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Title: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: dcharlie on January 02, 2010, 10:51:02 PM: So, i need a MONSTER RIG please.

Purposes :
1080p video editing
Photo editing
Top end gaming

Can the PC master race please enlighten me :D
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 02, 2010, 10:52:25 PM: Budget? You can build a somewhat reasonable rig for ~1k or go hog wild and do >1500
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2010, 10:52:43 PM: Get an Intel i7, 965 or 975
Put two 5850s in CrossFireX
DDR3 RAM

That should do ya
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 02, 2010, 10:53:15 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on January 02, 2010, 10:52:43 PM
Put two 5850s in SLI

Or get a 5970. :drool

Only $600!
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 02, 2010, 10:56:52 PM: oh god :cum

gimme a few mins. i'm sure some of the master race will be able to make better suggestions
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2010, 10:59:19 PM: Get a 5970 if you can (they are hard to find still), otherwise; two 5850s in CrossFireX is comparable.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2010, 11:02:17 PM: If budget REALLY isn't an issue, there's always the Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115212&cm_re=core_i7-_-19-115-212-_-Product

But the 960 is like 98% as good for 2/3 the price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115216&cm_re=core_i7-_-19-115-216-_-Product
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 02, 2010, 11:12:59 PM: I'm gonna try to be somewhat reasonable with this build. You could spend 5 grand and get marginal improvement, but it really isn't worth it

Processor - Core i7 920 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202&cm_re=core_i7_920-_-19-115-202-_-Product)
Motherboard - ASUS PT6 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365&cm_re=asus_pt6-_-13-131-365-_-Product)
Memory - 6 gigs Corsair RAM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145222&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=20-145-222&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA) (You might want more memory since you are doing video editing though.)
Graphics - ATI 5970 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102863&cm_re=5970-_-14-102-863-_-Product) (kinda rare right now though, you might want to Crossfire two 5870s (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121346&cm_re=5870-_-14-121-346-_-Product) instead.
Storage - 2TB hard drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344&cm_re=2tb_internal_hard_drive-_-22-136-344-_-Product). You will also want a solid state drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227469) for your OS.
Power Supply - Corsair 850W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=17-139-009&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)
Case - Cooler Master full tower case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138&CMP=OTC-TechReport&ATT=11-119-138&nm_mc=OTC-TechReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA)
And then some random DVD drive

The total cost is like ~2200 USD before you get an OS. I'm not an expert or anything so take my advice with a grain of salt! You probably wanna get Frag and Eel to contribute, too. :P
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: demi on January 02, 2010, 11:14:06 PM: Is this how far you will take your Final Fantasy XIII trolling? :lol
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2010, 11:21:01 PM: As far as mobos go, I've had really good luck with both ASUS and Gigabyte and wouldn't use any other brand at this point.

You are made of money, so get at least a 940. Everything above that is kind of pissing money away, comparatively.

I'd get at least 8 GB, 12 if your mobo supports it. At /least/ 850W.

A solid state OS drive is a good idea, I want that on my next build. G-Skill makes a good one.

I think that in CrossFireX, two 5850s and two 5870s are comparable. Since the 5850 is $100 cheaper each and more widely available you probably want to go with it. Alternatively, just track down a 5970 and save yourself the trouble.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2010, 11:37:13 PM: BTW, this almost goes without saying, but you'll need to be running the 64-bit version of Windows 7 to take advantage of over 4 GB RAM ;)
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: cool breeze on January 02, 2010, 11:53:36 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on January 02, 2010, 11:37:13 PM
BTW, this almost goes without saying, but you'll need to be running the 64-bit version of Windows 7 to take advantage of over 4 GB RAM ;)

I just found that out yesterday when considering going from 4 to 8 gigs of ram. I'm on Windows 7 32 :'(
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2010, 12:04:48 AM: i'm kind of a gimp when it comes to hardware, the only thing i have worth a fuck is the RoG laptop

all of the above are excellent suggestions, if you want to build a rig that will blow your testicles off when you touch the power button smooth groove's your man there
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 03, 2010, 12:10:12 AM: dcharlie, can you be clear here

You can build an amazing, balls-to-the-wall, kick-ass machine with top-of-the-line, just-released parts that decimates and destroys anything it touches for $2000-2500.

Or you can build one that's 5% faster for $6000.

So, when you say "cost is not a factor," do you mean it in the first or second way?
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2010, 12:12:07 AM: i gotta build a cheap desktop sometime this year, think i'm gonna go with a phenom
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: cool breeze on January 03, 2010, 12:32:17 AM: I'd say the important part of a desktop PC is to make sure it's easy to upgrade in the future. Realistically, unless you play to go crazy with several monitors or get into 3D gaming, a beefy rig is overkill. The reason why my current PC annoys me is because I didn't think far ahead when putting it together, and now I'm limited in what upgrades I could make and it is ending up easier (and cheaper) to build a new one using some parts from it.

