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Title: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on March 01, 2010, 10:55:42 PM
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/702911/Security-Appears-Unannounced-At-Infinity-Ward-Studio-Heads-Missing-Staff-Freaked-Out-.html

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A source close to the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 developer just informed me that a "bunch of bouncer-types" just showed up outside of the Infinity Ward offices unannounced. When approached by employees, the non-uniformed "bouncers" were unwilling to disclose why they were there.

"Everyone is on edge," said my source.

Infinity Ward studio heads Vince Zampella and Jason West reportedly met with Activision this morning and have not been seen by Infinity Ward staff members since. My source did not delve into specifics, but described the relationship between Infinity Ward and Activision lately as "tense."

The mood around the Infinity Ward offices is currently described as "freaked out" and "confused."
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:01:14 PM
Why would anyone get fired?

More likely, people are quitting and Activision is trying to muscle in to protect whatever they can salvage.

The most important question: will this impact DLC?
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 01, 2010, 11:01:51 PM
Who is Patrick Klepek? Exxy?

Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Beezy on March 01, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Who is Patrick Klepek? Exxy?


Wow, I haven't heard that name in years.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:03:19 PM
He's a "journalist" now.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 01, 2010, 11:23:20 PM
Boy I sure am not gonna fall into the trap of replying to this and creating buzz for what is surely a publicity stunt
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: demi on March 01, 2010, 11:27:58 PM
I would so buy the map pack
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:28:56 PM
I hope this is resolved quickly, so if Infinity Ward is being shutdown, I can trade-in Modern Warfare 2 knowing that there probably won't be any DLC.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2010, 11:35:02 PM
They would never be shut down.

A logical guess is that the two studio heads are having issues with Activision and have either quit or been fired. It could be about anything including compensation. When a game sells 15 million copies right out of the gate, royalty issues and compensation are two reasonable guesses. Of course it could also be other issues with Activision. IW was formed out of the wake of a group that split from EA so I'm sure there is an independent streak within the heads there anyway.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:39:41 PM
Don't lie, Infinity Ward is getting shutdown. Studio heads bolted, Activision is trying to stop defectors. They're going to shutdown the studio and Treyarch will be making Call of Duty games for life!
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 01, 2010, 11:41:58 PM
He's a "journalist" now.

Doesn't he also work for G4? Dude's managed to make a living doing it. Good for him.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:43:27 PM
I wasn't implying he hasn't accomplished anything, but working for G4 as a games "journalist" is just that - a fake journalist. I don't judge him either way.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2010, 11:44:58 PM
Treyarch will be making Call of Duty games for life!

Now that would be painful.  ;)

There has always been an undercurrent of tension between IW and Activision. You can tell it from the comments in the past from Zampella and just the history of certain things. How Activision wanted them to keep churning out WW 2 when they wanted to keep advancing. It easily could be something where Activision is once again being stupid because they think they know what they are doing when clearly they don't. My loyalties of course lay completely with IW and not Activision. Hopefully Activision steps aside and lets the studio do their work but Activision in general is pretty stupid. See Tony Hawk Ride 2 as a prime example.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:46:54 PM
BOBBY KOTICK: "COME ON IN BOYS, SHOW ME WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON."

[demo footage of completely original IP]

BOBBY KOTICK: "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?! I ASKED FOR DUDEBRO 3, NOT THIS SHIT! I LEAVE ALL THAT SPACE SHIT FOR BLIZZARD!"
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: cool breeze on March 01, 2010, 11:49:12 PM
Watch Microsoft snatch these guys up and THEIR "future shooter" actually turn out to be a Halo game

Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: bork on March 01, 2010, 11:51:06 PM
I wasn't implying he hasn't accomplished anything, but working for G4 as a games "journalist" is just that - a fake journalist. I don't judge him either way.

He's at G4 now?  Dude moves around a lot...what was it, 1up, then MTV, and now this?
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 01, 2010, 11:51:59 PM
I wasn't implying he hasn't accomplished anything, but working for G4 as a games "journalist" is just that - a fake journalist. I don't judge him either way.

He's at G4 now?  Dude moves around a lot...what was it, 1up, then MTV, and now this?

He's done stuff for X-Play.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: demi on March 01, 2010, 11:52:36 PM
I wasn't implying he hasn't accomplished anything, but working for G4 as a games "journalist" is just that - a fake journalist. I don't judge him either way.

He's at G4 now?  Dude moves around a lot...what was it, 1up, then MTV, and now this?

Game Journos arent the most secure jobs...
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 01, 2010, 11:53:06 PM
ENDLESS QUARTER and MICROSOFT GAME STUDIOS
present

H A L O
F U T U R E  W A R F A R E
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

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"Activision…did not want Modern Warfare," Infinity Ward chief creative officer Vince Zampella told Britain-based Official PlayStation Magazine in an interview, relayed by UK gaming site CVG. "They thought working on a modern game was risky and [thought], 'Oh my god you can't do that, it's crazy!' They were doing market research to show us we were wrong the whole time."

Call of Duty project lead Jason West went on to note, "We had to fight for everything. They wanted it to be World War II. Again."

In fact, Zampella said that Infinity Ward was ready to leave the WWII setting after the original Call of Duty, which received glowing reviews upon its release for the PC in 2003. Notably, Activision announced that it had acquired the Encino, California-based developer for an undisclosed sum one day after the original COD shipped in October of that year.

"With Call of Duty 2, we were dead set against it being World War II," Zampella said. "But Activision really wanted it, the compromise sort of being that we'd get some dev kits for consoles in exchange for doing a World War II game. We always wanted to be on consoles and Activision saw us as more of a PC developer."

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/callofduty4modernwarfare/news.html?sid=6232123
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: demi on March 02, 2010, 12:10:06 AM
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We always wanted to be on consoles and Activision saw us as more of a PC developer.

It writes itself, folks
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 12:18:09 AM
2015 runs away from EA and becomes Infinity Ward
Infinity Ward runs away from Activision and becomes ???
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 12:34:52 AM
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/03/d4f055c42ad6d832e66c1d7bc2c53aee/original.png)
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: demi on March 02, 2010, 12:36:07 AM
Wow I am so surprised
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 12:40:19 AM
Yup. Apparently he updated his LinkedIn too:

President/Game Director/CCO/CTO
Infinity Ward
Public Company; ATVI; Computer Games industry

January 2001 – March 2010 (9 years 3 months)
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: brawndolicious on March 02, 2010, 12:42:14 AM
so...the guy was likely fired for trying to get IW to finally make something other than CoD games?

well that sucks.  now he has to start over again.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 12:46:36 AM
Pretty odd/dumb decision from the outside looking in, especially if Zampella is gone also.

They have basically created a rival who if offered money from an outside publisher could potentially poach dev talent and or create a rival ip much like what happened to EA. Seems like a stupid move to can the studio heads who have created two of the biggest fps games in history.

It will be humorous to see the Activision PR spin on this tomorrow.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2010, 01:15:29 AM
so...the guy was likely fired for trying to get IW to finally make something other than CoD games?

well that sucks.  now he has to start over again.
I wonder if ACTI freaked out over the whole DICE/Mirror's Edge floppage. "NO, you must make COD."
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 01:22:59 AM
Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Well, I don't take anything at face value. It wasn't long ago that these same studio heads were praising the WWII era and talking up how they were perfectly happy with it as it had so many stories left to tell. Now it turns out they were at that time unhappy with it, shocker! Also something something about the awesomeness of the mod community, a mindset that was completely gone two years later.

I think blaming the publisher has become a little bit too convenient of an out for developers these days. Everyone already hates the publisher for one reason or the other, so I think its accepted that the publishing end gets to be "the guy" whenever shit goes down. Maybe it really is that way, but that doesn't make for much of a reason to trust the developers to ever speak their minds. Also see: Jaffe being "honest" about Heartland.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:31:35 AM
Nobody knows the inside story unless they were there. That much is obvious.

I can say from first hand experience the role of the publisher is to try to keep as much power as they can and lock you into a box as a dev. Your job as a dev is to still try to create good stuff whether the publisher is forcing you or not. And Activision even more so than most is a rigid publisher who tries to keep their devs in check and control from the top level. Firing the two heads seems right in line with that philosophy. They aren't the only ones. They are simply the leading edge of it currently.

A perfect example of the relationship between a publisher and dev is ODST. I can guarantee you that was something Bungie wasn't overly into. But the publisher pulls the strings. If they say do it, then you do it. And at the end of the day you go out and try to do the best you can and say the right things and market it appropriately and not tell people that you hated being forced to do it and you didn't want to do it.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 01:41:03 AM
Nobody knows the inside story unless they were there. That much is obvious.

I can say from first hand experience the role of the publisher is to try to keep as much power as they can and lock you into a box as a dev. Your job as a dev is to still try to create good stuff whether the publisher is forcing you or not.

