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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: ManaByte on February 10, 2010, 03:11:58 PM

Title: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: ManaByte on February 10, 2010, 03:11:58 PM
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3753969

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$304,149,300 Stolen From Activision

That's right, over 300 million dollars stolen just of the one game, Modern Warfare 2, in 2009. Obviously Activision had much more stolen from them with other titles, but MW2 is by far the worst affected. According to TorrentFreak 4,100,000 copies of the PC version of MW2 were stolen and 970,000 copies of the Microsoft Xbox 360 version.

Thieves using bit torrents are indulging in the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity. When they can steal with no chance of getting caught then they will. How they justify this appalling lack of moral fibre to themselves is beyond me. I have heard a whole litany of empty excuses from the thieves to try and justify their actions but the fact remains that they are benefiting from other people's labour that they should have paid for but haven't. So they are thieves.

And they are stupid because they damage that which they love. Activision are not about to go out of business because of this particular frenzy of stealing. But in the past plenty of other game companies have gone bust because of game theft. And many top creative game developers have left the industry for ever. We have lost a huge number of potentially great games to piracy. It doesn't even need for the company to go bust, they can just allocate their resources elsewhere. There are nearly as many Nintendo DS consoles in the world as Wiis, PS3s and Xbox 360s combined. So where are all the great DS games? That's right, piracy stops them even being written.

The fact is that if you want people to work for you creating great games then you have to pay their wages, they have to pay for their food and rent just like everyone else.

There are a number of possible solutions to this massive stealing problem:

    * Educate the thieves. Explain their low morality to them and the harm they do to the development of games. I think this has no chance of succeeding, they have proven, on a massive scale, that they are perfectly happy to steal.
    * Technical protection. This is the best solution. A game console's main purpose in life is to serve as an anti piracy dongle. All three current generation home consoles succeed at this, the PS3 works best, followed by the Wii with the Xbox 360 putting up a distinctly average performance.
# But open, multi purpose platforms like the PC and the iPhone lack this technical protection and so piracy is rife.  Alternative business models. Monthly subscriptions and in game items are increasingly popular alternatives to up front game purchase. Many people are perfectly happy to spend thousands of dollars on a simple browser game like Evony for instance.
# Using the ISPs to stop peer to peer distribution of stolen IP. This is probably the main viable route. Already implemented in France and proposed for the UK and most other civilised countries. The scale of thieving is so enormous that the thieves are not directly punished, instead they get a warning letter. If they continue to steal they get another warning letter. Then if they ignore both these warnings they are disconnected from the internet. A very mild course of action against thieves, many of whom have stolen thousands of dollars worth of stuff they should have paid for.
# Publisher activism. The publishers can go after the thieves that are stealing from them directly. However the thieves don't like this and indulge in massive online activism to stop it. So the publishers, even though they are morally right to protect their property, are loath to take this sort of action for fear of Streisand effect.
# Government action. There are millions of thieves out there that the government is turning a blind eye to. In fact government authority is being totally usurped. If I fancied a new Ferrari and went and stole it the police would show a great interest. However is someone steals a game that I publish, using torrents, they aren't interested. Yet the Ferrari and the game are both the result of people's labour.

Eventually something will be done, stealing on this scale is unsustainable whatever way you look at it. In the meantime game development suffers and the thieves are too stupid to realise it.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: WrikaWrek on February 10, 2010, 03:14:29 PM
Nobody spends 1500$ on a PC and then buys games for it. The budget is over.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 03:17:32 PM
"Stolen" lol

edit: Oh lord, this dipshit actually uses the "You wouldn't steal a car" example.

And what's this about the Wii being a formidable obstacle for pirates? Isn't that the easiest system of this generation to mod?
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 03:17:40 PM
Not surprising. Piracy is basically the norm in, well, any nation I've lived in other than the US.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: archie4208 on February 10, 2010, 03:17:47 PM
Biggest game release ever, biggest pirated game ever, biggest number of camp friendly levels ever. Is there no statistic MW2 can't obliterate?

Largest number of dedicated servers. :teehee
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 03:19:47 PM
I'm sure 90+% of the pirates wouldn't have bought the game anyway.

I pirated Bioshock 2 the other day. Game was shit. Will not buy.

Oh no!!! 2kGames lost €55 thanks to me!!  ::)
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
I'm sure 90+% of the pirates wouldn't have bought the game anyway.

I pirated Bioshock 2 the other day. Game was shit. Will not buy.

