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Title: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 03, 2009, 07:45:57 PM
International poster up:

(http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/ironman2international.jpg)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 07:48:26 PM
Movie will be meh

The first one is unwatchable the second time around. meh
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 03, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
What is with you and hyperbole. "Unwatchable"?

Ugh. I'm going to ban you from the movies.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 03, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
I really hope it's good. Don't think it will be, but I want it to be good.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 03, 2009, 07:53:45 PM
Yeah, I think the odds are high that it could be a trainwreck.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
I can't re-watch the first one at all!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 03, 2009, 07:57:36 PM
Yeah, I think the odds are high that it could be a trainwreck.

Maurice doesn't even see movies, so why bother?
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 07:58:56 PM
yea, this is a rental for me
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 03, 2009, 08:16:44 PM
Movie is  going to kick ass, wtf is wrong with you people?
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 08:21:35 PM
The first one was really overrated.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Movie is  going to kick ass, wtf is wrong with you people?

Says the man with the Deadpool avatar. Dude's been milked to death by Marvel and the fanboys are completely oblivious.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 08:39:21 PM
Deadpool? Shitty character confirmed.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 03, 2009, 08:44:54 PM
I know he is being milked I just don't care because all his monthly tittles have been great so far.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 03, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
It reminds me of the Ghost Rider milking of the early 90s, yet the fanboys don't seem to notice.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2009, 09:14:27 PM
I liked Iron Man, though it wasn't great, but I just don't feel much hype for the sequel at the moment.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
It reminds me of the Ghost Rider milking of the early 90s, yet the fanboys don't seem to notice.

Is this the world's biggest Gundam queer giving other people shit for things being milked?
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Disposable White Guy on December 03, 2009, 09:32:14 PM
It reminds me of the Ghost Rider milking of the early 90s, yet the fanboys don't seem to notice.

Is this the world's biggest Gundam queer giving other people shit for things being milked?

 :lol

I don't really see the point in this sequel.  Why can't they just hurry up and make an Avengers/Ultimates franchise already?  It could be like GI Joe, but with even more asses in tight leather and no-name underwear models playing major characters.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 03, 2009, 09:43:04 PM
The first one rocked my cock but I have no urge to see this.  It seems completely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: pilonv1 on December 03, 2009, 09:45:51 PM
better than that transformers filth
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: ManaByte on December 04, 2009, 12:17:30 AM
(http://l.yimg.com/a/i/mo/pseudoblog_ironman2poster500.jpg)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Barry Egan on December 04, 2009, 12:20:20 AM
(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2006/11/22/spiderman-3-poster.jpg)

I know that's not "evil Ironman", but the design is still pretty similar.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: pilonv1 on December 04, 2009, 12:39:56 AM
(http://l.yimg.com/a/i/mo/pseudoblog_ironman2poster500.jpg)

ironman v crysis guy?

(http://www.games4all.it/img/crysis_cover.png)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2009, 12:43:07 AM
I went into the first with nearly no expectations and ended up walking out afterwards pretty entertained.  I love Downy Jr. This, though, is probably gonna suck.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2009, 12:53:38 AM
It reminds me of the Ghost Rider milking of the early 90s, yet the fanboys don't seem to notice.

Is this the world's biggest Gundam queer giving other people shit for things being milked?

Yep!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2009, 01:06:12 AM
There are quite a few strikes against this one, true. Willco is on the money.

The first one came out of nowhere; no-one thought it had a chance of being cool. This one has huge expectations to live up to, which usually means an over-inflated mess with a silly budget that tries to do far too much. All indications are that that is the case - too many new characters, too many villains, far too much fan service. It could well be headed for Spider-man 3 territory.

On the other hand, if they're smart and devote plenty of screentime to male power fantasies (i.e. Tony being awesome and banging Scarlet silly) it could still be awesome.  And Iron Man is pretty much the best LOOKING supercharacter in the movies. The suit looks convincing in a way the Hulk and Spider-man never will.

If I was in charge, I'd make the whole thing about Tony's descent into alcoholism, featuring him accidentally killing innocents and such, and eventual redemption. That's a straightforward 'power and responsibility' riff that anyone who has ever had a drink or driven a car or both can relate to. But instead I expect to see an over-produced wedding cake of a movie with 12 extraneous characters.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 01:16:42 AM
What is with you and hyperbole. "Unwatchable"?

Ugh. I'm going to ban you from the movies.

You should set his username to "Black Shinobi".
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Solo on December 04, 2009, 05:10:56 AM
First one is the most overrated of all these comic book movies. Decent RDJ performance (but its no different than 5 other snarky performances hes given over the years), and everything else was mediocre to pure shit.

I expect this one will be the same. Crap, but met with a thunderous circle jerk.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Tauntaun on December 04, 2009, 11:16:41 AM
First one is the most overrated of all these comic book movies. Decent RDJ performance (but its no different than 5 other snarky performances hes given over the years), and everything else was mediocre to pure shit.

I expect this one will be the same. Crap, but met with a thunderous circle jerk.

All over your face boy SUCK IT DOWN! 

:tauntaun
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 11:31:40 AM
Iron Man succeeded on account of Robert Downey Jr.'s humor and charisma. Take him out and there's really not much left. The action was sparse and truncated, the villains were over the top and border-line goofy, the story was fairly blunt [Self-absorbed guy makes weapons, weapons get sold to terrorists, guy decides to stop being self-absorbed and become a superhero].

It's still a fun movie, but not some amazing pinnacle of cinematic achievement.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2009, 11:38:46 AM
Iron Man succeeded on account of Robert Downey Jr.'s humor and charisma. Take him out and there's really not much left. The action was sparse and truncated, the villains were over the top and border-line goofy, the story was fairly blunt [Self-absorbed guy makes weapons, weapons get sold to terrorists, guy decides to stop being self-absorbed and become a superhero].

It's still a fun movie, but not some amazing pinnacle of cinematic achievement.
That's pretty much every superhero movie.

I think the only thing is that Iron Man rolled around in its own shit and the stink was spectacular.  It was a by the book superhero movie but did not try to be outrageously ambitious so it was hard to really fail.  But like PD said, that leaves little replay value.  I remember being pretty amazed when I saw it in theater.  Mostly amazed that it wasn't absolute crap, and then some delightful surprise here and there.  But its formula is so worn and unadventurous that it's hard to see it again. 

In short, Iron Man didn't do much, but what it did, it did well.  With it trying to be so much more this time around, there's so much more for it to fail at.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2009, 11:40:39 AM
Iron Man succeeded on account of Robert Downey Jr.'s humor and charisma. Take him out and there's really not much left. The action was sparse and truncated, the villains were over the top and border-line goofy, the story was fairly blunt [Self-absorbed guy makes weapons, weapons get sold to terrorists, guy decides to stop being self-absorbed and become a superhero].

It's still a fun movie, but not some amazing pinnacle of cinematic achievement.

This is a great description of the first film.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
Iron Man succeeded on account of Robert Downey Jr.'s humor and charisma. Take him out and there's really not much left. The action was sparse and truncated, the villains were over the top and border-line goofy, the story was fairly blunt [Self-absorbed guy makes weapons, weapons get sold to terrorists, guy decides to stop being self-absorbed and become a superhero].

It's still a fun movie, but not some amazing pinnacle of cinematic achievement.
That's pretty much every superhero movie.

That's more an indictment of the genre than praise for Iron Man.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 04, 2009, 12:10:35 PM
I loved it, but really Iron Man was a mediocre movie made exceptionally well, but apart from an alcoholism -> redemption arc, there's little other story to be told besides SOMEONE STEALS STARK'S TECH AND USES IT AGAINST HIM.

Though, if the movie succeeding in large part because of RDJ's awesomeness, that was not a fluke...they had the balls to cast him as a major action hero.

I think the closest similarities to IM is Xmen 1 - a movie that was better than it had any right to be, despite sometimes lackluster action. I don't see why IM2 can't top the first just the X2 did.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:14:56 PM
The first one was fine. It was a good comic book movie in a genre filled with mostly shitty material. Because something was popular (and slightly over-praised) doesn't mean you need to backlash in the opposite direction every time and play the rebel.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:19:12 PM
There are too many decent comic book adaptations nowadays to use the argument of "... but compared to MOST comic book adaptations it doesn't suck!" Compared to most everything from any genre, a good film will not suck in comparison, but sadly, Iron Man isn't very good.

It was a fun, light and ultimately forgettable movie. I don't think people are out of line in calling it mediocre.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:20:56 PM
There are too many decent comic book adaptations nowadays

No.


There have been like 2 or three decent superhero movies in this last wave of superhero money milking that are decent. The rest are complete and utter shit.

Iron Man was one of those decent ones.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2009, 12:21:03 PM
too many decent comic book adaptations?  you're crazy, will.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:21:54 PM
There have been like 2 or three decent superhero movies in this last wave of superhero money milking that are decent. The rest are complete and utter shit.

Personal opinion. Critical and audience consensus beg to differ.

... but if you honestly consider Iron Man to be a top of the heap, your perspective is skewed anyway.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:23:03 PM
There have been like 2 or three decent superhero movies in this last wave of superhero money milking that are decent. The rest are complete and utter shit.

Personal opinion. Critical and audience consensus beg to differ.

... but if you honestly consider Iron Man to be a top of the heap, your perspective is skewed anyway.

Name these awesome comic book movies that are constanly coming out and explain how they are better than Iron Man. The genre is mostly shit. And because people often go see shit doesn't mean shit isn't shit.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:23:18 PM
too many decent comic book adaptations?  you're crazy, will.

I could compile a list of 20 to 25 comic book adaptations, easily, that were at least entertaining.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2009, 12:24:13 PM
That's not fair though.  Way too many movies are entertaining in a "never again' sort of way.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:32:18 PM
That's your personal opinion. I personally wouldn't put something completely forgettable on a list. And like I said, some of the this decade's more well-known comic book adaptations have been critical and commercial successes (see: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Sin City, etc.).

That's not including quieter genre films that are also comic book adaptations of the spandex-free variety, such as A History of Violence, American Splendor, Ghost World, Road to Perdition, etc. Scott Pilgrim also looks ace.

If you're going to narrow it down to a sub-genre of a sub-genre (namely the superhero), guess what, the pickings are going to be slimmer. And even then, Iron Man doesn't fall into the vicinity of the top ten release within the past ten years.

And if a sub-genre of a sub-genre can put out ten entertaining to legitimately good films within a decade, that's pretty fucking good. That's like saying, "Man, there aren't a ton of good ghost movies that involve haunted houses!"
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:38:49 PM
I'll drop this argument as its kind of pointless. My points are as follows.


1.) Superhero movies are inherently fairly limited and made to be milked until they can't be milked anymore.
2.) I'm talking about the ones where people dress up in tights and run around and fight evil. Not the ones that are comic book adaptions like GhostWorld because clearly those aren't the types of movies that are blockbusters or have big budgets for the most part or the ones that draw a lot of nerd worship.
3.) Iron Man was one of the few good ones. That alone is an accomplishment.
4.) Yes Iron Man was slightly over-rated. That is most likely because the genre is so shit when it comes to movies that people tend to orgasm and turn into annoying fanboys when they find one that isn't shit. (See the Batman movies as a perfect example)

Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:42:12 PM
As stated, even if you were to narrow a list down to the ten best superhero films released this decade, Iron Man would still be outside looking in. It's no better than Superman Returns or X-Men.

I fail to see how that is much of an accomplishment.

... so now your argument is that the superhero flicks that are good are too overrated, so by default, the backlash against Iron Man makes it better than those films? ???
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
If we're talking about purely comic adaptations (which I should have thought about more clearly when I posted) then I agree with your points.

But if we're talking specifically about superhero films and you're saying IM is no better than Superman Returns, then we just gotta agree to disagree. 
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:48:11 PM
... so now your argument is that the superhero flicks that are good are too overrated, so by default, the backlash against Iron Man makes it better than those films? ???

My argument is that you think there are a shitload of superhero movies better than Iron Man. And I don't agree. Mainly because most of those movies are shit or average movies period.

I liked Sin City better than Iron Man. I haven't seen the second Batman movie so I won't speak to that but the first wasn't leagues above Iron Man to me. There simply aren't a lot of great superhero movies. My argument isn't that Iron Man is fuck awesome. It's that most of the films for a fairly simple genre simply aren't better than it.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:49:33 PM
And yes, I'd put Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, 300, Sin City, Hellboy, Unbreakable, X2: X-Men United and The Incredibles all over Iron Man. Even if you counter than 300 or Sin City shouldn't count (which I would dispute), then I'd still put an ambitious failure like Watchmen or Del Toro's woefully underrated Blade II over Iron Man. Hellboy II, as well.

None of them are bad films, and your mileage may vary depending on the source material, but all were critical and commercial success (save for Watchmen). So saying that Iron Man is one of a few good movies is pretty disingenuous, especially considering they were all released within the past ten years.

So Iron Man being "okay" is not much of an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 12:50:11 PM
I'd put Superman Returns on about the same level as Iron Man, though slightly lower since Returns didn't have a really standout performance other than Routh doing a fairly good young Christopher Reeves impression. Villains are pretty similar too.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:53:31 PM
I agree with Great Rumbler's assessment. Iron Man is a mediocre film, with pretty bland direction, propelled by Downey Jr.'s awesome performance. At least Superman Returns looks nice, even if it is stupid and boring.

... Stoney Mason, if your personal opinion is that you prefer Iron Man, then whatever. That's fine. Making a blanket statement that it is somehow better by virtue of the entire sub-genre being awful is pretty sketchy, and doesn't really jive with consensus. That's my point.

