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Title: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 12:01:33 AM
I had a discussion with my friend recently about whether she should take a developmental psych class or intro to philosophy. I told her psych, not only because I'm a psych major and biased toward it, but because intro to philosophy made me want to stab myself in the throat.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:03:43 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 12:04:04 AM
I enjoyed it a lot. Contemplated making it my major, once.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: mikesphat on December 14, 2006, 12:05:48 AM
nikki show me a pic of yourself... plz  :o :-*
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
Women seem to really dislike philosophy. 90% of the majors are male.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 12:07:08 AM
I hate philosophy. It can suck a dick.

Speaking of which, I've got a final tomorrow. I should probably study for this shit. Too bad fucking STAR MOTHERFUCKINGTRECK is coming on in 5 minutes.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 12:14:40 AM
nikki show me a pic of yourself... plz  :o :-*
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A few months ago:

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A few weeks ago:

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Or also, there's some in the picture thread.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on December 14, 2006, 12:15:49 AM
 :hitit





 :-*
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:16:31 AM
I enjoy ethical, political, and legal philosophy for the most part. I also like logic and analytical philosophy. However I really hate reading things like what Aristotle thinks about the senses or how some post-modernist thinks language is a prison house or schizophrenia doesn't exist. I could not roll my eyes hard enough. Most texts are also a pain to read, sentences run on for ever and paragraphs stretch on for pages. Also most philosopher's seem to always need to create a whole list of new terms, which they rarely bother to explain.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 12:22:46 AM
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ow some post-modernist thinks language is a prison house

This is the kind I like most, and I know most people hate it so I never bore anyone by droning on about it.

Yeah, I like philosophy a lot.  I almost majored in it, but I wasn't interested in any of the primary careers that path leads to.  If I could go back and do things again, I probably would be interested, knowing what I know now.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 12:25:03 AM
The run-on sentences and neverending paragraphs make my heart sad. These men were supposed to be brilliant, but evidently couldn't correctly construct their thoughts.

About the male thing, I never thought of it, but I don't think there are any female philosophy faculty members at my school and I've never met a female philosophy major.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 12:26:44 AM
Philosphy was the greatest class I took in college.  A few years ago, I even bought a bunch of Philosophy college books off the internet just to read them.  My brother is a Philosphy major and we spend hours talking about it sometimes.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 12:29:26 AM
Philosphy was the greatest class I took in college.  A few years ago, I even bought a bunch of Philosophy college books off the internet just to read them.  My brother is a Philosphy major and we spend hours talking about it sometimes.

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I guess a lot of thinking goes into psyching yourself up to fuck fat chicks.
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Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 12:30:17 AM
 :o

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Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:31:23 AM
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ow some post-modernist thinks language is a prison house

This is the kind I like most, and I know most people hate it so I never bore anyone by droning on about it.

Yeah, I like philosophy a lot.  I almost majored in it, but I wasn't interested in any of the primary careers that path leads to.  If I could go back and do things again, I probably would be interested, knowing what I know now.
Language has always seemed like it enables far more thought then it could possibly restrict. If anything the superfluous nature of our language allows are thoughts to be carried away into an endless stream of metaphysical nonsense.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 12:32:30 AM
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Bacon on December 14, 2006, 12:32:55 AM
I never took it.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 12:33:30 AM
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol

Holy shit, you're terrible. And you, with all the fat chick friends you have.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: GilloD on December 14, 2006, 12:33:43 AM
I majored in it. The key is getting past the kids who show up for "deep thinking". Once you realize most philosophy is little more than thought exercise, it's an enormous playground. You do have to carry a great deal of relativism and ability to work with nonsense, abstract thought with you.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 12:34:58 AM
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol
I am cool!  We won't talk about philosophy if you want  *mwah*

Fat girls don't walk in the woods anyways.  They wait til it's paved and they can take a taxi there.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 12:35:53 AM
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ow some post-modernist thinks language is a prison house

This is the kind I like most, and I know most people hate it so I never bore anyone by droning on about it.

Yeah, I like philosophy a lot.  I almost majored in it, but I wasn't interested in any of the primary careers that path leads to.  If I could go back and do things again, I probably would be interested, knowing what I know now.
Language has always seemed like it enables far more thought then it could possibly restrict. If anything the superfluous nature of our language allows are thoughts to be carried away into an endless stream of metaphysical nonsense.

