THE BORE
General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Hollywood on November 12, 2009, 06:35:49 PM
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PlayStation 2 117.8K
PlayStation 3 320.6K
PSP 174.6K
Xbox 360 249.7K
Wii 506.9K
Nintendo DS 457.6K
UNCHARTED 2: AMONG THIEVES (PS3; Oct-09) 537,000
WII FIT PLUS* (WII; Oct-09) 441,000
BORDERLANDS (360; Oct-09) 418,000
WII SPORTS RESORT* (WII; Jul-09) 314,000
NBA 2K10* (360; Oct-09) 311,000
HALO 3: ODST (360; Sep-09) 271,000
NBA 2K10* (PS3; Oct-09) 213,000
FORZA MOTORSPORT 3 (360; Oct-09) 175,000
KINGDOM HEARTS 358/2 DAYS (NDS; Sep-09) 169,000
FIFA SOCCER 10 (360; Oct-09) 156,000
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Uncharted 2 takes the top spot? :drake
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damn, U2's a hit. well deserved
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DJ Hero bombed. :)
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Wow @ Borderlands number.
I thought it was just going to be a niche title. 80% of Uncharted 2's sales for 30% of the development costs is pretty awesome.
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pspgo :rofl :rofl :rofl
at this rate the ps3 will catch up to the 360 when we're on the 1440 :lol
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Good for Uncharted and (360) Borderlands.
Wii back on top :gloomy
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For once I'm glad to be wrong. Good numbers U2. Sony did whatever they did and got people who didn't buy the original to jump in here. Good show.
If it's like the other Sony 1st parties like Resistance, Uncharted 1 & Infamous it'll probably have legs and sell a few million with that start.
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And Borderlands did excellent. With PS3/X360/PC sales combined it probably sold more than U2 and was the #1 selling game in a very competitive month. Sequel will be coming for sure.
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lol brutal bomba
shit game got the sales it deserves
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Where's Brutal Legend btw? total bombage
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pspgo :rofl :rofl :rofl
at this rate the ps3 will catch up to the 360 when we're on the 1440 :lol
Where are the PSP GO numbers?
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Forza 3 outsold by Gran Turismo prologue.
only 5 days for forza 3?
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BL - We knew it would bomb like Psychonauts, but man EA must have pumped a ridiculous amount of money into the game between the soundtrack and the marketing. In fact I think this is a very bad thing regardless of the game quality because like ME and Dead Space it's another "EA was stupid to spend money on original titles" statement. You can only have EA getting smacked in the head with common sense for so long before they're gonna be forced to make generic sequels forever and never fund original games again. :(
Forza 3 outsold by Gran Turismo prologue.
Was Forza ever a big seller? I don't think the series has ever really taken off. I guess MS just likes having a strong sim racer so they don't feel lacking compared to Sony with GT.
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"FYI, Brutal Legend sold 215.4K across PS3 and Xbox 360 versions."
:lol BOMBA
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YES FUCK OFF SCHAFER YES
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:lol I love the Forza 3 hate
"lol bomba" "wont chart next month either" "had at least 3 to 4 days"
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i dont think we will see many new game announcements for psp (at least in the west) next year or every again unless sony pulls a miracle outta their ass.
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lol @ music games too HEY WHERES DJ HERO
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Wait
Where is Tekken & Ratchet
lolololol @ Tekken especially since it's on the superior selling X360 platform. Too bad the home version ports suck!
Oh shit, I just noticed BL didn't chart. I feel really bad for EA, they got tricked into publishing video game POISON (in the sense that double fine games never sell).
Not just publishing it. Licensing 107 or 108 songs from big bands. That must have been sooooo $$$$ They were crazy to do that part in the first place. I haven't played the game yet but I dunno why it needed 100+ licensed songs.
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armchair analysts trying to predict the industry off 10 titles with units only is hilarious
"mario & sonic didn't chart for month one so Sega/Sammy is doomed"
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Oh shit, I just noticed BL didn't chart. I feel really bad for EA, they got tricked into publishing video game POISON (in the sense that double fine games never sell).
You do realize that BL is the second game Doublefine has made, right? So while it was a gamble, they weren't "tricked", as there wasn't a pattern yet. And Psychonauts sold pretty well, ultimately. It "bombing" is overblown.
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bububububu LBP and K2 only had 8 minutes to chart
LOL FORZA SELLS 175k in a month.
fascinating stuff
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so it wont make the top 10 but will probably sell more units.
WOW WHAT A FAILURE
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but gran torisma sucks too.
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:piss Tim Schafer :piss2
Who gives a fuck about the rest, except for the sure to be loltastic PSP Go numbers.
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bububububu LBP and K2 only had 8 minutes to chart
LOL FORZA SELLS 175k in a month.
fascinating stuff
Forza, Tekken, Ratchet all had opening week to sell on here assuming it covered to through the 31st. That includes all the pre-orders, 1st dayers, and 1st weekenders (well not counting sunday).
At least Forza charted! Tekken & Ratchet are probably dead. Ratchet will sell over time, Tekken is just dead. Fighting games are dead on consoles. Blazblue bombed as well IIRC. KoFXII even worse. With Tekken they wait 2 years to bring out T6 and they sell like 300k worldwide if they're lucky. Reason why we don't have VF5R :(
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Don't remind me of VF5R, Bebpo. Just don't. You'll break my heart.