Oh no!!! 2kGames lost €55 thanks to me!!  ::)
No, you STOLE THEIR MONEY OMG
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: demi on February 10, 2010, 03:21:27 PM
"Stolen" lol

edit: Oh lord, this dipshit actually uses the "You wouldn't steal a car" example.

And what's this about the Wii being a formidable obstacle for pirates? Isn't that the easiest system of this generation to mod?

DS for sure
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Vizzys on February 10, 2010, 03:21:56 PM
the way that article is written pisses me off

im sure Activision likes to imagine the potential money they would have received if every pirate bought their game but the odds are simply that less than half would have ever considered buying it

There were ZERO PC deals at all, it was at 59.99 throughout the the entire steam holiday sale and stayed at the number 1 spot the entire time despite this

also the fact the pc version was heavily butchered feature wise compared to mw1,
 
50 player servers?, Nope.
Custom mods and maps? Nope.

do these justify piracy, probably not, but it gives some pretty obvious reasons why so many people did it
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 03:22:44 PM
DS for sure
Oh yeah. I love my AceKard 2 :heartbeat
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
Nobody stole anything,they are just enjoying something for free.Also using torrents is  :lol,who the fuck is using them,not to mention that they are full of viruses and fake releases.
Its very funny how industry blames everything on torrents.

Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Technically, every single person that didn't buy the game stole money from Activision. So they really lost about $360,000,000,000.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 03:24:04 PM
That's a cute defense to hide the fact you're still committing a crime. DIRTY THIEVING POOR

Piracy is legal here. As long as you don't sell pirated copies.

And we can't rent games. So I'm not buying a game just to "test" it out.

And don't tell me you never downloaded a mp3 or watched pirated porn.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2010, 03:25:00 PM
Honestly who cares. The game sold a crazy amount. Made a lot of money.

People pirate and steal on the PC. (And 360 if they know how). The more popular your game is the more it will be pirated. Half the people on this board and on GAF are pirating games whether they want to admit it or not. Real Talk.

Popular games (and music and movies) get pirated. You can go to any site on the internet and pirate every popular PC game. Which dents sales. And discourages some people from making some PC games. This is nothing new and has been going on for years. Might as well have a story about explicit rap lyrics while we are at it.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 03:27:56 PM
the way that article is written pisses me off
It's almost like a parody of the anti-pirate moral crusaders. I bet this guy fingers his anus to stories of the RIAA's court victories over single parents and the elderly
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 03:31:56 PM
Young people are morally bankrupt, news at eleven.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
Young people are morally bankrupt, news at eleven.

I'll torrent the news and watch it at 3:00 AM.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Trent Dole on February 10, 2010, 03:40:13 PM
[youtube=560,345]JC5tp9OzXc8[/youtube]
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: treythemovie on February 10, 2010, 03:43:15 PM
I don't pirate games myself and don't really condone the act to be honest, however I have a hard time feeling sorry for these companies when it does happen. Especially considering how much they benefit from the idiotic copyright laws. The two issues seem to counterbalance each other.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 03:43:41 PM
I can get behind that. :lol

Zero tolerance! :punch
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: TripleA on February 10, 2010, 03:44:24 PM
The only solution to piracy on the PC is to stop releasing games on the PC.

Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2010, 03:45:22 PM
So MW2 didn't make enough money to pay the staff?

If only people had the sense not to pirate MW2, we could've actually had a MW3 in a few years.  Unfortunately, it now sounds like we will not.  Just not enough profit from game buyers in there to make another 5 hour campaign.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 03:45:43 PM
I don't pirate games myself and don't really condone the act to be honest, however I have a hard time feeling sorry for these companies when it does happen. Especially considering how much they benefit from the idiotic copyright laws. The two issues seem to counterbalance each other.

Moral bankruptcy versus corporate greed may seem like a good way to look at things, but the reality is that piracy negatively impacts the industry. This type of widespread piracy just leads to publishers focusing on "core" franchises to minimize lost revenue due to piracy and expediting the industry transition towards microtransactions and episodic content. Nobody will have anybody to blame but themselves.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: demi on February 10, 2010, 03:47:20 PM
So MW2 didn't make enough money to pay the staff?

If only people had the sense not to pirate MW2, we could've actually had a MW3 in a few years.  Unfortunately, it now sounds like we will not.  Just not enough profit from game buyers in there to make another 5 hour campaign.

Activision > NIS
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Bebpo on February 10, 2010, 03:49:04 PM
So MW2 didn't make enough money to pay the staff?

If only people had the sense not to pirate MW2, we could've actually had a MW3 in a few years.  Unfortunately, it now sounds like we will not.  Just not enough profit from game buyers in there to make another 5 hour campaign.