And reading up on an ssd for myself, that seems worth it despite the small storage space. I'm thinking about installing the OS on the ssd so it's speedy for all normal applications then have a secondary larger hard drive for games, large storage, etc.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 03, 2010, 01:35:40 AM: Quote from: dcharlie on January 03, 2010, 12:16:28 AM
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So, when you say "cost is not a factor," do you mean it in the first or second way?

after checking my finances, lets put an upper cap of $3000 on it :)

hmmm, you might be able to run crysis. not sure though.

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please post pics of your new rig melting the moon when you get it
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Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: huckleberry on January 03, 2010, 01:45:44 AM: I have a i7 920....it will do everything you need to do and more. I believe the socket LGA1366 gets the new Intel Gulftown processors when they are released. The only downside to the i7 is the heat....you gotta get a giant goddam heatsink to reign that fucker in. My temps are ok now, but in the summertime the i7 920 gets hot.....hell, the entire x58 chipset on my Asus P6T stays ridiculously hot.

The important thing that you must get for your build is an ssd. If money is no object then you really need to get the ssd....it is the single biggest upgrade you can make for a system and any new system that you are building should have one. The Intel X25-M (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167024) is the one you need.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Fortus on January 03, 2010, 02:58:49 AM: Archie4208 has a pretty good list for you. I'd substitute some Mushkin Redline over the Corsair as it has much better timings. I also prefer Lian Li cases and Antec power supplies but PCs tend to be personal affairs especially if you build your own so I won't quibble about it. My strongest recommendation would be to get an i7-920 as he suggests since they overclock well and spending more now when the six core Gulftowns are just around the corner is a bit foolish. The Gulftowns will be pin compatible with the i7-920 so the upgrade will be an easy swap. If you're going to do some serious video and photo editing you should consider 12GB of ram for you rig
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 07:57:26 AM: http://www.dospara.co.jp/5goods_pc/pc_detail.php?h=g&f=g&m=g&mc=1331&map=2

do it, you slag
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 08:49:58 AM: I should add that there are only 2 of those left, surely that has to get your cock throbbing.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: CHOW CHOW on January 03, 2010, 08:55:55 AM: Quote from: dcharlie on January 02, 2010, 11:30:07 PM
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Is this how far you will take your Final Fantasy XIII trolling?

FF13 streamlines the gaming experience so much it trolls itself. Besides my current PC is more than enough to best FF13.

Many thanks everyone else, appreciated. Looking at Japanese prices now. thanks a bunch :D

can i have your current pc...i'lll pay shipping. i'm currently running at 533 mhz with 256 ram
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 03, 2010, 08:57:45 AM: Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 07:57:26 AM
http://www.dospara.co.jp/5goods_pc/pc_detail.php?h=g&f=g&m=g&mc=1331&map=2

do it, you slag

I can't make out anything except "i7-975", "5970", "12GB", "80GB SSD" and "2TB" and my cock is thorbbing.

Then I see 333,980 and get an instant soft on. :'(
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: huckleberry on January 03, 2010, 08:59:03 AM: have any of you j-bore guys seen pc cases made my a Japanese company called WINDY? They are the most beautiful pc cases in the world...but I have heard they are super expensive....and I don't believe that they sell them outside of Japan.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 08:59:13 AM: The price will be what elevates DCharlie's boner to "diamond cutter" levels, trust me on this.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 09:00:12 AM: Quote from: Arde0 on January 03, 2010, 08:59:03 AM
have any of you j-bore guys seen pc cases made my a Japanese company called WINDY? They are the most beautiful pc cases in the world...but I have heard they are super expensive....and I don't believe that they sell them outside of Japan.

I have one right beside me! It was pretty awesome but it sadly houses an Athlon 700mhz right now. I really should gut the fucking thing.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: huckleberry on January 03, 2010, 09:01:52 AM: :lol Thats awesome...was the cases super expensive?
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 09:10:45 AM: It was pretty leet at the time (which was when "leet" was not yet ironic) but I have no idea how much it cost now. Maybe 40,000 yen? It was a lot but I remember thinking it would be the only case i'd ever need :rofl

It had some really nice features - a slide out section for the motherboard housing, for example. It was my first attempt at building a PC so I appreciated that for sure.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: huckleberry on January 03, 2010, 09:13:22 AM: I am jealous....you should slap some awesome fast components in that thing...it deserves it.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 09:17:36 AM: Are you insinuating that an Athlon 700 isn't awesome?! Do you know that you can overclock those to 833?!
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: huckleberry on January 03, 2010, 09:27:27 AM: :lol

I would give a testicle for this case, the Windy MC3 LFX silver: (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://windy-online.com/case/&ei=a6dAS9CCJc2_lAf3xeGhBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CEoQ7gEwCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DWindy%2Bpc%2Bcase%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DNUm)

(http://windy-online.com/case/cube_case/mc3_lfx/images/spec/front.jpg)