Which is fine, until it manifests itself as PR bullspeak filtering down to the trusting audience. Then you're someone who obviously can't be trusted to speak the truth to your customers, lest the pimp hand come down with a vengeance. That's why I, as a customer, don't buy anything they say, including the supposedly critical comments regarding the publishers. It feels like a blame push that has been engineered from the top down, like everything else in whoreville.

To use another somewhat Jaffe related example, Warhawk. There was a lot of bitterness regarding the Warhawk mess, the brunt of which was directed towards the publisher, Sony. When in reality it was a management fuck up on studio level (not on the part of Jobe though, as far as I know), but that is still not the common truth.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 01:42:50 AM
Bungie was into ODST when it was called Peter Jackson's Halo Chronicles.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:47:55 AM
I'm not really sure what we are arguing. And it's probably immaterial either way.

My point in posting that was to say that there was tension between West and Zampella and Activision. It's obvious and that article isn't the only example. There was another interview I remember from GameTrailers where Zampella basically was asked do they have enough creative freedom under Activision and he basically said we'll see after Modern Warfare 2 although based on their track record you would think they would. It was a pretty clear indication that he was having issues of some sort with them way back when.

I'm not really trying to make an argument of who you personally should side with one or the other. I'm saying who I side with and why and that Activision is a fairly short sighted publisher with a track record that shows as much. And my experience dealing with publishers from the dev side. I believe Zampella and West when they say what they said because it rings true to me. That's not to say they aren't above going out there and shilling a game behind a shit eating grin if they have to. We all do that. That's life.

Publishers aren't always wrong. See 3D Realms as a great example. But when a studio is cranking out well reviewed, well selling stuff and has a solid track record and history, I tend to side with the dev and not the publisher when something fucked up happens.

Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 01:49:00 AM
I'm not arguing anything, just saying that the IW dudes are liars and whores.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:54:27 AM
I'm not arguing anything, just saying that the IW dudes are liars and whores.

I don't really care whether they are saints or sinners. All I care about is getting new games. Getting good games. They ran the studio that created the games I liked. if they leave and IW still creates games I love. Then Cool. If they go off and do something else and it's awesome. We'll thats cool too. I have faith in them based on their track record and body of work. That's all I care about.

I don't have faith in Activision. They just write the checks and make the commercial. Hence my stance that I stand by the devs in this case until proven wrong.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 01:55:59 AM
I'm not arguing anything, just saying that the IW dudes are liars and whores.

I don't really care whether they are saints or sinners. All I care about is getting new games. Getting good games. They ran the studio that created the games I liked. if they leave and IW still creates games I love. Then Cool. If they go off and do something else and it's awesome. We'll thats cool too. I have faith in them based on their track record and body of work. That's all I care about.

That's nice, and hey, at least we agree that they are liars and whores.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: archie4208 on March 02, 2010, 02:32:15 AM
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/702911/TheFeed.html?utm_source=g4tv&utm_medium=twitterblog&utm_campaign=so-0907-twitterthefeed-702911&cmpid=so-0907-twitterthefeed-702911#ixzz0h0BmoXuJ

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UPDATE 11:20 PM: It turns out Activision may have showed their hand in this matter earlier today.

In an SEC filing made earlier today, Activision cited a human resources investigation into "into breaches of contract and insubordination by two senior employees at Infinity Ward."

Based on the information we currently have, at least one of those employees may have included Infinity Ward CTO Jason West. It's possible Vince Zampella is the other unmentioned employee.

"This matter is expected to involve the departure of key personnel and litigation," read the Activision's filing. "At present, the Company does not expect this matter to have a material impact on the Company."

yikes
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: treythemovie on March 02, 2010, 02:47:54 AM
So how many more hours until EA tries to negotiate a deal with them (again)? Of course there's always a small chance that a black horse will sweep them up in the aftermath. I bet Warner or Disney would love to have Metal of Honor Call of Duty Modern Warfare's successor.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 02, 2010, 03:03:32 AM
Whoa this is... unexpected.

Why would Kotick fire the guys responsible for 2009 best selling game?
Because they won't work on the 2011 best selling MMOFPS. For publishers it's always about the next big thing and this cuntrag of human waste doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing outside of making games worse for everyone.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: pilonv1 on March 02, 2010, 03:11:24 AM
I said in another thread here, that Activision has it's brands and obviously feels like any developer can churn a game out for them. They see their value as the IP, not the developer.

It might work for a while but once people start to notice the drop in quality it's too late.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: brawndolicious on March 02, 2010, 04:15:32 AM
My money's on THQ sweeping them up.
what about ubi?  I'd imagine they could have some success with an arcadey tc game.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
http://www.bingegamer.net/2010/infinity-ward-has-not-received-royalties-for-modern-warfare-2/

Lots of rumours here. Who knows what the truth is.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 10:43:50 AM
That post is largely incoherent.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: maxy on March 02, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Meh,not as funny as PS3 demise.

We shall see if anybody follows those two...
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
That post is largely incoherent.

Agreed although I doubt the REAL STORY™ will be forthcoming anytime soon.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 10:56:44 AM
Maybe they can join Glen and Co and make a military horror shooter.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Diunx on March 02, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
Meh, don't care about the cod games.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 11:13:38 AM
Maybe they can join Glen and Co and make a military horror shooter.

Doesn't Schofield work for Activision now? :lol
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 11:31:05 AM
They left for Activision, seriously?

Well, I guess IW did too at one point.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
Borys bringing the all out distinguished mentally-challenged. Again.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 12:07:07 PM
They left for Activision, seriously?

Well, I guess IW did too at one point.

Visceral still stands, and a lot of the creative folks stayed behind, but Schofield (and someone else?) left for Activision awhile ago. I thought Internet rumors pegged them as working on a Call of Duty spinoff?

They might be up for a promotion now. :lol
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Himu on March 02, 2010, 12:24:57 PM
God Activision sucks.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 02, 2010, 12:30:18 PM
God Activision sucks.
"Now all my life I've seen myself as flying an X-wing with the Rebellion. Then, one day I woke up and I'm on the Death Star."
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: dark1x on March 02, 2010, 12:46:32 PM
I just can't understand how ANYONE could EVER think it is a good idea to leave your publisher for Activision.  They will always inevitably fuck you over.

I'd love to see the whole Infinity Ward team jump ship and go elsewhere.  Let Activision run Modern Warfare into the ground like they do with EVERY OTHER popular franchise they own.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 02, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
I just can't understand how ANYONE could EVER think it is a good idea to leave your publisher for Activision.  They will always inevitably fuck you over.

I'd love to see the whole Infinity Ward team jump ship and go elsewhere.  Let Activision run Modern Warfare into the ground like they do with EVERY OTHER popular franchise they own.

back in 2003, EA was still the bad guy and Activision was kinda in the background. 
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:06:00 PM
I just can't understand how ANYONE could EVER think it is a good idea to leave your publisher for Activision.  They will always inevitably fuck you over.

I'd love to see the whole Infinity Ward team jump ship and go elsewhere.  Let Activision run Modern Warfare into the ground like they do with EVERY OTHER popular franchise they own.

All publishers kinda suck from the perspective of a dev and EA was just as bad a couple of years ago as Activision ever was which is why they left in the first place. It's simply a matter of picking your poison.   
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: duckman2000 on March 02, 2010, 01:14:27 PM
Borys bringing the all out distinguished mentally-challenged. Again.

I just can't see what you must be seeing in MoH: Reboot.

Military shooter based on Operation Anaconda. Bloody serious consultation from bloody serious dudes. Lean. DICE doing MP. What's there not to like about it? Seriously now.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:14:40 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.

Yeah I wouldn't jump to any such conclusion especially if we are talking about a sales perspective. The job of a studio head is to faciliate an environment where by the best games can be made. That is a big deal and Zampella and West were the guys who made that happen. They deserve a lot of respect and credit. But they aren't designers and they aren't coders. You can continue doing good work when there is a change in head of managment. There are many franchises where the head of the food chain left and they continued on to do good work. A dev team isn't one person.

Of course if Actvision keeps sticking their nose in the process, that could indeed lead to studio defections or an environment where making the best game possible isn't possible anymore.  
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: cool breeze on March 02, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
I would say most people don't care/know the difference between Infinity Ward/Treyarch.

That said, I don't think we will ever know exactly how MW2 would fare of Treyarch made it.  If Treyarch releases MW3 this year, you could have shooter fatigue and less people buying.  The last game was essentially CoD4 in WW2, and it was popular enough, but again it was going back to WW2 and might not have had as much appeal as modern war.  I think Activision will push out barely changed sequels until they stop selling, then find another franchise to exploit.  See:  Tony Hawk, Spider-Man, Guitar Hero, etc.

