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Title: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 12:14:41 AM
http://www.viddler.com/explore/Seanpit/videos/4/

I like this guy, he is a creationist but he doesnt make up shit and lie.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2010, 12:20:02 AM
Without clicking on the link, FUCKING NO.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 12:21:15 AM
Going to watch this.  Nothing wrong with making sure that so-called evolutionary "science" passes rigorous questioning.

:bow Sean D Pittman :bow2
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 12:23:58 AM
Without clicking on the link, FUCKING NO.

You know what he says already?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 17, 2010, 12:24:39 AM
Without clicking on the link, FUCKING NO.

gonna have to agree with this
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Without clicking on the link, FUCKING NO.

You know what he says already?

A shame that Darwinists are so closed-minded...can't accept their beloved evolutionary THEORY might be completely off-base.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2010, 12:29:50 AM
he is a creationist but he doesnt make up shit and lie.

You can't have one without the other.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 12:30:32 AM
smh
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 12:33:11 AM
A shame that Darwinists are so closed-minded...can't accept their beloved evolutionary THEORY might be completely off-base.

Essentially that is what makes the difference between a religion and a science, science has the possibility of being falsifiable and a new theory developed, if you dont allow that it makes it into a religion.  That is why I love science.  If you thought lets say "the theory of gravity" is wrong you can test it to see if it works.


he is a creationist but he doesnt make up shit and lie.

You can't have one without the other.

I thought so too since so many do, but this guy seems legit.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 12:39:03 AM
A shame that Darwinists are so closed-minded...can't accept their beloved evolutionary THEORY might be completely off-base.

Essentially that is what makes the difference between a religion and a science, science has the possibility of being falsifiable and a new theory developed, if you dont allow that it makes it into a religion.  That is why I love science.  If you thought lets say "the theory of gravity" is wrong you can test it to see if it works.

Blasphemer.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2010, 12:40:17 AM
Without clicking on the link, FUCKING NO.

You know what he says already?

A shame that Darwinists are so closed-minded...can't accept their beloved evolutionary THEORY might be completely off-base.

Did Ichi's account get hacked by Phoenix Dark?  ???
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2010, 12:46:15 AM
this guy seems legit.

Does he propose a falsifiable theory of creationism?

If no, why should we give a shit?

If yes, pull the other one.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 12:53:37 AM
Craetionism by default is falsifiable i.e. that the world is 6000 years old.  SAme way that the theory of evolution is falsifiable ie that the world is millions(billions?) of years old.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2010, 01:25:26 AM
I Googled the slideshow (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ENC0f_YVl8cJ:www.detectingdesign.com/Presentations/Lecture%25202%2520-%2520The%2520Best%2520Arguments%2520Against%2520ID%25202.ppt+%22best+arguments+against+intelligent+design%22+transcript&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) that goes along with this talk.

Assuming it's representative of his speech, then there's no reason for anyone to waste their time listening to it.  It's the standard set of ID talking points.  Behe!  Dembski!  Irreducible Complexity!

I recognize the cliches cause I did my laps on the hamster wheel that is internet debate on evolution.  It helped me learn how to organize my thoughts, but it also taught me that unless a person is still in the early, squishy-brained phase of their life, then odds are vanishingly small that they can be swayed by reason on topics like this.

At a certain age, treating ID as credible is a sign that someone very much wants ID to be credible, and that any discussion on the matter will be pointless chin-stroking.

If the 79 at the end of your handle refers to your birth year, and you don't already understand the dishonesty of the Watchmaker metaphor, then there's really no point having it explained to you.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 01:31:12 AM
i've not watched it all but the whole ideas fall down the second you DEMAND that that something has to have a creator, but THEN exclude God!

i am watching now, so far - lot of "wookie defense" being employed! "BU BU HUMANS MADE COMPUTERS!!!!" :/

okay, stopped watchin, started skipping through - what are the odds of evolution? science theories are never 100% certain! Dawkings! Some other guy who earned money from books - probably some science scam, etc etc.

I think you missed his point there, he was arguing that while humans made computers that computers arent less interestign in their workings.  Did you miss the part about kenneth miller?  Anyway this guy hasnt writtent a book yet.


I Googled the slideshow (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ENC0f_YVl8cJ:www.detectingdesign.com/Presentations/Lecture%25202%2520-%2520The%2520Best%2520Arguments%2520Against%2520ID%25202.ppt+%22best+arguments+against+intelligent+design%22+transcript&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) that goes along with this talk.