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Where's Oscar. I want - I mean, humbly request - the numbers for that game I asked about.
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Brutal Legend :'(
I hate all you ingrates. :'(
... I am happy about Borderlands. Awesome game.
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I'm happy about Borderlands only because it means I can wait until Borderlands 2 when the game has more depth and customization :D
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Borderlands is awesome though. Why deprive yourself. It just means you get MORE when the sequel come out
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Borderlands is awesome though. Why deprive yourself. It just means you get MORE when the sequel come out
More = better = I can wait!
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I expected Uncharted 2 to get a better start, a la GoWII versus I. No surprises, really. New franchise, probably sold well enough as a bargain bin title, might have had quite a few rentals. Those hesitant late comers became early adopters the second time around.
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Namco is trying their very best to slaughter their marquee arcade franchises. They killed off Ridge Racer, probably killed off Soul Calibur, and now they've flatlined Tekken except for the arcade.
I suppose that means more Tales games :-\
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Brutal Legend :'(
I hate all you ingrates. :'(
... I am happy about Borderlands. Awesome game.
Sorry Wilco, Brutal Legend sucked.
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Borderlands is awesome though. Why deprive yourself. It just means you get MORE when the sequel come out
More = better = I can wait!
That's clearly not what I mean. That is like saying. Why would I play Final Fantasy 4 when I could just wait for 6.
You are clearly brainwashed man.
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I'm happy about Borderlands only because it means I can wait until Borderlands 2 when the game has more depth and customization
But Borderlands 3 will be even better, so you should wait for that instead.
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UNCHARTED 2: AMONG THIEVES (PS3; Oct-09) 537,000
:american
WII FIT PLUS* (WII; Oct-09) 441,000
:usacry
Apparently PS3 owners don't like loot shooters. Filthy peasants.
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I think Borderlands' legs is are going to get prematurely clipped by MW2. :(
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The original Uncharted started at 200k, by the way.
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I think Borderlands' legs is are going to get prematurely clipped by MW2. :(
Next month will be
1. Modern Warfare 2 (Xbox 360): 17 million
2. New Super Mario Bros a: a number less than 17 million
3. Modern Warfare 2 (Playstation 3): 3 dozen
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This will be the last month the PS3 charts ahead of the Xbox 360 until God of War 3.
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Namco is trying their very best to slaughter their marquee arcade franchises. They killed off Ridge Racer, probably killed off Soul Calibur, and now they've flatlined Tekken except for the arcade.
I suppose that means more Tales games :-\
Maybe people are just bored of them? I haven't heard anything much bad about the actual games (other than online lag for Tekken).
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What's the deal with "loot?"
(http://www.anthonypegram.com/images/seinfeld.jpg)
Hey, look, another rusty longsword. Let me put that with the three I picked up off that orc a minute ago and the other, uh, 78 I've acquired today.
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This will be the last month the PS3 charts ahead of the Xbox 360 until God of War 3.
Probably. Unless PS3 takes off as during the x-mas shopping season due to the lower priced slim model. With 0 exclusives that's about their only chance to stay competitive until March.
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The original Uncharted started at 200k, by the way.
Are you sure? I remember it doing something around 125k.
PlayStation 3 may be commonly pinned as a Blu-ray platform, but that doesn't mean those owners aren't interested in actually playing games; the 444,000 copies of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare sold on PS3 last month are a testament to this. In arguably the month's biggest disappointment, Naughty Dog's PS3 debut, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, not only failed to show up in the top ten software sales for November, but only managed 117,000 sales, according to the NPD Group, during the two weeks it was available last month.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165041
200k was its second month then.
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Any numbers for Demons' Souls leaked?
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I think Borderlands' legs is are going to get prematurely clipped by MW2. :(
You didnt notice all the other publishers delaying their games?
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someone give me borderlands on steam
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This will be the last month the PS3 charts ahead of the Xbox 360 until God of War 3.
Probably. Unless PS3 takes off as during the x-mas shopping season due to the lower priced slim model. With 0 exclusives that's about their only chance to stay competitive until March.
Not going to happen with Modern Warfare Xbox 360 SKU and the $199 model. Between Halo 3 ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Left 4 Dead 2 and other third-party gems, I think Microsoft has this holiday season wrapped up.
Could be a different ballgame next year. I don't think Microsoft can rely solely on Sony to fuck their shit up every quarter.
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Microsoft banned all the pirated 360s, so that they flood the used console market, scaring people from buying used.
That way the banned people buy new 360s and the used-buyers have to buy new, too.
It's their secret weapon on top of the RROD.
They'll be back on top in November!
(The rest of the year is barren. AC2, Lego IJ2, God of War Collection and that's about it)
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Not going to happen with Modern Warfare Xbox 360 SKU and the $199 model. Between Halo 3 ODST, Modern Warfare 2, Left 4 Dead 2 and other third-party gems, I think Microsoft has this holiday season wrapped up.
I don't think sequel, sequel, sequel is quite the recipe for new adoption that you think it is (and ODST has already run its course). I think PS3 will remain competitive, although the Arcade SKU should certainly do well with the holiday shopper.