With any luck, they give up near the end and give it to a decent smaller dev who makes the first good CoD game in years, only it was really rough despite the right ideas.  But then they will destroy that studio.  I want Web of Shadow 2  :'(
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:44:22 PM
The market will determine the health or success of any franchise long term which is why overly speculating on any one franchise is a fool's errand. As long as IW makes good games. That control like they do. Have the action they do. And the multiplayer they do with the frame rate they have. They will sell. If they stop doing that, the franchise will start selling significantly less. This process isn't any different than any other big franchise whether its Halo, Gears of Wars, Ghost Recon, etc.

I agree that most average people don't know the difference between IW and Treyarch (although the IW games have all sold better than the Treyarch games so there is an effect) but that is the same with all franchises. Most average people don't know devs at all. Just like they don't know directors of movies. All franchises are built on word of mouth and pleasing consumers (along with some advertising) If they do that they continue to sell. If they don't they start to decline over time.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: maxy on March 02, 2010, 03:45:11 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.
Hmm :D
Maybe if next COD turns to be Rogue Warrior...
COD has an army of fanatics that play nothing except that,their gaming budget=60$ per year.

No other game can kill COD or Halo or Mario...those games can only be killed from inside and that would have to be a really bad bad bad bad game,but even then userbase will expect "return of the king"
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.
Hmm :D
Maybe if next COD turns to be Rogue Warrior...
COD has an army of fanatics that play nothing except that,their gaming budget=60$ per year.

No other game can kill COD or Halo or Mario...those games can only be killed from inside and that would have to be a really bad bad bad bad game,but even then userbase will expect "return of the king"

In 2005 if you told someone that Call of Duty 4 would be more popular than Halo 3 they would've laughed at you.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 03:52:17 PM
Stoney is SRS BZNS™. Always.

Fixed.
 ;)

™ is my new thing.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 02, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.
Hmm :D
Maybe if next COD turns to be Rogue Warrior...
COD has an army of fanatics that play nothing except that,their gaming budget=60$ per year.

No other game can kill COD or Halo or Mario...those games can only be killed from inside and that would have to be a really bad bad bad bad game,but even then userbase will expect "return of the king"

In 2005 if you told someone that Call of Duty 4 would be more popular than Halo 3 they would've laughed at you.

Halo 3: #1 most played XBL game of 2007, 2008, and 2009 :smug
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: cool breeze on March 02, 2010, 04:01:14 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.
Hmm :D
Maybe if next COD turns to be Rogue Warrior...
COD has an army of fanatics that play nothing except that,their gaming budget=60$ per year.

No other game can kill COD or Halo or Mario...those games can only be killed from inside and that would have to be a really bad bad bad bad game,but even then userbase will expect "return of the king"

In 2005 if you told someone that Call of Duty 4 would be more popular than Halo 3 they would've laughed at you.

In 2005 console gamers were playing real a real Call of Duty game for the first time, and iirc, CoD2 did quite well as a 360 launch game.  Both CoD1, the expansion, and CoD2 were popular online.  Not to mention that in 2005 people probably didn't know about CoD3 by treyarch.  And even if they did, they wouldn't have known it would be a modern day shooter.

These hypothetical situations are killing me inside.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: maxy on March 02, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for CoD and opens the way for MoH/Battlefield to regain the FPS crown.
Hmm :D
Maybe if next COD turns to be Rogue Warrior...
COD has an army of fanatics that play nothing except that,their gaming budget=60$ per year.

No other game can kill COD or Halo or Mario...those games can only be killed from inside and that would have to be a really bad bad bad bad game,but even then userbase will expect "return of the king"



In 2005 if you told someone that Call of Duty 4 would be more popular than Halo 3 they would've laughed at you.
Well in 2005 if you told someone that in 2010 360 will be ahead of PS3 in Europe...well,you get the picture...things change

Why COD exploded?
My theory...people where getting tired of WW2 and COD did "right place,right time,right thing"

Today the market is flooded with "modern warfare" shooters,much much harder to "lift off".

And there is one other thing...60fps,because of that COD is the shooter with fastest control response(see Stoney thread),people see(feel) that,nobody will count pixels,effects,etc...but "man,this game feels so smooth" is priceless
Not to mention the budget($200 million rumored)...
 
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: archie4208 on March 02, 2010, 04:51:14 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27482/Analysis_Infinity_Wards_DoubleEdged_Sword.php

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Analysis: Infinity Ward's Double-Edged Sword?

Every developer and every studio aims to be as globally successful as possible. With record-breaking hit titles comes acclaim, affluence, and often, special treatment from publishers in the form of favorable contracts.

For creating Grand Theft Auto franchise hits for Take-Two, Rockstar Games' top brass were able to negotiate a nearly unprecedented profit-sharing deal. Halo house Bungie earned its independence while still enjoying the benefits of a close relationship with Microsoft.

And Infinity Ward, creator of the multi-billion-dollar Modern Warfare branch in Activision's Call of Duty franchise, gained the ability to develop a new IP when it signed its newest contract with the publisher in 2008.

But amid this week's apparent standoff between Infinity Ward and Activision -- one that multiple sources confirm has seen the ouster of the studio's co-founders -- the publisher is accusing the studio of breaching that contract.

Activision confirmed via an SEC filing that its allegations of "insubordination" and breach of contract will likely lead to litigation. All of the tension and drama today raises one question: Can making a record-breaking franchise become a double-edged sword?

Only top brass at Infinity Ward and Activision are privy to the facts and particulars of the contract between them. But numerous sources close to the situation have told Gamasutra there's been tension between ousted Infinity Ward co-founders Jason West and Vince Zampella and Activision leadership for some months now.

The pair hasn't gained a reputation for being easy to work with -- and some sources have told us that they first fell out of favor with bombastic Activision CEO Bobby Kotick when they refused to allow Activision to check up on Modern Warfare 2 milestones.


Modern Warfare 2 broke retail records, and a third installment could perform even better. With its music genre declining, sources say Activision is eager to have Infinity Ward start on Modern Warfare 3. Infinity Ward, on the other hand, would rather first finish the new IP its contract allows.

Numerous sources with knowledge of the situation have speculated to Gamasutra that the contract dictates that only Infinity Ward may make games in the Modern Warfare arm of the Call of Duty franchise (other studios, like Activision's Treyarch, may develop Call of Duty titles, of course).

That means Activision can't put another studio to work on the the third installment -- sources say the choice would be newly-founded Sledgehammer Games -- any more than it can force Infinity Ward to work on it now.

Another source suggests that West and Zampella could have tried to demand a larger share of profits to begin Modern Warfare 3 on Activision's schedule instead of their own -- and that it was their aims to re-negotiate or add to the current contract that prompted Activision's ire.

Some media reports noting that Infinity Ward's royalties remain unpaid incorrectly tie this fact to today's situation: Sources confirm Activision routinely pays royalties at the end of the next quarter after which they were earned, which will begin next month.

The major issue is that Activision's hands are tied by that contract, sources tell us -- and it may be the root of the "insubordination" allegation against Infinity Ward's stewardship.

Activision has a history of using legal muscle to get the better end of its agreements, as it did with its Brutal Legend spat with EA and the DJ Hero battle that caught Scratch developer 7 Studios in the crossfire.

The company also never hesitates to treat games as a business -- for example, now that Guitar Hero is no longer the cash cow it once was, it closed Red Octane and made cuts at Neversoft, despite the way those studios have performed for Activision in the past.

Another source with knowledge of the situation tells Gamasutra that although Infinity Ward is only about 75 developers strong, Activision brass demanded layoffs at the studio anticipating a refusal -- which they received, potentially opening the door for Activision to use that refusal as a way to launch a breach suit that would help it escape its contract.

Certainly, rumors and speculation will run rampant all over the dramatic exit of West and Zampella, and all eyes are watching the situation closely for the real facts to emerge.

But it makes clear one unfortunate downside to success: The game industry is a business, and when success is high, the stakes get higher. A sweetheart contract with a publisher might appear to be the ultimate reward -- but it may also turn out to be an ultimate weapon.

Damn.  Kotick is one ruthless motherfucker.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
Interesting read. Has the hint of truth about it regarding all sides.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 02, 2010, 05:24:32 PM
Now Sledgehammer Games can "start" making Modern Warfare 3. :teehee
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 05:26:49 PM
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/activision-publishing-reveals-new-plans-for-call-of-dutyr-franchise-86012812.html

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SANTA MONICA, Calif., March 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Activision Publishing, Inc. (Nasdaq: ATVI) today announced new strategic plans for the Call of Duty® franchise, one of the best-selling video game franchises of all time.

The plans include the formation of a dedicated business unit that will bring together its various new brand initiatives with focused, dedicated resources around the world. The company intends to expand the Call of Duty brand with the same focus seen in its Blizzard® Entertainment business unit. This will include a focus on high-margin digital online content and further the brand as the leading action entertainment franchise in new geographies, new genres and with new digital business models.