I mean, at least when Triumph spews hate at the entire genre, it's because we know he hates everything.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
And in retrospect, I think I might have actually enjoyed Norton's Hulk adaptation more than Iron Man, as well. Both were pretty "meh".
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
And yes, I'd put Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, 300, Sin City, Hellboy, Unbreakable, X2: X-Men United and The Incredibles all over Iron Man. Even if you counter than 300 or Sin City shouldn't count (which I would dispute), then I'd still put an ambitious failure like Watchmen or Del Toro's woefully underrated Blade II over Iron Man. Hellboy II, as well.

Unbreakable. I don't consider it this sort of movie but for the sake of argument I will. Interesting movie. Incredibly flawed imo. Certainly popular among a certain niche.
300. Good popcorn movie. About on the same level as Iron Man to me.
Hellboy. Good comic book movie. Same level as Iron Man imo.
Sin City. Exceptional example of the comic book genre.
Spiderman 1. Shit.
Spiderman 2. Very good movie. I think in a way its the best pure comic book movie of this entire era
X Men 2. The first and the second are two average movies that for some reason comic book types think are exceptional.
Watchman/ Hellboy 2: Read the graphic novel for the watchman but haven't gotten around to seeing the movie yet.  Also haven't seen Hellboy 2 yet.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:59:06 PM
... Stoney Mason, if your personal opinion is that you prefer Iron Man, then whatever. That's fine. Making a blanket statement that it is somehow better by virtue of the entire sub-genre being awful is pretty sketchy, and doesn't really jive with consensus. That's my point.

What consensus?

The consensus of the internet comic book afficenados?

The consensus of movie fans?

The consensus of the box office?

The consensus of Rotten Tomatoes?

The consensus of certain well respected critics?


Of course the argument is subjective. On both sides!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 01:08:57 PM
I'll even add another. I think the first Blade movie is better than Iron Man. (or at least at the same level)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 01:10:33 PM
So by your own admission, you only consider one film on my list to be "shit", which is completely subjective given it's popularity with audiences and critics. And X2 wasn't just popular with "comic book types", but pretty much everyone (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x2.htm) and was a critical success (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x2_xmen_united/?critic=creamcrop), as well.

(Although, I do agree the original is quite average - about the same quality of say, Jon Favreau's Iron Man?)

I guess that means there weren't as many poor "superhero" films to stack up against Iron Man as previously thought.

... And pretty much everything I listed was commercially (indicative of popularity with mainstream audiences, and to a smaller extent, the film/comic geek community) and critically successful. If that's not a general consensus, then I don't know what is.

Do not confuse that with me telling you what your opinion should be. Opinions are like cowboy hats. I don't like The Departed for instance, and my corner is a lonely one.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 01:16:02 PM
@ Willco.

My argument is that of course I'm arguing from a subjective viewpoint. That's the only real way to argue this. We can't use something like Box Office. If that was the case then shit like Transformers or Spiderman 3 come into the equation.

And critical arguments only work if we agree to use the same critics and we both agree on the merits of said critics.

My point in internet arguments is to never to say "You are wrong" or say "I am right". Because there is no wrong or right on opinions. It's simply here is my perspective. And here is your perspective. And here is where we disagree or agree. No harm. No foul.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 01:21:49 PM
I've only been referencing the professional critics from RT scores, most of which have been very generous to almost all of the films I have listed - save for a select few. Even then, I think only one not listed fresh by professional critics was 300. The rest received either rave or solid reviews.

I just find it interesting that you felt Iron Man was good, simply by virtue of not being bad in a sub-genre crowded with supposedly awful films. But as we tick down our boxes, we kind of come to an agreement that it's not better or worse than most of the middle-of-the-road comic book adaptations and there aren't as many awful adaptations released this decade as previously stated.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 01:27:33 PM
I've only been referencing the professional critics from RT scores, most of which have been very generous to almost all of the films I have listed - save for a select few. Even then, I think only one not listed fresh by professional critics was 300. The rest received either rave or solid reviews.

I just find it interesting that you felt Iron Man was good, simply by virtue of not being bad in a sub-genre crowded with supposedly awful films. But as we tick down our boxes, we kind of come to an agreement that it's not better or worse than most of the middle-of-the-road comic book adaptations and there aren't as many awful adaptations released this decade as previously stated.

Ultimately the difference in our positions is that you feel there are more "good" comic book movies than I do. I would classify more of the ones you classify as "good" as "average". For example I think Unbreakable is an average movie. Iron Man nudges into the "good" category for me. There may be 5 or 6 others I classify as good also (Originally I said 2 or 3 so I admit to upping that number). And maybe only 2 or maybe 3 that immediately spring to mind as definitely better from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Sceneman on December 04, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
this movie is going to fucking own,  the first one holds a special place in my heart as R.Downey Jr taught me how to eat pizza properly in that movie
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Sceneman on December 04, 2009, 02:30:32 PM
holy shit

[youtube=560,345]PnKxGymYNPY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: cool breeze on December 04, 2009, 02:42:39 PM
In the past couple years, Iron Man, Batman and Hellboy movies were the only ones that were actually good.  You can argue if Sin City, 300 or Watchmen count; of those three, I only really enjoyed parts of Sin City.  I may be forgetting a one or two.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2009, 02:51:32 PM
My favorite recent super hero movies would have to be X2, Spider Man 2, Iron Man, and the Batman films. I haven't seen any of the Hellboy, Fantastic Four, Daredevil or Hulk films, nor did I see Wolverine or Superman Returns.

As for Watchmen, I actually enjoyed the film version. I enjoyed it enough that I bought it on Blu-ray and watched it again, but there's no way in hell it would ever make my top ten year list for 2009.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 03:04:37 PM
Hellboy?

:yuck

Still trying to forget that shit
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Solo on December 04, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
And yes, I'd put Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, 300, Sin City, Hellboy, Unbreakable, X2: X-Men United and The Incredibles all over Iron Man.


Take out 300 and Im in complete agreement. Iron Man is basically on the Hulk (choose a version, it really doesnt matter) level. Not the worst, not evne close to the best.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
Hellboy?

:yuck

Still trying to forget that shit

smh
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.

300 is only important so far as it contributes to Porn Drift.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.

Aside from RDJ, the acting wasn't really all that great.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Robo on December 04, 2009, 04:09:04 PM
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.


You trippin', son.  If "Unbreakable" doesn't count, I'd give that one to V for Vendetta.  Unbreakable counts, though.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, Mandark. Outside of Robert Downey Jr.'s performance, it is pretty weak. Both of Nolan's Bat flicks destroy it, as do a couple of others.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
RDJ was perfect. The rest of the cast was pretty blah.*

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Hell, Samuel L. Jackson's cameo at the end was better.
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Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 04:44:41 PM
Also, Jeff Bridges was chewing massive amounts of scenery at the end of the film.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Robo on December 04, 2009, 04:45:09 PM
How about, "Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best lead acting of any superhero flick."  That's difficult to disagree with.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
I could be down with that.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2009, 04:51:07 PM
How about, "Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best lead acting of any superhero flick."  That's difficult to disagree with.

I'd agree with that, but don't let the Bat-tards over at GAF see that. They'll declare Jihad on your ass for forsaking the prophet Christian Bale.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, Mandark. Outside of Robert Downey Jr.'s performance, it is pretty weak. Both of Nolan's Bat flicks destroy it, as do a couple of others.

I'd go with Watchmen too, for Billy Crudup, Jackie Earle Haley, and Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

Quote
How about, "Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best lead acting of any superhero flick."  That's difficult to disagree with.

I'd be more willing to agree to this, although I'd say that Ron Perlman as Hellboy gives RDJ a run for his money.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
Haley was perfect as Rorschach, but he didn't carry the movie like RDJ did with Iron Man.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 04:54:27 PM
I think that's unfair, since Ron Perlman is basically Hellboy in disguise.

And although it might upset some, Bale was obviously outperformed by three separate actors in The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 04:57:46 PM
Careful, Cohen, your trolling will wake Solo from his slumber!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 05:01:29 PM
Comissioner Gordon's son?
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
Also that one extra that yells, "NO MOAR DEAD COPS!!1"
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2009, 05:08:10 PM
Haley was perfect as Rorschach, but he didn't carry the movie like RDJ did with Iron Man.

But that only means that he wasn't the only actor to turn in a great performance, plus Watchmen was more of an ensemble than Iron Man.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 05:14:04 PM
Basically anyone who was competent in The Dark Knight was a better actor than Bale.  Maybe the boat captain who tries to decide who dies was worse.

Are you including Deebo into this discussion as well?

(http://blogs.e-rockford.com/movieman/files/2009/05/tinylister.jpg)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Robo on December 04, 2009, 05:20:37 PM
Deebo has more talent than Christian Bale in his right eye alone.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 04, 2009, 05:26:39 PM
Hellboy is better than Iron Man?

I think you guys are trying to troll a bunch of Iron Man fanboys that don't exist on the forum.

Same goes for people talking shit about The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 04, 2009, 06:00:59 PM
Terminator 4 really exposed Bale for the shitty actor that he is

Also, Iron Man :heartbeat Ain't nobody gonna break my stride (for being totally gay for the Superhero and movie)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2009, 06:05:37 PM
Bale/Batman might be the weakest link in TDK

RDJ is the only interesting thing about Iron Man. The action scenes are pretty meh and it's one of the few comic book movies I can think of with a completely laughable "villain"

Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2009, 12:52:51 AM
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.
You trippin', son.  If "Unbreakable" doesn't count, I'd give that one to V for Vendetta.  Unbreakable counts, though.

Honkey please.  V for Vendetta starred a guy reciting poetry behind a mask.  Maybe there are some standards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noh) by which that constitutes good acting, but they're not the ones I'm applying.  I haven't seen Unbreakable in years (I liked it a lot when I saw it), but is it that hard to get Bruce Willis to not emote, and for Samuel L. Jackson to be wild-eyed and menacing?  My impression was a movie that leaned a lot more on mystery and menace than on character.

I'm gonna let Jim Henley (http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/04/8196) speak for me here:

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I read in a primer on improv recently about a director who liked to point at your partner on stage – you are an actor for the length of this anecdote – and tell you, “Your work is over there!” Meaning, your partner. Pay attention to him.

When critics and viewers say, correctly, that Iron Man is the best-acted superhero movie yet, that’s what they’re talking about.

The cast is uniformly good, and uniformly attentive to each other. Take Terrence Howard’s effort at Jim Rhodes, the Air-Force liaison. Howard’s a big-deal star, but as Rhodes he’s totally in the moment at all times. He doesn’t just play off Robert Downey Jr. like a dutiful supporting actor should, he’s wrapped up in his fellow officers and subordinates in the various control rooms. His transformation from upbraiding Tony like a bellicose Jiminy Cricket early in their charter flight to Afghanistan to drunken cameraderie with him later in the same flight has as its unity his selfless focus on Downey. Jeff Bridges makes Obadiah Stane work by completely underselling his jealousy of his business partner. Bridges gives Stane the relaxed self-assurance of rich white guys everywhere. He hates Tony Stark and wants him dead, but life is good! And Gwyneth Paltrow and Downey have some wonderful rallies of emotion and body language. Paltrow’s Pepper Potts orients her entire life around her boss, but no man is a hero to his valet, so she puts across her condescension with her loyalty. We understand how much professional pride she has in being seen as the one who does not sleep with her boss. Downey is the star, but Stark is a seducer, and Stark works, like a good actor, by riveting his attention on you. He’s only a tyrant to his robots. (At least two different characters utter the line “I’m not Tony Stark.”)

I'd quibble with some details (wasn't as high on Howard) but he nails the main point.  The main actors do a great job of playing off each other and implying their characters' relationships and histories together.  They create an impression of being long-time colleagues in just a few scenes, which is no mean trick.

I love it when a film pulls that off well, and it's a big part of why I like the movies I like (Casablanca, Jaws, Ghostbusters, Breaking Away, The Thin Man).  Notice how much better the parts of Hellboy 2 are where the team is dealing with each other than when the elves are on screen.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 05, 2009, 12:58:28 AM
You guys are overthinking this shit.

Iron Man was all about RDJ playing himself because he fit well in the Stark role.  Like a glove.  So when people are trying to point out that the actors were playing themselves, the vast majority of the people who spent money on watching this movie says "No shit, Sherlock."

Also, I'm pretty sure the Iron Man induced RDJ hype was the main reason why people bothered to watch Tropic Thunder.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2009, 12:58:58 AM
Quote
The cast is uniformly good, and uniformly attentive to each other. Take Terrence Howard’s effort at Jim Rhodes, the Air-Force liaison. Howard’s a big-deal star, but as Rhodes he’s totally in the moment at all times. He doesn’t just play off Robert Downey Jr. like a dutiful supporting actor should, he’s wrapped up in his fellow officers and subordinates in the various control rooms. His transformation from upbraiding Tony like a bellicose Jiminy Cricket early in their charter flight to Afghanistan to drunken cameraderie with him later in the same flight has as its unity his selfless focus on Downey. Jeff Bridges makes Obadiah Stane work by completely underselling his jealousy of his business partner. Bridges gives Stane the relaxed self-assurance of rich white guys everywhere. He hates Tony Stark and wants him dead, but life is good! And Gwyneth Paltrow and Downey have some wonderful rallies of emotion and body language. Paltrow’s Pepper Potts orients her entire life around her boss, but no man is a hero to his valet, so she puts across her condescension with her loyalty. We understand how much professional pride she has in being seen as the one who does not sleep with her boss. Downey is the star, but Stark is a seducer, and Stark works, like a good actor, by riveting his attention on you. He’s only a tyrant to his robots. (At least two different characters utter the line “I’m not Tony Stark.”)

