Doesn't even have to be top of the line graphics, either.
FF7 Already exists. If somebody wants to play that they can go play it right now. People who pine away for a remake strike me as utterly insane.
I love how that one square guy said that you cant tell a good story in a wrpg because of all the freedom.
Speaks volumes of its fanbase when they keep buying games they don't want in the hopes that a remake of a game they have already played, happens.
Why the fuck does an FF need to have western elements to it?
I'd like to see: no more teenboppers, real choices ingameHe said you it's HARD (not impossible, which the word "can't" implies) tell a good story in an open world game.
Prove him wrong.
If you cite Oblivion or Morrowind or even Fallout 3 as examples your argument is automatically revoked and devoid and stupid.
Mass Effect 2? Its not really open world, but you do have freedom and can make choices, which you could call ROLEPLAYING.
And yes if you want a ROLEPLAYING GAME you cant tell a 100% predefined story BECAUSE YOURE ROLEPLAYING, which in JRPGS you are not (and FF13 in specific).
Why the fuck does an FF need to have western elements to it?
I'd like to see: no more teenboppers, real choices ingame
I'm not a believer in the concept that JRPG's need to become WRPG's. That makes very little sense to me and feasibly is impossible. What I do believe is that JRPG's have to have stories that are relevant to western audiences if they want them to sell in big numbers to western audiences. They have to progress their storytelling techniques and themes if they want to sell bigger numbers here.
You're weaboo roots are showing Himuro. Two choices are more then none and thus more roleplaying. Also you dont need cinematics every 10 sec to tell a story, Fallout 3 tells a better story then most Final Fantasies and that without much narrative.
Fallout 3's storytelling isn't great; nor is it's story.
It's pretty good considering it comes from the guys what made The Elder Scrolls.
Well all storytelling in games is shit if youre being honest. By book standards that is.
Its just that Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Witcher are considerably better then another loli anime jrpg.
Let's be honest here. Most WRPG's have shit stories. And to be honest it's because they don't focus on that. They focus on giving you a wealth of options so it almost becomes a create your story experience but the core story is generally not some emotional, great thing. Fallout 3 is a great game but its not because of the "story". It's because you are in this open world and you create your own moment to moment experiences. There are some execpetions. I think Mass Effect has a good over arching story but its still not the strength of the genre yet.
In theory that should be the strength of the JRPG. When I played JRPG's that is generally why I played them. The problem there is that the characters and storytelling stuff they have been using for so long that was once fine has become rote, cliched, and tiresome. It simply doesn't appeal to most western gamers. But the linear aspect of them isn't necessarily the problem. A good linear story is fine. That is the way most game stories in fact work.
Well all storytelling in games is shit if youre being honest. By book standards that is.
Its just that Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Witcher are considerably better then another loli anime jrpg.
Aside from Final Fantasy though, jrpgs aren't really story centric. I've always attributed wrpgs to being story centric (and gameplay = story type philosophy) while jrpgs were heavily gameplay based. Though the blockbuster jrpgs like Final Fantay and Kingdom Hearts try to melt players hearts and cry and shit, those are in fact, the exception.
That's how I've looked at it for years.
Stoney, Himuro have you guys NOT played Baldur's Gate saga?
Yeah, for a moment I thought you guys maybe didn't know about BG2 :lol
Honestly, from a video game I'd rather me be left to my own devices within the game world if the scenario written is absolutely horrible. Being strung along in a linear game where you couldn't care less about anything about the story that's just a shit game from top to bottom.
Stoney, Himuro have you guys NOT played Baldur's Gate saga?
There are exceptions on the WRPG side just like there are on the JRPG side. The top of food chain often exhibits characteristics that that most of the rest of the genre doesn't.
Yeah, for a moment I thought you guys maybe didn't know about BG2 :lol
Stoney, Himuro have you guys NOT played Baldur's Gate saga?
There are exceptions on the WRPG side just like there are on the JRPG side. The top of food chain often exhibits characteristics that that most of the rest of the genre doesn't.