"2010 will be another important year for the Call of Duty franchise," stated Mike Griffith, President and CEO of Activision Publishing.  "In addition to continued catalog sales, new downloadable content from Infinity Ward and a new Call of Duty release, we are excited about the opportunity to bring the franchise to new geographies, genres and players."

The company expects to release a new Call of Duty game from Treyarch this fall.  In addition, Infinity Ward is in development on the first two downloadable map packs for Modern Warfare® 2 for release in 2010. 

The company is also for the first time announcing that a new game in the Call of Duty series is expected to be released in 2011 and that Sledgehammer Games, a newly formed, wholly owned studio, is in development on a Call of Duty game that will extend the franchise into the action-adventure genre. Sledgehammer is helmed by industry veterans Glen A. Schofield and Michael Condrey.  Prior to joining Activision Publishing, Schofield was the Executive Producer of the award-winning game, Dead Space and Michael Condrey was the Sr. Development Director on the game. The Dead Space franchise has won more than 80 industry awards worldwide including the prestigious A.I.A.S. Action Game of the Year and two B.A.F.T.A.S.

The Call of Duty business unit will be led by Philip Earl, who currently runs Activision Publishing’s Asia Pacific region and previously served in senior executive positions with Procter & Gamble and Nestle. Activision Publishing veterans Steve Pearce, chief technology officer and Steve Ackrich, head of production, will lead Infinity Ward on an interim basis.  Jason West and Vince Zampella are no longer with Infinity Ward.

Lastly, Activision Publishing announced that the company is in discussions with a select number of partners to bring the franchise to Asia, one of the fastest growing regions for online multiplayer games in the world.
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
Jesus. Activision is like a parody at this point.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
A Call of Duty action-adventure game? Wut?  :wtf
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: demi on March 02, 2010, 05:45:58 PM
Advance Wars: Call of Duty :bow
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 05:48:18 PM
From the looks of that press release, it sounds like we're going to get three Call of Duty games within one year - maybe more digital download stuff (subscription model?) on top of that. Totally ridiculous. :lol

Oh well, the franchise had a good run. Unless Treyarch knocks the next one out of the ballpark, I'll probably be sticking with DICE and existing Call of Duty titles for my fragging fix.

Still, kind of surprised Activision would let it go down like this. I give it about three years until all these people are fired, after Call of Duty: Kart Racing tanks and the series is in the shitter. Because milking a series dry has always worked for them in the past!
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 05:52:10 PM
Also, I like reading the Internet posts where people are like, "I'm totally going to boycott Activision... except Blizzard products." :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: maxy on March 02, 2010, 05:56:05 PM
COD RTS :bow

COD RPG  :bow

Do it Activision,millions will buy
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 02, 2010, 05:56:51 PM
COD MMOFPS :shh
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 05:57:33 PM
From the looks of that press release, it sounds like we're going to get three Call of Duty games within one year - maybe more digital download stuff (subscription model?) on top of that. Totally ridiculous. :lol

Oh well, the franchise had a good run. Unless Treyarch knocks the next one out of the ballpark, I'll probably be sticking with DICE and existing Call of Duty titles for my fragging fix.

Still, kind of surprised Activision would let it go down like this. I give it about three years until all these people are fired, after Call of Duty: Kart Racing tanks and the series is in the shitter. Because milking a series dry has always worked for them in the past!

I don't see anything about three in one year.

IW's map pack is this year, but that's just DLC.
Treyarch's is 2010
Sledgehammer's is 2011
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2010, 06:03:10 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27482/Analysis_Infinity_Wards_DoubleEdged_Sword.php

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Analysis: Infinity Ward's Double-Edged Sword?

Another source with knowledge of the situation tells Gamasutra that although Infinity Ward is only about 75 developers strong, Activision brass demanded layoffs at the studio anticipating a refusal -- which they received, potentially opening the door for Activision to use that refusal as a way to launch a breach suit that would help it escape its contract.

Damn.  Kotick is one ruthless motherfucker.

Wow. "General, you have done an excellent job in our war against the enemy. Now as we consider our next strategic step in the battle, please put a portion of your army to death."

"I refuse."

"'Refuse'? WHAT IS THIS INSUBORDINATION?!"
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
I'll buy or not buy based on how they turn out although I'm not overly a fan of the non-IW COD games. Sledgehammer is a completely unknown quantity so I have no special attachment or dedication to their games unless it turns out they make good games.

Shitty way to treat a good dev though.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 02, 2010, 06:18:47 PM
Do you think Activision could kill World of Warcraft next?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Himu on March 02, 2010, 06:20:15 PM
Is there ANY WAY for Blizzard to get AWAY from Activision after this merger?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: pilonv1 on March 02, 2010, 06:21:02 PM
Do you think Activision could kill World of Warcraft next?

They have been, it's barely even an MMO anymore. It's Dungeon Finder of Warcraft

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 02, 2010, 06:23:22 PM
Is there ANY WAY for Blizzard to get AWAY from Activision after this merger?


the relationship is obviously beneficial to them or else they wouldn't have done the merger to begin with.  Blizzard isn't under Activision's control, as far as I know.

but of course, forumites think the game industry runs on emotions and that the honorable thing would be for Blizzard to split from Activision on principle...
Title: Re: Security Appears at Infinity Ward, "totally not a publicity stunt duders"
Post by: maxy on March 02, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27482/Analysis_Infinity_Wards_DoubleEdged_Sword.php

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Analysis: Infinity Ward's Double-Edged Sword?

Another source with knowledge of the situation tells Gamasutra that although Infinity Ward is only about 75 developers strong, Activision brass demanded layoffs at the studio anticipating a refusal -- which they received, potentially opening the door for Activision to use that refusal as a way to launch a breach suit that would help it escape its contract.

Damn.  Kotick is one ruthless motherfucker.


Wow. "General, you have done an excellent job in our war against the enemy. Now as we consider our next strategic step in the battle, please put a portion of your army to death."

"I refuse."

"'Refuse'? WHAT IS THIS INSUBORDINATION?!"

*German accent

Orders are Orders.Orders must be obeyed at any cost.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Himu on March 02, 2010, 06:25:25 PM
Is there ANY WAY for Blizzard to get AWAY from Activision after this merger?


the relationship is obviously beneficial to them or else they wouldn't have done the merger to begin with.  Blizzard isn't under Activision's control, as far as I know.

but of course, forumites think the game industry runs on emotions and that the honorable thing would be for Blizzard to split from Activision on principle...

So Activision has no control over them? Good.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 02, 2010, 06:35:39 PM
Is there ANY WAY for Blizzard to get AWAY from Activision after this merger?
but of course, forumites think the game industry runs on emotions and that the honorable thing would be for Blizzard to split from Activision on principle...

Well, Japanese developers are the only ones who run on the honor system. I mean they have the samurai code and we don't.


Maybe it's on a WRPG good and evil scale. When a company does something like this, everyone immediately assumes that the situation is totally black and white and that the big evil Bobby Kotick is 100% wrong and that the clean pure Infinity Ward guys are 100% right.  Bobby Kotick chose the option at the bottom that was in red letters.

then come the fair weather calls for boycotts and in a year, most people won't care, aside from a few guys who stuck to their guns.  but the fact that they stuck to their guns seems strange and crazy to the normals who think action-adventure CoD looks alright.  Their tiny yelps will be ridicule-fodder on Starcraft 2's launch day or WoW's next update.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 02, 2010, 06:42:34 PM
Kotick has to be a republican.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: maxy on March 02, 2010, 06:44:11 PM
I think that smart people know that nothing is black and white in life.But that doesn't mean that we can't have fun... :D

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Himu on March 02, 2010, 06:48:20 PM
Is there ANY WAY for Blizzard to get AWAY from Activision after this merger?
but of course, forumites think the game industry runs on emotions and that the honorable thing would be for Blizzard to split from Activision on principle...

Well, Japanese developers are the only ones who run on the honor system. I mean they have the samurai code and we don't.


Maybe it's on a WRPG good and evil scale. When a company does something like this, everyone immediately assumes that the situation is totally black and white and that the big evil Bobby Kotick is 100% wrong and that the clean pure Infinity Ward guys are 100% right.  Bobby Kotick chose the option at the bottom that was in red letters.

then come the fair weather calls for boycotts and in a year, most people won't care, aside from a few guys who stuck to their guns.  but the fact that they stuck to their guns seems strange and crazy to the normals who think action-adventure CoD looks alright.  Their tiny yelps will be ridicule-fodder on Starcraft 2's launch day or WoW's next update.

See also: NBC, Conan debacle.

"I'm never watching NBC again!"

"So guys, see tonight's Chuck?"

:lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 02, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
I think that smart people know that nothing is black and white in life.But that doesn't mean that we can't have fun... :D




true.  not sure why I'm playing the smartass when I was rooting for the Apocalyps3 the other day  :'(
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 07:14:34 PM
then come the fair weather calls for boycotts and in a year, most people won't care, aside from a few guys who stuck to their guns.  but the fact that they stuck to their guns seems strange and crazy to the normals who think action-adventure CoD looks alright.  Their tiny yelps will be ridicule-fodder on Starcraft 2's launch day or WoW's next update.

Only dumbasses call for boycotts (on videogames at least). Which is always why I mock the notion of them and people who are pro them on pretty much anything. The game is the game. If the next one sucks. I won't buy it. If the next one kicks ass. I will buy it. That's all the "boycott" that is needed. Same goes for the next IW game or honestly any game on the market. The only difference being that I pretty much was willing to buy anything IW made because of their track record and me being satisifed with their games. I didn't need to test it out or read reviews. My prior buying experience was my guide for my future purchases. That isn't the case next time with the next COD if it isn't made by IW. But that's cool. Not saying I won't buy it or anything. Just that they will have to convince me as a consumer that they have made a game in the style that I'm accustomed to from IW.

 I'm got COD Waw on Gamefly and its fine and everything and it's a good enough game but I wouldn't have bought it. The world rolls on and talented people tend to land on their feet. Its all good.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
Is there ANY WAY for Blizzard to get AWAY from Activision after this merger?
but of course, forumites think the game industry runs on emotions and that the honorable thing would be for Blizzard to split from Activision on principle...

Well, Japanese developers are the only ones who run on the honor system. I mean they have the samurai code and we don't.

:teehee
Yeah, there's no subterfuge in Japanese history.


http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/report-infinity-ward-bosses-removed-from-studio
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West's involvement appears to have been confirmed by a Facebook status update he published after the meeting, which stated: "Jason West is drinking. Also, no longer employed."
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 09:27:38 PM
I'm not really sure why everyone is worried about Activision killing the goose with the golden egg, given that they apparently did exactly the same thing before with Collier. MW2 went on to outsell MW after they ditched him, if I'm reading all this correctly. They've been vindicated, at least in their minds. They've also been vindicated on giving the franchise partially to Treyarch, since those games are also crazily profitable and well-liked (if not loved, perhaps).

More cold-blooded shit goes down at my company every day of the week. I don't know why game-makers think they can somehow survive in a corporate environment without playing along. If you want to play by indie rules, don't cuddle up with billionaires.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 02, 2010, 09:56:11 PM
More cold-blooded shit goes down at my company every day of the week. I don't know why game-makers think they can somehow survive in a corporate environment without playing along. If you want to play by indie rules, don't cuddle up with billionaires.

Yeah, guess what, as soon as you're using someone else's money to make your game, they get a say in what and how you make it. It may be a shitty say full of fucking fail but you can't just DO WHATEVER YOU WANT and make them foot the bill.

Are Activision being cocks? Sure, yes. But it's not their job to be nice. It's their job to sell games and make money. They calculated that this will save them money and sell more games - and good and evil, correct and incorrect are two separate axes.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: GilloD on March 02, 2010, 10:06:04 PM
More cold-blooded shit goes down at my company every day of the week. I don't know why game-makers think they can somehow survive in a corporate environment without playing along. If you want to play by indie rules, don't cuddle up with billionaires.

Yeah, guess what, as soon as you're using someone else's money to make your game, they get a say in what and how you make it. It may be a shitty say full of fucking fail but you can't just DO WHATEVER YOU WANT and make them foot the bill.

Are Activision being cocks? Sure, yes. But it's not their job to be nice. It's their job to sell games and make money. They calculated that this will save them money and sell more games - and good and evil, correct and incorrect are two separate axes.

I think it's well within their rights to make decisions like this, I'm just not sure it was a particularly wise business decision. I don't work at IW, I don't know how deep West/Zampella's involvement in MW went, but it seems a little like killing the goose that layed the golden egg, no?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 02, 2010, 10:08:50 PM
i thought collier moved up to a different position in activision?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Bebpo on March 02, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
I think it's fair for IW to say "hey we're going to do this, take it or fire us".  Non-IW CoD games suck and will sell less and less over time.  IW makes the company money, therefore IW can blackmail the company into doing its bidding....in theory.

But then when the company calls them on it and fires them, they can't really complain because that's how blackmail works if they call your bluff.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 10:44:55 PM
Are Activision being cocks? Sure, yes. But it's not their job to be nice. It's their job to sell games and make money. They calculated that this will save them money and sell more games - and good and evil, correct and incorrect are two separate axes.

Yeah, the best part about this is it is both evil and a stupid business decision!
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 10:53:13 PM
I'm going to go ahead and guess there was an exodus in the plans if such and such didn't happen, and Activision just decided to nuke the whole lot early before they had to fund anything else.

That's my guess, as well. I find it unlikely that certain staff will stay with both Zampella and West gone - unless they happened to be the most unpleasant people in the industry. We're talking Jaffe bad.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Draft on March 02, 2010, 10:54:18 PM
Kotick has to be a republican.
Well, he is rich and successful, so yes, he probably is Republican.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 02, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
Non-IW CoD games suck and will sell less and less over time.

The facts back you up, just look at how W@W sold less than all the other non-IW CoD games

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Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 10:56:55 PM
I really liked World at War, but I was not a big fan of Call of Duty 3. Still, it proves that Treyarch can make a good Call of Duty game and I'm willing to give their next one a shot.

... but if Activision plans on doing spin-off titles and saturating the marketplace, I'm going to jump ship.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 02, 2010, 11:00:37 PM
i'm hoping for a slew of subtitled CoD series so I can get my COD WWII on and the rest of you can get whatever red-dot-sight-nuclear-instant-win the fuck it is you want and everyone can shut the fuck up about there being too many WWII games and do the fistbump radudical bro in your own corner

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 11:03:28 PM
WWII games :yuck

Also on Eel's wish list: "more black and white serials on television, a return to actual prizes in boxes of cracker jacks, all songs to be released on vinyl, tax credit for collecting scrap metal, and for Jesus to bring back that delightful Bob Hope."
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 02, 2010, 11:07:40 PM
if you ask nicely, maybe i'll let you have another sequel to your treasured movie series about toy robots
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 11:07:58 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: iconoclast on March 02, 2010, 11:18:01 PM
I thought World at War was pretty decent really. It's clearly a second rate game compared to what IW does but it's still not bad. CoD3 on the other hand ranks alongside Oblivion as one of the worst games I've played this generation.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2010, 11:30:23 PM
:teehee
Yeah, there's no subterfuge in Japanese history.

I was kidding!

But they'd totally seppuku a bitch cause they're all ninjas.
I know, girlfriend! I forgot my /sarcasm tag; I thought :teehee was good enough thar.

I really liked World at War, but I was not a big fan of Call of Duty 3. Still, it proves that Treyarch can make a good Call of Duty game and I'm willing to give their next one a shot.

... but if Activision plans on doing spin-off titles and saturating the marketplace, I'm going to jump ship.

Whaddaya mean, "if"?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2010, 11:59:19 PM

More cold-blooded shit goes down at my company every day of the week. I don't know why game-makers think they can somehow survive in a corporate environment without playing along. If you want to play by indie rules, don't cuddle up with billionaires.

this. thread over. fuckin' naive gaming nerds!
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 03, 2010, 12:32:27 AM
Yes, Infinity Ward's next game was going to be their cool new sci-fi IP, but -- as their contract clearly shows -- they had a ghost man on Modern Warfare 3. ATVI couldn't give it to another developer! That ghost man was saving it for them until 2013!
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 03, 2010, 02:27:20 AM
How many non-Neversoft Tony Hawk games were any good?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: demi on March 03, 2010, 02:29:05 AM
I'm pretty sure they were all Neversoft up until Ride.... so... zero
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2010, 09:28:55 AM
Kotick has to be a republican.
Well, he is rich and successful, so yes, he probably is Republican.
I meant that in a 'use people to make you rich and then fire them cause they make too much money' kind of way. Not all rich people are republicans, just the selfish assholes.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Draft on March 03, 2010, 12:32:56 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/35jze5w.jpg)
"Next up, Blizzard."
I don't think so, man. Infinity Ward had hyper successful games, but they were always a studio that existed at the behest of Activision.

Whatever Blizzard's relationship to Activision may be, I'd be pretty shocked if Bobby Kotick or anyone else would be able to exert any sort of antagonistic control over Blizzard.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 03, 2010, 12:40:03 PM
I'd imagine that COD/MW can run on auto for a while now. Not to make light of the importance of the developer, but the commercial success and decent quality of the Treyarch games suggest that there is enough for the imitators to use for some time. It's not like consumers give a damn about IW, they just want COD and Modern Warfare. They might start caring when the quality begins to drop, but that will take a few games.