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I don't think sequel, sequel, sequel is quite the recipe for new adoption that you think it is (and ODST has already run its course). I think PS3 will remain competitive, although the Arcade SKU should certainly do well with the holiday shopper.
You can think that, but you're wrong. ODST still sold 250,000+ units. It will do very well this holiday season.
I'm not discounting the PS3, but this is what sells.
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Here's the hardware numbers from October 2008, for reference:
* Wii - 803,000
* Nintendo DS - 491,000
* Xbox 360 - 371,000
* PlayStation 3 - 190,000
* PSP - 193,000
* PlayStation 2 - 136,000
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Here's the hardware numbers from October 2008, for reference:
* Wii - 803,000
* Nintendo DS - 491,000
* Xbox 360 - 371,000
* PlayStation 3 - 190,000
* PSP - 193,000
* PlayStation 2 - 136,000
That's quite the drop for 360. It was 366K in 2007, as well. The lowest October on record was 2006 (218K), and the 360 only rebounded to sell 511K in November and then 1.1 million in December. (Those Nov-Dec numbers easily exceed what PS3 has been able to do in any year).
This year with a more competitive PS3 price, a flat price on the Arcade 360 and a price drop on the Elite that apparently has gone largely unnoticed, I think PS3 can hang in there.
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PS3 continues to barely out-preform the 360. Good luck keeping that up with no games non-ps3 owners care about
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Yeaaaah Borderlands. Considering when it launched it did pretty damn good.
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PS3 continues to barely out-preform the 360. Good luck keeping that up with no games non-ps3 owners care about
You're talking like there are any X360 games non-X360 owners care about coming soon. I think the only 2 exclusives are L4D2 and ME2 for the rest of the year and first few months of 2010. PS3 has GoWIII. Considering that both L4D2 and ME2 have superior PC versions, I'd say it's a pretty even and empty field of exclusives for the next 6 months.
What exclusives are even announced for 2010 past march? GT5 & Halo Reach are all I can think of; both will move a ton of units/systems.
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Yeah 360 hasnt had a big exclusive game in ages it seems.
ODST & U2, Forza & Ratchet were the exclusives for fall.
GTA Liberty Stories too. That could move some units next NPD. Lots of PS3 GTA4 buyers picking it up.
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It is kind of sad that there are probably about 6 exclusive games for each system per year. If there's going to be so few it definitely makes a case for asking why are there two systems that do the exact same thing.
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What exclusives are even announced for 2010 past march? GT5 & Halo Reach are all I can think of; both will move a ton of units/systems.
Last Guardian and Allan Wake?
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What exclusives are even announced for 2010 past march? GT5 & Halo Reach are all I can think of; both will move a ton of units/systems.
Alan Wake, Crackdown 2
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Uh, what? GTA4 dlc isn't on ps3?
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I know. But Bebpo said ps3 gta fans are getting GTA4 Liberty City retail thing.
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I know. But Bebpo said ps3 gta fans are getting GTA4 Liberty City retail thing.
The L&D and BoGT disc doesn't require you to own GTA4.
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I didn't know it was on ps3? I thought it was only on 360?
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I didn't know it was on ps3? I thought it was only on 360?
It's not. But, if you also own a 360 you can play the DLC without having to rebuy GTAIV.
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Ah.
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From gaf...
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It doesn't even make sense!
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:lol
Add Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and Infinite Undiscovery
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:lol at the chalkboard of failure
:o at Borderlands sales
:rock at DJ Hero bombing
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From gaf...
Quoted for new page. :lol
Oh yea, Borderlands "sent to die". tsk tsk Pachter.
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Twitter/Facebook :lol
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That picture would be all kinds of funny if you knew it wasn't a PS3 guy who made it. The points ring true to an extent, but come on.
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That picture would be all kinds of funny if you knew it wasn't a PS3 guy who made it. The points ring true to an extent, but come on.
picture was originally for ps3.
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Well then.
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360 is done
Sure, with half of the top 10 the console is clearly done for. DUR HUR HUR. How were pc sales?
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That picture would be all kinds of funny if you knew it wasn't a PS3 guy who made it. The points ring true to an extent, but come on.
exaclty. it's not like PS3 where everyone said "wait till XXXXXX". xfags were too busy playing games
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It's nice to see the PS3 higher. If anything, it should signal to MS, the Elite price cut was an insult and didn't affect sales at all.
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Wait, why are people shit talking Forza and saying Ratchet will do better next month?
do you really need to ask why? it's obvious
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Wait, why are people shit talking Forza and saying Ratchet will do better next month? They came out on the same day and one of them is already in the top ten (I suspect the other is around the 12-15 mark).
One of them is seen as the competition to the grandest racing game of all time, but with a fraction of the recognition.
The other is another from the same-game-ps-game-churning-factory known as Insomniac.
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does EA's NBA game always completely bite pavement in comparison to NBA2K, or that a new thing this year?
And Brutal Legend might not be an out-and-out smash, but its probably far from a bomb either. If nothing else, it looks like a safe bet to outsell Mirror's Edge, and I'd wager it did it on a smaller budget (smaller team, and was halfway done when EA picked it up).