It is the most fucking beautiful mini itx case on Earth. I am begging any Jborean if you see this case out somewhere to find out how much it is for me....I would gladly float you in the best bourbon the world has to offer (and pay for the case as well).
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 03, 2010, 12:39:00 PM: Quote from: Fortus on January 03, 2010, 02:58:49 AM
Archie4208 has a pretty good list for you. I'd substitute some Mushkin Redline over the Corsair as it has much better timings. I also prefer Lian Li cases and Antec power supplies but PCs tend to be personal affairs especially if you build your own so I won't quibble about it. My strongest recommendation would be to get an i7-920 as he suggests since they overclock well and spending more now when the six core Gulftowns are just around the corner is a bit foolish. The Gulftowns will be pin compatible with the i7-920 so the upgrade will be an easy swap. If you're going to do some serious video and photo editing you should consider 12GB of ram for you rig

My Lian Li case is a thing of quiet beauty: http://www.svp.co.uk/custom/images/products/hires/LIANLI010.png

They appeal to the same part of my brain that worships MUJI.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2010, 01:13:45 PM: HOLD ON

wait until mid-january for the core i9 -- 6 cores, 12 threads, and one hard throbbing shaft of pure computational performance sure to plumb your gamepussy deeper and wider than you'd ever hoped for. console warriors will screech shrill notes of fear and desire when you slap their sweaty faces with that hog.

beyond that, get a radeon 5970, pile on the ddr3 ram, get a 160gb ssd for your boot/os and game installs, plus a 2tb seagate barracuda for file storage and everything else
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 03, 2010, 01:16:31 PM: I thought SSDs only marginally affected gaming performance, at least that is what I read online. I know it is a night and day difference with the OS. I would just imagine it would be a hassle to manage your games if you have >15 installed.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2010, 01:18:56 PM: it's the same for anything write-heavy, but if the game reads or streams data, like geometry for an open world or textures like the ue3 engine does, it'll really improve performance in that area -- no texture "pop-in" or frame rate hitches when fetching geometry.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2010, 01:23:00 PM: expect to see a much cheaper version of this thread round about april
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: cool breeze on January 03, 2010, 01:39:21 PM: there are six core CPU :omg

and I thought ssds only went up to 80 gigs? 160 gig seems large enough to have both gaming and OS stuff on it. I have about 70 gigs of games installed right now and I expect to have more. I'm guessing the price is crazy though. Budgets suck.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: archie4208 on January 03, 2010, 01:40:49 PM: I think AMD was working on an octo core processor to release either later this year or next year. :omg
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: cool breeze on January 03, 2010, 01:44:52 PM: :drool

ok, new computer will be built whenever that comes out (also to see how the whole nvidia vs ati thing turns out).
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 03, 2010, 01:53:12 PM: 160gb is about $600 for an intel model

there are 256gb ssds out there, as well
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Draft on January 03, 2010, 04:30:51 PM: While irresponsible and wasteful, there is something magical about a really expensive computer.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 03, 2010, 04:49:09 PM: I'm going to make a new PC sometime later this year. When are the octo cores coming out?
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: pilonv1 on January 03, 2010, 05:23:38 PM: Quote from: dcharlie on January 03, 2010, 04:27:42 PM
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wait until mid-january

yup, read a few places that suggest that buying in right now is foolish. Mid-jan will also tell me (levels of/lack of) bonus/payrise so should be timed nicely.

thanks as always gentlemens

the other issue is a lot of the high end ATI 5800+ cards are out of stock or low stock for a while.

re: SSD drive for the O/S, I've heard Win7 is really good with an SSD. I wish I'd had the money at the time to get one :'(

I also wonder how much that i9 is going to be. I don't regret my i5 though since it was the best value for money 2 months ago.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 07:06:06 PM: when isn't it foolish to buy in? especially if you're going for a high-end rig? Won't be calling you PCFE anytime soon :wag
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 03, 2010, 07:10:18 PM: Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 07:06:06 PM
Won't be calling you PCFE anytime soon :wag

Someone needs to replace Borys, who was always a fraud anyway, playing games on his 6-bit EGA monitor.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 03, 2010, 07:13:35 PM: Quote from: Harry Lime on January 03, 2010, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 07:06:06 PM
Won't be calling you PCFE anytime soon :wag

Someone needs to replace Borys, who was always a fraud anyway, playing games on his 6-bit EGA monitor.

Borys eviscerated.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Oblivion on January 03, 2010, 07:15:50 PM: Quote from: Harry Lime on January 03, 2010, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 07:06:06 PM
Won't be calling you PCFE anytime soon :wag

Someone needs to replace Borys, who was always a fraud anyway, playing games on his 6-bit EGA monitor.

I thought Frag was the de facto PCFE.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 04, 2010, 01:04:41 AM: frag is indeed the pcfe
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2010, 01:40:52 AM: Yeah, Frag reigns, Borys feigns. Not even a contest.
Title: Re: PC Master Race : Help !
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2010, 05:32:23 AM: To whom exactly?