Oh, I didn't mean the exact statement you said.  I more generally meant the philosophy of language and signs.  I don't specifically believe the "language is a prison" stuff.  I like semiotics stuff and things that are nearly fringe sociology.

Also, all you haters:  You ever take an intro to logic course?  I guarantee you will learn quite a few things that will serve you well.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 12:36:48 AM
My philosophy class was pretty awesome, but anyone who majors in it is wasting money.

Our teacher was kickass. We watched The Matrix and Office Space to illistrate certain philosophical ideas (such as the idea of "nothing" and whether it truly exists). We read this amazing book called the Tao of Pooh. Awesome class.

The teacher was pretty young so maybe that's why it rocked so much
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: mikesphat on December 14, 2006, 12:37:11 AM
wow nikki you are pretty hawt!

whats the necklace?


id rip it  :-*
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 12:37:56 AM
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol
I am cool!  We won't talk about philosophy if you want  *mwah*

Fat girls don't walk in the woods anyways.  They wait til it's paved and they can take a taxi there.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

I take it back, you're most awesome.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Beezy on December 14, 2006, 12:41:14 AM
I'm finishing up my last philosophy class right now. Never again.  :'(
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 12:41:52 AM
My philosophy class was pretty awesome, but anyone who majors in it is wasting money.

Not really.  Philosophy degrees are good for legal shit.  It's one of the preferred degrees when applying for the FBI.

It's a good "base" degree.  Law schools like em, medical schools like em (as long as you've taken the pre-med courses), and any academic discipline likes em. 
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 12:44:03 AM
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol
I am cool!  We won't talk about philosophy if you want  *mwah*

Fat girls don't walk in the woods anyways.  They wait til it's paved and they can take a taxi there.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

I take it back, you're most awesome.
:D

I got that cake for you now!

And yeah, Philosophy is a good degree for lots of things.  Even in my department at work we look for people with degrees or any kind of background with philosophy or sociology.  It looks pretty impressive.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 12:46:21 AM
I love cake.

Sociology >>>>>>>> philosophy.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:47:25 AM

Also, all you haters:  You ever take an intro to logic course?  I guarantee you will learn quite a few things that will serve you well.
Are you talking about an intro informal logic course or an intro formal logic course. I see the value in the former, but the latter will have little practical value for most people. The informal logic class I took three years ago was one of the most valuable classes I have ever taken.


It's a good "base" degree.  Law schools like em, medical schools like em (as long as you've taken the pre-med courses), and any academic discipline likes em. 

Yeah... but you can't keep canceling your LSAT scores.  :'(

And Phoenix, your philosophy class sounds like a joke.

I love cake.

Sociology <<<<<<<<<<<<< ANAL RAPE
fixed
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 12:49:35 AM
My philosophy class was pretty awesome, but anyone who majors in it is wasting money.

Our teacher was kickass. We watched The Matrix and Office Space to illistrate certain philosophical ideas (such as the idea of "nothing" and whether it truly exists). We read this amazing book called the Tao of Pooh. Awesome class.

The teacher was pretty young so maybe that's why it rocked so much


This is actually a pretty good troll. You're learning!
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Cupil on December 14, 2006, 12:50:19 AM
reading suxx

so filosofy suxx 2
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 12:50:40 AM
I love cake.

Sociology >>>>>>>> philosophy.
Whatever floats your boat  :heart

I like Sociology too.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 12:51:46 AM

Also, all you haters:  You ever take an intro to logic course?  I guarantee you will learn quite a few things that will serve you well.
Are you talking about an intro informal logic course or an intro formal logic course. I see the value in the former, but the latter will have little practical value for most people. The informal logic class I took three years ago was one of the most valuable classes I have ever taken.


It's a good "base" degree.  Law schools like em, medical schools like em (as long as you've taken the pre-med courses), and any academic discipline likes em. 

Yeah... but you can't keep canceling your LSAT scores.  :'(

And Phoenix, your philosophy class sounds like a joke.

I love cake.

Sociology <<<<<<<<<<<<< ANAL RAPE
fixed


Yeah, informal logic.  Learning the arguments and fallacies is incredibly useful when speaking and writing;  particularly when it comes to learning how to use fallacies more effectively since it's an easy way to convince people of your pov, or get what you want.  But I'm sure that most intro to logic classes contain a bit of both formal and informal.  I know mine did.


