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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: EmCeeGrammar on October 16, 2009, 12:41:47 AM

Title: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 16, 2009, 12:41:47 AM
http://www.wiiz.fr/article.php?a=26558

Soooo smooth.

youtube trailer of 30 fps yet awesome shenanigans
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgn9cRBeGU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Beezy on October 16, 2009, 12:46:27 AM
Wow, it actually does. I just might get it for my nephew for Christmas and beat it over the break. :lol

Edit: Music is still meh though and I hate that they couldn't add someone other than Toad as a playable character.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Bocsius on October 16, 2009, 12:54:51 AM
Is that the DS version?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2009, 01:20:43 AM
Music aside, which isn't too good, the game seems like it's going to be awesome.  I read previews and a lot of them shared my problems with NSMB DS and mentioned how this game fixes a lot of those problems are is more like SMB3.  It's also supposed to be really hard.  It is a bit weird that more people aren't jazzed for this.  I mean, I had to bump the damn gaf thread once to mention the previews that compared it to SMB3.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 16, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
looks fuck awesome
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Rman on October 16, 2009, 01:41:18 AM
Nice.  Can't wait.  
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Bildi on October 16, 2009, 01:51:33 AM
It is a bit weird that more people aren't jazzed for this.

Based on Nintendo's recent track record maybe many people are expecting it to just be okay, or to require multiplayer to be any good.

If this is classic SMB and doesn't need multiplayer to be awesome, I am there.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: ManaByte on October 16, 2009, 03:25:24 AM
Is it the same as the DS version? I got 100% on that one and don't want to do it all over again.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: bork on October 16, 2009, 03:40:38 AM
Is it the same as the DS version? I got 100% on that one and don't want to do it all over again.

Why not watch the video above and see for yourself?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on October 16, 2009, 04:18:28 AM
It's so refreshing when you see a game preview video where the player is actually good at it.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 16, 2009, 04:38:16 AM
It's so refreshing when you see a game preview video where the player is actually good at it.

Those are in game movies that you buy with star coins.  If you ever played Donkey Kong Jungle Beat its similar to the TRY THIS! clips that you showed you how to get higher scores.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: bork on October 16, 2009, 04:46:43 AM
It's so refreshing when you see a game preview video where the player is actually good at it.

Those are in game movies that you buy with star coins.  If you ever played Donkey Kong Jungle Beat its similar to the TRY THIS! clips that you showed you how to get higher scores.

It's easy in NSMB Wii.  You just hit pause and then select the "win" option so the game will do it for you.  :drake

 :-\
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on October 16, 2009, 04:49:09 AM
I hope they take advantage of the win option and make really hard levels. With the win option the grandmas can still beat the game while the rest of us still have a challenge. NSMB DS was too easy.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Crushed on October 16, 2009, 09:17:34 AM
It's so refreshing when you see a game preview video where the player is actually good at it.

Those are in game movies that you buy with star coins.  If you ever played Donkey Kong Jungle Beat its similar to the TRY THIS! clips that you showed you how to get higher scores.

It's easy in NSMB Wii.  You just hit pause and then select the "win" option so the game will do it for you.  :drake

 :-\


No, he's actually right about that. There's the normal "Super Guide" where a ghost takes the fast route through a level and you can unpause at any point, and if you collect coins then you use them to unlock videos of special moves, infinite 1UP tricks, hidden areas, etc.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Tristam on October 16, 2009, 09:18:29 AM
That actually looks really fucking good. I kind of wish I brought my Wii to Korea now. Still, it can't be as awesome as Mario Galaxy 2.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 16, 2009, 10:46:13 AM
Nice to see single player videos for once. Fuck co op in a Mario game.

I really wish they hadn't used NSMB as the basis for this though. I'm not a fan of the aesthetic.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 16, 2009, 10:54:16 AM
Looks pretty stale to me.
I don't like the multipayer options.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Akala on October 16, 2009, 11:12:30 AM
I came in here all prepared to hate, but it looks a lot better than NSMB DS. I want amazon to black-friday-sale this, and I bet they will.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on October 16, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
wow, looks pretty awesome.  I could never pull that crazy shit off though :lol


reminds me of asshole mario:
[youtube=560,345]r86NLwCYXfk[/youtube]
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2009, 11:34:24 AM
It is a bit weird that more people aren't jazzed for this.

Based on Nintendo's recent track record maybe many people are expecting it to just be okay, or to require multiplayer to be any good.

If this is classic SMB and doesn't need multiplayer to be awesome, I am there.

from what I've read the multiplayer is just extra and everything can be done solo.  It would have been nice to have online multiplayer since it would be like LBP except with better mechanics and a Mario game.  Nintendo gives the usual BS answer to why they were too lazy to implement it, but whatever, I'm content with playing it a lot alone and occasionally play with friends.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Akala on October 16, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
wow, looks pretty awesome.  I could never pull that crazy shit off though :lol


reminds me of asshole mario:
[youtube=560,345]r86NLwCYXfk[/youtube]


:rofl
awesome. I want to know what the guy is saying in the text boxes though!

that secret block after the parachute goomba was so dick. :lol
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: MCD on October 16, 2009, 12:25:58 PM
asshole mario :rofl

thanks for the laugh kranz.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 16, 2009, 01:46:51 PM
The secret block really is fucked up. You can just see the dude playing it thinking he's got this, and then bam, dead. :lol

Reminds me of I wanna be the guy, when the fruit on the trees kills you and also flies up into the sky if you try to jump over it.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
Wish it was 60fps, otherwise it looks good.  I beat the DS one but it was so forgettable I can't even tell if this is a remake or a new game using the same visual style :X  Either way it's Mario & Platforming so Day 1
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: archie4208 on October 16, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
The game will probably be fun, but it still looks like an upscaled DS game.  Nintendo has been VERY lazy this generation, outside of Mario Galaxy.  :yuck
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 16, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
Music aside, which isn't too good, the game seems like it's going to be awesome.  I read previews and a lot of them shared my problems with NSMB DS and mentioned how this game fixes a lot of those problems are is more like SMB3.  It's also supposed to be really hard.  It is a bit weird that more people aren't jazzed for this.  I mean, I had to bump the damn gaf thread once to mention the previews that compared it to SMB3.