:|
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 05, 2009, 01:17:30 AM
Yeah, but to be fair Christian Bale is just a shitty actor.  Making him act with other people just isn't fair.

He was awesome in American Psycho, is not his fault that the Nolan's didn't write any good scene for bruce wayne.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 05, 2009, 01:20:26 AM
Nah, Nolan is fine.  Bale was good in American Psycho but he just doesn't work in the Batman role.  Never saw him in Terminator 4 and don't intend to.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 05, 2009, 01:21:30 AM
I think he's pretty good as Batman, he's just not the messiah, as some would have you believe.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: MCD on December 05, 2009, 01:22:21 AM
i think bale is good as batman but someone need to tell him to talk as a normal person.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 05, 2009, 01:29:17 AM
What I mean is that Harvey, The Joker and even Gordon have some big intense moments during the film while Bruce/batman was just there, practically doing the dirty work for the other characters, people criticize Bale's performance during the film but there wasn't really a lot in there for him to do, this was more of a Dent vs The Joker movie with batman acting as Dent's muscle.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Sceneman on December 05, 2009, 02:42:19 AM
Harsh Times> *
Title: I wouldn't expect him to do well in a romcom, though
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2009, 03:00:19 AM
I should have a txt file with my old post on Bale, so I can c/p it whenever he comes up.

He's got a really narrow range, from Intense to Obsessed, and maybe that's cause he's playing himself.  Not a great actor, but Batman as a character is right in his wheel house.  If Bale can play anyone, it's a menacing dude with OCD.  I've got no problems with him in the role, especially now that I'm used to the voice.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: fistfulofmetal on December 05, 2009, 02:04:06 PM
Hellboy is better than Iron Man?

quite a bit, yes.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Solo on December 05, 2009, 02:10:01 PM
Careful, Cohen, your trolling will wake Solo from his slumber!
Are you joking/confusing me with someone? I hope so, because no one rags on Bale's shittastic acting in TDK more than me  :lol
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Solo on December 05, 2009, 02:40:29 PM
I still would have liked to see DiCaprio's Patrick Bateman. In hindsight, Bale probably was better for that particular role, but it would have been interesting for a pre-Scorsese Leo to be in it.

Someone earlier was dead on about Bale. He is a great actor, provided he is funneled into a role that requires intensity or being an asshole. Anything outside that range, and he is a below average talent. He was outclassed by Jackman in The Prestige, by Steve Zahn in Rescue Dawn, by Russell Crow in Yuma, by everyone in TDK, and he was flat out terrible in Harsh Times Terminator. Those two especially are so incredibly over the top.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 05, 2009, 02:44:24 PM
iron man >>> the dark knight

Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 05, 2009, 02:47:39 PM
I think I enjoy Keanu Reeves more.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 05, 2009, 02:51:25 PM
Although, both Matrix sequels were pretty bad.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Solo on December 05, 2009, 02:52:14 PM
I think I enjoy Keanu Reeves more.

At least Reeves isnt drinking his own kool-aid
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 05, 2009, 09:13:48 PM
Keanu Reeves is the most boring actor of our generation, I enjoy more seeing fucking pauly short on the screen than keanu.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2009, 05:00:19 PM
iron man >>> the dark knight



leper prole

...green man that looks meh
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 16, 2009, 05:16:00 PM
Bale will be the next Nicholas Cage.

Highly bankable name after a while, with a few actually good performances due to their lack of range. 
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
But Bale isn't bankable...
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 16, 2009, 05:19:59 PM
I think he will be.  He'll be known as that decent action movie guy, I think. 

The average shit-fucks liked Terminator enough.  They loved Batman.  The next Batman will come out too.  And I'm sure Bale will realize his shit skills and be complacent in action movies after the Batman saga ends.

Edit: I see a trend!...

In Development:

   1. Killing Pablo (details only on IMDbPro)
   2. Terminator 5 (details only on IMDbPro)
   3. Untitled Batman Project (details only on IMDbPro)

Actor:

   1. The Fighter (2010) (post-production) .... Dickie Eklund
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 16, 2009, 05:22:11 PM
That preview looks badass, can't wait for the trailer, I hope is attached to avatar :hyper
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Diunx on December 16, 2009, 05:24:06 PM
The Fighter and Killing Pablo are gonna rock, but haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 16, 2009, 05:24:56 PM
No, Robert Downey Jr. doesn't want it attached to that trash. It's going to be attached to Sherlock Holmes.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2009, 05:27:37 PM
Terminator Salvation wasn't exactly a hit. I think it's fair to say Public Enemies underperformed, but that was more of a Depp film than a Bale film. Really outside of the Batman films he hasn't shown that he's going to be some big action star. Right now he's like a slightly more successful Gereld Butler
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: Mupepe on December 16, 2009, 05:29:38 PM
The Fighter and Killing Pablo are gonna rock, but haters gonna hate.
I don't know anything about The Fighter, but Killing Pablo will most likely kick ass.

Terminator Salvation wasn't exactly a hit. I think it's fair to say Public Enemies underperformed, but that was more of a Depp film than a Bale film. Really outside of the Batman films he hasn't shown that he's going to be some big action star. Right now he's like a slightly more successful Gereld Butler
I'm just thinking on a hunch.  Most of the people I know still regard Bale as badass.  And I think he will definitely breakout of the "it's the guy that played batman!" phase.  If anything, he has shown to be consistently mediocre, much like Cage.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 16, 2009, 08:29:58 PM
Full trailer is out. (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 16, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
... and that looks stupid. Downey Jr. is still awesome, but there looks like way too much shit going on. Rourke's character design looks distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
Post by: cool breeze on December 16, 2009, 10:28:47 PM
... and that looks stupid. Downey Jr. is still awesome, but there looks like way too much shit going on. Rourke's character design looks distinguished mentally-challenged.

agreed

I don't get who the villain is.  Rourke's character can be defeated with a hand gun or broken glass.  Then there are a bunch of other suits that Warmachine and him fight.  Rourke seems like a hobo and probably couldn't afford those.  And like, is that glowing thing giving Tony cancer?  just from the trailer it seems like there are way too many conflicts going on.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 16, 2009, 10:30:02 PM
Rourke looks like a homeless person who has never showered, armed with Rickety Cricket's back brace and some S&M gear.
Title: Iron Man 2 trailer
Post by: Beezy on December 16, 2009, 11:08:51 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/

Scarlett Johansson should stick with the red hair.
Title: Re: Iron Man 2 trailer
Post by: Diunx on December 16, 2009, 11:54:50 PM
The ending :hyper

total nerdgasm.
Title: Re: Iron Man 2 trailer
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 17, 2009, 12:12:13 AM
we already have a thread!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Beezy on December 17, 2009, 12:15:23 AM
I didn't see this. :lol
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2009, 01:51:23 AM
The second they cast Mickey rourke you could tell something was wrong.

?

Rourke is cool. The character he's playing is not cool.

Ironman has like the worst villain gallery in comics
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: ManaByte on December 17, 2009, 07:37:03 PM
The ending :hyper

total nerdgasm.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/bg5kki_th.gif)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: cool breeze on March 08, 2010, 01:29:59 AM
[youtube=560,345]oOzuBOefL8I[/youtube]

new trailer, and a good one this time
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 08, 2010, 01:34:09 AM
That was much better

Sam Rockwell :rock
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Ichirou on March 08, 2010, 01:35:10 AM
The second they cast Mickey rourke you could tell something was wrong.

?

Rourke is cool. The character he's playing is not cool.

Ironman has like the worst villain gallery in comics

Iron Man has a few cool villains, but most of them are really just armored guys like him.  The only one I can think of offhand that's kind of different is the Living Laser.  There's also the Mandarin, but I always thought he sucked pretty bad.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 08, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
Sam Rockwell for President
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 08, 2010, 01:40:21 AM
looks awful, Spider-Man 3 level shark jumping -- but in only 2 movies!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 08, 2010, 01:44:03 AM
You don't like Sam Rockwell!?!!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: cool breeze on March 08, 2010, 01:46:28 AM
The structure comes across in this trailer and doesn't make hobo-Rourke seem like the ultimate villain.  It looks more like Sam Rockwell is the real baddy who is mass producing these suits.  So it will probably be happy life > hobo-Rourke attacking Stark on the track; he loses > Rockwell gets Rourke out of jail to work on the robots > shit goes bad for Stark > PEW PEW PEW BIG ACTION SCENES.  Doesn't even look like War Machine is built by Stark in the trailer.  But then there is girl who does wrestling moves and Sam Jackson, and I guess they do their own thing.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Ichirou on March 08, 2010, 01:49:48 AM
He used to keep his Iron Man suit in the briefcase in the old comic books, this probably comes from that.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 08, 2010, 01:50:47 AM
looks awful, Spider-Man 3 level shark jumping -- but in only 2 movies!
You shut up! This will kick arse.

I saw  :o at the briefcase suit.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2010, 01:55:55 AM
Lemme guess - Black Widow (Scarlett) loves up Tony and steals Iron Man tech, big bad Sam R. mass produces. They would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those damn Iron Man briefcases!
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Ichirou on March 08, 2010, 01:58:18 AM
Makes sense she'd be a corporate spy in the movie since she started off as a spy character in the comics (I think).
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2010, 01:58:46 AM
She was originally a full-on villain(ess). They could go either way with it. Or have her revealed as a double-agent all along yadda yadda.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: cool breeze on March 08, 2010, 01:59:43 AM
The suitcase looks like a cheapo weak suit.  Earlier in the same trailer you see hobo-Rourke kicking his ass, but of course the trailer already tells you that he survives somehow.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 08, 2010, 02:03:12 AM
I think Sam R would use Rourke's knowledge and tech. Black Widow is probably some subplot to that.

The suitcase looks like a cheapo weak suit.  Earlier in the same trailer you see hobo-Rourke kicking his ass, but of course the trailer already tells you that he survives somehow.
Obvioulsy even for a piece of fiction they have to make it 'plausible'. Hence it is his weaker suit. Otherwise they'd make his suit fit in a mint tin.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 08, 2010, 11:33:32 AM
I don't understand you guys, that trailer looked awful and I am probably going to skip the movie now. :yuck

Stark/War Machine/Black Widow

vs.

Whiplash/Rockwell

It looks like a fanboy's dream and a normal person's nightmare.  :-\
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 08, 2010, 11:41:14 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/svji44.jpg)

thats hot.

Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Diunx on March 08, 2010, 11:44:31 AM
That trailer kicked ass, so excited to see this :hyper :hyper :hyper
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: cool breeze on March 08, 2010, 11:47:59 AM
I don't understand you guys, that trailer looked awful and I am probably going to skip the movie now. :yuck

Stark/War Machine/Black Widow

vs.

Whiplash/Rockwell

It looks like a fanboy's dream and a normal person's nightmare.  :-\

the trailer made it seem like Stark vs everyone else.  At some point War Machine will join him, but the trailer makes it seem like the War Machine suit isn't even built by Stark, rather Whiplash and Rockwell + Government (I assume).

and the two reasons why this trailer was good: because the first one was awful and Sam Rockwell was present.  The first Iron Man was half about Tony Stark acting up and the action.  Trailer makes it seem like it's more of that.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Tauntaun on March 08, 2010, 12:22:45 PM
[youtube=560,345]oOzuBOefL8I[/youtube]

new trailer, and a good one this time

:o

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/emot-fappery.gif)(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/emot-fappery.gif)(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/emot-fappery.gif)(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/emot-fappery.gif)(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/emot-fappery.gif)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 08, 2010, 12:34:37 PM
Seems to me like War Machine is a prototype developed by Stark & the government. I think it's like a revenge of the sith plot. Government puts out a tender or 'iron man' suits. Stark finally relents and works with Rhodes on a model but Rockwell wins the bid. Rockwell\Whiplash mutinies and trys to take over the world with them. Iron Man and War Machine stop him\them. Black Widow is trying to stop all of them for the glorious benefit of Russia but then finally joins Stark to save the world or something.

It would describe why there is only one War Machine suit.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: WrikaWrek on March 08, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Looks...action packed.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2010, 01:59:24 PM
Looks hot
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Ichirou on March 08, 2010, 06:44:50 PM
I don't understand you guys, that trailer looked awful and I am probably going to skip the movie now. :yuck

Stark/War Machine/Black Widow

vs.