Activision > NIS

you are funny
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Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
I've never downloaded a NIS game because those games are not worth a download.

And guys, don't act like you never downloaded anything that's illegal in your country.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 03:53:35 PM
I'm sure I'll pirate games like crazy when I live in a place that lacks any rental option, has a shitty resale market and where a new game costs about $100.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: archie4208 on February 10, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
So MW2 didn't make enough money to pay the staff?

If only people had the sense not to pirate MW2, we could've actually had a MW3 in a few years.  Unfortunately, it now sounds like we will not.  Just not enough profit from game buyers in there to make another 5 hour campaign.

Activision > NIS

:uguu vs Guitar Hero.  That is a tough one.  Even I would have to side with Activision. :/
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 03:58:59 PM
I'm sure I'll pirate games like crazy when I live in a place that lacks any rental option, has a shitty resale market and where a new game costs about $100.

Sounds like whole of Europe!

Yeah. I mean, I like ripping on my brother for being a dirty thief, but honestly... we're pretty damned spoiled here in the US.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:00:48 PM
bu bu bu i stole it becuz the game sux
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 04:02:24 PM
It's not the piracy that bothers me, more the defenses these filthy poor pc gamers some up with to justify shit.  You stole it.  Who cares?

For sure. In Sweden, there are even movements for this shit, with representatives of the piracy party coming up with all sorts of reasons as to why it's totally alright to pirate stuff. When it comes down to it, you're enjoying something for free that was most certainly not free to produce. If you're going to do that, then at least have the decency to be straight about what you're doing.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:04:06 PM
But its not stealing and its legal Cohen.

It is stealing, regardless of whether or not you can be prosecuted by state laws. That's like saying that if you had an apple farm and sold apples, and I stole apples from your farm - but could not be prosecuted - I'm not stealing from you.

Really?

You guys are just morally bankrupt. Just 'fess up.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:04:48 PM
p.s. ur apples suck i wasnt going to buy em anyway lol
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
It's more like fraud...

Not really.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:10:35 PM
The guy who is seeding the game might be making a copy, but anyone who downloads a game without right and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully is - by definition - stealing.

Nice try, though. Like I said, this generation is morally bankrupt. I have a lot more respect for the people that are honest about it, at least.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2010, 04:11:49 PM
It's more like fraud

Fraud? Where's the false statement intended to deceive.

And you're not helping pirates, by the way, because fraud tends to be punished more severely than simple theft, at least in Canada and the US.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
Yeah, fraud is some serious shit.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:13:07 PM
I say we start an insurance fraud bracket.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 04:13:09 PM
Enjoy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_(Sweden)
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2010, 04:15:01 PM
also think a lot of the money is mismanaged

Relevance?
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:16:02 PM
Main Entry: steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal

1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully

... How is that not stealing?
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:16:38 PM
also think a lot of the money is mismanaged

Relevance?

JUSTIFICATION.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2010, 04:17:59 PM
Main Entry: steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal

1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully

... How is that not stealing?

It is stealing. I hope merriam-webster goes after you!  :smug

Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 04:18:20 PM
If I made a game, and people would download it for free, I wouldn't like that.

But I don't make games. And I only buy games that I like. I download stuff, who doesn't.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2010, 04:19:12 PM
also think a lot of the money is mismanaged

Relevance?

Less with games but more with movies, I dont feel bad pirating at all when some Farell gets 20 million to start in it.
I don't feel bad committing insurance fraud knowing the CEO of the insurance company makes tens of millions of dollars!  :spin
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 04:19:16 PM
Kosma should back out now before the annihilation gangbang.

That's not really Kosma's M.O.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 04:21:10 PM
Good games don't have to be afraid of piracy,shitty games on the other hand...once leaked,usually some time before official embargo ends,uh oh...web is going to be flooded with videos and people impressions
No embargo can stop that...
There will be "good" games that will bomb,but that is because games are entertainment product,if people don't find it entertaining...

PC(PSP also) gaming is in deep shit not because of piracy,but because of general apathy towards those platforms.
PC developers should ask themselves how is it possible to release games that need patch on day one to be playable at all,not to mention constant patching that is needed to finish the game at all.

Few years ago some PC developer on beyond3d basically said that the game he was working on was released despite it was known that the game didn't work at all on about 40% of configurations.
Imagine somebody buying that game,coming home and...
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:21:13 PM
What don't you understand Willco? If I steal you money you can't buy anything. But if I copy your money, uuuh?

This doesn't even make any sense. Once again, you're confusing FRAUD with STEALING.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:21:40 PM
Good games don't have to be afraid of piracy....