It's not surprising at all. NSMB for the DS is the least popular of the main line Mario games, with its sub par music, graphics and level design. Sure, it's a good game, but not a particularly good Mario game.

This however, looks to be much better than the DS version, so that's good at least.

Wish it was 60fps, otherwise it looks good. 

 ???

It is 60 fps.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2009, 03:31:58 PM
As far as I can tell they only use the Plains theme for regular-ol' levels.  I'm pretty confident they have some new songs for this game.  Besides, people hating on the Mushroom Waltz gtfo.

And yeah, the game is 60fps, that video is just a bit laggy.  There's this video at a site called wiiz that is buttery smooth, but the site is down atm.

Upscaled DS game? smh

edit: here it is:
http://www.destructoid.com/videos/new-super-mario-bros-wii-video-will-make-you-want-it-now-152178.phtml&t=video (http://www.destructoid.com/videos/new-super-mario-bros-wii-video-will-make-you-want-it-now-152178.phtml&t=video)

buttraped edit: fuck, already posted in OP. castrate me
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 16, 2009, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: Miyamoto
In fact I remember at the Roundtable during E3 where someone asked "Is New Super Mario Bros. Wii going to be as easy as New Super Mario Bros. DS. And I think I said that I wouldn't be. What I think we've created this time is pretty difficult.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/103/1035760p1.html

buncha vids too

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/143/14354229/vids_1.html
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 16, 2009, 09:33:45 PM
noice.  gonna borrow my nephew's Wii to play this and Muramasa on winter break.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
Quote
Final score - 96%

- “timeless Mario magic is present”
- “looks and sounds incredible”
- “starts easy, ends hard as nails”
- would have liked more Yoshi

GotY? Seems so.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Bebpo on October 19, 2009, 06:20:39 PM
Quote
Final score - 96%

- “timeless Mario magic is present”
- “looks and sounds incredible”
- “starts easy, ends hard as nails”
- would have liked more Yoshi

GotY? Seems so.

Nah, Demon Souls already secured that ;P

What magazine is that review from?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2009, 06:30:28 PM
It's a main line Mario game. Scores aren't going to deviate much from different media outlets. It's not Mario and Sonic go to the Olympics or whatever.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
But its ONM.  They suck a bag of dicks.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 19, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
But its ONM.  They suck a bag of dicks.

how does one suck a bag of dicks?  :wtf
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 19, 2009, 06:41:05 PM
You suck the corners where the fluid collects.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: demi on October 19, 2009, 06:41:15 PM
“timeless Mario magic is present” :lol
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2009, 06:43:36 PM
I eagerly await GoNintendo's in-depth probing of the many intricacies of what a Mario is.  Maybe mama robotnik will make a thread about it!
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: archie4208 on October 19, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
“timeless Mario magic is present” :lol

Miyamoto's fairy dust works again. 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: tiesto on October 19, 2009, 10:12:58 PM
Seriously can't wait for this one...
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
This looks fucking awesome.

I ignored it and scoffed at it because the first NSMB was lol but this looks fuck awesome.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 19, 2009, 10:22:41 PM
That applause sound effect is annoying but that is a nuisance more than anything.

Looks nice.  Reuses a lot of sound effects from other Mario games what I noticed.

Will buy...when I get a Wii for Galaxy 2.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Trent Dole on October 19, 2009, 11:14:22 PM
This is pretty much a day one thing for me, yeah.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Crushed on October 20, 2009, 11:53:49 PM
[youtube=560,345]bjiwz6moT6E[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]KTM2un5blYU[/youtube]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/preview-new-super/57913

omg
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 20, 2009, 11:59:52 PM
the mode where you can set a playlist of levels sounds so awesome
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2009, 12:13:05 AM
Same here. But man is it fucking ugly.


:rofl @ that condom ad before the GT video
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 12:33:10 AM
I think it's only ugly when in certain levels.  Would've preferred 2d character sprites, but the rest I'm pretty charmed by.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2009, 11:05:39 AM
I really never liked the audio or visual aesthetic they used for the first game. Blast it up to a fullsize TV and use the same music tracks and...
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2009, 11:09:35 AM
Blast it up to a fullsize TV and use the same music tracks and...

The graphics in NSMB Wii look A LOT better than the DS game.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 21, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
I don't think it's ugly, just really weird looking because it's a 3D on 2D.  It seems like either the characters or world should change to be more consistent with the other.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2009, 11:31:21 AM
Blast it up to a fullsize TV and use the same music tracks and...

The graphics in NSMB Wii look A LOT better than the DS game.

This I know, but they don't look as good as Paper Mario or Galaxy. I don't know why they had to source their art design from N64-era technology that really didn't look cohesive to begin with.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 02:38:56 PM
Oh man, if this were in the Paper Mario style :drool
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Post by: Oblivion on October 21, 2009, 06:14:01 PM
Oh man, if this were in the Paper Mario style :drool

We had a game like that already. And it turned out to be Super Paper Mario.  :yuck
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 06:34:11 PM
Well I know that game sucked, but that's because it wasn't a true platformer like this game.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 21, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
I think the game looks fine.  Alot of people have trouble remembering that the early mario games had a very sanitized look.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Rman on October 21, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
I still don't get the NSMB DS hate. 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 08:37:45 PM
Super Mario Bros. 3, while one of the best platformers ever, is kinda meh both in music and style.