Bah, why the hate on Sociology?  It's like philosophy's inbred cousin!
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 12:51:57 AM
Mupepe, teach these boys about Pimpology, and help them minor in Whattabitchwantsology.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:54:32 AM
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte. The first book with sociology in the title was also written by a philosopher, Herbert Spencer.
I bet that blew your mind little girl.


 :-\

Bah, why the hate on Sociology?  It's like philosophy's inbred cousin!
They seem to fail to integrate knowledge gained in other fields into their work, like Comte intended. 
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 12:56:10 AM
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte. The first book with sociology in the title was also written by a philosopher, Herbert Spencer.
I bet that blew your mind little girl.


 :-\

Christ was a Jew. What's your point?

Sociologists couldn't have existed before Sociology.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 12:58:56 AM
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte. The first book with sociology in the title was also written by a philosopher, Herbert Spencer.
I bet that blew your mind little girl.


 :-\

Christ was a Jew. What's your point?

Sociologists couldn't have existed before Sociology.
Well people studied society before that point... they were called philosophers. 
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 01:01:01 AM
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte. The first book with sociology in the title was also written by a philosopher, Herbert Spencer.
I bet that blew your mind little girl.


 :-\

Christ was a Jew. What's your point?

Sociologists couldn't have existed before Sociology.
Well people studied society before that point... they were called philosophers. 

That's my motherfucking point. I don't know whose mind you're trying to blow with your philosophers came before sociologists comment.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:03:19 AM
My sociology class wasn't bad either. We watched the scene in the Godfather where Michael gets a new wife to illistrate how marriage/courting is dealt with in other cultures; sadly we didn't get to see how Italians deal with their problems, as seen throughout the rest of The Godfather.

On the flipside we watched The Coalminer's Daughter during our discussion of bad courting practices and borderline pedophilia. Quite interesting.

I also wound up having a formal debate on videogame violence and its impact on people, which went very well. I later put an edited version of my A paper on the site I used to write for:
http://www.gamebunker.com/install/pages.php?id=71

All my pictures are gone, and some of the editing is wierd. Our editor got fired shortly after he fucked up our site because his girlfriend dumped him. What a bastard
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 01:04:48 AM
Dude, what kind of school do you go to?  When you go to music class, do they show Amadeus?  Inherit the Wind for any legal courses?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 01:09:43 AM
TVC, I'm pretty sure he's trolling.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 01:10:33 AM


That's my motherfucking point. I don't know whose mind you're trying to blow with your philosophers came before sociologists comment.
Seeing as how I used the  :-\ smiley face I wasn't really being serious. Nevertheless I do find it slightly ironic that your girlfriend dislikes philosophy when it gave rise to so many fields of study, from the natural sciences  to the social sciences she prefers. Many philosophical ideas are antiquated, but they are nevertheless part of our intellectual heritage. It is also very difficult to avoid philosophical ideas that are contained in fields like law, politics or ethics. So a blanket condemnation on philosophy seems unwarranted.
 
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:11:04 AM
Dude, what kind of school do you go to?  When you go to music class, do they show Amadeus?  Inherit the Wind for any legal courses?

It was a college I went to. Basically I had to take introductory Sociology and philosophy classes, so they were pretty easy. I did wind up taking a higher sociology class and it was even easier. The subject just comes natural to me, allowing me to bullshit through the class without studying and still get an A. Ah those were the days.

Soft sciences. Nothing more than GPA filling for any student with half a brain and basic reading skills.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 01:13:45 AM
Dude, what kind of school do you go to?  When you go to music class, do they show Amadeus?  Inherit the Wind for any legal courses?

It was a college I went to. Basically I had to take introductory Sociology and philosophy classes, so they were pretty easy. I did wind up taking a higher sociology class and it was even easier. The subject just comes natural to me, allowing me to bullshit through the class without studying and still get an A. Ah those were the days.

Soft sciences. Nothing more than GPA filling for any student with half a brain and basic reading skills.
US community colleges sound like a joke. The sociology and psychology courses I took at a Canadian equivalent of a US community college used regular university text books and we didn't spend class watching movies. 
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 01:19:11 AM


That's my motherfucking point. I don't know whose mind you're trying to blow with your philosophers came before sociologists comment.
Seeing as how I used the  :-\ smiley face I wasn't really being serious. Nevertheless I do find it slightly ironic that your girlfriend dislikes philosophy when it gave rise to so many fields of study, from the natural sciences  to the social sciences she prefers. Many philosophical ideas are antiquated, but they are nevertheless part of our intellectual heritage. It is also very difficult to avoid philosophical ideas that are contained in fields like law, politics or ethics. So a blanket condemnation on philosophy seems unwarranted.
 