Whiplash/Rockwell

It looks like a fanboy's dream and a normal person's nightmare.  :-\

First movie wasn't that great, don't see how this could be any worse.  At least they're upping the action, which the first film was seriously lacking in.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 08, 2010, 07:03:57 PM
Downey acting like himself :bow2
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2010, 07:06:37 PM
Trailer was pretty much like the last one, meh. Rourke looks badass though, well except for the distinguished mentally-challenged thunder jump rope suit.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 02, 2010, 04:29:30 AM
So is this one of the movies that EB has decided to not like?  I didn't get the memo and wanted to be sure I was doing it right.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Full Trailer!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2010, 04:44:17 AM
stop pretending to be corny, april fools is over
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Post by: Ichirou on April 02, 2010, 04:50:08 AM
Scarlettttttttt
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2010, 05:49:26 AM
mmm-mmm

yes, i think i'd give up a state secret or two to tap that
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Post by: Yeti on April 03, 2010, 03:35:00 AM
What character is she, Black Widow?
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 03, 2010, 04:13:12 AM
yep.
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 03, 2010, 02:29:55 PM
i would cause a space-time anomaly just so i could create infinite permutations of myself to hitsidehug it infinite times

:drool :drool :drool :drool :drool
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Post by: Yeti on April 03, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
What sort of material do you suppose her outfit is made out of?
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 03, 2010, 04:51:36 PM
:wtf
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Post by: ManaByte on April 20, 2010, 07:02:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfrf63DVGws[/youtube]
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Post by: GilloD on April 21, 2010, 10:53:28 AM
Just found out IM2 comes out in Korea a full week earlier than in the US. SUCK IT, CAPITALIST PIG DOGS. ANyong haseo :uguu
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Post by: Veidt on April 21, 2010, 10:57:52 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfrf63DVGws[/youtube]
good god :rofl :rofl :rofl

That was better than  IM  can ever hope to be.
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Post by: Tauntaun on April 21, 2010, 11:42:34 AM
 :lol
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Post by: Diunx on April 21, 2010, 02:00:14 PM
So hyped for this movie :gun
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 21, 2010, 02:16:40 PM
I was shocked to hear this is tracking to do really well, somewhere in TDK territory apparently. No one I know is talking about it irl and no one (myself included) seems to have any interest in it. The first film was mediocrity to the nth degree and this looks even more scatter-shot and forgettable.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 21, 2010, 02:57:06 PM
I was shocked to hear this is tracking to do really well, somewhere in TDK territory apparently. No one I know is talking about it irl and no one (myself included) seems to have any interest in it. The first film was mediocrity to the nth degree and this looks even more scatter-shot and forgettable.

Transformers 2 made even more money than the first movie. Now THAT is a head-scratcher.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2010, 03:01:05 PM
I was shocked to hear this is tracking to do really well, somewhere in TDK territory apparently. No one I know is talking about it irl and no one (myself included) seems to have any interest in it. The first film was mediocrity to the nth degree and this looks even more scatter-shot and forgettable.

People loved the first Iron Man, including here. Hell I enjoyed it in the theater. The problem is that it's simply not a good movie, it's just real glitzy. Seems right up many people's alley though.

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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 21, 2010, 03:23:14 PM
I literally remember nothing about the first other than the fact Downey, Paltrow and Bridges were in it, there was some subplot about really stereotypical terrorists, and the score was all the most overplayed metal songs of all time. It was so lazy and cliche.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 21, 2010, 03:46:03 PM
This one also adds like 100 new characters. Multiple sidekicks and like 3 bad guys. Over-loading on the characters in sequels is pretty much the kiss of death for super hero movies.

And it was rushed into production. Both Downey and Faverau said they would have rather waited 3 years like TDK but Marvel wanted this done quick. How often does that work out for the best?
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Post by: Yeti on April 21, 2010, 03:46:11 PM
I loved the first movie but this sequel hasn't even really been on my radar at all, I was surprised it was coming out this summer.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 21, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
DC: We put out a new film every three or four years, but for the most part they're worth the wait :bow

Marvel: Four every summer! Hey guys, you want Ghost Rider 2? Well, here you go! :yuck
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Post by: Diunx on April 21, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
Marvel didn't do Ghost Rider, the only movies they have done are Ironman and The Incredible Hulk.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 21, 2010, 04:02:24 PM
Both of those sucked, too. :yuck

And while Marvel didn't produce Ghost Rider in-house they are still at least tangentially responsible for what an abomination that film was. Never again.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 21, 2010, 04:11:29 PM
Marvel didn't do Ghost Rider, the only movies they have done are Ironman and The Incredible Hulk.
Wow great track record there. 

They are on a track to ruin their franchises. They are rushing everything out as fast as possible to do the avengers and keeping everything tied together in one continuity. And they plan to keep doing sequels to thor/iron man/captain america at the same time as doing multiple avenger movies despite the fact they share leads.

They are turning their self-produced films into everything that is wrong with comics. They signed both chris evans and samuel l. jackson to nine film contracts. They'll probably have to resign them in 3 years based at the rate they plan to force these characters at you.

You get to see captain america and thor twice in less than one year. Not to mention iron man 3 times in the span of 4 years. It's overkill.

Seriously, downey is good as Stark but by the time iron man 3 hits which they already announced you'll have see him four times as a lead in the span of 6 years. That is way too fucking much. These aren't comics.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 21, 2010, 04:12:41 PM
They are turning their self-produced films into everything that is wrong with comics.

:bow
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Post by: Yeti on April 21, 2010, 07:36:12 PM
Where is Spider-Man 4? After re-watching Spider-Man 3 I'm switching to Willco's team :bow
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 21, 2010, 07:40:06 PM
Yeah, this looks terrible.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 21, 2010, 07:49:35 PM
:punch
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 21, 2010, 08:06:56 PM
I was shocked to hear this is tracking to do really well, somewhere in TDK territory apparently. No one I know is talking about it irl and no one (myself included) seems to have any interest in it. The first film was mediocrity to the nth degree and this looks even more scatter-shot and forgettable.

Huh

Iron Man was the feel good movie of its year, in the same sense that Pirates of The Caribbean was. Whether you liked the movie or not is largely irrelevant to the great word of mouth it received, and the reason why Iron Man 2 isn't being really fucking hyped amongst the nerd crowd is because Iron Man was a mainstream success mostly, and wasn't a movie that had high goals in terms of its story and characters.

Iron Man 2 is tracking huge because, unlike say, Kick Ass for example....the mainstream crowd is gonna fill those theaters no questions asked. Same goes for the buzz, nerds talk Kick Ass but people just wanna go see Iron Man 2, and all they have to say is "Trailer was cool, i'm watching it", nobody gives a fuck about knowing stuff before it happens. Which is exactly what's so creepy about these Dark Knight fanboys.

No surprise really, as DC fanboys are the most vocal online, while Marvel got the short end of the stick by selling the most.

Worth the wait, Superman Returns....biggest pile of shit ever.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 21, 2010, 08:09:27 PM
Where is Spider-Man 4? After re-watching Spider-Man 3 I'm switching to Willco's team :bow
Oh it's coming, starring this guy as Peter Parker/Spidey :
(http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/logan_lerman/fotos/4469/logan_lerman.jpg)
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Post by: Ichirou on April 22, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
Isn't that the douche from Jack & Bobby?

Fuck this remake. :lol
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 22, 2010, 02:18:20 AM
I was shocked to hear this is tracking to do really well, somewhere in TDK territory apparently. No one I know is talking about it irl and no one (myself included) seems to have any interest in it. The first film was mediocrity to the nth degree and this looks even more scatter-shot and forgettable.

Huh

Iron Man was the feel good movie of its year, in the same sense that Pirates of The Caribbean was. Whether you liked the movie or not is largely irrelevant to the great word of mouth it received, and the reason why Iron Man 2 isn't being really fucking hyped amongst the nerd crowd is because Iron Man was a mainstream success mostly, and wasn't a movie that had high goals in terms of its story and characters.

Iron Man 2 is tracking huge because, unlike say, Kick Ass for example....the mainstream crowd is gonna fill those theaters no questions asked. Same goes for the buzz, nerds talk Kick Ass but people just wanna go see Iron Man 2, and all they have to say is "Trailer was cool, i'm watching it", nobody gives a fuck about knowing stuff before it happens. Which is exactly what's so creepy about these Dark Knight fanboys.

No surprise really, as DC fanboys are the most vocal online, while Marvel got the short end of the stick by selling the most.

Worth the wait, Superman Returns....biggest pile of shit ever.

So "feel good" trumps something that people clearly took time making, working up anticipation for, and which happens to be one of the biggest films (and critically successful to boot) of all time?

Yeah, you make no fucking sense. Who's the fanboy? ::)
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Post by: Smooth Groove on April 22, 2010, 02:21:08 AM
Marvel didn't do Ghost Rider, the only movies they have done are Ironman and The Incredible Hulk.
Wow great track record there. 

They are on a track to ruin their franchises. They are rushing everything out as fast as possible to do the avengers and keeping everything tied together in one continuity. And they plan to keep doing sequels to thor/iron man/captain america at the same time as doing multiple avenger movies despite the fact they share leads.

They are turning their self-produced films into everything that is wrong with comics. They signed both chris evans and samuel l. jackson to nine film contracts. They'll probably have to resign them in 3 years based at the rate they plan to force these characters at you.

You get to see captain america and thor twice in less than one year. Not to mention iron man 3 times in the span of 4 years. It's overkill.

Seriously, downey is good as Stark but by the time iron man 3 hits which they already announced you'll have see him four times as a lead in the span of 6 years. That is way too fucking much. These aren't comics.

Sounds exactly like Marvel's crap crossovers in the last decade.  Guess they're just giving their fans what they want.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 22, 2010, 02:23:22 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if post-Avengers, Marvel's film division went right to doing big event "crossover" films every summer. Then people could lose interest in comic book movies -- just like the comics themselves! :spin
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Post by: Himu on April 22, 2010, 02:25:08 AM
Marvel didn't do Ghost Rider, the only movies they have done are Ironman and The Incredible Hulk.
Wow great track record there. 

They are on a track to ruin their franchises. They are rushing everything out as fast as possible to do the avengers and keeping everything tied together in one continuity. And they plan to keep doing sequels to thor/iron man/captain america at the same time as doing multiple avenger movies despite the fact they share leads.

They are turning their self-produced films into everything that is wrong with comics. They signed both chris evans and samuel l. jackson to nine film contracts. They'll probably have to resign them in 3 years based at the rate they plan to force these characters at you.

You get to see captain america and thor twice in less than one year. Not to mention iron man 3 times in the span of 4 years. It's overkill.

Seriously, downey is good as Stark but by the time iron man 3 hits which they already announced you'll have see him four times as a lead in the span of 6 years. That is way too fucking much. These aren't comics.

:bow
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 22, 2010, 05:36:09 AM
I was shocked to hear this is tracking to do really well, somewhere in TDK territory apparently. No one I know is talking about it irl and no one (myself included) seems to have any interest in it. The first film was mediocrity to the nth degree and this looks even more scatter-shot and forgettable.

Huh

Iron Man was the feel good movie of its year, in the same sense that Pirates of The Caribbean was. Whether you liked the movie or not is largely irrelevant to the great word of mouth it received, and the reason why Iron Man 2 isn't being really fucking hyped amongst the nerd crowd is because Iron Man was a mainstream success mostly, and wasn't a movie that had high goals in terms of its story and characters.

Iron Man 2 is tracking huge because, unlike say, Kick Ass for example....the mainstream crowd is gonna fill those theaters no questions asked. Same goes for the buzz, nerds talk Kick Ass but people just wanna go see Iron Man 2, and all they have to say is "Trailer was cool, i'm watching it", nobody gives a fuck about knowing stuff before it happens. Which is exactly what's so creepy about these Dark Knight fanboys.

No surprise really, as DC fanboys are the most vocal online, while Marvel got the short end of the stick by selling the most.

Worth the wait, Superman Returns....biggest pile of shit ever.

So "feel good" trumps something that people clearly took time making, working up anticipation for, and which happens to be one of the biggest films (and critically successful to boot) of all time?

Yeah, you make no fucking sense. Who's the fanboy? ::)

TDK was a sequel to a very liked Batman Begins. Plus the joker died! It wasn't some dc fanboys sweating down their pits that made TDK a hit, it was the Begins + Death combo.

Remember how Avatar had little real hype?  Anyway that's besides the point. Sequels do big bucks depending on the originals, and people loved Iron Man 1 and it was actually a much bigger hit than Begins, so maybe it can do without Robert Downey Jr dying in order to match TDK numbers.

And look, There has been like what? One harry potter each year and a half? And all of them make kinda the same money TDK does. It's really no different here, there's already a fuck ton of material written, all you have to do is adapt stories.

If Batman takes longer, is really because Cristopher Nolan makes other movies in between Batmans, not because the actual movies take longer to make.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 03:07:23 AM
Movie screened tonight.

It takes place prior to Incredible Hulk.

Apparently there's more Nick Fury and he does a lot to recruit IM into the Avengers.

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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 03:08:15 AM
So there's a gay sex scene? :drool
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 03:13:43 AM
Miss typed that. He apparently does a lot more than just try to recruit IM.

There's also some kind of reference to "another" Avengers potential, which is probably Hulk.

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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2010, 03:54:04 AM
I liked the first IM but wasn't gay for it or anything.

Why is the internet compelled to hate slightly nice things??
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Post by: Raban on April 25, 2010, 04:00:37 AM
Why, is it internet-fad to hate Iron Man 2 like it was to love Iron Man 1?

Iron Man was a forgettable action film with Downey sleeping through yet another role and Iron Man 2 looks to be the same, will see it to watch Rourke and Rockwell, just like I saw the first for Bridges.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 07:18:20 AM
This was on Superhero Hype:
Quote
SFX Magazine's March issue features an interview with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige in which he talks more about the studio's upcoming projects and makes one fairly big reveal.

Feige talked about how Iron Man, Iron Man 2 (May 7), Thor (May 6, 2011) and The First Avenger: Captain America (July 22, 2011) will lay the foundation for what should be the ultimate superhero epic - The Avengers (May 4, 2012).

"It's fun now, and we're introducing some new characters in ['Iron Man 2']," he told the magazine. "But it's not about just cramming in lots of new people; that's sort of the cardinal sin of the sequel - adding in too many characters. This is totally Tony Stark's story. And that's gonna weave into Thor's story, and Steve Rogers' story, and it's already ingrained with Nick Fury's story and an organization known as S.H.I.E.L.D."