The only 2D Mario games that I've felt the completely fucking nailed style and music were World and Yoshi's Island.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: demi on October 21, 2009, 08:52:02 PM
I still don't get the NSMB DS hate. 

Could be because it's garbage
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Rman on October 21, 2009, 08:53:31 PM
I still don't get the NSMB DS hate. 

Could be because it's garbage
Meh.  I had fun with it.  It was not in the league of SMB3 or Yoshi's Island, but that was fine with me.
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Post by: cool breeze on October 21, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
Super Mario Bros. 3, while one of the best platformers ever, is kinda meh both in music and style.

The only 2D Mario games that I've felt the completely fucking nailed style and music were World and Yoshi's Island.

I couldn't disagree more about SMB3.  Actually, one of the big reasons I don't like World nearly as much is because both the music and style felt like a huge downgrade (despite being on more powerful hardware).  I don't want to SMB3 was "dark" or anything like, but SMW felt like a kids cartoon compared to it.  Things like World 7 and how it was like a jazzy industrial theme with throwbacks to the underground areas in SMB1 were amazing.  And World 8 was just crazy.  It's like your in hell, fighting off tanks to a heavy marching theme.  SMB3 was so incredible.  SMW is amazing too, don't get me wrong, but SMB3 is on another level.  Yoshi's Island might be on that level.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 21, 2009, 09:25:19 PM
Blast it up to a fullsize TV and use the same music tracks and...

The graphics in NSMB Wii look A LOT better than the DS game.

The repeating tile(s? ... is there even more than one?) in the ground on a lot of levels are what kills it, I think.  That shit just looks lazy.  Everything else ain't so bad for what it is.  Some of the levels, like the underwater ones, look pretty good.
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Post by: Oblivion on October 21, 2009, 09:53:36 PM
The little bit of music I've heard in the game doesn't seem as bad. It sounds like they got a different composer.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 10:47:01 PM
Pretty sure it's that same woman.

Quote
I couldn't disagree more about SMB3.  Actually, one of the big reasons I don't like World nearly as much is because both the music and style felt like a huge downgrade (despite being on more powerful hardware).  I don't want to SMB3 was "dark" or anything like, but SMW felt like a kids cartoon compared to it.  Things like World 7 and how it was like a jazzy industrial theme with throwbacks to the underground areas in SMB1 were amazing.  And World 8 was just crazy.  It's like your in hell, fighting off tanks to a heavy marching theme.  SMB3 was so incredible.  SMW is amazing too, don't get me wrong, but SMB3 is on another level.  Yoshi's Island might be on that level.

Maybe it's my age, I don't know.  I identify Mario as a series in general more with the tropical theme of World because that's how I grew up playing him, for the most part.  World was my favorite SNES game by far.  And I don't know, I would rather listen to the overarching tropical theme music from World, especially the Athletic version, than I would listen to the regular music from Bros. 3.

Plus, the credits music in World, omg
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 21, 2009, 11:48:06 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qzPW0UQYoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrwr18hDsZQ

Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2009, 11:50:35 PM
I didn't even play World until years after it came out, so I always identify more with Super Mario Bros. 2 and the first two levels of Super Mario Bros. 1.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: tiesto on October 22, 2009, 12:31:37 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qzPW0UQYoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrwr18hDsZQ



[youtube=560,345]vBssTD-jc_4[/youtube]

:rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2009, 12:36:30 AM
Is there a particular reason you linked to Pokemon music?

Oh, and fuck bitches:
[youtube=560,345]gNcIAC30mWI[/youtube]
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Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2009, 12:43:08 AM
SMW's castle music >>>>>>>>>>>>> SMB3's castle music.

Both games have kickass ending music, however.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2009, 12:45:15 AM
[youtube=560,345]5uWAdxgpEBM[/youtube]
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Post by: Don Flamenco on October 22, 2009, 12:50:33 AM
NSMB DS' music is pretty bad, but it's the voices going "BAH!" on all the offbeats and breaks in the music that drives me up the wall. 
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2009, 12:57:51 AM
And even though Super Mario Bros. 2 is my least favorite Mario platformer, it might have some of the most tits music of the series.
[youtube=560,345]iUYQNIiNjq4&feature=related[/youtube]

:bow Mario music :bow2
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 22, 2009, 01:08:05 AM
I linked to pokemon music because the songs sound way similar.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2009, 01:10:01 AM
[youtube=560,345]AJfRxqc9wqo[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]64Czms00U2w[/youtube]
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2009, 01:11:58 AM
how can you post galaxy music and NOT post this  :'(
[youtube=560,345]-z2kxFCQ_mQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2009, 01:15:07 AM
I can't post ALL of the awesome SMG songs!!

And I was sticking with ones that use more simple tunes.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Hollywood on October 22, 2009, 02:52:31 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3tshJyI4A[/youtube]
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2009, 11:13:58 AM
The world map in NSMB also sucked, so I'm glad they're bringing that back.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
I'm not trying to be all Nintendo-faggy, but is online really important for a game like this?  I guess it'd be nice to have the option, but I think it kinda defeats the purpose of the way the multiplayer is supposed to be experienced.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Akala on October 23, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
I'm not trying to be all Nintendo-faggy, but is online really important for a game like this?  I guess it'd be nice to have the option, but I think it kinda defeats the purpose of the way the multiplayer is supposed to be experienced.