You could argue the same way about math, but I don't like math, either.

I liked my environmental philosophy class. Intro made me want to kill someone.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 01:19:58 AM
what, did all the moral and social relativism piss you off?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 01:20:17 AM
Mupepe, teach these boys about Pimpology, and help them minor in Whattabitchwantsology.
I'm starting a class, registration starts tomorrow, bitches!
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 01:21:45 AM
what, did all the moral and social relativism piss you off?
Was this question directed at me?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 01:22:18 AM

US community colleges sound like a joke. The sociology and psychology courses I took at a Canadian equivalent of a US community college used regular university text books and we didn't spend class watching movies. 
Nah, his school just fucking sucks.  I started out at a community college and it wasn't anything like that.  That shit sounds horrendous.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 01:23:56 AM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:26:02 AM
Dude, what kind of school do you go to?  When you go to music class, do they show Amadeus?  Inherit the Wind for any legal courses?

It was a college I went to. Basically I had to take introductory Sociology and philosophy classes, so they were pretty easy. I did wind up taking a higher sociology class and it was even easier. The subject just comes natural to me, allowing me to bullshit through the class without studying and still get an A. Ah those were the days.

Soft sciences. Nothing more than GPA filling for any student with half a brain and basic reading skills.
US community colleges sound like a joke. The sociology and psychology courses I took at a Canadian equivalent of a US community college used regular university text books and we didn't spend class watching movies. 

I think the problem is not community colleges but more of a problem with sociology and philosophy. I found both subjects to be quite easy. They aren't called soft sciences for a reason you know. It's sort of like calling something "harmless death". Well it wouldn't be death if it wasn't harmless, therefore it's not death in the first place. Science is hard, not soft. But I suppose someone will respond by telling me how stupid my analogy is (it's pretty dumb). But you can correct all the analogies you want when you're stocking books at Borders I suppose.

I'm so glad I'm out of community college
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 01:27:11 AM
PD, you're treading your well-worn path into the Ignorance Zone (tm YOU) again.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:28:20 AM
PD, you're treading your well-worn path into the Ignorance Zone (tm YOU) again.

I was going good for a second there :-\
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2006, 01:29:09 AM
PD, I love you buddy.  But no, just no.  They're called soft sciences because of their content.  It has nothing to do with how complicated they are.  Your community college just sucked, buddy.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 01:29:30 AM
PD, you're treading your well-worn path into the Ignorance Zone (tm YOU) again.
Agreed. I think trying to read Kant or trying to do proofs in predicate logic is just a little more difficult than your business classes PD. Though philosophy is in the humanities and not the social sciences.

Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 01:30:51 AM
Dude, what kind of school do you go to?  When you go to music class, do they show Amadeus?  Inherit the Wind for any legal courses?

It was a college I went to. Basically I had to take introductory Sociology and philosophy classes, so they were pretty easy. I did wind up taking a higher sociology class and it was even easier. The subject just comes natural to me, allowing me to bullshit through the class without studying and still get an A. Ah those were the days.

Soft sciences. Nothing more than GPA filling for any student with half a brain and basic reading skills.
US community colleges sound like a joke. The sociology and psychology courses I took at a Canadian equivalent of a US community college used regular university text books and we didn't spend class watching movies. 

West coast CCs are usually pretty good. . .some of them are really good, but anywhere else in the country is a toss-up.

And, yeah, PD, read some Wittgenstein and tell me what's easy again.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:31:26 AM
PD, you're treading your well-worn path into the Ignorance Zone (tm YOU) again.
Agreed. I think trying to read Kant or trying to do proofs in predicate logic is just a little more difficult then your business classes PD.



I know. Can't I troll in peace?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2006, 01:32:24 AM
don't you have some alternate lifestyle coaching to provide flame of callandor in the gaming forum?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 01:33:53 AM
Dude, what kind of school do you go to?  When you go to music class, do they show Amadeus?  Inherit the Wind for any legal courses?

It was a college I went to. Basically I had to take introductory Sociology and philosophy classes, so they were pretty easy. I did wind up taking a higher sociology class and it was even easier. The subject just comes natural to me, allowing me to bullshit through the class without studying and still get an A. Ah those were the days.