He says that it is important to first focus on each character. "My only concern is that when we launch a franchise--whichever character's franchise that may be--it should stand on its own two feet... So by the time 'The Avengers' comes in 2012, it's not just a team superhero movie with a bunch of characters with powers. It's three people - four including the Hulk; five including Nick Fury - who you've seen before in other movies, coming together for the very first time."

Catch that Hulk bit? Feige also said that he won't rule out the possibility of a second Incredible Hulk film with Edward Norton. "That would be post-'Avengers,' if it happened... I think there's a chance. It's certainly our intention to use the same actors from film to film where we can."

Feige was asked it will be difficult to meld the fantasy of Thor with the high-tech science fiction in Iron Man and The Avengers. "No," he said, "because we're doing the Jack Kirby/Stan Lee/Walt Simonson/J. Michael Straczynski 'Thor.' We're not doing the blow-the-dust-off-of-the-old-Norse-book-in-your-library 'Thor.' And in the 'Thor' of the Marvel Universe, there's a race called the Asgardians. And we're linked through this Tree of Life that we're unaware of. It's real science, but we don't know about it yet. The 'Thor' movie is about teaching people that."


All the people panicing OMG TOO MANY CHARACTERS can shut up. The people who saw IM2 tonight confirmed that it's not like Spider-Man 3 with too many added characters.

That story also finally confirmed Hulk in Avengers and a possible second Norton Hulk movie.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 08:26:14 AM
IIRC the plan following Avengers is to have the characters appearing in each others movies like how Cap was in the original opening to Incredible Hulk. They want Avengers to establish that they all work together, so characters like Cap and Nick Fury can then show up in the IM and Hulk sequels as well as the smaller movies they're planning.

Major characters like Iron Man get $200 mil budgets, but they're planning Dr. Strange, Luke Cage, and Black Panther as smaller $40-60 mil movies and they want the bigger characters to show up there.

And you're a fucking idiot if you think DC doesn't want to do the same. Clark Kent was going to show up in Green Lantern, but the Superman lawsuit killed that real fast.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2010, 09:46:28 AM
Iron Man 2 is before Hulk? Wha? What is the order to all these movies in this series?
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk

Parts of Thor may take place before all of them, but the stuff on Earth is definitely after IM2.

The WWII stuff in Cap is naturally before those first three.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 10:21:19 PM
Wow, Marvel's already hard at work making their continuity wonky as fuck. Nice.
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Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 10:30:36 PM
Can Warner Bros. actually make another Superman film or are they screwed until the lawsuit is resolved?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 25, 2010, 10:38:31 PM
I believe they have until 2012 or something like that to make another Superman flick. That's why it's on the fast track. After that, they have to reach some kind of licensing deal with the estate.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 25, 2010, 11:14:10 PM
Best hopes for WB is to make hit a homerun with the next Superman movie, like they did with Batman. Which will give them the upper hand when negotiating for the license, when it gets taken away from their hands.

Their complacency with the superman franchise is going to cost them hard. They have 2 years and change to come out with a script, get a director, a cast, and a have it all green lit and with a heavy budget behind it that will allow it to shoot next year, and release in 2012.

Not seeing it really. And fact is, they lose superman, they lose half of their properties selling power, unless Green Lantern turns a hit. And the Justice League, never happening without Superman.

At least Marvel has all the main Avengers within their control. 
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 01:32:21 AM
The whole superman franchise is a mess. Although Quentin Tarantino says Superman Returns is the greatest super hero movie ever made. lolol
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 01:34:15 AM
At least he didn't say it was Spider-Man 2 :-[
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 01:50:55 AM
At least he didn't say it was Spider-Man 2 :-[
I'd rather rewatch a fanboyish love letter to Richard Donner than any of the Spider-Man movies. Real Talk.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 01:57:43 AM
Real talk. Accept no substitutes. :bow

But I'd still rather forget Spider-Man 3 or Superman Returns exist.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2010, 05:21:25 AM
Superman Returns>>>Batman Begins
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 05:24:24 AM
No.
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Post by: brawndolicious on April 26, 2010, 05:45:19 AM
No.
In what way?  And don't give me that majority opinion bullshit mr.fucking film school cigarillo sir, they're both boring movies but batman
just has faggier fans.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 05:49:06 AM
Majority opinion has nothing to do with it. Superman Returns was forgettable, mediocre and, frankly (at the time anyway) hella disappointing. Batman Begins, while not the end-all be-all, is still a very good film with solid performances, a good screenplay, etc. None of which I felt Returns really had. You don't need a film school education™ to see that one is a well made film and the other is mostly fanwank with a very, very shoddy script that needed a few more passes before production.

EDIT - Oh fuck, I'm halfway asleep and didn't even notice I was responding to am nintenho. Disregard the above. Supermanz is fo' fagz, yo.
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Post by: brawndolicious on April 26, 2010, 06:10:54 AM
You're comparing two pieces of fanwank, one that might have catered to your little post-modern comic book fantasies but both are not anything more ambitious nerdy peepshow fanwank.

Superman returns at least was a tribute of the old films and so was at least derivative of something good in that regard, while batman begins skullfucked the idea of a comic book movie and tried to put itself on the pedestal of realism and such emotional bullshits that only a slack-jawed, house-ridden nerd could unsheathe his dick over, and thus became a critical success.

And there is no way that you could get your name printed on the diploma of a fucking accredited university and believe that bale's voice when in costume was a good idea.
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Post by: Raban on April 26, 2010, 06:37:44 AM
You're comparing two pieces of fanwank, one that might have catered to your little post-modern comic book fantasies but both are not anything more ambitious nerdy peepshow fanwank.

Superman returns at least was a tribute of the old films and so was at least derivative of something good in that regard, while batman begins skullfucked the idea of a comic book movie and tried to put itself on the pedestal of realism and such emotional bullshits that only a slack-jawed, house-ridden nerd could unsheathe his dick over, and thus became a critical success.

And there is no way that you could get your name printed on the diploma of a fucking accredited university and believe that bale's voice when in costume was a good idea.

tbh Nolan didn't do this. Batman Begins was only copying Frank Miller's take on the character. Also, I'm sorry, Superman Returns was fucking terrible. To explain it any further is ridiculous.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 26, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Lol at the thought of Superman Returns, of all super hero movies being better than Spiderman 2. You should really drop that dosage of DC kool aid, christ.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2010, 08:37:18 AM
Man, EB really gets worked up every time a superhero movie is brought up. Everyone likes to be all cool about it like they don't really care and it's all forgettable popcorn fare and not the sticky-sweet realization of their every pre-teen fantasy...until their fave gets dissed and the lists come out :lol

If Iron Man is so goddamn fluffy and forgettable why on EARTH do we all still talk about it 2 years later, at the slightest provocation? Just admit it bitches, you love it.

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Post by: Solo on April 26, 2010, 10:04:24 AM
This will be crap just like the first one. I can only hope that Sam Rockwell's presence makes it a fun kind of crap.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 10:13:34 AM
Spider-Man 2 is a far better as super hero movie but Superman Returns is more interesting as a film to watch. I can't watch any of the Spider-Man movies anymore, they bore me. Especially the first. The first and to a lesser extent the second feel so much like the modern standard super hero movie formula that has grown extremely tired. The third at least has the so bad it's good quality too it at least. Superman Returns is semi-enjoyable to watch as a piece of fanboyish Richard Donner homages. Not anywhere near as great as Tarantino proclaims it as though.

In fact they only really good super hero comic based movies of the modern era I would say are really good are the two Batman's and X-Men 2.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 26, 2010, 10:44:47 AM
Spiderman 2 is the only close to perfect super hero movie we have.

I mean seriously, Batmans have more interesting characters and more complex plots. Sure.

And whether Superman Returns is a fanboy homage or not, doesn't really fucking matter because it's garbage. Now why do i say that Spiderman 2 is a close to perfect super hero movie? Because for starters Peter Parker will always be a much better conceived gateway between the audience and the hero, than some God like Superman or billionaires like Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne. And then, you know, Spiderman 2 actually does super hero stuff in it, larger than life, edge of your seat "maybe he will not make it" stuff.

Where is that in the other movies? See the problem with Batman is that, undeniably he was the least interesting part of TDK, half of the audience was rooting for The Joker. In that sense, TDK could've been the close to perfect super villain movie. In X Men 2, well...there really is nothing super hero about any of it. Superman returns is lol worthy in that respect. And Iron Man, look Iron Man ain't about no super hero, it's about man's fascination with badass iron armors, that shoot lasers and shit.

Fuck, Blade 2 does the super hero stuff better than those. 
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Post by: Solo on April 26, 2010, 10:50:38 AM
Spiderman 2 is the only close to perfect super hero movie we have.
 

This is about the only thing I've ever agreed with you on  :lol :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
If Iron Man is so goddamn fluffy and forgettable why on EARTH do we all still talk about it 2 years later, at the slightest provocation? Just admit it bitches, you love it.

Well, there is that sequel coming out in a few weeks.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 11:24:21 AM
Spiderman 2 is the only close to perfect super hero movie we have.

I mean seriously, Batmans have more interesting characters and more complex plots. Sure.
 
That is where the problem is for me. I find the normal super hero formula incredibly boring. The Nolan Batman movies are more crime dramas that just happen to have a super hero in them, and Superman Returns in its own (far less effective) way is a polar opposite of a super hero movie. Superman doesn't fit anyone and it's more about being a dead beat dad than it is about super heroes. Which is why I found it more interesting than the Spider-Man/etc movies.

I just plain find traditional super hero movies a bore after seeing so many, when a movie breaks from that formula like Nolan's Batman movies did and Superman Returns did that is what catches my attention.

Same for X-Men 2. I also really really love Batman Returns.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 26, 2010, 11:28:44 AM
Spider-Man 2 is garbage. I hate that the myth of it being good is still being pushed around. Seeing it was probably a worse experience than Spider-Man 3 because I had such high hopes.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 11:30:31 AM
The only super hero movies I actually really like and enjoy are (no order):
Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Batman Returns, Batman (1966 version), Superman: The Movie (and the DC cut of Superman II), X-Men 2.

Nothing else is worth mentioning. And yes I LOVE the '66 Batman. It's fantastic.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 26, 2010, 11:34:41 AM
I'm in love with Hellboy 2. my personal top fav.
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Post by: Solo on April 26, 2010, 11:41:28 AM
You love Watchmen, fistful. If anyones pushing a myth, its you.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 26, 2010, 11:45:31 AM
i don't love Watchmen. I like it. Mostly for Billy Crudup's performance.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 11:48:04 AM
It's amazing how quickly people forgot Watchmen. It came out only last year and no one ever talks about it anymore. What a forgettable messy film.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 26, 2010, 11:49:44 AM
Watchmen > Spider-Man 2
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Post by: Solo on April 26, 2010, 11:50:47 AM
It's amazing how quickly people forgot Watchmen. It came out only last year and no one ever talks about it anymore. What a forgettable messy film.

Thats what happens to overhyped and ultimately crappy movies. Ive never read the comic so I went in with no prior attachments, and I thought it was poor on pretty much every level.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Watchmen > Spider-Man 2
I am not a big fan of Spider-Man 2 but....lol.

It's amazing how quickly people forgot Watchmen. It came out only last year and no one ever talks about it anymore. What a forgettable messy film.

Thats what happens to overhyped and ultimately crappy movies. Ive never read the comic so I went in with no prior attachments, and I thought it was poor on pretty much every leve.
Same here. The movie has basically turned me off ever reading the comic, not that I have ever read comics before in the first place.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 11:55:31 AM
Why would a bad film turn you off to reading what is widely considered a landmark graphic novel, and the only one one to ever win the Hugo Award? That's silly.

That's like me saying, "Man, I'm never going to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy after that mediocre, unfunny film adaptation!"
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Post by: Solo on April 26, 2010, 11:56:44 AM
Because while the movie may have bungled whatever the book was striving for, the fact that so many have called it a faithful adaptation leads me to believe that the source material wouldnt do it for me either.

That and Ive only read like 2 comic books in my whole life.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 26, 2010, 11:57:53 AM
I watched the animated Black Freighter short recently and I feel it's better than Watchmen. Butler did some great narration.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
It's faithful in that it carries over a lot of the material, but how it is presented is completely different on account that Alan Moore wrote it for a completely different medium than film.

Again, silly nonsense.

I mean, I at least had the good sense to read all those crappy Harry Potter novels before ragging on both the films and books. Why revel in ignorance?
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
I wouldn't have read it anyway even if it is great. I can't read comics. They give me a headache, not a fan of the format. I tried to read Watchmen once but couldn't last more than like 2 pages. The comic format is not my cup of tea.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 12:27:04 PM
How do you get a headache from reading?!
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Post by: Third on April 26, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
Donald Duck is the only comic I've ever read.
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Post by: Veidt on April 26, 2010, 12:29:15 PM
Spider-Man 2 is a far better as super hero movie but Superman Returns is more interesting as a film to watch. I can't watch any of the Spider-Man movies anymore, they bore me. Especially the first. The first and to a lesser extent the second feel so much like the modern standard super hero movie formula that has grown extremely tired. The third at least has the so bad it's good quality too it at least. Superman Returns is semi-enjoyable to watch as a piece of fanboyish Richard Donner homages. Not anywhere near as great as Tarantino proclaims it as though.

In fact they only really good super hero comic based movies of the modern era I would say are really good are the two Batman's and X-Men 2.
I agree with this. Superman Returns is exactly that.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 12:30:45 PM
How do you get a headache from reading?!
Comics, not reading in general. 

It's just not my thing. I love movies, I love music, I love TV. I don't like comics, I don't like video games, I don't like anime. It's not a big deal.