Fighting game (especially Virtua Fighter) fans have used this excuse for years.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 23, 2009, 03:07:09 PM
Why the fuck wouldn't I want online in every single game with co op?
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Post by: cool breeze on October 23, 2009, 03:07:20 PM
It's important.  That same room experience people talk about is usually just a bullshit excuse for why they didn't put in online.  Truth is that after grades k-12, it becomes more difficult for people to find three other adult humans (as in not man-babies) to sit down and play a video game like this with.  Nintendo still believes it's the future world of 1999 and manages to stay on par with the Dreamcast.  When/if they do decide to bring more things online, then they will start saying something about how it's a breakthrough that you can play Mario across the internet.  I'm also not saying that local play is bad.  Littlebigplanet has a similar play structure and supported both online and local; online was smooth most of the time but on the rare occasion when I could try local, it obviously was at its best.  Options are nice, and in the year 2009, these things should be expected in games.

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Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
I'm not trying to be all Nintendo-faggy, but is online really important for a game like this?  I guess it'd be nice to have the option, but I think it kinda defeats the purpose of the way the multiplayer is supposed to be experienced.

Fighting game (especially Virtua Fighter) fans have used this excuse for years.

There's completely different reasoning behind online regarding fighting games.  It has very little to do with same room experience.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
I'm not trying to be all Nintendo-faggy, but is online really important for a game like this?  I guess it'd be nice to have the option, but I think it kinda defeats the purpose of the way the multiplayer is supposed to be experienced.

They are free to make whatever game they want to make and allocate whatever resources they want to make to include whatever features they want. Clearly Nintendo doesn't put a lot of effort into online and it certainly hasn't hurt them in the marketplace so there is something to be said about being dedicated to the focus they have chosen.

But including online multiplayer doesn't defeat the purpose of anything if your mode already has local co-op. All it does is allow people who don't hang with grown men who want to come over to your house or apartment and play a Mario game to enjoy the game.

Its 2009. Not 1999.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: archie4208 on October 23, 2009, 03:22:46 PM
Don't be so hard on Nintendo, guys.  NSMB Wii uses ALL of the system's processing power (http://kotaku.com/5278060/no-online-play-for-new-super-mario-bros).  Online play is not feasible. :(
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2009, 03:24:01 PM
I know it's ONM, but...

Quote
What's the soundtrack like?
I love it. It's a mixture of remixed New Super Mario Bros DS tracks, some old-school SMB and SMB3 tracks and some new stuff. The new track for the first underwater stage is one of the best tracks I've heard in a modern Mario game. It's right up there with some of the Galaxy stuff. Loved it.

Makes me very pleased. GotY confirmed again.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 03:24:34 PM
Meh, I'm just not into online gaming period I guess.  But yeah I agree with you guys, the option should be there.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
HOLY SHIT

:drudge :drudge :drudge

Quote from: Edge Magazine
7

:drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
 :lol

Edge also liked NSMB DS better.  We all KNOW that's not the case.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2009, 03:28:20 PM
NSMB ds sucked
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 03:30:30 PM
Meh, I'm just not into online gaming period I guess.  But yeah I agree with you guys, the option should be there.

The problem is that many of us simply are adults and unless you are playing with your kids or something the local co-op experience is useless to me. And even more uselsss if I need 3 other people to play with.

When Nintendo doesn't include online features in their games (or shoddy online features) its because they are catering to a market that doesn't care about that. Which is fine. That's just not me. Which is why I generally game on other systems.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 03:32:35 PM
It didn't suck so much as that it was fairly forgettable due to some pretty obvious flaws.  Everything I've read about this game seems to indicate that they've fixed a lot of those issues.
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Post by: Akala on October 23, 2009, 03:42:01 PM
There's completely different reasoning behind online regarding fighting games.  It has very little to do with same room experience.

Somewhat. While the clear reasoning against online in most (serious) fighters was that games would be unplayable at a high level, there is always some 'will kill the scene' and 'same room experience' junk in the periphery. Maybe it's kind of wrong to lump them in all together (as the lag excuse is way more valid than all of the others), but hey. IIRC this was the primary argument when VF5 Online was announced for the 360, along with the doubt Sega could get it running well, and the undercurrent of pissed off PS3 fans shitting all over it. While we still aren't at the point where it totally matches what you get (input/lag wise) playing someone locally, I have to appreciate the option.

SF4 wouldn't have held my interest nearly as long as it did if there wasn't an online mode. I'd rather suffer through many busted laggy games to get at least a few good ones.

In any case, a game like SMB has no excuse to not be online, save laziness.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
The lag argument is always a bit silly to me especially when the online that has been implemented in fighting games currently is shitty no matter what. The vast bulk of people who play online fighting games aren't tournament level and the same goes with fps shooting games. All action games are better locally when it comes to latency but most people still want an online version in there.

There will always be a difference between a good online Street Fighter player and a live street fighter player. As long as we know that I've never seen the issue.

 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 23, 2009, 03:49:09 PM
The problem is that many of us simply are adults and unless you are playing with your kids or something the local co-op experience is useless to me. And even more uselsss if I need 3 other people to play with.

It's as if they're intentionally making it harder for us to play them. Maybe that's the signal Nintendo is trying to send after all; we shouldn't be playing Mario period.

I don't know about that.  I kinda get the feeling that they want parents to play with their kids or something like that.  The super guide function is probably there so pa doesn't get angry and pull a switch on his boy.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 03:53:43 PM
I don't know about that.  I kinda get the feeling that they want parents to play with their kids or something like that.  The super guide function is probably there so pa doesn't get angry and pull a switch on his boy.

I don't think its any secret they are targeting either a family or young kids.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 03:55:27 PM
The lag argument is always a bit silly to me especially when the online that has been implemented in fighting games currently is shitty no matter what. The vast bulk of people who play online fighting games aren't tournament level and the same goes with fps shooting games. All action games are better locally when it comes to latency but most people still want an online version in there.
 

