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Title: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 11, 2010, 11:52:47 PM
Just wondering which is easier to pick up and play without much explanation.  Assume the other person is a noob. 
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 11, 2010, 11:57:04 PM
Seiken Densetsu 3 is almost unplayable online if you're doing it over ZSNES or something. Lots of horrible de-syncs and whatnot. Secret of Mana is flawless, though.

Otherwise they're pretty much the same. Seiken Densetsu 3 is reaaaally easy and especially friendly to button-mashers, so that'd be my pick. Neither games are exactly difficult, honestly.

If you play SD3 then have your friend pick Kevin as his character.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: Beezy on January 12, 2010, 12:01:02 AM
Secret of Mana shits on SD3 in almost every way.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: Rman on January 12, 2010, 12:02:41 AM
I love SD2/Secret of Mana, but I couldn't get into SD3 at all. 
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 12:11:53 AM
Secret of Mana is great, but it sucks big fat Rocco Siffredi cock once you get the dragon. Plus all the bosses are cake since you can chaincast them to death. I never actually finished SD3, but I think it offers more versatility for multiplayer with the choice of different classes and stuff. And it is more casual-friendly
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
Also, obligatory Evermore > Mana post
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 12, 2010, 12:18:06 AM
Yeah, the chaincast thing was really broken in SD2.  I never played much of SD3 but I vaguely remember it having a timer for spells, so it has that in its favor at least.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 12, 2010, 12:22:31 AM
Seiken Densetsu 3 is almost unplayable online if you're doing it over ZSNES or something. Lots of horrible de-syncs and whatnot. Secret of Mana is flawless, though.

Otherwise they're pretty much the same. Seiken Densetsu 3 is reaaaally easy and especially friendly to button-mashers, so that'd be my pick. Neither games are exactly difficult, honestly.

If you play SD3 then have your friend pick Kevin as his character.


This is local, if that changes anything.   

Seems like SD3 might be the way to go.  It's my first time through the game...do you have to wait until you get another party member to do MP?
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: demi on January 12, 2010, 12:24:04 AM
ZSNES question for Optimo...

Is it possible to just have one player watch while the other plays? I've used Netplay before to play SD3, etc, but I've always wanted to have someone connect to me and watch me play and comment in the chat, etc.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: demi on January 12, 2010, 12:24:27 AM
Also, obligatory Evermore > Mana post

co-sign, amazing game
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: Rman on January 12, 2010, 12:31:07 AM
Evermore had an amazing soundtrack.  I agree with the Evermore love.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 03:00:49 AM
Seiken Densetsu 3 is almost unplayable online if you're doing it over ZSNES or something. Lots of horrible de-syncs and whatnot. Secret of Mana is flawless, though.

Otherwise they're pretty much the same. Seiken Densetsu 3 is reaaaally easy and especially friendly to button-mashers, so that'd be my pick. Neither games are exactly difficult, honestly.

If you play SD3 then have your friend pick Kevin as his character.


This is local, if that changes anything.   

Seems like SD3 might be the way to go.  It's my first time through the game...do you have to wait until you get another party member to do MP?
You'll be fine playing it locally. And in both games you start out alone and pick up your allies about 30 minutes in.

edit: For what it's worth, Secret of Mana IS the better game, it just sounds like SD3 might be more suitable for what you're looking for. If you guys are down for it you might as well just play both, cuz it's not like they're 40 hour games or something.

ZSNES question for Optimo...

Is it possible to just have one player watch while the other plays? I've used Netplay before to play SD3, etc, but I've always wanted to have someone connect to me and watch me play and comment in the chat, etc.
Yeah, it's basically just like having someone sit right next to you with a second controller plugged into the SNES. If they want to hop in they can hit the start button and control a character, but there's no forced single or multiplayer option for those games.

The chat kinda sucks though because the game has to be paused to bring up the chat window. And if you're planning on doing this you need to use a older version of ZSNES, because they abandoned working out the kinks of netplay and for some dumbfuck reason decided to just remove the option completely in the newer releases.

Evermore had an amazing soundtrack.  I agree with the Evermore love.
Have that shit in my library. Best SNES soundtrack ever, maybe even topping Nobuo Uematsu's score of FF6

[youtube=560,345]3I8MIJDCrzc[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]xHu0IAyznRc[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]8AU1icnbBqU[/youtube]

:omg :omg :omg
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: demi on January 12, 2010, 03:12:31 AM
I remember just having to press "T" or something to chat, that must be from an older release then.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 03:21:16 AM
Fuck maybe I'm just a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow then. When me and my buddy did Mana we were hitting escape and bringing up the main chat window every 30 seconds to ask each other wtf we were doing. Come to think of it, I never looked at the readmes to see if there was an in-game chat option :lol
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: demi on January 12, 2010, 03:25:06 AM
Fuck maybe I'm just a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow then. When me and my buddy did Mana we were hitting escape and bringing up the main chat window every 30 seconds to ask each other wtf we were doing. Come to think of it, I never looked at the readmes to see if there was an in-game chat option :lol

From the readme for 1.51

   10. If you want to chat in-game, press 'T' and type in your line. You can
       change this key in the Misc -> Misc Keys options from the GUI.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 03:32:22 AM
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU well I guess that's good to know for next time, although there aren't many other good co-op games aside from side-scrolling beat-'em-ups. Maybe Zombies Ate My Neighbors
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: demi on January 12, 2010, 03:32:59 AM
Well I'm into that voyeur shit, I want someone to watch me play and show off my skillz.
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 03:35:42 AM
Watch me play Super Metroid sometime, I'm like straight ASIAN at that game
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: magus on January 12, 2010, 05:53:08 AM
i've tried playing them both in single but i always get bored somewhere halftrough... maybe i could give it another spin since i was playing action rpg's but i don't know...
Title: Re: Better multiplayer: Secret of Mana or Seiken Densetsu 3?
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2010, 10:14:41 AM
i've tried playing them both in single but i always get bored somewhere halftrough... maybe i could give it another spin since i was playing action rpg's but i don't know...

You aren't allowed to be a self-professed weeaboo until you've completed Secret of Mana