Assuming it's representative of his speech, then there's no reason for anyone to waste their time listening to it.  It's the standard set of ID talking points.  Behe!  Dembski!  Irreducible Complexity!

I recognize the cliches cause I did my laps on the hamster wheel that is internet debate on evolution.  It helped me learn how to organize my thoughts, but it also taught me that unless a person is still in the early, squishy-brained phase of their life, then odds are vanishingly small that they can be swayed by reason on topics like this.

At a certain age, treating ID as credible is a sign that someone very much wants ID to be credible, and that any discussion on the matter will be pointless chin-stroking.

If the 79 at the end of your handle refers to your birth year, and you don't already understand the dishonesty of the Watchmaker metaphor, then there's really no point having it explained to you.

He also talks about how Kenneth miller seems to have destroyed behe and such.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2010, 01:32:28 AM
Mandark, regardless of his age you'd be wasting your time on Damian.  He's "proud" of being a weeabootastic japafag.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 01:37:13 AM
What is the watchmaker metaphor?   ???
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 01:42:11 AM
the watchmaker metaphor suggests that anything of sufficient complexity had to have a creator. of course, it complete fails to acknowledge that the very idea of "complexity" is a human psychological construct -- to the universe, a rock is no different to a human is no different to a watch is no different to a galaxy.  the idea of "complexity" only matters to us and our distinguished mentally-challenged sense of awe
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 01:45:00 AM
the watchmaker metaphor suggests that anything of sufficient complexity had to have a creator. of course, it complete fails to acknowledge that the very idea of "complexity" is a human psychological construct -- to the universe, a rock is no different to a human is no different to a watch is no different to a galaxy.  the idea of "complexity" only matters to us and our distinguished mentally-challenged sense of awe

I have never seen this argument.  Explain to me the bolded part please.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 01:45:52 AM
it's all just matter and energy in a specific random configuration, dude. to the nameless span of material existence, absent all human attempts to force their metaphors on the universe that surrounds them, a person is the same thing as a rock: a bunch of particles that exist in a specific configuration occupyng a specific place at a specific moment in time

if you think that sucks, kill yourself

if not,  :patel
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 01:50:42 AM
it's all just matter and energy in a specific random configuration, dude. to the nameless void that surrounds us, absent all human attempts to force their metaphors on the universe that surrounds them, a person is the same thing as a rock: a bunch of particles that exist in a specific configuration occupyng a specific place at a specific moment in time

Doesnt that imply there is no need for evolution, abiogenesis, big bang etc. etc.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 01:51:13 AM
also, all creationists make shit up and lie. that's what religion is. making shit up and lying isn't always awful; human society thrives on many, many necessary lies
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 01:51:40 AM
it's all just matter and energy in a specific random configuration, dude. to the nameless void that surrounds us, absent all human attempts to force their metaphors on the universe that surrounds them, a person is the same thing as a rock: a bunch of particles that exist in a specific configuration occupyng a specific place at a specific moment in time

Doesnt that imply there is no need for evolution, abiogenesis, big bang etc. etc.

of course there's no NEED for it. what NEEDS it? doesn't mean it hasn't happened or isn't happening, of course
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 01:53:01 AM
i will say that zen buddhism at least has the defense of contemplating what *is*, not what *was* or what *should be*
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2010, 01:55:09 AM
ITT Prole proves me right.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 01:55:48 AM
of course there's no NEED for it. what NEEDS it? doesn't mean it hasn't happened or isn't happening, of course

So you are sayibng that the universe just is as it is.  Just exists the way it is without any reason or order?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 01:57:43 AM
i am saying experience the universe as you know it to be, not what you want it to be

you are the one who wants it to be reasoned and ordered. just because you want it to be so does not make it so any more than an atheist wanting it to be pure chaos might make it so. of course, the atheist has the benefit of working from the simplest set of assumptions, so chances are he's setting himself for less disappointment, or at least less gullibility to ID frauds on the interwubs
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2010, 02:01:17 AM
of course there's no NEED for it. what NEEDS it? doesn't mean it hasn't happened or isn't happening, of course

So you are sayibng that the universe just is as it is.  Just exists the way it is without any reason or order?