The people who were doing the most arguing against it were just inflating their heads.  It was only ever going to be a problem with a select niche of really hardcore gamers and that never excused the lack of the option for everyone else.  Lag does severely fuck up the game, but nothing's changed for the people who really need to take issue with it.  They've always played locally.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 23, 2009, 03:56:03 PM
mario games target families and younger people?!?!?!

 :drudge
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Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Hmm, seems Edge gave the DS version an 8.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 23, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
the big news is that they gave uncharted 2 a 9 so sony fans can finally shut the fuck up about edge.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 03:58:10 PM
The people who were doing the most arguing against it were just inflating their heads.  It was only ever going to be a problem with a select niche of really hardcore gamers and that never excused the lack of the option for everyone else.  Lag does severely fuck up the game, but nothing's changed for the people who really need to take issue with it.  They've always played locally.

Agreed. Although from what I've seen, I think the fighting games have done an especially bad job with their online net code and general functionality even compared to other genres.


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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 04:00:18 PM
the big news is that they gave uncharted 2 a 9 so sony fans can finally shut the fuck up about edge.

Nope. It's GAF.

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seem pretty good scores this month, but what did Uncharted 2 have to do to earn a 10? I can't think of how they could have improved it.

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So they kept their no 10 to a PS3 game streak alive?

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I really don't agree with Edge's scores

They gave MGS4 an 8, and Halo 3 a 10/10? Halo 3 is perfection? I really don't see how that happens... MGS4 was one of the best games I have ever played for this console generation (Uncharted 2 took number one...), I liked Halo 3, but no way does it deserve a fucking 10.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 04:03:14 PM
The people who were doing the most arguing against it were just inflating their heads.  It was only ever going to be a problem with a select niche of really hardcore gamers and that never excused the lack of the option for everyone else.  Lag does severely fuck up the game, but nothing's changed for the people who really need to take issue with it.  They've always played locally.

Agreed. Although from what I've seen, I think the fighting games have done an especially bad job with their online net code and general functionality even compared to other genres.

I assume its due to a fundamental inability to compensate for lag in any way, but I really don't know what the deal is there.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 04:04:07 PM
I kinda doubt they put much time into SFIV's online.  It's half-assed at best.  KOF's is totally inexcusable.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2009, 04:06:52 PM
I kinda doubt they put much time into SFIV's online.  It's half-assed at best.  KOF's is totally inexcusable.

It's a general stereotype but I still don't think the Japanese do online very well for the most part when it comes to general functionality and performance Western gamers are use to. There are exceptions of course. But I thought the online for SF 4 was mostly shit.

It's not, but what I was trying to say is exactly what swaggaz said; I don't think they want to game with your adult friends over online, nor even give you the option, they want to force you to play with your wife and kids.

That may be true. I just wish they were honest about that proposition when they speak to it instead of saying weird stuff like the system is all tapped out. They don't care about online for lots of reasons. It costs. It diverts resources. It's probably meaningless to a large portion of the Wii audience, etc.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: iconoclast on October 23, 2009, 04:21:22 PM
SF4's netcode is superb on 4 and 5 bars and still decent on 3 bars. Marvel and SF2HDR still have great netcode (SF2 falls apart around 90-100ms; haven't played enough Marvel to comment on that) and BlazBlue of course has godly netcode. VF5 set the standard for console fighters, and all of those games have improved upon it IMO. Tekken 6 should have the best netcode (for 3D at least) considering how popular it's going to be, but I think there's a pretty decent chance that Namco is gonna blow it.




Wait, what was this thread about again?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
HOLY SHIT

:drudge :drudge :drudge

Quote from: Edge Magazine
7

:drudge :drudge :drudge

So, it's as good as Brutal Legend and better than Borderlands? Sounds like a pretty awesome game to me.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 23, 2009, 04:41:58 PM
 :maf what did edge give borderlands?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
:maf what did edge give borderlands?

6
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 23, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
Why I oughta...
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
Just create an Edge hate thread and be done with it.

Was that directed at FoC? ... :teehee
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 06:30:40 PM
A 7 is a reasonable score from what I've seen so far of the game...

 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: SantaC on October 23, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
:maf what did edge give borderlands?

it is just a typical generic american game which is overrated by the american media.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: duckman2000 on October 23, 2009, 06:59:26 PM
:maf what did edge give borderlands?

it is just a typical generic american game which is overrated by the american media.

I'm not exactly a fan of Gearbox, but I really don't think you can label this game "generic." I don't know if it's great or not since I haven't played it, but I know enough about it to know that it's something a bit special.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2009, 07:00:30 PM
:maf what did edge give borderlands?

it is just a typical generic american game which is overrated by the american media.

OXM UK gave it an 8.0 and Computer & Video Games UK gave it an 8.5.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: SantaC on October 23, 2009, 07:10:52 PM
:maf what did edge give borderlands?

it is just a typical generic american game which is overrated by the american media.

I'm not exactly a fan of Gearbox, but I really don't think you can label this game "generic." I don't know if it's great or not since I haven't played it, but I know enough about it to know that it's something a bit special.


If this is the same gearbox that failed with Counter-Strike Condition Zero and made that horrible Halo 1 to PC version, then yes these guys are horrible.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: duckman2000 on October 23, 2009, 07:13:16 PM
You're not going to goad me into defending the company, but your "generic American game" verdict seems completely off. No surprise there.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: SantaC on October 23, 2009, 07:15:47 PM
You're not going to goad me into defending the company, but your "generic American game" verdict seems completely off. No surprise there.

Att du ens orkar hänga seriöst på det här stället alltså  :-\
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: demi on October 23, 2009, 07:16:30 PM
LMAO SantaC PM'd me

Hey guess what, you're still a LOSER
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: duckman2000 on October 23, 2009, 07:16:37 PM
You're not going to goad me into defending the company, but your "generic American game" verdict seems completely off. No surprise there.