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If nothing else, it looks like a safe bet to outsell Mirror's Edge
fuck you :maf
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That picture would be all kinds of funny if you knew it wasn't a PS3 guy who made it. The points ring true to an extent, but come on.
picture was originally for ps3.
Do you have the original PS3 one?
quick googling:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29vlzbq&s=5
http://media.photobucket.com/image/ps3%20wait%20for%20chalkboard/Deathcloak/PS3chalkboard.png
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Wii is back on top, :piss HD
PS3 slim effect is getting slimmer and slimmer,time for Sony to think about super Slim.
Software sucks*,no wonder PS3 exclusive is on top,but hey now UC2 has a chance to climb to one million...maybe.
Any leaks?NPD is boring without them
*except Borderlands
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Non top 10 games numbers:
BRUTAL LEGEND (360) 150,000
BORDERLANDS (PS3) 113,000
DEMONS SOULS (PS3) >100k
BRUTAL LEGEND (PS3) 66,000
DJ HERO (360) 62,000
DJ HERO (PS3) 39,000
DJ HERO (WII) 19,000
TEKKEN 6 (PS3) >100k
RATCHET AND CLANK (PS3) ~100k
TEKKEN 6 (360) <100k
BORDERLANDS (PC) 15,000
GTA CHINATOWN WARS (PSP) <10k
A BOY AND HIS BLOB (WII) <10k (less than GTA)
DJ HERO (PS2) 3,300
a boy and his blob :rofl
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Man I feel like shit cause I bought Boy and his Blob.
Fuck my life
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Do the PC numbers for Borderlands reflect Steam and other digital distribution methods? I would imagine that it did far more than that just on Steam alone.
Anyway, :bow Borderlands :bow2 can't wait for the Zombie Island of Dr. Ned or whatever.
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Man I feel like shit cause I bought Boy and his Blob.
Fuck my life
Well, it did outsell DJ Hero... on the PS2.
:lol
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That's like 600k+ of Borderlands in less than 2 weeks. SEQUEL AHOY! Hopefully they'll still keep the dlc for the first one coming for a bit...
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That's like 600k+ of Borderlands in less than 2 weeks. SEQUEL AHOY! Hopefully they'll still keep the dlc for the first one coming for a bit...
Umm... RANDY MOTHERFUCKING PITCHFORD already said in an interview this week that Borderlands sequel is "a no-brainer". So there you go.
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Demon's Souls did pretty well I guess, for such a niche game. Faith in gaming +1
I wasn't even aware there was a PS2 version of DJ Hero. :lol
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Borderlands MMO please.
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SHOCKING MEGATON!!11!
At GameStop this morning, I saw six people buy Brutal Legend, and only one person buy Uncharted 2. The game is so awesome that after seeing me pick up a copy, my brother also ran out and purchased a copy.
I think it's safe to say, considering this mountain of anecdotal evidence, that nobody likes Uncharted 2 and Brutal Legend is game of the fucking century!
lulz
lol
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My grandmother used to say:
"Borys, never trust Jews!"
Fixed for what your grandmother really said.
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EA died for your niche games.
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GTA on PSP did pretty shit, I mean its noway nere the other GTA's on PSP.
It's not even close to the DS version either, which did 90k in its first month.
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according to the gaf thread, Tekken 6 shipped 2.5 million copies. :rofl wtf!
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smh Activision. The game is a great entry to the music/rhythm genre and you ruin it by giving it an absolutely ridiculous price tag. Oh and the complete lack of marketing also guaranteed it's terrible sales. I guess cumulative sales of over 100k isn't bad. Hopefully it's a slow burn.
I think they are really pushing it though. I have seen tons of commercials for it. Two different ones, even. There's one with Daft Punk, and one with JayZ/Eminem.
It's the price.
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Yeah, the only gaming ads I'm even seeing are DJ Hero and Sony ads.
On that note, I think the ads from Sony since the $299 drop have been excellent.
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Do the PC numbers for Borderlands reflect Steam and other digital distribution methods? I would imagine that it did far more than that just on Steam alone.
Anyway, :bow Borderlands :bow2 can't wait for the Zombie Island of Dr. Ned or whatever.
Borderlands also released a week later on the PC, so that could have affected it as well.
I'm almost more excited to see if other companies wil make more loot games with different core mechanics.
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Do the PC numbers for Borderlands reflect Steam and other digital distribution methods? I would imagine that it did far more than that just on Steam alone.
Anyway, :bow Borderlands :bow2 can't wait for the Zombie Island of Dr. Ned or whatever.
Borderlands also released a week later on the PC, so that could have affected it as well.
12 days for the console version, 6 for the PC version.
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My only comment about this month's NPD's is that it shows as usual the "death" of the Wii was greatly exaggerated. Next month is when things really kick off though as both hardware and software sales explode for Nov and Dec.
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My only comment about this month's NPD's is that it shows as usual the "death" of the Wii was greatly exaggerated. Next month is when things really kick off though as both hardware and software sales explode for Nov and Dec.
While certainly not dead and by all mean far more healthy than either Xbox 360 or PS3, it does further highlight the fall from the peak. Again, I know that both Sony and Microsoft would kill to get 500K in October, but Nintendo got 800K last year, and dropped the price by $50 this year at the end of September.