Yeah, for a moment I thought you guys maybe didn't know about BG2 :lol
Honestly, from a video game I'd rather me be left to my own devices within the game world if the scenario written is absolutely horrible. Being strung along in a linear game where you couldn't care less about anything about the story that's just a shit game from top to bottom.
The flip side of this of course is that being dumped into a relatively empty and boring world without much motivation or backstory also isn't preferable to me which is a problem I had with Betheda games up until Fallout 3 or Risen which I recently dropped. When people attack WRPG's for being bland and lifeless this is the experience they are talking about.
I have no real dog in this fight. I can like a WRPG as much as a JRPG. The problem imo is simpy they haven't been making enough good JRPG's recently especially on the HD consoles.
To pull from another genre, Uncharted 2 seems to be very popular with a lot of people even though its a completely linear experience from both the story and gameplay perspective. I know its a different genre but my point is more that people often focus too much on linear versus open world rather than good or bad. Both are viable options. You just have to execute properly which ever path you take.
I dunno. The only wrpgs this gen I'd hail as being legitimately great are Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2 and Fallout 3. On the other hand, I also liken Vaklyria Chronicles and Demon's Souls as great.
There's a lot of trashy and boring jrpgs just like there's a lot of trashy and boring wrpgs.
I agree with JRPGs not being strong this generation and its funny that the least uguu of them all (Demons Souls) has been so strongly received (though on the flipside there is Valkyria Chronicles). But those are two games doing innovative things when placed in context with other JRPG offerings. SquareEnix needs to bring in new blood that can think outside the box. Though from what I've heard (on message boards) it seems all their real talent is in the MMO segment (FFXI and now FFXIV).
I agree with JRPGs not being strong this generation and its funny that the least uguu of them all (Demons Souls) has been so strongly received (though on the flipside there is Valkyria Chronicles). But those are two games doing innovative things when placed in context with other JRPG offerings. SquareEnix needs to bring in new blood that can think outside the box. Though from what I've heard (on message boards) it seems all their real talent is in the MMO segment (FFXI and now FFXIV).
What about The Last Remnant, Etrian Odyssey, Persona 3, The World Ends With You, and (although they're not of this gen they came out at the beginning of the gen) Final Fantasy XII and Valkyrie Profile 2?
That's 8 games, all with their own play style, and their own innovative twist on the genre all release in the past 4 years.
But jrpgs are supposedly dead and defunct. The hypocrisy is hilarious in both camps, but especially hilarious from the wrpg camp.
I agree with JRPGs not being strong this generation and its funny that the least uguu of them all (Demons Souls) has been so strongly received (though on the flipside there is Valkyria Chronicles). But those are two games doing innovative things when placed in context with other JRPG offerings. SquareEnix needs to bring in new blood that can think outside the box. Though from what I've heard (on message boards) it seems all their real talent is in the MMO segment (FFXI and now FFXIV).
What about The Last Remnant, Etrian Odyssey, Persona 3, The World Ends With You, and (although they're not of this gen they came out at the beginning of the gen) Final Fantasy XII and Valkyrie Profile 2?
That's 8 games, all with their own play style, and their own innovative twist on the genre all release in the past 4 years.
But jrpgs are supposedly dead and defunct. The hypocrisy is hilarious in both camps, but especially hilarious from the wrpg camp.
Can't argue with most of those games but as you stated they are not of this generation and if the "HD is hard" sentiment is any indicator, JRPGs are dead (so far as we've seen). Western developers are just way more conducive and accepting of the challenges that have come with this new generation.
I agree with JRPGs not being strong this generation and its funny that the least uguu of them all (Demons Souls) has been so strongly received (though on the flipside there is Valkyria Chronicles). But those are two games doing innovative things when placed in context with other JRPG offerings. SquareEnix needs to bring in new blood that can think outside the box. Though from what I've heard (on message boards) it seems all their real talent is in the MMO segment (FFXI and now FFXIV).
What about The Last Remnant, Etrian Odyssey, Persona 3, The World Ends With You, and (although they're not of this gen they came out at the beginning of the gen) Final Fantasy XII and Valkyrie Profile 2?