Att du ens orkar hänga seriöst på det här stället alltså  :-\

Tricket är kanske att inte ta det så seriöst?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: SantaC on October 23, 2009, 07:38:04 PM
LMAO SantaC PM'd me

Hey guess what, you're still a LOSER

I am just tired of your BS. You're the reason I dislike this forum. Or else it would be kinda good.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 07:42:23 PM
Google translate is my friend  :-*

SantaC owned by Duckman.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 07:44:18 PM
   
din mamma är ful, SantaC.  8)
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 07:44:24 PM
LMAO SantaC PM'd me

Hey guess what, you're still a LOSER

I am just tired of your BS. You're the reason I dislike this forum. Or else it would be kinda good.

You need to beef up your stats a bit before you can take on the final boss of evilbore.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
Who the fuck cares about co-op in a MARIO game unless you're fucking 7 years old or have a kid/sibling anyways? Single player all the way.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
Who the fuck cares about co-op in a MARIO game unless you're fucking 7 years old or have a kid/sibling anyways? Single player all the way.

Saint Cornelius seems to care.

I personally don't care for co-op platforming. LBP was kinda fun, though. But I want to play a Mario game on my own.
That's why the released footage of NSMBwii doesn't look interesting at all.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
^wut
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 08:36:36 PM
It just doesn't look fun to play with others. I only see a generic 2D Mario game with added 3 players.
In LBP you can at least solve puzzles together and have player interaction.

Nintendo should've taken a different route with this game. The whole game and the graphics look very empty and boring to me.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 23, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
How much extra stuff is in this game?  I'm playing NSMB right now and it has its moments, but it's not "I wanna play this again" material.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 23, 2009, 09:00:49 PM
How much extra stuff is in this game?  I'm playing NSMB right now and it has its moments, but it's not "I wanna play this again" material.

pretty sure it's a totally new game

It just doesn't look fun to play with others. I only see a generic 2D Mario game with added 3 players.
In LBP you can at least solve puzzles together and have player interaction.

Nintendo should've taken a different route with this game. The whole game and the graphics look very empty and boring to me.

I agree that puzzle based platformers are better suited for co-op, but NSMB wii would still be fun if only for messing around with others.

Trine is another good co-op platformer, btw.  I tried the PC version co-op once and it's works well.  Don't know when it's coming to 360 or PS3.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 09:02:34 PM
Trine is already out on PSN. Bought if off PSN yesterday.

It has co-op? Never knew that. The game is pretty good so far.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 23, 2009, 09:09:25 PM
don't know about the PS3 version or if it's online co-op there.  PC version is local only and it's actually a pretty weird setup.  I output the image to both my monitor and TV, then I played on my PC as a friend played with the 360 controller on the TV.  I don't know if you can do two controllers since I didn't have two to try out.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 23, 2009, 09:32:15 PM
don't know about the PS3 version or if it's online co-op there.  PC version is local only and it's actually a pretty weird setup.  I output the image to both my monitor and TV, then I played on my PC as a friend played with the 360 controller on the TV.  I don't know if you can do two controllers since I didn't have two to try out.

lol, there's seems to be co-op. Just tried it out.
Turned the second controller on and pressed start. A second character appeared on the screen.
You can do local co-op up to 3 players. Pretty neat.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 24, 2009, 02:41:01 AM
I think expecting lag free play from certain genres is an unrealistic expectation.  As I understand it, most of it is predicting where the player is going to be and acting on that until the packets arrive.  This doesn't work very well with fighting games but is doable for racers.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 24, 2009, 07:20:37 AM
It just doesn't look fun to play with others. I only see a generic 2D Mario game with added 3 players.
In LBP you can at least solve puzzles together and have player interaction.

you're not making any sense. you solve puzzles together to get coins and you have player interaction via using other players as jumps/eating and spitting out other players/picking up and throwing other players. it's a mario game + more people. i see it more as a bonus. i do agree that LBP is more ambitious, but its platforming elements are not and will never touch mario levels.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: ch1nchilla on October 24, 2009, 09:00:12 AM
This is going to make for so many awesome drunken Mario shenanigans with 4 players, I cannot wait.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 24, 2009, 02:30:31 PM
One benefit to not doing an online co-op of your local co-op is that you don't have to hear endless bitching about how you screwed it up. (See Castle Crashers, Smash Brothers, etc)
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 24, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
LMAO SantaC PM'd me

Hey guess what, you're still a LOSER

I am just tired of your BS. You're the reason I dislike this forum. Or else it would be kinda good.

You need to beef up your stats a bit before you can take on the final boss of evilbore.

 :lol
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 24, 2009, 04:36:14 PM
So here's why Edge gave it a 7:

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Though his plumbing skills are rarely tested, Mario has often shown himself to be an expert architect. The games in both 2D and 3D are exemplars of pinpoint platforming, worlds constructed to lock perfectly with the parabola of each jump, the traction and momentum of Italian shoes. But there's something else, too - a rare joie de vivre - found in Mario's effusive yelps, in the irrepressible jollity of the world and, most of all, in the constant, enthusiastic invention. To put it more colloquially, Mario at his best has magic. And it's missing from NSMB Wii.

There you have it.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2009, 04:46:05 PM
Ah, looks like Nintendo forgot to add in the vague, childlike nostalgia.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2009, 05:12:03 PM
So here's why Edge gave it a 7:

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Though his plumbing skills are rarely tested, Mario has often shown himself to be an expert architect. The games in both 2D and 3D are exemplars of pinpoint platforming, worlds constructed to lock perfectly with the parabola of each jump, the traction and momentum of Italian shoes. But there's something else, too - a rare joie de vivre - found in Mario's effusive yelps, in the irrepressible jollity of the world and, most of all, in the constant, enthusiastic invention. To put it more colloquially, Mario at his best has magic. And it's missing from NSMB Wii.