Soft sciences. Nothing more than GPA filling for any student with half a brain and basic reading skills.
US community colleges sound like a joke. The sociology and psychology courses I took at a Canadian equivalent of a US community college used regular university text books and we didn't spend class watching movies. 

West coast CCs are usually pretty good. . .some of them are really good, but anywhere else in the country is a toss-up.

And, yeah, PD, read some Wittgenstein and tell me what's easy again.
Yeah the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus wasn't an easy read.
Oh yeah I'm taking philosophy of language, something you would like, next semester.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:35:28 AM
I'd rather have fun here.

Upper level Philosophy seems more tedius than "hard" to me. Give me a book and tell me to write a paper and I can do it, no matter what.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 01:35:50 AM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I never dropped it, it was a required course. I have no problem defending arguments or using abstract language, and I'm not a moron.

I hated it because my professor was an idiot who spent two class periods discussing whether the lights in the room were off or on. Because you know, how do we know what's on and what's off? Or better yet..

When you close the fridge door, does the light go off?
Yes. You can watch it as you close it or push the switch yourself.
How do you know it doesn't only go off when you're watching it or pressing the switch? How do you know it doesn't go off as it closes, then comes right back on?

My professor put a videocamera in his fridge to see if the light stayed off. Of course it did. But then, does it only stay off when you're watching it or when there's a video camera in the fridge?

I will owe an obscene amount of money in student loans when I graduate. I don't want to spend that money pondering whether the lights in the room are on or off, or debating about the light in my fridge.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: etiolate on December 14, 2006, 01:38:49 AM
I like philosophy, but I don't like all philosophers and I wouldn't do it as a major. 
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 01:39:02 AM
Was he discussing George Barkley at the time?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2006, 01:40:42 AM
I'd rather have fun here.

Upper level Philosophy seems more tedius than "hard" to me. Give me a book and tell me to write a paper and I can do it, no matter what.

Again, read some Wittgenstein and we'll talk.  I also doubt you'd be able to grok even Derrida without instruction.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 14, 2006, 01:45:42 AM
Was he discussing George Barkley at the time?

Asking me, I assume? I don't remember, it was over two years ago.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2006, 01:49:29 AM
I'd rather have fun here.

Upper level Philosophy seems more tedius than "hard" to me. Give me a book and tell me to write a paper and I can do it, no matter what.

Again, read some Wittgenstein and we'll talk.  I also doubt you'd be able to grok even Derrida without instruction.

I'd probably fall asleep and later fail the first test due to cramming. But once I see that wouldn't work I'd start doing my thing and get by.

If there's one problem I have with school it's gambling with myself. I expect so much of myself that it gives me an excuse to do less; so I might think I'm so prepared I don't need to study for a test, take it, and fail it. Then I have to dig myself out of the hole, which forces me to work harder. Basically I create stress on myself in order to ensure I put in full effort. Bah, not a great plan I know, but it works for me.

Tomorrow I have a law test and I've barely studied. Since our teacher told us we could use one handout he passed out on the test (as well as anything we write on it), I feel cocky.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Christopher on December 14, 2006, 02:19:24 AM
Logic & Reasoning was one of, if not THE easiest classes I've ever had.  It was boring as shit, but it was easy to understand, and made you think.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 02:26:56 AM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: rodi on December 14, 2006, 02:51:20 AM
I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?


Exactly why I hated my philosophy class. However, I did appreciate the parts when we discussed how to defend an argument or critically think about things. It was when we started discussing God and whether or not there were five or thirty people in the room that I just had enough. So don't bite my head off, Malek ... please?  :-\
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Loki on December 14, 2006, 03:03:12 AM
I liked it enough to minor in it (along with chemistry and biology), and ended up with about 30 credits worth of courses.  I enjoy ethical and political philosophy the most.  Epistemology is interesting, as is some metaphysics (depends on the philosopher), but for the most part I prefer philosophy that has concrete applications/analogues.  Philosophy of science (positivism, realism/instrumentalism/constructive empiricism, IBE etc.), which I took a course in, is very interesting as well.

I used to read a good deal of philosophy in my spare time, too.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Loki on December 14, 2006, 03:06:34 AM
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte.

Didn't Comte also start the ball rolling with positivism, or do I have my philosophers mixed up?  I didn't know he created sociology.

Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2006, 10:39:56 AM
Sociology was created by a philosopher named August Comte.

Didn't Comte also start the ball rolling with positivism, or do I have my philosophers mixed up?  I didn't know he created sociology.