Yearning for a higher purpose is human and not a bad thing.  But don't let it make you believe utter bullshit about physical phenomena, especially the stuff which has been sussed out by people who put in the hours to study it rigorously and honestly.  It's disrespectful to them, and to the greater ideal of human intellect and discovery.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 02:04:07 AM
really. let science get to the Compleat Epistemology Of All Thangs in its own due time. sorry you're so impatient, but imposing your view of what proper "order and reason" is on the universe and existence isn't gonna somehow make you ultimately correct. these things are hard! people are dumb! it's gonna take YEARS
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 02:04:24 AM
prole is smert

i also enjoyed avatar
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 02:13:46 AM
This makes no sense to me.  It is like saying that 1 centimetre is no difference to a metre to the universe.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 02:15:20 AM
it isn't. a "metre" is a human notion
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Damian79 on March 17, 2010, 02:18:51 AM
@_@  I dont think i can ever understand that concept.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 17, 2010, 02:19:15 AM
This makes no sense to me.  It is like saying that 1 centimetre is no difference to a metre to the universe.

i have a feeling that even if you quoted what this was in response to, it'd still be a non-sequitur
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 02:19:43 AM
yet you profess to understand the illogical gibberish spewed by one sean d pittman ???
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2010, 02:20:57 AM
@_@  I dont think i can ever understand that concept.

Really? I consider myself a very stupid person and I can perfectly understand Prole's point.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2010, 02:21:58 AM
smh @ the OP
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 17, 2010, 02:32:41 AM
prole :bow2
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: brawndolicious on March 17, 2010, 03:03:25 AM
@_@  I dont think i can ever understand that concept.
matter itself cannot be defined.  we can say what we observe but we know (after trial & error) that our assumptions are often incorrect.  Even in this century, we constantly discover new things about the way that the universe works.  You shouldn't assume anything is not a theory.  This is why it is impossible to prove God as it is also impossible to disprove it.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 03:42:14 AM
Prole won't be going to Heaven. :(
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2010, 03:44:14 AM
He'll go to an afterlife where he's forced to be a Nintendo tester for all eternity, constantly playing games 10-12 years behind the times.
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Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 03:55:25 AM
No, the only game he'll be able to play is Nintendogs.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: muckhole on March 17, 2010, 03:57:58 AM
While eating protein bars.
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Post by: Ichirou on March 17, 2010, 03:58:35 AM
And sitting on the floor.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2010, 04:23:49 AM
With Dean Koontz audiobooks playing 24/7
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
Did god put the dinosaurs there to test your faith?

Did evolution put dinosaurs there to test your gullibility?

:smug
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2010, 10:48:54 AM
God is up there in heaven with celestial sized crotchet hooks, knitting the fabric of our reality. String theory explained :smug
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Tristam on March 17, 2010, 10:53:34 AM
@_@  I dont think i can ever understand that concept.

A bit from a free web-based statistics textbook may help you better understand what Prole is saying:

Quote from: statistics textbook
When measurement involves simply counting out the number of a set of items or events according to the series of cardinal numbers—one, two, three, four, etc.—the scale of measurement is spoken of as an absolute scale. All other commonly recognized measurement scales are relative in the sense that they are designed to measure not the absolute number of items or events but rather the magnitude of some particular attribute—length, width, weight, temperature, velocity, electrical potential, etc.—relative to the units of some particular scale that has been designed, or has evolved, for taking the measure of that attribute.
http://faculty.vassar.edu/lowry/webtext.html (http://faculty.vassar.edu/lowry/webtext.html)

God is up there in heaven with celestial sized crotchet hooks, knitting the fabric of our reality. String theory explained :smug

 :lol
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2010, 11:10:41 AM
Did god put the dinosaurs there to test your faith?

Did evolution put dinosaurs there to test your gullibility?

:smug

(http://controversy.wearscience.com/img450/devil.gif)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Disposable White Guy on March 17, 2010, 11:21:35 AM
God is up there in heaven with celestial sized crotchet hooks, knitting the fabric of our reality. String theory explained :smug

:rofl
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 17, 2010, 06:14:35 PM
People make up this shit because they don't want to believe that when we die there is nothing waiting for us except maggots that eat our decomposing flesh. I do admit that the fantasy of some kind of beautiful afterlife where you can reconnect with loved ones that have past and live in peace for all eternity does sound a lot more appealing.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Eric P on March 17, 2010, 06:18:44 PM
you don't know my family