There you have it.

God, Edge is awful.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 24, 2009, 05:30:48 PM
LMAO SantaC PM'd me

Hey guess what, you're still a LOSER

I am just tired of your BS. You're the reason I dislike this forum. Or else it would be kinda good.

You need to beef up your stats a bit before you can take on the final boss of evilbore.


i missed this :lol
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 24, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
So here's why Edge gave it a 7:

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Though his plumbing skills are rarely tested, Mario has often shown himself to be an expert architect. The games in both 2D and 3D are exemplars of pinpoint platforming, worlds constructed to lock perfectly with the parabola of each jump, the traction and momentum of Italian shoes. But there's something else, too - a rare joie de vivre - found in Mario's effusive yelps, in the irrepressible jollity of the world and, most of all, in the constant, enthusiastic invention. To put it more colloquially, Mario at his best has magic. And it's missing from NSMB Wii.

There you have it.

so the game got a 7 because it lacks "je ne sais quoi."  ::)
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 24, 2009, 08:11:43 PM
Not enough whimsy for Edge magazine
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 24, 2009, 08:39:53 PM
This is like when Edge described FEAR 2 as having "class".  You know what it means even if they sound up their own ass.

If that nostalgia/whimsy/magic shit can be pulled as a reason to defend a game (see Epic Mickey thread on gaf) then the absence of it can be use to criticize.  It's stupid either way.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 24, 2009, 11:07:47 PM
My biggest concern is that the game will be too short.  Like 3-4 hours short.

I think the whole thing about magic is valid though it is hard to describe.  NSMB on DS lacked this; it felt like a fan made effort through and through.  YI2 felt this way as well but it was outsourced so that explains that.  Although I'd pin that down on the music and level design, not magic or whimsy.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 24, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
It's supposed to be 6-7 hours if you breeze through it (which is actually longer than the other 2D Mario games if you're doing the same thing). And I think 15-20 if you decide to get everything.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 25, 2009, 05:11:02 AM
That Edge quote seems out of context.  I'm playing through Mario 3 right now and as I've said before, the games are very very sterile yet the fun is in the physics. 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2009, 05:41:08 AM
It's nice to write well but is it really necessary to use such words and phrases when reviewing a Mario game?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 25, 2009, 12:08:36 PM
I don't have a problem with "magic."  Kind of a manchild word to use but we all know what it means.  It just means good level design.

It's supposed to be 6-7 hours if you breeze through it (which is actually longer than the other 2D Mario games if you're doing the same thing). And I think 15-20 if you decide to get everything.

Really?  That's pretty good then.  5-6 hours is what it would take for me to beat Mario 1-3 each without using warps.

I'll buy it, it is just a matter of when I decide to reWii.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2009, 04:55:39 PM
I don't have a problem necessarily when people use the word 'magic', but it's when you try and press that person to be more specific and they can't explain that gets my gears grindin.

It's pretty easy for me to describe why a game would be 'magical'. It's when almost every aspect of the game is cohesive and matches up properly, level design, music, graphics, etc. If NSMB had better graphics and music, I think it would definitely be comparable to SMB3 and World for me. Of course, I'm one of the few that didn't mind the level design in NSMB.

For NSMB: Wii, it appears they've fixed those issues (graphics might still be of the same style, but it looks a helluva lot cleaner), and I trust Nintendo for the most part to deliver with the level design. So this game should rock.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 25, 2009, 07:04:40 PM
If you're an average gamer dork giving your impressions of some game you played, it's fine if all you can say is "I dunno man, I'm just not feeling the magic".  A professional reviewer ought to be able to actually dig deeper and analyze things, not just lean on their repressed-English-major skills.

The magic bit isn't even the worst part of that paragraph, though.

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Though his plumbing skills are rarely tested, Mario has often shown himself to be an expert architect. The games in both 2D and 3D are exemplars of pinpoint platforming, worlds constructed to lock perfectly with the parabola of each jump, the traction and momentum of Italian shoes. But there's something else, too - a rare joie de vivre - found in Mario's effusive yelps, in the irrepressible jollity of the world and, most of all, in the constant, enthusiastic invention. To put it more colloquially, Mario at his best has magic. And it's missing from NSMB Wii.

italian shoes wtf
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Barry Egan on October 25, 2009, 07:12:11 PM
that entire paragraph makes me fucking sick.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 25, 2009, 07:22:21 PM
So, breakdown of pros and cons (stolen from somebody's post in another forum):

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+Mario is an expert architect
+Jumps in a perfect parabola
+Italian shoes give Mario perfect traction
-Mario's plumbing skills rarely tested
-Lacking in joie de vivre
-Mario's Yelps insufficiently effusive
-Jollity of the world feels repressed
-Not inventive or magical
-No Mii support.

edit: shit, I thought I could get away with this because the "other forum" wasn't GAF, but little did I know the person I stole the post from, stole it from GAF.  Serves me right!
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2009, 07:28:47 PM
I don't have a problem necessarily when people use the word 'magic', but it's when you try and press that person to be more specific and they can't explain that gets my gears grindin.

Agreed. Its not to hard to actually go into design and game techniques in a review rather than random artsy word manipulation. 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: tiesto on October 25, 2009, 07:50:38 PM
I think "magic" more so covers a bunch of different things rather than simply 'good level design'

-surprises and unexpected happenings during the course of your game
-very subtle attention to detail
-innovation in gameplay mechanics
-etc.