Yeah he created positivism as well. I believed he originally called sociology something like social physics.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2006, 10:43:51 AM
I thought that sociology was a really interesting course. Ditto to Philosophy.

Psychology is really interesting too.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Loki on December 14, 2006, 10:44:05 AM

Yeah he created positivism as well. I believed he originally called sociology something like social physics.

Ah, I see.  I've heard of "social physics" (probably in my sociology or social psychology course), but not that he created it -- or maybe that was the part where I dozed off. :P
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: GilloD on December 14, 2006, 11:13:52 AM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Christopher on December 14, 2006, 01:47:29 PM
..and here I thought Mupepe was cool. My heart is broked.

If a fat girl falls in the forest, do the trees laugh? :lol
I am cool!  We won't talk about philosophy if you want  *mwah*

Fat girls don't walk in the woods anyways.  They wait til it's paved and they can take a taxi there.

omg haha :heart Mupepe that's the funniest shit I've read in awhile.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 03:50:42 PM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.

It is when I'm asked to restate Joe Blow's view on something for a test. I certainly can't go saying Pascal was an Evidentialist on my final if I have any plans to get a good grade.

And as such, I finished my final today, where I had to basically do just that.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: GilloD on December 14, 2006, 03:53:47 PM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.

It is when I'm asked to restate Joe Blow's view on something for a test. I certainly can't go saying Pascal was an Evidentialist on my final if I have any plans to get a good grade.

And as such, I finished my final today, where I had to basically do just that.

That's just sloppyteaching. Please don't besmirch our fine discipline because some professors are teh ballz.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: Ecrofirt on December 14, 2006, 04:00:54 PM
no, at nikki. The people that used to drop Intro to Philosophy courses either A) hated all the abstract language and high-falutin' terms -- or the insistence that you, y'know, DEFEND your arguments; or B) were actively distressed and angered by the notion of moral relativism when it came up.

I hate Intro to Philosophy because I don't give a flying fuck what some dead guy from the middle ages thought about things.

I've had classes devoted specifically to critical thinking, and I've had Logic classes for math. I can develop my own arguments for things, and I can think critically about the world around me. If the class was more about those skills, I'd be all for it.

As it stands, it's nothing more than a memorization fuckfest for guys like Descartes, Pascal, Clifford, and so on. I don't see any value at all in having to know exactly who thought what, and exactly what things like the fucking problem of evil are. What the motherfuck do I really care if some other schmucks do or don't believe in God?

Is there a better illustration of the educational divide than the above post? Ecro, it's not about memorizing the text, it's about knowing the argument and how to apply that argument to other situations. It's not a multiple choice problem with one correct answer.

It is when I'm asked to restate Joe Blow's view on something for a test. I certainly can't go saying Pascal was an Evidentialist on my final if I have any plans to get a good grade.

And as such, I finished my final today, where I had to basically do just that.

That's just sloppyteaching. Please don't besmirch our fine discipline because some professors are teh ballz.

I have no problem with this so long as you don't go and suggest what I do and don't know about my classes. I've already stated I have no problems with the concept of philosophy. Thinking critically about things  to help form valid opinions and such is great. I'm all for that.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 14, 2006, 04:15:45 PM
Philosophy is the most baseless bullshit that they teach in universities.  I would honestly rate it as worse than film classes because people take it just for credits.  If somebody cared, they'd research (or holy fuck, make their own opinion) but no, universities want to feel all open-minded and make a lot of people take it.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 15, 2006, 01:53:34 AM
I like how malek hasn't said anything to you yet after that comment, lol.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 15, 2006, 04:22:16 AM
I forgot that, I thought he was a history major.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 15, 2006, 04:27:16 AM
Did you not see the rest of this thread? :lol
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 15, 2006, 04:33:20 AM
Well I mean I read some of it, I read the end of the thread to see what it sounds like, and I remembered Malek argueing against philosophy a long time ago and Drinky and TVC argueing for it and assumed this was going to be the same thing, and I REALLY hate philosophy arguments so I just said a very frank opinion to piss everybody off.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: xnikki118x on December 15, 2006, 04:35:28 AM
That's actually quite hilarious and I commend you. Also funny because Malek was arguing for philosophy in this thread.
Title: Re: college students: does anyone actually LIKE philosophy?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 15, 2006, 04:49:44 AM
I just read the first couple posts of his where he said it's good except for the post-modernism part, I knew somebody's going to agree or disagree with him too much so I just said that opinion.