Also it doesn't hurt for me that Superman Returns is a sequel to the Donner movies. Which is the only Superman I know of. I never seen the animated series, never saw Superman III or IV and I clearly never read the comics. All I know is the Donner Superman. That's Superman to me.
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Post by: Veidt on April 26, 2010, 12:34:50 PM
I've watched the animated series, loved the superman in those.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 12:35:33 PM
Superman Returns is awful.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 12:43:05 PM
Watching Superman I & II all the time as a kid makes it hard not to love stuff like this:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n59WAWD7dqE[/youtube]
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 12:44:33 PM
Glad to know that your favorite thing about the movie is the opening credits. :lol
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 12:46:13 PM
Glad to know that your favorite thing about the movie is the opening credits. :lol
It actually is my favorite part.  :lol

Like I said, its shit as a super hero movie, enjoyable as 2 hours of masturbation to Richard Donner.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 12:49:44 PM
It's pretty much "shit" just as a movie.
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Post by: Diunx on April 26, 2010, 01:04:40 PM
SR is pretty much shit no matter which way you look at it, its probably one of the worse waste of money I have seem in my life.

And Solo Watchmen was not a faithful adaptation of the book at all, some distinguished mentally-challenged fellows just see some scene lifted directly from the panels and start barfing that shit, the movie is a piece of crap and the book is a masterwork of the medium.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2010, 01:05:02 PM
Superman Returns probably would have been better if it weren't just a boring retread of Superman: The Movie.
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Post by: Third on April 26, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
I thought Superman Returns was better than Batman Begins. Dark Knight is better than both. And Iron Man is better than all of them.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 26, 2010, 01:07:38 PM
I think Incredible Hulk was better than BB.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 26, 2010, 01:09:26 PM
Spiderman 2 is the only close to perfect super hero movie we have.
 

This is about the only thing I've ever agreed with you on  :lol :lol


More than enough! We gotta keep it interesting.
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Post by: Diunx on April 26, 2010, 01:11:17 PM
Incredible Hulk is better than Lee's Hulk, I don't get the hate.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 26, 2010, 01:13:58 PM
Why would a bad film turn you off to reading what is widely considered a landmark graphic novel, and the only one one to ever win the Hugo Award? That's silly.

That's like me saying, "Man, I'm never going to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy after that mediocre, unfunny film adaptation!"

Regarding Watchmen.

Tried reading it, but then those animated and voiced videos of the graphic novel came out, like some sort of...audiobook or something, and i ended up seeing that instead. I thought it was amazing.

Then i watched the movie. Seeing Snyder's inability to adapt the graphic novel to the movie format was painful.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2010, 01:17:41 PM
I thought Superman Returns was better than Batman Begins. Dark Knight is better than both. And Iron Man is better than all of them.

Iron Man's got Downey's great performance, but not much else aside from that. There story's not that great, the villains are campy, and there's only three short action scenes in the entire movie. I like it more than Superman Returns though.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 01:27:01 PM
This is getting hard to keep up with.  :lol  SOOOOO


ULTIMATE RANKING SHITZ OF ALL LIVE ACTION SUPER HERO MOVIES I'VE SEEN BASED ON COMICS AND WHATEVER I FEEL LIKE INCLUDING AS I RANDOMLY PUT THIS TOGETHER OR WHATEVER.
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Batman Returns
Superman
Batman '66
Batman
X-Men 2
Superman 2 (Richard Donner Cut, haven't seen the original since I was like 7)
Ninja Turtles
Spider-Man 2
Superman Returns
Iron Man
X-Men
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin (Yes Batman & Robin over a bunch of others, it is so terrible I kind of like it.)
Incredible Hulk
Ninja Turtles 2
Spider-Man
Hulk
Spider-Man 3
X-Men 3
Daredevil
Ninja Turtles 3
Wolverine

:bow :bow :bow :bow

I am too lazy to put in the Hellboys and Fantastic Fours so fuck 'em.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2010, 01:45:24 PM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/aquamansm.png)
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 02:07:26 PM
I am curious how the critical reaction to this is going to be, critics loved the the first one.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
Why would a bad film turn you off to reading what is widely considered a landmark graphic novel, and the only one one to ever win the Hugo Award? That's silly.

That's like me saying, "Man, I'm never going to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy after that mediocre, unfunny film adaptation!"

:bow

The book is probably THE hallmark of comics, and one of my favorite pieces of fiction I've ever read. The movie is a forgettable, messy piece of empty fanwank. But that shouldn't stop people from checking out the source.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 02:33:44 PM
Hey. I've read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Too bad about the movie though because the cast was absolutely perfect.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 02:35:32 PM
The Hitchhiker's movie wasn't so bad. I particularly liked that they went with Jim Henson puppets instead of ugly CG. That alone makes it at least admirable. :bow

Plus, ya know, Sam Rockwell. :bow :bow
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 02:42:19 PM
The Hitchhiker's movie wasn't so bad. I particularly liked that they went with Jim Henson puppets instead of ugly CG. That alone makes it at least admirable. :bow

Plus, ya know, Sam Rockwell. :bow :bow
Yeah, the movie wasn't horrible. I loved Sam Rockwell in it. He was by far the best part. And the dude from the office was literally the only person who could play Arthur Dent. Same with Alan Rickman as the robot. No one else alive was more perfect then them.

And of course Jim Henson's puppets > cgi.  :bow
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2010, 02:43:03 PM
The Hitchhiker's movie wasn't so bad. I particularly liked that they went with Jim Henson puppets instead of ugly CG. That alone makes it at least admirable. :bow

Plus, ya know, Sam Rockwell. :bow :bow

Yeah, the movie was okay, but it felt like it rushed through a lot of things.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 02:43:52 PM
As a Hitchhiker's film it was a bit disappointing, but it still works on its own fairly well. Whereas Watchmen pretty much just feels like a big, expensive ad for the book you either have already read or have no interest in reading.
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Post by: Raban on April 26, 2010, 02:45:47 PM
Hey. I've read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Too bad about the movie though because the cast was absolutely perfect.

A lot of folks don't agree with me on this. Seriously, the only great thing about that movie was the amazing cast. They all worked so well together. Too bad the movie was kind of disappointing.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 02:50:47 PM
Yeah I agree its better than Watchmen. Not great, but watchable and decent. But such a great cast :bow

I watched like half of it on tv a few months ago again, not half-bad. If the second book was ever made into a film I would have seen it.

Seriously name one person better suited to Zaphod not named Sam Rockwell, or Alan Rickman for Marvin, or the office dude for Arthurt Dent, or Zooey Deschanel for Trillian. There isn't anybody.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 26, 2010, 02:51:40 PM
I saw it like three times in theaters for some reason. I didn't even like it that much, I guess there just wasn't anything else out at the time. :spin
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Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
I saw it like three times in theaters for some reason. I didn't even like it that much, I guess there just wasn't anything else out at the time. :spin

More times than Avatar.  8)
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 01:14:39 AM
Early word I've been hearing coming out of screenings is that this film stinks. And that's from people who really dug the first one, too.

This is my shocked face :hurr
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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2010, 01:15:28 AM
WELL WHAT ABOUT HARRY KNOWLES, HE LIKED IT. :smug
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 01:21:52 AM
Harry Knowles is all-knowing and wise :bow

He'll give a rave review if the theater he saw it at served his popcorn butter at a decent temperature :lol
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2010, 01:36:13 AM
TDK>>>>>>>>>>Spiderman 2
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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2010, 01:37:36 AM
TDK>>>>>>>>>>Spiderman 2
That is a pretty common opinion sir.
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Post by: Diunx on April 27, 2010, 02:21:25 AM
I hope that the Thor cameo at the end is true, speaking of Thor weren't the first official pics suppose to come out this month?
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 03:08:19 AM
Thor stuff is probably being saved for Comic Con seeing as how they've just started filming it.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 03:26:46 AM
Bendis liked it:
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the movie is a home run. you'll see. funny, exciting. like the dark knight its a full super hero meal but with fun loving tony.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
Wow, one of the main honchos at Marvel liked a Marvel production of a Marvel property? Must be a home run. ::)

Fuck, even Edgar Wright struggled to find something nice to say about it. Film is a hot mess.
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Post by: Ichirou on April 27, 2010, 03:32:53 AM
Robert Downey Jr's career is officially over.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 03:33:09 AM
Wow a director of a hipster comic book movie struggled to say something nice about a comic book movie that'll make 100x more money than Scott Pilgrim? I'm shocked.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 03:35:50 AM
What does Iron Man 2 probably making more money than Scott Pilgrim have to do with anything? I doubt Wright's catching feelings about fucking Iron Man of all films :lol

The fact that you used a Bendis quote is ridiculous though. That's like me quoting an executive at Warners saying Superman Returns was the best film of the 2006. It doesn't mean anything.
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Post by: Ichirou on April 27, 2010, 03:37:11 AM
He's also going to direct Ant-Man, so it's to his benefit to stay in Marvel's good graces, and even then he had to struggle to say something good about the movie.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 03:39:09 AM
Wright on Iron Man 2: "Well, Sam Rockwell was funny in it."

That's the best thing he could say about it. And Wright is hardly a film snob. Iron Man 2 is d.o.a. :tbslol
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Post by: Ichirou on April 27, 2010, 03:40:52 AM
Fanboys peeing their pants in fear at the crapola that awaits them in theaters.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 08:29:59 AM
Where did Edgar Wright comment on Iron Man 2?

And why are you so happy about Iron Man 2 potentially being bad? Jesus christ, it's like you are wetting your pants  :dur
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 08:35:30 AM
Geoff Johns liked it. He has zero reason to kiss up to Marvel seeing as how he runs DC and Green Lantern is being filmed now.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 08:38:44 AM
Because all the film's flaws from what I'm hearing -- cramming too much, rushing, losing focus on the character moments to push some Avengers bullshit -- is exactly what I've been saying Marvel would do to their films since the first one dropped. I'd like nothing more than for Marvel to pull this shit and turn off audiences, thus leading to less shitty super hero films cluttering up cinemas. Or at least it might force them to actually take their time and do them the right way.

But the reality is the film will probably make money and Marvel will get to continue their quest to make comic book movies as silly and shitty as the comics themselves have become. :'(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2010, 08:43:57 AM
as the comics have BECOME?
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 08:47:27 AM
Yeah, that should probably read "have been". But these days especially with fucking "big earth-shattering events" and status quo shifts and retcons and what have you every couple weeks it seems especially apt.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 08:58:35 AM
Lol, Anime effect. Look, comic books didn't suddenly start to suck because of Marvel or DC. It just so happens you aren't twelve anymore, and certain stuff starts to lose its appeal.

Anime, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy stories, Comic Books, etc


edit:

And its twitter. Seriously, how(?) do you manage to extract negativity from this:

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Am not sure whether I'm allowed to tweet about Iron Man 2 or not. But this will not spoil anything...Sam Rockwell, once again, rocks.
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When does Rockwell not deliver? He has a bundle of fun trying to steal Downey Jnr's thunder in this. Very funny.
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We went to Iron Man w@BRIANMBENDIS n his daughter. Lots of fun. Favorite part was Black Widow. Totally got what is cool about her.
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Iron Man 2 premiere tonight!! Very fun. I love War Machine. And it's always fun seeing @brubaker and @BRIANMBENDIS. :)


Seems like this crazy ass mess that Marvel has done with the characters has really ruined them.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2010, 09:59:11 AM
Hollywood Reporter who loved the first didn't like it:

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Well, that didn't take long. Everything fun and terrific about "Iron Man," a mere two years ago, has vanished with its sequel. In its place, "Iron Man 2" has substituted noise, confusion, multiple villains, irrelevant stunts and misguided story lines.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/iron-man-2-film-review-1004086551.story

Seems like most of the reviews coming out are negative so far. Ouch. Outside of the two AICN guys that is.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 01:25:51 PM
Really weird review, the first one is so great but the guy can barely tell you what was so great about the first one. Shit, he even compares the action, are you kidding me? Action in the 1st one was like the worst action ever in an action movie.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 01:37:39 PM
Geoff Johns liked it. He has zero reason to kiss up to Marvel seeing as how he runs DC and Green Lantern is being filmed now.

That doesn't mean anything. People in the comic book industry are the last people I'd trust when it comes to their opinions on comic book film adaptations.

... sounds like this movie sucks. I called it!
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Post by: Diunx on April 27, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
I really couldn't care less about the reviews complaining about the avengers stuff and to many characters and all that crap, being a comic book nerd the flaws of this film will probably cause me a geekgasm.
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Post by: Bloodwake on April 27, 2010, 01:41:38 PM
I'm not surprised. I have zero hype for this film.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 12:44:42 PM
I really couldn't care less about the reviews complaining about the avengers stuff and to many characters and all that crap, being a comic book nerd the flaws of this film will probably cause me a geekgasm.

Other films Diunx is amped for: Ghost Rider 2, X-Men: The New Class
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 12:45:31 PM
Stop being such a wannabe snob.

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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 12:47:04 PM
I like how not anticipating what is shaping up to be a steaming pile of crap makes someone a snob. :lol
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 12:54:51 PM
It's the internet.

 :miyamoto
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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
Someone explain to me why Marvel thought doing to the super hero films what made comics become such a niche market thanks to endlessly complicated continuity and over-lap between series' confusing people and only pleasing the hardcore fans would be a smart move?

It has clearly turned off critics who praised the original.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 01:12:18 PM
u mad?
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 01:13:45 PM
Critics don't matter.

We are talking about a summer popcorn movie. Seriously, since when do critics matter? If Marvel goes home with the money, then they go home with the money.
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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2010, 01:14:38 PM
Critics don't matter.