GTFO :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 04:23:18 PM
You know what's worse than being morally bankrupt?

Being a hypocrite.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:24:17 PM
You're not even making sense anymore. I already gave you the very definition of "steal", which is EXACTLY what you do when you download a game without right and intend to keep it or make use of wrongfully.

This is like arguing with am nintenho, or Roman Polanski.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 04:25:38 PM
DOWNLOADING GAMES IS BAD

goes home and downloads 10GB of copyrighted porn. :smug
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:25:52 PM
And if you're going to drag the film industry into this discussion, Malek's question of relevance comes into play again. Because nothing you said is relevant, it's just a pitiful attempt at trying to justify something that's morally wrong.

It also negatively impacts the industry, but people don't have the foresight to see that - oh well.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:26:33 PM
I wish drewsy was in here. He, at least, is honest about his dabblings in piracy.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 04:27:50 PM
If I steal someting from you, you don't have it anymore.

But if I copy something you have, thats not stealing. Copyright =/= property rights

I've heard this argument before, and it's just as ridiculous now. It seems to rely on some idea that only material objects have a value, and that all ownership and distribution is based on subtraction of stock. It's critically outdated for the information age, and it's definitely an argument of desperation. If you come across a product that is only available for a fee, and you decided to use said project without paying the fee, then you're doing something bad. That's all there is to it, and no nitpicking of definitions is going to change that.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Don Flamenco on February 10, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
I would be more outraged if it was a theft of orgy
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:29:39 PM
I am pretty sure that's not the law in the Netherlands. There's a difference between what a state might prosecute, and condoning outright copyright theft.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: duckman2000 on February 10, 2010, 04:31:37 PM
What do you mean download it without right? Copyrights are only as valid as the state you live in deems them to be, and my country says its ok and it's not theft and I can download all I want as long as I dont sell it.

And this from the dude who regularly rips on other cultures for having the wrong attitude about, among other things, crime and punishment.

Enjoying a commercial product without paying for it is a universal wrong. Whether or not your regional lawmakers deems it acceptable is sort of irrelevant. It's also completely unsustainable, which is a bigger problem.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Third on February 10, 2010, 04:32:37 PM
Uuuh yeah it is mate.

But we can also smot pot freely, have legal prostitution and gay marriage.

Holland :rock
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: drew on February 10, 2010, 04:32:45 PM
Biggest game release ever, biggest pirated game ever, biggest number of camp friendly levels ever. Is there no statistic MW2 can't obliterate?

[youtube=560,345]-MrDFSi5_7E[/youtube]

come get some
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
Good games don't have to be afraid of piracy....

GTFO :rofl :rofl :rofl
Good games as "good" and appealing to your userbase,yeah you could make a game that has artistic and review stamp on it,but if it doesn't appeal to userbase,nobody will care,not even pirates.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Uuuh yeah it is mate.

A quick look at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_copyright_law) says that's not really the case. There is apparently some kind of legal leeway in terms what the owner of a copy of a licensed work may do with his copy, and I'm guessing he is allowed to upload that for piracy - but that doesn't mean you get to download whatever you want for free. :lol
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 04:39:41 PM
Good games don't have to be afraid of piracy....

GTFO :rofl :rofl :rofl
Good games as "good" and appealing to your userbase,yeah you could make a game that has artistic and review stamp on it,but if it doesn't appeal to userbase,nobody will care,not even pirates.

People will pirate whatever they want as long as they can, quality has nothing to do with it. Anybody who thinks otherwise is being naive.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 10, 2010, 04:51:53 PM
They chose a good month to downplay the horrors of slavery
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 04:52:33 PM
You guys are just morally bankrupt. Just 'fess up.
Yeah, it's taking something without paying for it and there's no way to defend it as ethical, but I just get a kick out of how these companies act like this is money being taken right out of their pockets. I'm willing to bet that most regular pirates are either filthy poors or underage -- neither of whom are gonna be buying many games in the first place. There isn't really a tangible way to estimate just how much it hurts the industry because you don't know who would have made the purchase had piracy not been an option, so morons like the blogger in the OP exaggerating the damages are way off base.

And it definitely shouldn't be equated to stealing a unique, irreplaceable object like a fuckin Ferrari unless you're one of those distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that lauds life sentences for piracy
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 04:56:49 PM
Good games don't have to be afraid of piracy....

GTFO :rofl :rofl :rofl
Good games as "good" and appealing to your userbase,yeah you could make a game that has artistic and review stamp on it,but if it doesn't appeal to userbase,nobody will care,not even pirates.


