in 2004, the Nintendo DS and its two latter redesigns [DS Lite and DSi] sold in massive 111.49 million units. With almost 40 million handheld consoles sold in United States alone, Nintendo DS owns 68.3% of worldwide market share.
As the time passed by, Nintendo started to work on the successor of its handheld console with a debut planned for late 2010 [Tokyo Game Show?]. According to our confidential sources, Nintendo is going to use Tegra System-on-Chip processor for the successor of DS/DSi handheld console. Unlike the current design, nVidia offered a single-chip proposal to Nintendo, a company famous for keeping the hardware platform absolutely simple.
Given the fact that Nintendo DS hardware is based upon 16-bit and 32-bit ARM cores, it looks like Next-Gen DS could be backwards compatible with the DS application library. According to our sources, all of the apps that came for old DS could run on a single ARM11 core, yet alone the next-gen CorTex-A9-based Tegra, leaving graphics subsystem to do "something smarter".
Currently, we have no information what exact chip is being used [just that nVidia won the contract], but with the debut set for February 2010, the second generation of Tegra chips could make an excellent base [to be launched at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona].
The question of power consumption and performance is quite aninteresting one. With Gen2 Tegra offering quite a graphics punch;GeForce 9 based hardware [CUDA-enabled design] should offer immenseexperience on small screens - we see no reason why you could not have4x Anti-Aliasing and 8x Anisotropic filtering on a dual-screen system.If Nintendo picked the current gen hardware, i.e. Tegra 600 or APX 2600- it will be getting 65nm chips. If they go with 2nd gen parts, theywill get 40nm chips offering higher performance and lower powerconsumption. The moment we learn about the exact hardware going intoNintendo's next-gen console, we'll inform you.
Thus, it is not hard for us to imagine that Tegra could outship GeForce boards just like Intel's Atom CPU shipped in more units than expensive Nehalem processors. Naturally, the profit ratio is significantly different, but something in the range of $4-5 per chip would mean nVidia could earn half a billion USD from a single deal [over the course of life for the Nintendo's next-gen part].
Now, the billion dollar question is: if Nintendo chose nVidia for the handheld console, does that mean nVidia may have an entrance into the lucrative Wii business? Bear in mind that Wii console was sold in 53.97 million units, taking almost half of current console market [48.4%, according to VGchartz.com]. Also, we wonder what is going to be in next-generation PlayStation Portable...
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/13/nvidia-tegra-wins-contract-for-next-gen-nintendo-ds.aspx
Neat, I guess?
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MAKE A NEW GAMEBOY
FUCK DS
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I thought you liked the current handhelds, Himuro?
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non-games don't need graphix
Can you imagine a MicrosoftTM handheld :hyper
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I thought you liked the current handhelds, Himuro?
I love them. But the worst thing about the ds is the touch stuff.
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There's no reason to believe that Nintendo will use a semi-powerful GPU in its next handheld.
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you mean we will be getting zune hd level tech from the ds in the next couple years
well, at least nintendo is slightly LESS behind the curve this time around
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you mean we will be getting zune hd level tech from the ds in the next couple years
well, at least nintendo is slightly LESS behind the curve this time around
Sweet, looks like they want to make Imagine: Babiez look as realistic as possible :teehee
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can't wait to play that port of super mario galaxy using voice command or whatever the fuck new "innovative" control scheme they try to cram up in it
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"TURN LEFT"
"itsa me!"
"TURN LEFT"
"itsa me!"
"TURN LEFT TURN LEFT TURN LEFT"
"itsa me!"
"GODDAMN YOU TURN LEFT"
"itsa -"
*stomps pocket wii*
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Too bad handhelds dont get any good western RPGs cause western devs are too good for handhelds.
Imagine something like Risen on the DS. That would be awful. :lol
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hey guys remember when oblivion was announced for psp? how'd that turn out?
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Wow, very interesting that Nintendo would ditch ATi after working with them for so many years.
So how powerful would their next handheld be with this gpu?
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Well it's not that much to go by, but it puts it above both the iPhone and PSP.