We are talking about a summer popcorn movie. Seriously, since when do critics matter? If Marvel goes home with the money, then they go home with the money.
Yes because Marvel making money is what matters, not if its a good movie.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 01:19:34 PM
You talked about Marvel...for them what matters is how much commercial success something can have, obviously.

As far as i'm concerned, i only want my super hero movies to be big, fun, action packed. That's the whole point of making a goddamn super hero movie, to me.

I loved Transformers for example. Hated transformers 2 though. So i hope this is more Transformers 1 like, than it is Transformers 2.

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Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2010, 01:35:15 PM
Critics don't matter.

We are talking about a summer popcorn movie. Seriously, since when do critics matter? If Marvel goes home with the money, then they go home with the money.
Yes because Marvel making money is what matters, not if its a good movie.

You're the one who framed the question as whether it's a "smart move" by Marvel.
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Post by: Diunx on April 27, 2010, 01:38:19 PM
I really couldn't care less about the reviews complaining about the avengers stuff and to many characters and all that crap, being a comic book nerd the flaws of this film will probably cause me a geekgasm.

Other films Diunx is amped for: Ghost Rider 2, X-Men: The New Class

:patel
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
Iron Man 2 will do $400 million easily. Doesn't matter how good or how bad it is.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 01:47:35 PM
Don't see the movie doing more than 700 million worldwide.
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Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2010, 01:54:24 PM
they're really doing an xmen first class?

that's kind of cool
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 02:07:42 PM
they're really doing an xmen first class?

that's kind of cool

It will suck.
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Post by: Veidt on April 27, 2010, 02:17:50 PM
they're really doing an xmen first class?

that's kind of cool

It will suck.
I agree with Will here.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 02:22:33 PM
Fox's X-Men First Class characters are GAMBIT, DEADPOOL's HEAD, WHITE QUEEN, and CYCLOPS
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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2010, 02:41:05 PM
As much as I am not a fan of marvels direction I much rather them do that franchise than fox. Fox ran that franchise into the ground. :-X
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Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2010, 02:45:02 PM
Fox's X-Men First Class characters are GAMBIT, DEADPOOL's HEAD, WHITE QUEEN, and CYCLOPS

in other words nothing at all like the comic

will suck

hard
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Post by: Diunx on April 27, 2010, 02:56:01 PM
Thats not true, is just manabyte being manabyte, the characters will probably be the same except no angel or iceman.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 27, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
ITT: WrikaWrek fails at damage control :teehee
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Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
Thats not true, is just manabyte being manabyte, the characters will probably be the same except no angel or iceman.

as the man doesn't seem to post anything other than news from other entertainment sources i thought treating him as a sort of entertainment spamgregator would be pretty safe
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 03:36:17 PM
Professor X won't be in First Class. To save money they'll just have a Charlie's Angels intercom so Patrick Stewart can just phone in his lines.
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 27, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
ITT: WrikaWrek fails at damage control :teehee

No damage control here.

Cheebs started the whole "Marvel direction" talk. I am very interested in watching the movie, and reviews have done literally nothing to sway me from seeing it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2010, 06:30:04 PM
I like how not anticipating what is shaping up to be a steaming pile of crap makes someone a snob. :lol

Just whip out the "Transformers" defense Willco!
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 06:31:31 PM
I don't think I even called anyone a snob then!
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 28, 2010, 08:10:51 AM
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/iron_man_2/


So far so good. IGn review was good too, it seems like yes it's not a great movie, but it's the big loud fun sequel that i wanted it to be.
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Post by: Yeti on April 28, 2010, 09:08:22 AM
If it's better than Spider-Man 3 I'll be fine.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 28, 2010, 02:01:18 PM
Iron Man was really good for a comic book movie and completely lacked the overwhelming pretentiousness that Dark Knight (and Batman Begins) was plagued with. It knew it was based on a COMIC BOOK and didn't try to be anything but. Incredible Hulk was about the same, while at the same time doing some great callbacks to the 70s TV series. So with those two, Marvel Studios was 2 for 2 so far.

And what I like about comics is that with Marvel and DC they take place in the same universe. Metropolis and Gotham aren't in their own little bubbles which gives the opportunity for Supes and Batman to team up. In Marvel if you're a superhero who has a scientific problem you can't solve, you'd probably take it to Reed Richards even if you weren't in the Fantastic Four book. I love that Marvel Studios is doing that with the movies now. I love that they're no longer in their own little self-contained universes.

I can't help but think how awesome it would be if Marvel Studios really does take over Spider-Man, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four so the three main "New York" Marvel books could cross over in the movies. Spidey and Daredevil always cross paths in the books and it'd be awesome if one of them could creep into the other's territory in the movies (Daredevil in Manhattan or Spidey in Hell's Kitchen).

Cap's shield in Iron Man was just the start, and I can't wait for The Avengers (despite it probably being cancelled due to low ratings):
(http://i39.tinypic.com/nouag4.jpg)
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 28, 2010, 11:28:31 PM
Manabyte is right :omg
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2010, 02:30:56 AM
The only thing Avengers has going against it so far is Whedon. But Incredible Hulk turned out OK with a shit director and that was mostly due to Marcel Studios controlling it so much even to the point of not allowing Norton his preferred cut of the movie.

It's like after Avi Arad killed the Spider-Man franchise Marvel muzzled him and decided to do the movies right.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2010, 05:54:28 PM
Watching Incredible Hulk now for the first time since I saw it in theaters and I completely forgot about all the "Stark Industries" stuff in it.

:bow Marvel Studios :bow2

:bow Lou Ferrigno as HULK SMASH :bow2
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 29, 2010, 07:37:01 PM
Saw it, loved it.

Don't understand the hate at all. Everything good about the character in the first one is here, except it has better villains, better action, its funnier, bigger and more prone to give you nerd pleasure.

Fuck the haters.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on April 29, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
Beautiful and Intelligent :heart
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2010, 07:44:06 PM
Saw it, loved it.

Don't understand the hate at all. Everything good about the character in the first one is here, except it has better villains, better action, its funnier, bigger and more prone to give you nerd pleasure.

Fuck the haters.

:rock

Marvel Studios is 3 for 3!

Only one more year until THOR and then CAP!
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Post by: Ganhyun on April 29, 2010, 10:38:29 PM
Cap's shield was in Iron Man?
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Post by: Diunx on April 29, 2010, 10:46:48 PM
Gonna catch this next Wednesday, can't wait :hyper
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2010, 10:48:57 PM
Cap's shield was in Iron Man?

See the pic above. Not sure how that fits in continuity - Cap used it in WWII so doesn't make sense that Tony made it. Maybe they intend to have Cap use his old triangular shield in WWII in the movies, then have Tony give him his new circular one when he wakes up in modern times. Yes, I have a raging boner right now.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 29, 2010, 11:41:22 PM
Dunno if it was suggested that Tony made it, just that it was something he had hanging around his shop (if you squinted).
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2010, 11:55:39 PM
It's partially built, right? Unless Tony is trying to reverse-engineer it or something, it sure looks to me like he's building it. My boner is undiminished by your post.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 30, 2010, 12:26:53 AM
Well, I'd hate to get between you and your boner, it's passing easter egg I guess there's no real story yet behind something that takes up a couple frames at most.

I just took it to be a relic as it's often portrayed in the comics.
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Post by: cool breeze on April 30, 2010, 12:31:46 AM
I thought Iron Man 2 comes out next friday?
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Post by: ManaByte on April 30, 2010, 03:07:48 AM
Screenings started this week.

As for Caps shield I believe the intention was that Stark was reverse engineering it or trying to improve it somehow.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 30, 2010, 12:54:00 PM
Posted in the Movie News topic, but one more step towards the AVENGERS:
(http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/thorreveal.jpg)
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 30, 2010, 01:17:56 PM
Who's the queer?
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 30, 2010, 03:05:48 PM
I really like that it looks so close to the comic book.

Also regarding caps shield (Iron Man 2 spoilers)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
it's in Iron Man 2, not just in the background
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Post by: Diunx on April 30, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Its also out in Latin America :bow2
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2010, 06:20:46 PM
Oh well, there's no Bond movie out this year so I guess my blockbuster hate beam will focus on Iron Man 2

looks shitty
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Post by: WrikaWrek on April 30, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
 :supergay
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 30, 2010, 07:22:59 PM
Screenings started this week.

As for Caps shield I believe the intention was that Stark was reverse engineering it or trying to improve it somehow.

So I take it in continuity, he's been revived at this point? Do they mention him at all in Iron Man 2?
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Post by: Diunx on April 30, 2010, 07:59:10 PM
I haven't seem the movie but I don't think he's been revived yet, I think they are going with the angle of Stark being a Captain America fanboy.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 01, 2010, 04:17:04 PM
I just bought a 24 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper and all 24 cans have Black Widow on them  :hump
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 01, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
I just bought a 24 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper and all 24 cans have Black Widow on them  :hump

My 24-pack from Costco has Iron Man on all the cans. You'd think they'd be random.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 02, 2010, 02:13:27 AM
The cameo after the credits:
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Mjolnir
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Post by: WrikaWrek on May 02, 2010, 04:24:41 PM
Made over 100 million in 5 days already.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 03, 2010, 02:39:44 PM
And that's before the US release.
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Post by: G The Resurrected on May 03, 2010, 02:42:21 PM
I'll be adding $45 bucks towards its earnings come friday night. I don't have high hopes of it being fantastic but I loved the first movie. How do they explain rodey's new looks? Atkins diet? or do they say nothing at all?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 03, 2010, 03:11:37 PM
My local comic book shop is selling Opening Day tickets for $9 a pop, and a bunch of free giveaways to boot. So I picked up two tickets there.
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Post by: GilloD on May 04, 2010, 09:24:09 PM
Saw it last night. The Koreans didn't laugh or shout, maybe it's the subtitles? Anyway, it's pretty good! Spoilers and kevtching below:

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The whole MY BLOOD IS BEING POISIONED subplot is a huge fucking waste of time. I like the tension it brought and I like the dilemma it proposes, but it gets solved the most off-hand deus ex machina in a major motion picture in years. It also eats up ridiculous amounts of screen time I'd rather have seen spent on any of the 4 other, better plots.

Not enough Mickey ROurke. The final WHiplash fight is, literally, like 40 seconds long. He's the best character in the movie, those whips are fucking awesome, but then he barely shows up.

Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer! Good stuff. He's best when they give him more to do than be mad at Tony Stark.

In general the movie feels kind of over stuffed, which is weird because there's not that much going on. A few of the subplots are over-inflated and everything else is kind of anemic. But it still moves along at a fair clip and we get to see a lot of odds and ends and funny gizmos, so. The Black Widow sequence is amazing and awesome and a really nice treat.

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Post by: GilloD on May 04, 2010, 09:32:09 PM
I honestly can't tell from the previews if this movie actually has a plot.

You'd be surprised how plot-less it is. I was really amazed when Downey & Favreau were like NO IRON MAN 3 THANKS because the 2nd movie just feels like a lot of foreshadowing of Tony's future problems/
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Post by: WrikaWrek on May 04, 2010, 10:11:05 PM
I honestly can't tell from the previews if this movie actually has a plot.

Well, there's Tony Stark's thang which his about this blood disease, and that ties into The Avengers characters and his late father.

Then you have villain plot, Hammer wants to throw down Tony Stark and he employs Wiplash, a man who challenged Tony and is in possession of the kind of Tech Hammer wanted to have but didn't.

That's it.
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Post by: GilloD on May 04, 2010, 10:17:13 PM
I honestly can't tell from the previews if this movie actually has a plot.

Well, there's Tony Stark's thang which his about this blood disease, and that ties into The Avengers characters and his late father.

Then you have villain plot, Hammer wants to throw down Tony Stark and he employs Wiplash, a man who challenged Tony and is in possession of the kind of Tech Hammer wanted to have but didn't.

That's it.

There's also a lot about Tony's problems with his ego, drinking and generally maintaining control of his life
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Post by: WrikaWrek on May 04, 2010, 10:22:49 PM
I honestly can't tell from the previews if this movie actually has a plot.

Well, there's Tony Stark's thang which his about this blood disease, and that ties into The Avengers characters and his late father.

Then you have villain plot, Hammer wants to throw down Tony Stark and he employs Wiplash, a man who challenged Tony and is in possession of the kind of Tech Hammer wanted to have but didn't.

That's it.

There's also a lot about Tony's problems with his ego, drinking and generally maintaining control of his life

Well, sure. But that's not a plot.

That's just Tony being his awesome self.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also the Deus Ex stunt pulled, man i was all for it. Because that was straight comic book, that was a REAL comic book moment. And it also brings Tony Stark a bit more into that world, this more "everything is possible" world, and i think it was just what the doctor ordered. Because it has to make sense when these characters come together in The Avengers.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on May 04, 2010, 10:26:49 PM
I want a green Manadrin!
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Post by: WrikaWrek on May 04, 2010, 10:26:56 PM
I don't see what was there to get right after the first, and i think this is the sequel that...it was supposed to be.

Have you seen the movie? See the movie.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on May 04, 2010, 10:34:34 PM
Iron Man has the worst enemies any way. Mandarin, the synobis guy in the floating wheelchair and those guys from the cartoon.