In the world of business, it is often not how well you're doing, but how well you're doing versus prior results. And versus prior performance, the Wii is off.
But still... domination.
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UC2 looks like it got a huge boost from the B2G1 free sales going on in October at TRU. I think the Best Buy sale was during the November NPD, interesting to see the sales for those games during November. I got UC2 during the BB sale along with demon Souls. Demon's Souls sale is pretty high for a low key Atlus title.
Didn't Atlus state that stores ran out of stock and that they were working to get mroe in stores. Seems like it did better then Atlus imagined.
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DJ hero is expensive and only appeals to a very very thin segment of the population.
I've seen a lot of interest in it, however the price tag is just instantly upsetting.
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DJ hero is expensive and only appeals to a very very thin segment of the population.
I've seen a lot of interest in it, however the price tag is just instantly upsetting.
DJ Hero is really fun, but I'm not putting down $120 for a copy of my own.
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DJ Hero should be $80-90.
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DJ Hero sucks man.
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I think this year will be a big drop in software sales and hardware sales. Except maybe PS3 but that is due to the "you can't go anywhere but up" situation it had up until the price drop.
Just an out of my ass guess but those 360 sales are pathetic and surprise, surprise, the PS3 momentum is quickly losing steam.
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Wow Demon's Souls did pretty well. Shows what abandoning Prole panty bait art for JRPGs can do.
Or good word of mouth and a 90%+ review average :P
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Wow Demon's Souls did pretty well. Shows what abandoning Prole panty bait art for JRPGs can do.
ar tonelico 3 sales will make you eat those words
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Where's Dead Space Extraction for the Wii? Seems like it flopped into oblivion.
And no wonder people call Forza "Flopza". MS really needs to shit out less Forza games. There have been like three Forza games since the GT4 release. And all those Forza game combined haven't even outsold GT1.
MS needs to polish the games more before they release it.
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To be fair, boom blox 2 sold twice as much in its second month as it did it in the first. So Extraction might be up to 27k!
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according to the gaf thread, Tekken 6 shipped 2.5 million copies. :rofl wtf!
Shipped right to the fucking dumpster, hopefully.
Where's Dead Space Extraction for the Wii? Seems like it flopped into oblivion.
And no wonder people call Forza "Flopza". MS really needs to shit out less Forza games. There have been like three Forza games since the GT4 release. And all those Forza game combined haven't even outsold GT1.
MS needs to polish the games more before they release it.
Dead Space Wii sold 9k copies it's first month. Another prime example of why the wii shouldn't have good games.
Dead Space Wii was actually a good game? I have no problem with buying a good Wii game, but there was no way I was going to buy a dumbed down port. If companies actually made legit games, I'm sure they'd sell better.
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And no wonder people call Forza "Flopza". MS really needs to shit out less Forza games. There have been like three Forza games since the GT4 release. And all those Forza game combined haven't even outsold GT1.
MS needs to polish the games more before they release it.
Your "opinion" is shit.
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Your "opinion" is shit.
Not as shitty as Forza's sales.
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If Forza 3 was a PS3 exclusive it'd be in the top 5 first month sales.
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Your "opinion" is shit.
Not as shitty as Forza's sales.
But as shitty as your logic. You are conflating quality with sales which is not the simple equation in your mind that you think it is.
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Wow Demon's Souls did pretty well. Shows what abandoning Prole panty bait art for JRPGs can do.
Or good word of mouth and a 90%+ review average :P
That helps, but not as much what cohen suggested.
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Gamers ain't too interested in games that ritually embarrass the gamer everytime he or she plays. This is something that I keep in mind when Bayonetta will tank - gamers are about as interested in playing as awkwardly moving cheeseburgers as they are moe lolis.
Forza 3's opening sucked though. This was a bad month for the 360. Not sure why it isn't bringing in the numbers it used to because it isn't like PS3 is siphoning them away, save for a few thousand.
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Gamers ain't too interested in games that ritually embarrass the gamer everytime he or she plays. This is something that I keep in mind when Bayonetta will tank - gamers are about as interested in playing as awkwardly moving cheeseburgers as they are moe lolis.
Forza 3's opening sucked though. This was a bad month for the 360. Not sure why it isn't bringing in the numbers it used to because it isn't like PS3 is siphoning them away, save for a few thousand.
Guitar Hero disproves that theory. Nobody can dispute that you look like a fool jamming out some Dragonforce tune on a toy that has five large plastic frets and an imaginary string. The entire music game genre has went to shit sales wise, but that is more of an issue of oversaturation and plastic toy guitars no longer being a new novelty.
I think Bayonetta will attract a large weeaboo audience. It will probably make the top 10 the month it comes out and never be heard from again.
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guitar hero embarrassment is different from "Uguu~ kawaii desu ne! ^____^;;;!!!" embarrassment.
plus, the U.S. was already softened up by DDR for years before GH got big.
I don't know if Bayonetta will chart. I forget if games in January do well or not, considering it's right after holidays.
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Bayonetta comes out in the first week of January so it will have an entire month to itself, and the only other major release that month is Mass Effect 2. I can see Bayonetta lingering around the 9th or 10th place position in January's NPD then falling off the face of the earth.