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you mean we will be getting zune hd level tech from the ds in the next couple years
well, at least nintendo is slightly LESS behind the curve this time around
Is the Tegra chipset more powerful than the Wi? I would guess so since it could output to 720p.
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well that sounds nice
too bad it isn't going to happen.
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well that sounds nice
too bad it isn't going to happen.
It's not that unfathomable. By the time Nintendo releases a DS successor the Tegra line would have been updated several times over. Since Nintendo historically tries to make money on hardware, they'll probably get a custom Tegra sku that is lower spec'd and relatively inexpensive.
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The hell? They gonna announce a successor next year? Doesn't make sense, DS is still selling well and they just launched the DSi, people who bought that are gonna be pissed and they'll just kill off their current sales if they announce a successor.
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That's all right, it's not like I need texture filtering or proper z buffering in my handhelds
(hugs psp)
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The hell? They gonna announce a successor next year? Doesn't make sense, DS is still selling well and they just launched the DSi, people who bought that are gonna be pissed and they'll just kill off their current sales if they announce a successor.
People said this about the various GBA incarnations and shit.
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OG DS - 2004
DS Lite - 2006
DSi - 2008
A new DS iteration in 2010 doesn't seem unreasonable. I really wish Nintendo would drop the DSLite to $99, but I know it is still selling incredibly well.
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the zune hd is in the same performance class as the wii, yes
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I don't get the thinking that Nintendo wouldn't use this just because the tech might be surprisingly capable in present-day devices. They didn't go low-tech just out of spite but because they're dirt cheap.
Can someone name a more cost effective thing coming out in 2-4 years then a (possibly) striped down version of the next Tegra?
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All of these rumors about nintendo pursuing hifi chips and whatnot never amount to anything substantial. They'll go with something that won't lose them money and doesn't eat up the battery life. Remember broadway and hollywood? Remember all of the speculation threads about these customised components that were going to produce yadda yadda yadda
Turns out, the broadway/hollywood main interest to Nintendo was that it was a low heat solution that consumed less power. It was used to make sure the system didn't fry while in WiiConnect24 mode. And yet wii rot still occurs. Don't look too much into this.
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Bah,Nintendo is not that stupid...real people don't care about xyz buffers,DS sales show that.
DS2 needs some genius control scheme or design to sell like crazy,not some wannabe HD chip.
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Tegra chips are already pretty cost effective to produce, a 16GB Zune HD is only $219. By the time Nintendo gets around to it the Tegra will already be on the second iteration (which will draw less battery and more than likely be much cheaper to produce), and I could see a "DS HD" with a Tegra chip hitting the $169-179 price point.
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^ yup
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Rumor fight!
Rumor: Sony PSP2 Arriving In 2010, Features PowerVR SGX543 Graphics Chip (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377283)
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Rumor fight!
Rumor: Sony PSP2 Arriving In 2010, Features PowerVR SGX543 Graphics Chip (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377283)
PSP Go :lol
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PSP GONE
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The hell? They gonna announce a successor next year? Doesn't make sense, DS is still selling well and they just launched the DSi, people who bought that are gonna be pissed and they'll just kill off their current sales if they announce a successor.
This is the company that not only created the so called "third pillar" DS in order to combat the PSP, but then preceeded to strangle the life out of the GBA just to help the DS succeed. Logic need not apply.
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The ds was successful and could do everything the gba did. It made perfect logical sense to kill it off. The gameboy brand itself had "kiddy" connotations anyway.
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The ds was successful and could do everything the gba did. It made perfect logical sense to kill it off. The gameboy brand itself had "kiddy" connotations anyway.
Except, the DS wasn't yet successful when Nintendo tried killing off the still very successful GBA.
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The ds was successful and could do everything the gba did. It made perfect logical sense to kill it off. The gameboy brand itself had "kiddy" connotations anyway.
Except, the DS wasn't yet successful when Nintendo tried killing off the still very successful GBA.
LATE
but
If I'm not mistaken the micro came out during the same year, and they were releasing Rhythm tengoku, warioware twisted, drill dozer, and mother 3 during this timeframe as well. They weren't actively trying to kill the gameboy brand. That came later when brain training and nintendogs became runaway hits and they realised the success of these games proved there was a new market to exploit.