And honestly, it's not like IW is Bungie. Bungie has this crazy close relationship with their community, which I think would work in their favor if something nasty went down between Bungie and a publisher.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: cool breeze on March 03, 2010, 12:43:06 PM
I wouldn't mind more WW2 game but I didn't think WaW felt like WW2, if that makes sense.  The pace of the game in that setting with those weapons was almost comical.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 03, 2010, 02:32:53 PM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/35jze5w.jpg)
"Next up, Blizzard."
I don't think so, man. Infinity Ward had hyper successful games, but they were always a studio that existed at the behest of Activision.

Whatever Blizzard's relationship to Activision may be, I'd be pretty shocked if Bobby Kotick or anyone else would be able to exert any sort of antagonistic control over Blizzard.

http://www.destructoid.com/multiple-diablo-sequels-in-development--165689.phtml
http://www.n4g.com/gaming/News-478626.aspx
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 03, 2010, 03:19:10 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/03/500x_tookdog.jpg)
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Post by: treythemovie on March 03, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Kotick has to be a republican.
Well, he is rich and successful, so yes, he probably is Republican.
Yes, yes he is: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Kotick&fname=Robert
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 04, 2010, 01:30:33 AM
Kotick has to be a republican.
Well, he is rich and successful, so yes, he probably is Republican.
Yes, yes he is: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Kotick&fname=Robert
HOLY SHIT that is an awesome search tool.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: maxy on March 04, 2010, 04:27:26 AM
Quote
Jason West and Vince Zampella File Lawsuit Against Activision

LOS ANGELES, March 3 /PRNewswire/ -- O'Melveny & Myers LLP today filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court a lawsuit against Activision Publishing, Inc., on behalf of video game developers Jason West and Vince Zampella.  West and Zampella developed two of the most successful videogames in history – Call of Duty and Modern Warfare – at the Infinity Ward studio, a company they co-founded in 2001.  After its acquisition by Activision in November 2003, West and Zampella served as president/game director and CEO, respectively.  Activision terminated their employment weeks before they were to be paid substantial royalty payments as part of their existing contracts for Modern Warfare 2.

"Activision has refused to honor the terms of its agreements and is intentionally flouting the fundamental public policy of this State (California) that employers must pay their employees what they have rightfully earned," said their attorney Robert Schwartz.  "Instead of thanking, lauding, or just plain paying Jason and Vince for giving Activision the most successful entertainment product ever offered to the public, last month Activision hired lawyers to conduct a pretextual 'investigation' into unstated and unsubstantiated charges of 'insubordination' and 'breach of fiduciary duty,' which then became the grounds for their termination on Monday, March 1st."

"We were shocked by Activision's decision to terminate our contract," said West.  "We poured our heart and soul into that company, building not only a world class development studio, but assembling a team we've been proud to work with for nearly a decade.  We think the work we've done speaks for itself."

Zampella added, "After all we have given to Activision, we shouldn't have to sue to get paid."

Modern Warfare 2 is arguably one of the most successful games in history and together with Call of Duty, has generated more than $3 billion in sales for Activision.  In addition, Activision seized control of the Infinity Ward studio, to which Activision had previously granted creative control over all Modern Warfare-branded games.  The suit was filed to vindicate the rights of West and Zampella to be paid the compensation they have earned, as well as the contractual rights Activision granted to West and Zampella to control Modern Warfare-branded games. 

The suit includes claims for breach of contract, breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing, wrong termination in violation of public policy, and declaratory relief.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jason-west-and-vince-zampella-file-lawsuit-against-activision-86295312.html (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/jason-west-and-vince-zampella-file-lawsuit-against-activision-86295312.html)


Fight!!!!
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: chronovore on March 04, 2010, 07:55:20 AM
Meh. Count me among the naive peeps to whom Cormacaroni refers. I'll admit to being stunned at the hubris ACTI has displayed in this last couple of years, starting around the time they voltron'd with Blizzard. Grabbing Red Octane just to get the Guitar Hero brand, then running it into the ground across every platform, well, that was predictable. The moves they put on Scratch! to protect DJ Hero were low, and even cunning. But whatever is going on here with IW is likely deeper than anything we've seen.

As a studio of Activision, their ability to move is likely very limited. When IW chose to be acquired by Activision, their options for changing their professional direction became very limited. If they met with other companies while considering those options, they may be compromised. Activision is likely watching them as closely as any man who has acquired his woman through infidelity; after all, there is precedent.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 12:18:14 PM
This is for Borys: ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

And yes, slimey has it right - this didn't happen out of the blue, IW has been tweaking ATVI publically and privately ever since before Call of Duty 2. IW was trying to strongarm ATVI and was betting Kotick wouldn't be willing to call their bluff. They lost, and that's business. Yes, ATVI is playing hardball, but we're talking about the most successful entertainment product launch of all time here, not Space Giraffe.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
i've only ever paid attention to the shots they've taken at treyarch, which as far as i know were wholly undeserved
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 04, 2010, 01:27:30 PM
Fuck Activision and fuck anyone on their payroll.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 01:30:20 PM
Fuck Manabyte and, uh, fuck Manabyte (?)
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 01:50:42 PM
Yes, but is it not true that if you work for Bobby Kotick, you are also evil by proxy?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
Real world economics for all the naive gamers out there:

X is the revenue generated by a non-IW MW3 released in 2011.

Y is the revenue generated by an IW MW3 released in 2013

C is the cost of removing West and Zampella and settling out of court (and they will)

If X - C > Y - and it is - then every member of the ATVI board would be looking for new jobs 60 days after IW announced Future Warfare: Bros in Space. And rightfully so.

ATVI has the money, so ATVI makes the call. Game development isn't a meritocracy based on feelings and luv. It's a business, and this is Business 101. I hope you guys never find out how a bill becomes a law.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 02:01:51 PM
Real world Internet skills for all the naive "businessmen" out there:

X is the numerical value of how evil Bobby Kotick is

Y is the amount of distance - in meters - an Activision employee's office is from Kotick's all-seeing eye

C is the numerical value of how evil David Jaffe is

If X / Y > C, then that employee is deserved of being fucked.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 02:07:52 PM
Real world Internet skills for all the naive "businessmen" out there:

X is the numerical value of how evil Bobby Kotick is

Y is the amount of distance - in meters - an Activision employee's office is from Kotick's all-seeing eye

C is the numerical value of how evil David Jaffe is

If X / Y > C, then that employee is deserved of being fucked.

Ever since they set up the webcam network (ActiVisionTM), Y is equal to zero, so... Hmm. I found a bug in the calculator.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 02:08:58 PM
I guess that means all employees are deserved of being fucked, and ManaByte was right then :smug
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 02:12:21 PM
In reality, who the fuck cares? Zampella, West and Kotick are all going to go bed with a lot more money than I have.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 04, 2010, 02:21:07 PM
West and Zampella will go form some new development studio, come up with some new hot shit FPS.

Kotick will run CoD into the ground just like Tony Hawk and Guitar Hero.

CALL OF DUTY: WAR coming Fall 2014 on all platforms. Includes unique TANK controller!
(http://www.gizmology.net/images/tank11.jpg)
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2010, 02:25:31 PM
Is that a WWII tank?  That looks like a WWII tank.  SOLD.  Thanks, Bobby!
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 02:26:10 PM
man, who doesn't want a tiny tank you can ride around in?

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2010, 02:30:39 PM
please let the limited edition also come with a plastic thompson machine gun controller, PLEASE
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2010, 03:13:06 PM
Is manabyte a script?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: archie4208 on March 04, 2010, 03:26:07 PM
Accusation from West and Zampella:

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2eqe89g.jpg)

Yeesh.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 03:30:23 PM
Holy fuck wow :lol

Is Activision run by Dick Cheney? :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 04, 2010, 03:30:55 PM
Nazi Germany is alive and well it seems.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 03:32:59 PM
Yes, because nothing is more comparable to the Holocaust than Call of Duty
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 03:44:56 PM
Nazi Germany? Jesus Christ why do you keep posting why. Shut up shut up shut up
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 03:47:33 PM
But, to be fair, the visual image of Activision lawyers waterboarding Infinity Ward employees and telling West and Zampella to "shut the fuck up!" while they sobbed in the corner of a windowless room is pretty funny.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: disgruntled_jojo on March 04, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
Holy fuck wow :lol

Is Activision run by Dick Cheney? :lol

Headline:
Quote
Head of Activision suffers fifth heart attack under attack from Infinity Ward Founders
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 03:51:37 PM
Activision looking for internal documents related to former Infinity Ward employees; Kotick moved to undisclosed, underground location in wake of legal fallout
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Snuflupagulus on March 04, 2010, 04:33:10 PM
Being a judge must be both amusing and debilitating.  You sometimes receive initial pleadings so frothy, so lathered, and so...pathetic that you couldn't help but giggle.  And then the realization comes that each side will be inundating you with materials that read like Days of Our Lives, with none of the slurpy kisses and all of the bickering.