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platinum/clover is pretty cursed, doomed to never have another big hit again, yet always get critical acclaim.
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Have they ever had a big hit game? Didn't Okami and Mad World bomb pretty hard?
Also, looking here (http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_February_2008), Devil May Cry 4 did pretty well. I know that DMC is an established franchise, but if Sega pushes Bayonetta as the spiritual successor to DMC then it should achieve moderate success.
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Have they ever had a big hit game? Didn't Okami and Mad World bomb pretty hard?
Also, looking here (http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_February_2008), Devil May Cry 4 did pretty well. I know that DMC is an established franchise, but if Sega pushes Bayonetta as the spiritual successor to DMC then it should achieve moderate success.
I guess I mean the guys in Platinum/Clover...namely Kamiya and Mikami. they'll probably never surpass RE/DMC. I guess that's the problem with Bayonetta...I don't know if Sega can even say "From the makers of RE and DMC" or anything like that. So that leaves it for the niche gamers like us to figure out while the rest of the world just sees a cheeseburger witch.
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they'll probably never surpass RE/DMC.
I'm assuming that you mean in sales because Bayonetta looks and plays better than the DMC games.
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(http://www.gamasutra.com/images/npd-top-20-software-oct-2009.png)
So Demon's Souls sold between 150,000 and 156,000 copies. Nice for a game with zero advertising outside hardcore nerd sites.
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they'll probably never surpass RE/DMC.
I'm assuming that you mean in sales because Bayonetta looks and plays better than the DMC games.
sales, of course.
daaaamn @ demon's souls. is this atlus' biggest hit so far?
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they'll probably never surpass RE/DMC.
I'm assuming that you mean in sales because Bayonetta looks and plays better than the DMC games.
sales, of course.
daaaamn @ demon's souls. is this atlus' biggest hit so far?
I'm pretty sure that both Persona 3 & 4 sold pretty darn well. Also, Disgaea.
edit- nvm, apparently P4 lifetime NA sales are just around 110k. Huh.
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Jesus Fucking Christ. Brutal Legend beaten by an Atlus game? Why was Double Fine able to secure AAA publishing, again? Did EA do it thinking it would sell great so they could rub it in Activisions face?
some idiot at EA translated fawning psychonauts/Schafer love on the internet into sales.
I have a feeling Double Fine would make a much better XBLA/PSN dev.
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Look at all them 3rd party Wii titles tearing up the ch... oh, nevermind.
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I wonder what Brutal Legends dev costs were. Jack Black+rock seemed like a good combo, with all this interest in music games.
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Cancel that nevermind, wikipedia has old sales data.
Persona 3 FES has done about 350k lifetime, and Persona 4 did more than 600k apparently.
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I wonder what Brutal Legends dev costs were. Jack Black+rock seemed like a good combo, with all this interest in music games.
About that "interest in music games." I wonder if the game would've sold better if it was released on time instead of being delayed due to Activision dropping the title after purchasing Sierra. Music games have lost a lot of their appeal with the masses.
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Why are people acting like over 150k is a bomb for Brutal Legend? For the advertising, sure, but for a niche game? That's pretty decent. Not all games have to sell millions. That doesn't make them bombs.
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I wonder what Brutal Legends dev costs were. Jack Black+rock seemed like a good combo, with all this interest in music games.
would've been culturally relevant a couple years ago.
Cancel that nevermind, wikipedia has old sales data.
Persona 3 FES has done about 350k lifetime, and Persona 4 did more than 600k apparently.
that can't be NA alone?!
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Brutal Legend tanked because nobody gives a fuck about Jack Black these days. 5 years ago, this game might have done a bit better, around the time School of Rock came out. Also, just because it has a lot of homages to metal doesn't mean people want to play an RTS game. It is a Tim Schafer game, where his stuff is vastly overrated and appeals to a very vocal niche. Publishers in the past have incorrectly assumed that internet hype from vocal minorities = gangbuster sales.
It'll probably do 500,000. Not that bad but EA can't be too happy. Time for Timmy to find some other unsuspecting publisher to sucker.
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Brutal Legend probably cost a ton to make. Licensing over 100 songs, hiring big name voice talent and a large advertising campaign doesn't come cheap. EA is already in some deep shit with their substantial losses and failure to have any new IP become a breakout hit. Things are probably going to get worse for them.
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What's weird about all this Demon Souls talk is I could have sworn it came out in September around the time ODST did?
*edit nm, 10/6
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Tim Schafer should do 2d adventure games. That flash game for the awards show was a lot of fun and probably cost 1k to make. I'm sure he could do a full on adventure game for 1/100th the price of Brutal Legend dev costs and it'd sell at least half of what BL did if not sell just as much.
...or he could go work with Telltale. They need better writers and a combination work with Schafer's creativity and humor along with their engine and programming would make a very profitable and enjoyable episodic adventure series.
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Maybe. I was thinking primarily of Dead Space and Mirror's Edge which did "ok" and "flop" respectively. Regardless, EA has to have some of the worst and bloated management in the business world considering that their sports titles sell multimillion copies and they still bleed money.
I think that Activision is the scum of the industry, but Bobby knows how to run a ship.
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Wasn't Army of Two a huge hit for them? I seem to recall it doing 1.1 million it's first month. But yeah, other then that EA can't catch a break even with great ips like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge.