put me down for "maggots" plz
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: etiolate on March 17, 2010, 06:20:33 PM
I always saw no afterlife and no judgement as far more relieving than a merit based afterlife.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mupepe on March 17, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
I agree with etiolate.  Let me fucking go and be done.  Anyone who believes that God will create some beautiful afterlife where we're all perfectly happy is fucked.  Did these assholes not read the bible?  That's not how this God fucking works.  Chances are it's filled with another fucking book and a bunch of other dilemmas and tasks and temptations all for who knows what.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 17, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
In this thread, Generation X'ers become atheists because of overwhelming desire to believe that their extended family (or immediate family!) will hopefully stay dead and never be heard from again.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Mupepe on March 17, 2010, 06:36:16 PM
I fucking hope so.  Although I believe they'll end up in hell before I do so it's okay.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2010, 06:38:14 PM
Hey, Prole, can I trade you some dollar bills for hundreds?  In the grand scheme of life, they're basically worth the same. 
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 06:47:32 PM
that would assume that *i* don't value my life and well-being, which i do -- i am perfectly fine anthropomorphizing myself, on account of being human and all

unless you are assuming that the universe begins and ends with me

spoiler (click to show/hide)
it does, fags :smug
[close]
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Post by: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2010, 06:59:14 PM
We all know in our heart of hearts that the afterlife is exactly like A Dream May Come. Painterly vistas, Robin Williams and family members who have already passed on disguised as Cuba Gooding :fbm
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
what dreams may come was originally penned by richard matheson

Teh Moar You Know(tm)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 17, 2010, 07:56:56 PM
i like to think there's a hell, and i don't even mind going there as long as i get a room with a window through which i can watch the souls of people who made my life miserable burn and writhe in agony along with me for all eternity

i think that's a pretty fair trade

heaven i don't have much of an opinion on, but my mom's had a pretty shitty life and she's a believer, so i at least hope she gets one

she can have mine, if gifting is allowed
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 17, 2010, 07:59:33 PM
I am pretty sure heaven is not like Steam, and that God is not like Gabe Newell.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 17, 2010, 08:00:22 PM
i am pretty sure it doesn't exist so it can be whatever i want it to be
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 17, 2010, 08:03:10 PM
Then why not imagine it to be like PlayStation HOME instead.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 17, 2010, 08:12:39 PM
microtransactions

steam is much better

MOM,

You've received gift copies of the games Counter-Strike and Everlasting Happiness from KEVIN

Buckle Up,

YOUR SON
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on March 17, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
Without clicking on the link, FUCKING NO.

A-fucking-men.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2010, 09:38:12 PM
microtransactions

steam is much better

MOM,

You've received gift copies of the games Counter-Strike and Everlasting Happiness from KEVIN

Buckle Up,

YOUR SON

:lol

alternatively

FORMER BOSS AT GAMESTOP,

You've received gift copies of the games Iron Roses and A Pitchfork Up the Poo-Haw For All Eternity from KEVIN

Game On,

KEVIN
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2010, 10:27:43 PM
so in the grand scheme of things, Wii=Xbox 360?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 17, 2010, 11:01:36 PM
budget celestial gpu  :gloomy
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Reb on March 18, 2010, 07:47:12 AM
God or any supranatural being is a non issue, we cant prove it one way or the other. Thats why its best ignored completely and in that aspect I think the atheist are the smartest.

Agnostics you mean, because atheists are the same as religious people but at the other end of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: brawndolicious on March 18, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.
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Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 08:34:51 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.

That makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 18, 2010, 08:36:50 AM
oh ffs, if you can't handle the big words just watch this damian

[youtube=560,345]dcncPpQ8loA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 18, 2010, 08:38:02 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Heaven is still open to us :smug Oh wait :fbm
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: brawndolicious on March 18, 2010, 08:52:03 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.

That makes absolutely no sense.
as in they're trying to make a commitment to a particular "side" so as to show their confidence in their superior logic.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 18, 2010, 08:59:05 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.

That makes absolutely no sense.
as in they're trying to make a commitment to a particular "side" so as to show their confidence in their superior logic.

That's the exact opposite of "hedging their bets".
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Reb on March 18, 2010, 09:00:31 AM
I could imagine somebody calling agnostics atheists hedging their bets.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: brawndolicious on March 18, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.
That makes absolutely no sense.
as in they're trying to make a commitment to a particular "side" so as to show their confidence in their superior logic.
That's the exact opposite of "hedging their bets".
It actually has nothing to do with logic.  An agnostic position would make the most sense as their is no evidence for or against supernatural beings (because all evidence is obviously bound by physical laws) but the problem is that a neutral agnostic would gain no support or respect from anyone in a philosophical argument.  It's as deep as looking at the mid-east conflict and saying "I'm gonna support the ones who throw rocks but don't shoot bullets because I hate war".

you follow?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: tiesto on March 18, 2010, 10:26:41 AM
Mandark, regardless of his age you'd be wasting your time on Damian.  He's "proud" of being a weeabootastic japafag.