Truly, "the implications of this lawsuit are tremendous and far-reaching." /g4  :lol  Not nearly as significant as my decision to go with the spicy curry for lunch today.  Colonics, psshaww.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 04, 2010, 05:26:03 PM
Nazi Germany is alive and well it seems.

So it's looking pretty good for another WWII CoD, then!  :hyper
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: duckman2000 on March 04, 2010, 05:36:02 PM
This is Dyack v Cliffy all over again. And just like with that thing, the threads will burn brightly with nerd passion for a few days, and then nothing.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Trent Dole on March 04, 2010, 07:40:38 PM
This is Dyack v Cliffy all over again. And just like with that thing, the threads will burn brightly with nerd passion for a few days, and then nothing.
I don't even remember that happening.  :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
Eh, this lawsuit has actual ramifications and all the stuff so far has been juicy. The Epic lawsuit was one-sided and nobody outside forums cares about Silicon Knights. Infinity Ward is pretty mainstream. It will get play.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: ManaByte on March 04, 2010, 08:30:22 PM
I find it interesting that the specifically mention EA in that memo. Could it have been so bad for them that they would run BACK to EA?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: maxy on April 12, 2010, 10:31:38 AM
http://www.vg247.com/2010/04/12/ea-announces-new-development-studio-head-by-zampella-west/ (http://www.vg247.com/2010/04/12/ea-announces-new-development-studio-head-by-zampella-west/)

 :rofl
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: brawndolicious on April 12, 2010, 10:39:20 AM
EA's street cred just skyrocketed.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2010, 10:42:36 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Beezy on April 12, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
EA is amazing this gen. :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 10:50:09 AM
Very interested in the eventual game that comes out of this although that will be 2 to 3 years at minimum I'm guessing.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
This makes EA's comments about Activision's counter-suit even funnier. :lol

EA has been on a roll this generation. A total departure from the last gen; seeing the EA logo usually makes me pretty confident in a purchase nowadays. Crazy, I know.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
What will be the other interesting bit is how much of IW stays at IW and how much moves over. The lead multiplayer designer has already left IW and I would guess is moving over. If this new company can pull even more talent over there from the original group then they will really be rolling.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: cool breeze on April 12, 2010, 11:52:08 AM
Would these guys really be doing a new shooter? I thought one of the reasons they were upset about Activision was that they kept them on a leash.  Chances are they're back with EA partly because EA is given them what they wanted, which is probably that freedom.  With a team working on Medal of Honor and DICE doing the Battlefield series, it would be silly to have another modern shooter crew. 
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 11:53:59 AM
I'll bet you a million dollars they are doing a shooter.

Now whether its a modern military shooter, or space marine shooter, or some other kind of shooter I have no idea. But I will bet dollars to donuts it will be some kind of shooter. It's the most popular genre on the HD systems and its something they are familar with.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: cool breeze on April 12, 2010, 11:59:38 AM
Here's hoping they do a loot based shooter like Borderlands that isn't as shallow and with bars and numbers out its ass
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 12, 2010, 12:58:02 PM
There taking everything Activision is stupidly throwing away

Its Hilarious  :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 01:20:10 PM
I doubt they're doing a modern combat shooter. Wasn't that exactly what caused all the tension with Activision in the first place - they wanted to work on something that was not Modern Wafare-related?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 12, 2010, 01:22:27 PM
I doubt they're doing a modern combat shooter. Wasn't that exactly what caused all the tension with Activision in the first place - they wanted to work on something that was not Modern Wafare-related?

possibly that and royalty stuff.

This whole situation is messed up since (rumored) Activision had no faith with COD going modern at the time.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 01:24:09 PM
I doubt they're doing a modern combat shooter. Wasn't that exactly what caused all the tension with Activision in the first place - they wanted to work on something that was not Modern Wafare-related?

If I was to guess I probably would also guess it wouldn't be exactly a Modern Warfare current military shooter although the style and tone of the game is likely to share a lot with their previous work.

And it will be all over the eventual marketing for the game. "From the makers of the COD Modern Warfare games" I would guess as that's the big marketing angle.  

Some version of "future modern warfare" would be my guess. Whether that's earth stuff or alien stuff I don't know.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 01:25:30 PM
Eh, Activision is doing what a lot of content publishers do when they make piles of cash; leveraging brand strength for short term gains, product quality be damned. Sure, they'll run the franchise into the ground, but they'll find something else to milk by then.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Sho Nuff on April 12, 2010, 02:17:03 PM
Lawyers on both sides are licking their lips for a guaranteed 6 years of active employment
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 02:25:08 PM
Lawyers on both sides are licking their lips for a guaranteed 6 years of active employment

 :lol

Damn true.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: demi on April 12, 2010, 03:47:10 PM
So they'll do something outside of COD and it will suck ass.

> Medal of Honor 2
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward, Activision announces more CoD games!
Post by: Himu on April 12, 2010, 04:00:13 PM
:bow

EA
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: TripleA on April 12, 2010, 04:28:22 PM
ActiVision really need to fire Kotick.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 05:07:08 PM
ActiVision really need to fire Kotick.
If/when the bottom line changes they will. If it doesn't they won't. Same as with any other businesss.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 13, 2010, 12:29:20 AM
http://kotaku.com/5515489/modern-warfare-team-loses-at-least-one-more-veteran

More senior IW staff are leaving.

Will they end up at Respawn, only time will tell.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: ManaByte on April 13, 2010, 03:18:27 AM
The EA press release states that their lawsuit is attempting to regain control of the Modern Warfare franchise from Activision.

Imagine Modern Warfare 3 published by EA. Kotick would hang himself.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Third on April 13, 2010, 06:58:48 AM
I hope the new studio makes a fps and it flops, hard.
Stupid 12-13 year olds and their boring fps games.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 13, 2010, 08:30:22 PM
More bailout drama

http://kotaku.com/5516474/modern-warfare-developer-sees-more-key-departures/Report_Infinity_Ward_Loses_More_Staff.php

Quote
A pair of Modern Warfare 2's lead designers, Steve Fukuda and Zied Reike, are said to have left the Encino-based Infinity Ward today. Fukuda joined the studio in January 2002, according to his LinkedIn profile, after leaving 2015, Inc., the developer of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and former home of Infinity Ward founders Jason West and Vince Zampella. Rieke had also been with Infinity Ward since the formation of the studio.

Quote
According to those same sources, programmer Rayme Vinson and lead artist Chris Cherubini have also left the studio. When reached via e-mail, Cherubini confirmed to Kotaku that he had resigned today.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Third on April 13, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
Why are they leaving? Didn't Activision pay them enough? The devs probably expected major bonusses, but they didn't get any,
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: brawndolicious on April 13, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
That raises the question that even if EA is giving them "complete control" over their own IP's, will they also give them proper financial incentive whenever a game does really well?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: ManaByte on April 13, 2010, 09:23:51 PM
That raises the question that even if EA is giving them "complete control" over their own IP's, will they also give them proper financial incentive whenever a game does really well?

They're an independent studio with EA just handling the publishing and distribution of their games.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: chronovore on April 13, 2010, 11:02:33 PM
Why are they leaving? Didn't Activision pay them enough? The devs probably expected major bonusses, but they didn't get any,
When you make such an incredibly popular game which sells so consistently and for so long, I think you get to redefine "enough."

It's mentioned earlier in this thread that the bonuses (bonii?) were delayed as Activision tried to figure out how to anchor everyone to their IW desk. It was also mentioned, in fairness, that bonuses were not necessarily supposed to be paid until March or April, so perhaps these recent departures are post-bonus, or after they were hornswaggled out of said bonus?

Related:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ea-well-take-a-back-seat-at-respawn
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 15, 2010, 03:46:09 PM
The bailout continues

http://kotaku.com/5517346/todays-update-on-the-great-modern-warfare-developer-bailout

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Longtime Infinity Ward employees Mark Grigsby and Paul Messerly have both left the studio, the team's lead animator and lead character animator, respectively.


Most who left were "Lead" <insert post here>, that can't be good for morale.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
Leads are much harder to replace than regular guys. It will be an interesting 2 or 3 years into the future for both companies.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: ManaByte on April 17, 2010, 04:26:45 PM
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Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 23, 2010, 07:04:21 PM
More Bailout goodness

http://kotaku.com/5523154/four-more-out-at-modern-warfare-studio-infinity-ward

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Senior designers Mohammad Alavi and Chad Grenier are out, along with programmer Chris Lambert and designer Jason McCord.