Lesson of the day.
GAR USA USA shoot the foreign people with guns! games = $$$
:'(
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Those metal songs are probably pretty cheap to license. Same goes for the voice talents, except maybe Jack Black but he couldn't have been that expensive.
As for Bebpo, I'd rather shoot a bunch of brownskins in a game than play overrated Tim Schafer shit. FPS games do pretty well because of the detail involved. Moe loli animu JRPGs have been spinning its wheels since the tail end of the PS One era and games like Xenosaga put the nails in the genre's coffin. Street Fighter IV did well - pushing out a Tekken with janky online play was a bad idea.
Don't blame the FPS and WRPG developers for being one of the few to put out games that are worth a fuck these days. Most J-developers have been fumbling to pick up the ball they dropped this generation. Except Capcom.
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Maybe. I was thinking primarily of Dead Space and Mirror's Edge which did "ok" and "flop" respectively. Regardless, EA has to have some of the worst and bloated management in the business world considering that their sports titles sell multimillion copies and they still bleed money.
I think that Activision is the scum of the industry, but Bobby knows how to run a ship.
How is Mirror's Edge a flop if it sold over a mil?
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Ah, didn't know that. Heads will roll if the sequel gets canceled. :maf
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Why are people acting like over 150k is a bomb for Brutal Legend? For the advertising, sure, but for a niche game? That's pretty decent. Not all games have to sell millions. That doesn't make them bombs.
For the last fucking time, BL is -not- a niche game.
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I wonder if EA will go back to putting out less games with more mainstream appeal and less originality next gen. They're getting fucked over left and right it seems...they just cut a gajillion projects and teams.
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Have they ever had a big hit game? Didn't Okami and Mad World bomb pretty hard?
Also, looking here (http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_February_2008), Devil May Cry 4 did pretty well. I know that DMC is an established franchise, but if Sega pushes Bayonetta as the spiritual successor to DMC then it should achieve moderate success.
Viewtiful Joe 1 did pretty well, I think, and that's about it.
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I wonder if EA will go back to putting out less games with more mainstream appeal and less originality next gen. They're getting fucked over left and right it seems...they just cut a gajillion projects and teams.
They've already said as much which is why they had to cut all those jobs in the first place and a dozen projects. It's business. Not pleasing a small hardcore niche of message board gamers. (Comment not aimed at you).
They said they will focus on the big projects that have big potential which means their big franchises. Not stuff like Mirror's Edge or other niche software.
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I wonder if EA will go back to putting out less games with more mainstream appeal and less originality next gen. They're getting fucked over left and right it seems...they just cut a gajillion projects and teams.
They've already said as much which is why they had to cut all those jobs in the first place and a dozen projects. It's business. Not pleasing a small hardcore niche of message board gamers. (Comment not aimed at you).
They said they will focus on the big projects that have big potential which means their big franchises. Not stuff like Mirror's Edge or other niche software.
Not surprising. I'm glad they did a complete 180, even if it was only for a little while. If anything, it took down Tim Langdell (and yielded some conceptually interesting games.)
I think they just need to find a better balance between development costs, advertising costs, and original games, rather than going back to full-time Madden/FIFA/Whatever it is they make money on. It seemed like they were expecting Madden sales because they put Madden $$$ behind a niche game.
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EA's problem is that they've always been a bloated mess even when they were rolling in the profit last gen. They have plenty of good and popular franchises. There is no reason they shouldn't be able to be profitable. Concentrating on core franchises and potentially their massive back catalog is a smart call. Now they simply have to execute.
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Maybe. I was thinking primarily of Dead Space and Mirror's Edge which did "ok" and "flop" respectively. Regardless, EA has to have some of the worst and bloated management in the business world considering that their sports titles sell multimillion copies and they still bleed money.
I think that Activision is the scum of the industry, but Bobby knows how to run a ship.
How is Mirror's Edge a flop if it sold over a mil?
The same way that Uncharted 2 could be considered as a success...expectations
If you shoot low everything is a success,if you shoot high almost everything is a flop.
It doesn't matter if something sells 2 million if publisher expects 4 it will be considered as a flop and therefore not worthy of a sequel.Why?Because everything is finite...people,money,resources
Its better to move on to something more profitable,if you want to survive.
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I think a company like EA should fund big and small projects both, I mean you never know when something is going to blow up really, do you?
Yeah but EA has a stable of guaranteed hits like Madden and Tiger Woods. Their adventurous forays have bitten them in the ass. It's understandable that they're not going to want to continue sinking millions of dollars into sure to be failed projects. EA did just fine without them.
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I think a company like EA should fund big and small projects both, I mean you never know when something is going to blow up really, do you?
Yeah but EA has a stable of guaranteed hits like Madden and Tiger Woods. Their adventurous forays have bitten them in the ass. It's understandable that they're not going to want to continue sinking millions of dollars into sure to be failed projects. EA did just fine without them.
How sure are we that stuff like Deadspace "failed" to their projections? I mean, I know they thought ME was gonna sell more because they had ads on like every other second when it launched, but I don't remember seeing a similar campaign for Deadspace.