That's 8 games, all with their own play style, and their own innovative twist on the genre all release in the past 4 years.
But jrpgs are supposedly dead and defunct. The hypocrisy is hilarious in both camps, but especially hilarious from the wrpg camp.
Can't argue with most of those games but as you stated they are not of this generation and if the "HD is hard" sentiment is any indicator, JRPGs are dead (so far as we've seen). Western developers are just way more conducive and accepting of the challenges that have come with this new generation.
I agree with JRPGs not being strong this generation and its funny that the least uguu of them all (Demons Souls) has been so strongly received (though on the flipside there is Valkyria Chronicles). But those are two games doing innovative things when placed in context with other JRPG offerings. SquareEnix needs to bring in new blood that can think outside the box. Though from what I've heard (on message boards) it seems all their real talent is in the MMO segment (FFXI and now FFXIV).
What about The Last Remnant, Etrian Odyssey, Persona 3, The World Ends With You, and (although they're not of this gen they came out at the beginning of the gen) Final Fantasy XII and Valkyrie Profile 2?
That's 8 games, all with their own play style, and their own innovative twist on the genre all release in the past 4 years.
But jrpgs are supposedly dead and defunct. The hypocrisy is hilarious in both camps, but especially hilarious from the wrpg camp.
Can't argue with most of those games but as you stated they are not of this generation and if the "HD is hard" sentiment is any indicator, JRPGs are dead (so far as we've seen). Western developers are just way more conducive and accepting of the challenges that have come with this new generation.
Did they say that HD is hard? I just assumed that because ports sell so well that they just decided to port shit instead of develop new stuff.
It couldn't take that long; they already have all the art design and character design and script and music and damn near everything. They even have all the high-res models and resources from Advent Children.
What an absurd, false thing to say.
Exactly. And that seems to be one obstacle for it being made. It shows what the developer's priorities are these days.
FF7 Already exists. If somebody wants to play that they can go play it right now. People who pine away for a remake strike me as utterly insane.
I don't think too many are demanding a remake but given SE's strategy of just rehashing shit, it is inevitable that FF7 will get remade sometime this decade. Even then, it is just a small portion of their fanbase, I suspect. The FF7 spinoffs didn't light the sales charts on fire. The market that demands this remake is smaller than we think.
As poorly as those squatty character models from 7 and 9 have aged, I still favor them over 8. That blocky polygonal style is silly enough to be endearing, but the pseudo-realistic crap in 8 is just...yucky. And I think a lot of the authentically zany humor was much easier to pull of before they opted for visual realism in all its drynessQuote-The little midget look gave em charm.
Chibi world sprites were kind of a staple of classic FF, sure, but they felt out of place in FFVII, and like most early PSX characters, they look terrible nowadays, whereas those sprites still hold up.
Kinda struck me that there's like, one black guy in the world, and he's stupid as hell and curses in every sentence. Good ol' Squaresoft.
FF8 is amazing dood. Screw the haters.
FF8 is the best PSX FF, easily
FF7 has aged poorly and FF9 was never good to begin with
I think most people hate FF8 because they didn't know how to play it and sucked badly at it as a result, probably expecting a reskinned FF7. It was a very different RPG than its peers.
FF8 is the best PSX FF, easilyi swear this thread looked kind of wrong and stupid but i guess this is where it really crossed the line :-\
FF7 has aged poorly and FF9 was never good to begin with
This thread is wrong and stupid cause it's an FF thread. :smugFF8 is the best PSX FF, easilyi swear this thread looked kind of wrong and stupid but i guess this is where it really crossed the line :-\
FF7 has aged poorly and FF9 was never good to begin with
This thread is wrong and stupid cause it's an FF thread. :smugFF8 is the best PSX FF, easilyi swear this thread looked kind of wrong and stupid but i guess this is where it really crossed the line :-\
FF7 has aged poorly and FF9 was never good to begin with
lmao you guys keep arguing about mundane bullshit. The fact is that all 3 PS1 Final Fantasy games are fucking awesome, not equally but still. Poor babies, keep giving each other lame reasons why you think one of those games suck.