I can usually tell why I like a game w/o resorting to 'magic' and I am one of the biggest nostalgia whores on EB.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 25, 2009, 07:50:49 PM
The first time in forever that I'm wishing I had a Wii :-\
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2009, 08:12:45 PM
I think "magic" more so covers a bunch of different things rather than simply 'good level design'

-surprises and unexpected happenings during the course of your game
-very subtle attention to detail
-innovation in gameplay mechanics
-etc.

I can usually tell why I like a game w/o resorting to 'magic' and I am one of the biggest nostalgia whores on EB.

"Magic" always seems like a cheap-cop out to me. As in I don't have the ability to verbalize what I think is good about a game so instead resort to the mystical and undefinable. The issue also maybe word limit where in that case a person has to use such a term because he doesn't have the actual space to define and delineate what is exactly "magical".

Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: duckman2000 on October 25, 2009, 08:20:23 PM
"Magic" is fine. I'm sure they could have wasted space and the reader's time by describing it in more detail, but chances are people get what they are saying anyway.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
"Magic" is fine. I'm sure they could have wasted space and the reader's time by describing it in more detail, but chances are people get what they are saying anyway.

They could have used the last paragraph to explain, in detail, what magic means, rather than throwing out all that random stuff.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 25, 2009, 08:33:53 PM
If you're an average gamer dork giving your impressions of some game you played, it's fine if all you can say is "I dunno man, I'm just not feeling the magic".  A professional reviewer ought to be able to actually dig deeper and analyze things, not just lean on their repressed-English-major skills.

The magic bit isn't even the worst part of that paragraph, though.

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Though his plumbing skills are rarely tested, Mario has often shown himself to be an expert architect. The games in both 2D and 3D are exemplars of pinpoint platforming, worlds constructed to lock perfectly with the parabola of each jump, the traction and momentum of Italian shoes. But there's something else, too - a rare joie de vivre - found in Mario's effusive yelps, in the irrepressible jollity of the world and, most of all, in the constant, enthusiastic invention. To put it more colloquially, Mario at his best has magic. And it's missing from NSMB Wii.

italian shoes wtf

Sounds par for the course to me.  Game reviewers don't know how to write a review.  Shit, most of them don't even play the games they review.

I kinda thought that the hyped game journalist symposium was supposed to take care of these issues.  I guess not.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: pilonv1 on October 26, 2009, 02:41:20 AM
:bow EDGE :bow2
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2009, 02:45:03 AM
Isn't edge supposed to be the best gaming mag? lol
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 26, 2009, 03:30:48 AM
Isn't edge supposed to be the best gaming mag? lol

It does have the best articles and doesn't devolve into top ten lists.  Well, except for the "what we're playing" segment.  But its just a little box.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Rman on October 26, 2009, 03:35:49 AM
that entire paragraph makes me fucking sick.
.

I love EDGE, but they try too hard sometimes.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 26, 2009, 09:31:12 AM
Isn't edge supposed to be the best gaming mag? lol

what do you think that says about other gaming magazines
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Herr Mafflard on October 26, 2009, 09:33:14 AM
Here is the whole review to mull over, rather than just the opening preamble.

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Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2009, 05:04:52 PM
Yeah, like I thought. They didn't like the graphics, the music, and seems like multi-player was just crammed in there, as opposed to being a conscientious decision from the start.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 26, 2009, 05:32:03 PM
Isn't edge supposed to be the best gaming mag? lol

It does have the best articles and doesn't devolve into top ten lists.  Well, except for the "what we're playing" segment.  But its just a little box.

Their articles are great. What other western mag would devote two whole pages to Earth Defense Force 2017 and the fate of Sandlot years after the game was released?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: demi on October 26, 2009, 05:32:38 PM
Yeah, like I thought. They didn't like the graphics, the music, and seems like multi-player was just crammed in there, as opposed to being a conscientious decision from the start.

So basically it sucks shit. Could have told you that
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: cool breeze on October 26, 2009, 06:22:08 PM
Yeah, like I thought. They didn't like the graphics, the music, and seems like multi-player was just crammed in there, as opposed to being a conscientious decision from the start.

thank zeus
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: SantaC on October 27, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
LMAO SantaC PM'd me

Hey guess what, you're still a LOSER

I am just tired of your BS. You're the reason I dislike this forum. Or else it would be kinda good.

You need to beef up your stats a bit before you can take on the final boss of evilbore.
:lol

christ santaC is a shit poster.

meh you're just a 10 year old noob compared to me.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Beezy on October 27, 2009, 10:24:20 PM
I don't think I've responded to any of your posts until now, but you really have been fucking annoying since you got here. Did you join just to argue and get on everyone's nerves?
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 28, 2009, 02:27:54 AM
As an expert attention whore I would say its just his nature.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2009, 11:38:09 PM
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14354229/super-mario-wii-2/videos/nsmb_vdp_102909.html (http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14354229/super-mario-wii-2/videos/nsmb_vdp_102909.html)

Looks awesome, music in the IGN preview is actually pretty good too
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Oblivion on October 30, 2009, 01:16:59 AM
Music sounds fairly nice.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Third on October 30, 2009, 10:17:44 AM
I'm definitely going to play this alone. The mp looks like some hectic shit.
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2009, 02:08:27 PM
I'll never even have a chance to play this with 4 people  :'(

MAYBE 2
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 31, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
december break = smoking with friends, playing new super mario bros wii


spoiler (click to show/hide)
list is overly simplified, does not express the massive amounts of poon i'll be rolling in
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Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2009, 05:07:20 PM
list is overly simplified, does not express the massive amounts of poon i'll be rolling in

It's sweet that you're going to be spending xmas with your mother.  Maybe she will play new super mario bros with you, after her massive poon hole gets roll in that is. 
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: twerd on October 31, 2009, 05:49:37 PM
...it grew
Title: Re: NSMB wii looks pretty boss
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 31, 2009, 05:55:27 PM
 :lol