EA can put out all sorts of stuff, they just have to be realistic and realize that some projects will fail (BL), some will underwhelm (ME) and some will succeed (I'm betting on Dragon Age). They just have to accept that not everything they touch will be a new franchise on par with Madden.
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Dead Space sold over a million units. It was enough to merit a Wii a spinoff and a full-fledged sequel. I do not consider it a failure.
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EA is terribly mismanaged. There is no reason for them to be losing so much money when they have guaranteed multimillion sellers in Madden and FIFA. They also seem to have an array of moderately successful titles in Dead Space, Army of Two, EA Sports Active, and the Battlefield series. At worst, they should be losing a small amount or breaking even. According to this article (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163607) EA paid nearly 800 million for Bioware. I like me some Bioware games, but that company is nowhere near worth 800 million dollars.
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Also, the original Mass Effect was published by Microsoft. And it sold quite well.
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EA is terribly mismanaged. There is no reason for them to be losing so much money when they have guaranteed multimillion sellers in Madden and FIFA. They also seem to have an array of moderately successful titles in Dead Space, Army of Two, EA Sports Active, and the Battlefield series. At worst, they should be losing a small amount or breaking even. According to this article (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163607) EA paid nearly 800 million for Bioware. I like me some Bioware games, but that company is nowhere near worth 800 million dollars.
Isn't madden doing worse these days though? I mean if that's their main money to spend on other expensive development teams, then Madden losing steam would hurt them baaaad.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/10/madden-10-has-shipped-3-9-million-copies/
EA's John Schappert stated that Madden had a rough start in August, with sales down 19 percent from the prior year, but that it rallied up eight percent year-over-year in September, thanks to the PS3 price drop. The company claims that Madden 10 has sold five percent more than last year's iteration on PS3 and Xbox 360 combined, as of the end of September.
Madden is down slightly, but I remember reading an interview where DLC sales are healthier than ever. I think they sell ridiculous shit like stat boosts for $2 each or something. Regardless, Madden is still a massive cash cow that is semi reliable.
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hollywood hates videogames but still follows sales
be more of a loser please
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I think one of EA's problems is that they spend millions buying more studios almost every single year. They're doing really well in terms of revenues, but they're expenses are through the roof.
According to this article EA paid nearly 800 million for Bioware. I like me some Bioware games, but that company is nowhere near worth 800 million dollars.
They spent $800 million on VG Holdings, which got them Bioware AND Pandemic.
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I went for an interview at EA Los Angeles a few months ago. Holy FUCK is that place elaborate. I can tell you all that money is being spent on making sure employees never want to go home. I mean, it's like a god damn palace inside that place.
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According to this article EA paid nearly 800 million for Bioware. I like me some Bioware games, but that company is nowhere near worth 800 million dollars.
They spent $800 million on VG Holdings, which got them Bioware AND Pandemic.
Neither company is worth close to half that amount. When Elevation first brought BioWare and Pandemic together, I believe the investment was $300 million, and that even looked too high. Bono & Company made out like bandits, though. How they took a $300 million shaky investment and parlayed it into $800 million is beyond me. Part of it could be explained by John Riccitiello since he was at Elevation at the BioWare/Pandemic acquisition and of course now leads EA. But seriously... $800 million?
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For 800 million, you'd think they could get better looking trees in Dragon Age, or figure out how to do the top down viewpoint in the extra YEAR of console dev time that it got.
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Since EA acquired Bioware and Pandemic, what games have those studios released? The only ones I can think of are Mercenaries 2 (buggy as hell, didn't sell well), Mass Effect PC and Dragon Age.
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Since EA acquired Bioware and Pandemic, what games have those studios released? The only ones I can think of are Mercenaries 2 (buggy as hell, didn't sell well), Mass Effect PC and Dragon Age.
Bioware has released the Sonic RPG, Mass Effect PC, and Dragon Age; in a few months they'll release Mass Effect 2.
Pandemic has released Mercs 2 and Lord of the Rings: Conquest; in less than a month they'll release Saboteur.
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Bioware is a solid investment and company that will continue to pay off for years to come and gives them a strong presence in a market they didn't have. Nothing wrong with that purchase.
Pandemic on the other hand has been mostly a bust and I always thought they were an overated dev house in the first place.
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Mass Shitfest PC wasnt from Bioware
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Bioware is a solid investment and company that will continue to pay off for years to come and gives them a strong presence in a market they didn't have. Nothing wrong with that purchase.
Pandemic on the other hand has been mostly a bust and I always thought they were an overated dev house in the first place.
http://kotaku.com/5406449/rumor-rip-pandemic-studios-1998+2009?skyline=true&s=x
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Bioware is a solid investment and company that will continue to pay off for years to come and gives them a strong presence in a market they didn't have. Nothing wrong with that purchase.
Pandemic on the other hand has been mostly a bust and I always thought they were an overated dev house in the first place.
http://kotaku.com/5406449/rumor-rip-pandemic-studios-1998+2009?skyline=true&s=x
Why wouldn't they wait at least until Saboteur came out?
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Why wouldn't they wait at least until Saboteur came out?
Well its just a rumour I suppose but its not like that game is going to sell anyway. I'm sure the game is pretty much finished and either in the submission process or done with it. The game is effectively "out" in that sense.