DAMN

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 23, 2010, 07:09:38 PM
Is there anyone else even working there anymore? Or is Robert Bowling the only person in the building, spending his days on Twitter in hopes that nobody notices that everyone left and nobody invited him? :-\
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: brawndolicious on April 23, 2010, 07:27:46 PM
it was a hundred person team.  if several dozen left then yeah the studio would just be a husk but the question is if the people who have left so far were more responsible for the good or the bad things about the call of duty series.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Purple Filth on April 23, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
it was a hundred person team.  if several dozen left then yeah the studio would just be a husk but the question is if the people who have left so far were more responsible for the good or the bad things about the call of duty series.

well since most who have left were Lead <insert job title here> or Senior <insert Job tile here> it could be both. 
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 23, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
You guys laughed at Sony's The Tester™ but it seems like at IW the play testers will be called to duty :smug
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: cool breeze on April 25, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
thinking about it, isn't this not that big of a problem for activision? realistically, the next game from IW would have been at least 2011.  by then they already have two or three call of duty games from other studios.  this new studio the old guys formed probably won't have a game for a long time, right? they're basically starting from scratch.  didn't MW2 use their own engine? even if they use something else (like id tech 5, ue3, cryengine 3) it would still mostly be starting from the beginning.  short term Activision won't stop pushing the franchise IW built, and long term, who knows if whatever respawn will do will be relevant in 2+ years.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: maxy on April 25, 2010, 03:49:43 PM
thinking about it, isn't this not that big of a problem for activision? realistically, the next game from IW would have been at least 2011.  by then they already have two or three call of duty games from other studios.  this new studio the old guys formed probably won't have a game for a long time, right? they're basically starting from scratch.  didn't MW2 use their own engine? even if they use something else (like id tech 5, ue3, cryengine 3) it would still mostly be starting from the beginning.  short term Activision won't stop pushing the franchise IW built, and long term, who knows if whatever respawn will do will be relevant in 2+ years.

I don't think they will license anything.
If they want to attack MW directly they have to use high-performance 60 fps oriented engine like MW one.
That means EA Dante Inferno engine or something similar from EA...

The next question is:"How much money is EA willing to give to them"
MW2 budget was huuge...rumors say $200 million with marketing

Is EA willing to invest that much into some new game?

And 2010 COD game will sell like hotcakes,especially if Vietnam rumors are true...

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
This story is a lot of hoopla over something that you won't even really begin to see until next gen.

The next Modern Warfare is a fall 2011 release. It's still going to be using the same engine as any game this late in the gen will be. It's still going to sell a ton of copies because people like the feel of the game and the tone of the game.

People leaving is never ideal but when you have a stable code base and engine that isn't going to be changing in the near future, they will be absolutely fine I'm guessing in the short term which is the next 2 or 3 years.

Now the one after that is an open question when they move on to new technology for the next gen and things tend to reshuffle anyway when a new gen happens. But that's at least 4 years away at the minimum for the next next modern warfare game.

The first respawn game is also at a minimum 2 to 3 years down the road. So its really far away before any of this starts having any real effect.

Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
Just to give a tally it's now 26 departed from IW and 12 to respawn.

I think Kotick played this one about as badly as it could have been played despite in the short term me still not thinking this will effect them that bad. But in the longer term he did pretty much everything wrong. He weakened his company and strengthened his top competitor. That's not smart. Stuff like Tony Hawk Ride is minor. Everybody has hits and misses but this is a much bigger deal than that.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/704257/Another-Two-Leave-Infinity-Ward-While-Two-More-Enlist-At-Respawn.html
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 02:38:03 PM
Activison is stupid.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2010, 06:01:21 PM
And in other news.

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Activision sued for up to $125 million by current, former Infinity Ward employees [updated]
April 27, 2010 |  2:22 pm
Activision's Call of Duty-related headaches just leveled up.

More than three dozen former and current employees of Infinity Ward, the Encino-based development studio that made the hugely successful Call of Duty: Modern Warfare video games for Activision Blizzard Inc., have sued the publisher claiming that they are owed between $75 million and $125 million in unpaid royalties and potentially more in compensatory damages.

The move by the 38 current and former staffers comes a little over a month after former Infinity Ward heads Jason West and Vince Zampella were fired by Activision and filed their own $36-million lawsuit against the Santa Monica-based publisher over allegedly unpaid royalties.

Two weeks ago, West and Zampella formed a new development studio called Respawn Entertainment and signed a deal with Activision's chief rival, Electronic Arts, Inc.

Since West and Zampella left Infinity Ward, a number of other employees have left the studio, some of whom have joined Respawn. Of the 38 employees involved in the lawsuit, 21 are former employees of Infinity Ward;  17 still work there. Approximately 95 people worked at Infinity Ward on last November's Modern Warfare 2, meaning that about 40% of its employees at that time are now suing Activision.

The ongoing dispute puts the future of the Call of Duty franchise, one of the pillars of Activision's success, in doubt. Modern Warfare 2 was the most successful video game of 2009 in the U.S. It sold about 20 million units around the world and generated an estimated $1.3 billion in revenue.

The lawsuit says that Activision owes Infinity Ward employees a bonus pool of at least $118 million, of which $82 million is supposed to go to employees other than West and Zampella.

It alleges that the publisher has withheld royalty payments in order to keep them from leaving as their former bosses did, putting at risk the potentially hugely lucrative release of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 planned for late 2011.

"Activision engaged in this inappropriate course of conduct in an attempt to force employees of Infinity Ward to continue to work at a job that many of them did not want just so Activision could force them to complete the development, production and delivery of Modern Warfare 3," the suit says.

It goes on to allege that Activision representatives told Infinity Ward employees that if West and Zampella had not been fired, the employees would have received bonuses approximately 2.5 times higher than what they were paid on March 26.
"Activision believes the action is without merit," a company spokesman said in response to the suit. "Activision retains the discretion to determine the amount and the schedule of bonus payments for MW2 and has acted consistent with its rights and the law at all times. We look forward to getting judicial confirmation that our position is right." [Updated at 2:35 p.m. with Activision response.]

The complaint filed Tuesday in Los Angeles Superior Court in Santa Monica is based in part on the same allegations contained in West and Zampella's suit. The plaintiffs' attorney has asked that the two cases be consolidated.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/04/activision-infinity-ward-employees-lawsuit-call-duty-modern-warfare.html
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 06:06:12 PM
Oh, Activision. :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Sho Nuff on April 27, 2010, 06:14:42 PM
Hahah holy shit! This gets more and more epic by the day
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: archie4208 on April 27, 2010, 06:21:16 PM
"Dang it, Bobby"

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Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Skidmark on April 27, 2010, 06:28:48 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 06:36:43 PM
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Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: maxy on April 28, 2010, 11:43:23 AM
I think that Activision will shut down IW,fire everybody and then create new studio,people that are willing to stay will stay.

Cat has spoken.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
The day after MW3 is released, of course. Can't be paying no bonuses.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: ManaByte on April 28, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
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Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: ManaByte on April 28, 2010, 04:18:21 PM
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=244605?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS
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Activision is likely to close Infinity Ward following the completion of the second Modern Warfare 2 map pack.

That's according to Janco Partners analyst Mike Hickey, who predicts that Modern Warfare 3 development will be handled by two other studios.

"Continued defections from their Infinity Ward studio have created meaningful uncertainty around the future of their Call of Duty: Modern Warfare franchise," he said in an investor note.

"We expect Infinity Ward studio will be essentially closed after their next map pack release, with development work on Modern Warfare 3 spread between two studios not historically tied to the franchise."
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Skidmark on April 28, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
It would be interesting to see how mw3 would end up being like.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2010, 07:05:09 PM
It would be interesting to see how mw3 would end up being like.
The assets and net code is already there so I don't think we'll see a huge loss in quality.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Skidmark on April 29, 2010, 05:43:58 PM
It would be interesting to see how mw3 would end up being like.
The assets and net code is already there so I don't think we'll see a huge loss in quality.

Yeah, that's what stoney told me too.
I thought that we might get something in between COD and the Lego games engines.  :lol
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Bloodwake on April 30, 2010, 01:09:55 PM
Modern Warfare 3?

Directed by Neversoft? lol.
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: cool breeze on April 30, 2010, 02:13:18 PM
http://www.callofduty.com/blackops/home/agegate

Call of Duty: Black Ops

coming out November 9th from Treyarch
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2010, 02:22:01 PM
Why do I have to put in a birth date to see a 'coming soon'?
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2013, 01:03:15 AM
Decent Vanity Fair article that recaps the end result of everything. I think most of it is known except for this little tidbit.

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But the story wasn’t over. A person close to the company says that revelations about West’s erratic behavior at Activision, which came out during the depositions, upset Zampella. “Vince felt that Jason was sabotaging the company,” says the source. As the Respawn team scrambled to finish Titanfall, West was barely coming to the office. In March, he officially parted ways with his longtime partner, moving his family to North Carolina and leaving Zampella in control of Respawn. In an interview in April, Zampella refused to elaborate on what had separated them—except to say, “It’s hard to work with one person for 15 years.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/06/lawsuit-video-game-activision-zampella-west
Title: Re: West, Zampella fired from Infinity Ward... move on to form new dev studio w/ EA
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2013, 01:12:18 AM
whoops wrong thread