Tony Stark's best enemy has always been himself dum dum dum.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2010, 10:47:00 PM
It really sucks they didn't do this movie right.  Once the origin stuff was out of the way they should have just made a solid movie.  People* don't care about tie in crap or making sequels before the movie is already finished.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Canon obsessed nerds aren't people
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You wrote a post I agree with.  For the reason indicated in your spoiler, I do intend on spending money on a movie ticket for Iron Man 2.
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Post by: cool breeze on May 04, 2010, 10:47:44 PM
Iron Man 1 was a great origin story until the last third when shit didn't make sense.  When he reveals he is Iron Man, people should just be like "who?" what has he done at that point? he saved like a small village of arabs, destroyed some military equipment, and the only thing that would have had wide coverage was him fighting an old guy in another robot suit.  You'd expect people to be just like "no shit? ok...so shouldn't you be arrested for killing that old guy? and didn't you destroy military equipment? wait, if you found a super powered energy source that's in your chest, isn't that like a billion times more important than helping a few arabs in a metal suit?"

That weapon the old guy had was total bullshit too.  A whistle that can make anyone immobile? what? if he was gonna tard out and get in the metal suit anyway, couldn't he just turn it on and toss it towards the shield guys who came in to arrest him? then he could just be all cool about it and pretend like no one showed up.  Instead he gets in a metal suit and starts fucking shit up.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2010, 10:51:56 PM
You're overthinking it.  Most people liked Iron Man because RDJ was doing thangs.  The story was completely secondary as long as RDJ delivered the hot shit on cue.
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Post by: cool breeze on May 04, 2010, 10:54:07 PM
which is why I enjoyed it regardless of all that stuff and why I'm gonna watch Iron Man 2 expecting similar nonsense

but I still think everything up until he actually took the suit out the first time was quality
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Post by: WrikaWrek on May 04, 2010, 11:04:25 PM
I've seen the first movie, but was disappointed.  Origin stories are always a bit dissapointing though.  Too disjointed. 

Kinda more of the same here. Don't know if you'll like this one.
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Post by: Diunx on May 05, 2010, 12:33:59 AM
Awesome movie, don't get the complaints about The Avengers stuff getting in the way the only scene where they where mentioned was one of the last.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Black Widow rocked! not only was she extremely hot but the scene where she takes out the guards was great.

War Machine was fucking bad ass and Rhodes and Tony hand to hand fight in the suits was great.

Whiplash was great but I was really disappointed that they defeated him in like 30 seconds, the fight at the race track was better, but the scene before the final fight where tony and war machine where fighting all the drones was pure comic goodness.

The poison blood was by far the worse sub plot in the movie.
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The movie is really enjoyable, it has the same kind of humor of the first, more and better action, better effects and sexy Scarlet, I don't see how the fans of the first one will be disappointed by this.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 05, 2010, 12:39:39 AM
On the other hand, you loved Avatar.
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Post by: Diunx on May 05, 2010, 12:52:26 AM
And you liked Transformers.
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Post by: Ichirou on May 05, 2010, 12:58:21 AM
Double K.O.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 01:18:09 AM
 :lol
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 05, 2010, 01:33:02 AM
Hey, I didn't recommend it to anybody!
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 07, 2010, 10:51:22 AM
Who's prepared to be son i am disappoint
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2010, 11:11:59 AM
I think it's your turn Willco. Just about everyone took the Avatar bullet before you bro
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 07, 2010, 11:23:25 AM
I'm fully prepared for this being my "Transformers" :'(
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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 07, 2010, 11:42:07 AM
I have a feeling my expectations have been suitably lowered and now I'm gonna enjoy the shit out of it.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 08, 2010, 01:26:17 AM
Movie is thinner than a sheet of paper, but still better than Avatar.
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Post by: Beezy on May 08, 2010, 01:37:38 AM
Double K.O.
:lol
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 08, 2010, 01:44:37 AM
Iron Man 2

+ Humor works, far funnier than the original
+ Good casting all-around
+ Final climax is about ten times better than the original
+ Sam Rockwell for President
+ Embodies some of the best aspects of Marvel comics

- Pretty awful screenplay
- Pacing is awkward
- A ridiculously long stretch of time where nothing happens
- Stretches the suspension of disbelief
- Forced, contrived character introductions
- The lack continuity for James Rhodes' character significantly hurts the film
- Somehow abandoned Pepper Potts/Tony Stark love story from the original, reintroduces it near the end
- Embodies some of the worst aspects of Marvel comics
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 08, 2010, 01:57:34 AM
Also, I'm about to ban the meme where screenwriters introduce comic book characters by referring to their name in a phrase or sentence, because their comic book monikers are to silly for real dialogue.

"YOU WANT TO BE SOME KIND OF WAR MACHINE?"  ::)
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2010, 01:58:31 AM
is the gwyneth paltrow kept to a minimum?
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2010, 01:59:20 AM
Are there any interesting scientist characters in the film? You really can't have an action or sci fi film without such pivotal roles
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 08, 2010, 02:00:29 AM
I guess Whiplash qualifies as "interesting scientist guy" since he's coincidentally a super genius scientist!*

* I guess scientists in Russia don't brush their teeth or shower.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2010, 02:02:13 AM
Does he have a suit of armor? I'd imagine even a Russian scientist would realize fighting Iron Man in a mechanical wife beater isn't a good idea.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 08, 2010, 02:04:28 AM
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He does make his own Iron Man suit at the end, but this time - with whips! MEGA WHIPS!
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Also Sam Rockwell came dangerously close to saying, "You haven't seen the last of me!" as he was hauled away in handcuffs. Doesn't get much more comic book-y than that.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Disposable White Guy on May 08, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
Thoughts on Iron Man:

It was pretty OK.

Thoughts on Iron Man 2:

It's still pretty OK.

Edit:  Actually, I ended up liking Mickey Rourke throughout the movie more than Robert Downey Jr.  There were some pretty humorous situations between Rourke and Sam Rockwell (who totally ended up stealing the scene with all the yelling) and it's nice to see how he handled the Whiplash character.

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"Suits no good.  Men make mistake.  Droid better."
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Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 08, 2010, 06:47:24 PM
^agreed. I thought it was better than the first. They could have made the movie politically relevant with military industrial complex/drone theme expansion etc, not that it would have made the movie better

I much preferred Mickey Rourke as the bad guy in this to Jeff Bridges in the previous film
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2010, 06:50:15 PM
Now I'm hyped for how enjoyable the movie is with lower your expectations.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: cool breeze on May 12, 2010, 08:31:19 PM
I actually saw this movie a few days ago but totally forgot about it until now.  I thought it was pretty bad and I liked the first movie enough to buy it on blu-ray.  If Transformers 1 was a good movie and the drop in quality from that to Transformers 2 could be measured, that would be about the difference between Iron Man 1 and 2 for me.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: brawndolicious on May 12, 2010, 10:42:17 PM
Transformers 2 was better than the first, if you skipped all of the exposition (it had more total minutes of action than the first one).

Personally, I thought IM2 was far better than the first.

Rockwell made a good bad guy, Cheadle could actually act bad-ass, and Scarlett stole a bunch of Gwyneth Paltrow's screentime.  The movie was dumb fun but at least it embraced that.  And I hated how little they showed Starks' vices in the first one so this improved a lot in that regard.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 12, 2010, 11:19:53 PM
People who say Iron Man 2 is worse than Iron Man 1, i just shrug. But when they say it's a lot worse, then i just think people are stupid.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: ManaByte on May 13, 2010, 02:17:24 AM
I think it was better than the first if only due to a much better villain.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: cool breeze on May 13, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
Transformers 2 was better than the first, if you skipped all of the exposition (it had more total minutes of action than the first one).

Personally, I thought IM2 was far better than the first.

Rockwell made a good bad guy, Cheadle could actually act bad-ass, and Scarlett stole a bunch of Gwyneth Paltrow's screentime.  The movie was dumb fun but at least it embraced that.  And I hated how little they showed Starks' vices in the first one so this improved a lot in that regard.

I liked Transformers 2 more than the first too.  I didn't mean quality wise like that so I should probably clarify how I felt about the two movies.  Transformers 1 was a mostly coherent, bad movie with bad action.  Transformers 2 was a complete mess, bad movie, but it had entertaining action.  Iron Man 2's structure and pacing changes reminded me of that drop in quality but they didn't make the action better.  I don't think it is that much worse than Iron Man 1 (I think on the last pace or two I was hating on the second half of Iron Man 1) but at least that wasn't some a jumble of different events.

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Like, Tony's vices in this movie seemed more a result of his death.  In the first movie we see him gambling, getting with that reporter, having strippers on his plane, etc. while here he just acts while because he thinks he will die.  It would have been much better if they ignored all the SHIELD stuff, him dying, and the Daddy saving the day through planning.  I think it would have been great if what gave him stress was competition from Hammer and the government, because that way his drinking could have seemed like it was a result of intense stress.  Plus it would have given Hammer more time in the movie, and Rockwell was pretty awesome as Hammer. 
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Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 13, 2010, 12:46:46 PM
Certain death ain't stressful enuf!!!!!!!!!  :derp
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: cool breeze on May 13, 2010, 01:01:55 PM
did I not make it clear enough?

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If the reason he was drinking because he believed he was dying from his arc reactor infection, and he solved that problem at the end of the film, it is a poor way to make him seem like the alcoholic he is supposed to be.  If it was just because he felt pressured from Hammer, the government, and Mickey Rourke, they could work that into Iron Man 3 or The Avenger movie.  Would be a better and more consistent way to introduce his drinking problems than certain death.
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If you still don't understand, my response is to the second movie showing off the problems Tony had in the comics better than the first and not so much a general complaint about the complaint.  Personally I don't think the character in the movies seems to have the same problems the comic version had and they didn't need to escalate them like they did.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 13, 2010, 01:12:32 PM
Your posts are hard to read.

Anyway, him drinking because of competition?  :lol Da fuck. Shit makes no sense. The Demon in the bottle storyline hasn't been worked into the movie yet, that has to take time, it's a storyline that has to come later in the life of Tony Stark and become really his biggest enemy. You can't put Tony's biggest enemy in the 2nd movie.

In the first movie it was guilt, 2nd movie it was everything crumbling around him + having to deal with a villain who wasn't his responsibility in the first place. Movie was vehicle son - father relationship, his selfish and individualistic attitude pushing his closest friends away, and for a more comic like feel to it with the introduction of the Avengers.

I just don't see anything wrong with it aside from it still being a feel good movie first that at the end of the day is like Tony Stark, a crowd pleaser. Which it is.

Because i go to the cinema plenty, and i can count with the fingers of my hand how many times i head the audience laugh and applaud during a movie. It works.

For comparison, Transformers 2 was silent as shit.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: cool breeze on May 13, 2010, 01:35:51 PM
You seem to be too personally invested in this, man.  Shades of that Avatar nonsense from a while back that isn't worth getting into.  For me Iron Man 2 was just another movie I saw and I thought it was a pretty bad movie that was still entertaining at times.  If I watch it again and my opinion of it changes, that's fine by me, but that won't happen until it's out on dvd/blu-ray.  It wouldn't be the first time that I enjoyed a movie more the second time.

and I agree that my posts are hard to read.  I just noticed "general complaint about the complaint" and I think I meant to say movie.

and anecdotes from the theater are hardly a measure of a movie.  You say Transformers 2 was silent for you, but the theater I saw it in was pretty loud.  The loudest the audience has been in a theater in the past few years has been Snakes on a Plane and that movie was trash.  Just saying that people react differently to this stuff.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 13, 2010, 02:13:09 PM
*taps*
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/05/13/1273792266-1273785262-the-neptune-theater-burns-terrance-howard-8837-1273779853-2.jpg)
I ran by this today and had a good laugh.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2010, 08:43:10 PM
The local Landmark Theatres always have awesome marquee zingers.
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Post by: cool breeze on May 13, 2010, 09:50:56 PM
that's awesome  :lol
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 13, 2010, 09:55:18 PM
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/05/13/1273792266-1273785262-the-neptune-theater-burns-terrance-howard-8837-1273779853-2.jpg)
I ran by this today and had a good laugh.

:rofl
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2010, 09:57:54 PM
This is still my favorite... from a theater in Portland, OR...
(http://i44.tinypic.com/690wuv.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on May 13, 2010, 10:01:39 PM
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/05/13/1273792266-1273785262-the-neptune-theater-burns-terrance-howard-8837-1273779853-2.jpg)
I ran by this today and had a good laugh.
:lol
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2010, 01:16:27 AM
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/05/13/1273792266-1273785262-the-neptune-theater-burns-terrance-howard-8837-1273779853-2.jpg)
I ran by this today and had a good laugh.
:rofl

obligatory
[youtube=560,345]aPIDBEaoov4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2010, 01:27:02 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Fresh Prince on May 14, 2010, 01:29:23 AM
[youtube=560,345]B_L-gbpKZpo[/youtube]
He's such a prick.  :lol
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: Don Flamenco on May 14, 2010, 03:21:13 AM
Shitty movie.  like 2 fight scenes.  I don't go to comic book movies to learn the deep back stories of the boring, one-dimensional characters.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 14, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
I thought Linkzg made perfect sense.
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Post by: Ganhyun on May 15, 2010, 12:02:27 AM
I liked it myself.
Title: Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype, Now w/ Real-Time Movie Discussion!
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 15, 2010, 12:07:21 AM
Came back a couple of hours ago. Its the only movie that actually makes Paltrow likable to me (or are there others?). They really should have thought out the whole Avengers lead up since they're pretty much fucking up the Iron Man movies trying to cram shit in. I still can't get enough of the way the suits look and just how visceral and bad ass the action can be (and War Machine). I also can't believe they actually are still using the fucking Pots and Pans sound effect, what the fuck is that about? You would think there would be a thump or some other sort of suspension sound instead of a small child clanging on some cookery.