People will pirate whatever they want as long as they can, quality has nothing to do with it. Anybody who thinks otherwise is being naive.
You are very wrong there,why would someone waste its bandwidth,or in 360 case pay for discs if the game isn't quality and doesn't appeal to them???
I live in some place in Europe,its basically a piracy land,piracy talk is normal even on official gaming magazines forums and believe me people there play less games than you do and they could pirate everything...
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: brawndolicious on February 10, 2010, 05:01:51 PM
The type of person who spends hundreds of dollars every couple years on PC hardware would know how to pirate games.  I don't see why somebody who has no problem pirating a game would choose to go out and buy a game (even if it's really, really good) if they could just download it.

By that logic, people wouldn't buy used games.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 05:06:21 PM
People will pirate whatever they want as long as they can, quality has nothing to do with it. Anybody who thinks otherwise is being naive.
You are very wrong there,why would someone waste its bandwidth,or in 360 case pay for discs if the game isn't quality and doesn't appeal to them???
I live in some place in Europe,its basically a piracy land,piracy talk is normal even on official gaming magazines forums and believe me people there play less games than you do and they could pirate everything...
wat
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
Specify wat :D
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Croatia,Borys knows where that is.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: demi on February 10, 2010, 05:17:12 PM
CROATIA!? HARDLY KNEW YA
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 05:21:49 PM
CROATIA!? HARDLY KNEW YA

Ah i forgot about you,Italian
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 05:23:59 PM
Croatia,Borys knows where that is.

Really? I thought you were in DirtyThievingPiratestania.
I could be easily renamed like that,not just in games department :lol
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: OptimoPeach on February 10, 2010, 05:24:38 PM
Specify wat :D
I dunno, I think the pirates that buy REEL GUD GAMES out of some moral obligation are definitely a minority. Your average schmuck doesn't have such a nuanced code of ethics, they just think FREE STUFF HOLY SHIT AWESOME DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD. Otherwise MW2 wouldn't have been pirated so many times :lol
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: magus on February 10, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
yea,here in italy piracy is ultra wide spread,in fact where i live immigrant people sells pirated games on the road,we call them "marocchini"
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2010, 05:49:29 PM
I dunno, I think the pirates that buy REEL GUD GAMES out of some moral obligation are definitely a minority. Your average schmuck doesn't have such a nuanced code of ethics, they just think FREE STUFF HOLY SHIT AWESOME DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD DOWNLOAD. Otherwise MW2 wouldn't have been pirated so many times :lol
Any normal human being who can get something for free instead of paying for it takes the free route.

The exceptions are.

A.) People who live by some strict moral code on the issue. (not many)
B.) If there is some hint of illegality that has a real chance of biting the person in the ass. (a larger number probably)
C.) It's complex or the person just doesn't have the knowledge to do it.  (an even larger number probably)

There is also always the double-stand that pirating music is okay but pirating videogames is verboten.

Obviously the reality is that a large group of people need to buy things or people will stop making them. But regular people don't live their lives based on what works for capitalistic  theory.

Your best bet for reducing game piracy is to include multiplayer or community support where by the consumer feels like he is missing out on something if he doesn't do a lot of work to get that extra content.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: maxy on February 10, 2010, 05:50:37 PM
I have never said that pirates would buy games like crazy,not going to happen,stopping piracy would have little affect to that,industry is wrong if it thinks that way.
But if you like online then games with strong online components are a must buy even for pirates,especially on 360.

I was thinking more about leak influence on people that wanted to buy that specific game,internet is very powerful today.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 10, 2010, 05:58:31 PM
If people will get shit for free, they will.  This is obvious.

This isn't just limited to games.  I recall the myriad of excuses as to why CD sales collapsed earlier last decade; every reason other than piracy was brought up.  What?  Like Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears were such great albums that sell 10 million each but somehow better and well promoted music struggles to hit Gold sales status a year or two later?  Not likely.

I will pirate whatever I can but I'm not going to pretend like it isn't having a significant negative impact on the industries it infests.  Nor will I pretend like me downloading an MP3 is a triumphant strike against the exploitative music industry.  I just want shit for as little cost as possible sans self righteousness.
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 10, 2010, 08:22:08 PM
i pirated Mass Effect 2.

then bought it because it's awesome :rock
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: CHOW CHOW on February 10, 2010, 08:29:50 PM
shemp pretty much annihilated everyone in this thread

filthy poors
Title: Re: MW2 pirates "the biggest orgy of theft in the history of humanity"
Post by: Draft on February 10, 2010, 08:55:18 PM
Wah, wah, piracy.

Same arguments for the last decade. Just let it go.