Being weeabootastic and believing in evolution aren't mutually exclusive tho :smug
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 10:30:08 AM
neutral agnostics not involving themselves in polarized debate isn't tantamount to that position "not gaining support or respect from anyone".  Basically what you're describing is someone choosing to pick up an AK-47 when they have the option of not getting involved in the conflict at all.  Wouldn't not getting involved be a much more sensible way of "hedging your bets?"

How can someone who has put all his money on one horse be described as "hedging his bets?" 
 
:spin :spin :spin Am Nintenho posts!!! :spin :spin :spin


Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 18, 2010, 11:33:28 AM
atheists are just agnostics hedging their bets.
That makes absolutely no sense.
as in they're trying to make a commitment to a particular "side" so as to show their confidence in their superior logic.
That's the exact opposite of "hedging their bets".
It actually has nothing to do with logic.  An agnostic position would make the most sense as their is no evidence for or against supernatural beings (because all evidence is obviously bound by physical laws) but the problem is that a neutral agnostic would gain no support or respect from anyone in a philosophical argument.  It's as deep as looking at the mid-east conflict and saying "I'm gonna support the ones who throw rocks but don't shoot bullets because I hate war".

you follow?

Yes, I do. So I'm going to "hedge my bets" and agree with you 100%.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Himu on March 18, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
you don't know my family

put me down for "maggots" plz

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/717604
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Himu on March 18, 2010, 11:43:43 AM
I always saw no afterlife and no judgement as far more relieving than a merit based afterlife.

Fuck it. This life already feels like an eternity.

Why would anyone want to live forever?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: brawndolicious on March 18, 2010, 05:06:12 PM
neutral agnostics not involving themselves in polarized debate isn't tantamount to that position "not gaining support or respect from anyone".  Basically what you're describing is someone choosing to pick up an AK-47 when they have the option of not getting involved in the conflict at all.  Wouldn't not getting involved be a much more sensible way of "hedging your bets?"
How can someone who has put all his money on one horse be described as "hedging his bets?" 
:spin :spin :spin Am Nintenho posts!!! :spin :spin :spin
The thing is I'm convinced that they just want to have a debate that they "win", not necessarily a constructive debate.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 06:01:26 PM
who does?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 07:43:42 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/35d5dlz.jpg)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 07:45:29 PM
duuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrpppppppppp
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 08:02:29 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/35d5dlz.jpg)

pull the word "magically" from there, and that's pretty much right. magic definitely doesn't make any sense, despite what christians tell us
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 08:11:04 PM
I could imagine somebody calling agnostics atheists hedging their bets.

yeah

exactly.  At least that makes some sense.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 08:11:33 PM
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Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 08:16:40 PM
I'm pretty sure atheists believe in radiowaves and all that other shit crossed out there on the bottom.

Not expecting you to actually think through what you're posting beforehand tho.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 08:17:27 PM
powerslave is like his own trig palin: he trots himself out on stage, looking for pathos
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 08:19:43 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2u7swgz.jpg)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
well, we do have an empathic function (present to varying degrees in various individuals) which allows us to operate as social animals. when coupled with a culture and the attendant set of social contracts, it's SORT of a moral code. i mean, there *is* a reason we haven't created a eugenics program to sexually sterilize powerslave yet. or perhaps that's because it isn't necessary, since genetics already took care of that potential situation for us. :smug
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 08:26:29 PM
hey prole


(http://i42.tinypic.com/2mxitt5.jpg)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
powerslave, no dispute from me there!
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 08:39:49 PM
is God the flying translucent jellyfish or that silhouette of a sea lion in the background? 

You're right man this shit is tough.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 08:45:27 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/5vapur.png)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
clearly heaven is heavy into airbrush work, although i woulda been happier if it looked more like a roger dean landscape

Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 08:46:56 PM
:lol

that one was funny at least.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
only the athiest of all athing atheists can grok it
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 08:48:43 PM
Which is the one whether you don't care if there is a god or not?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 08:49:06 PM
:lol

that one was funny at least.

no one cares what you think about it
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 08:50:16 PM
I don't know whether I believe in God or not.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 08:55:45 PM
:lol

that one was funny at least.

no one cares what you think about it

Uhh.  God cares for all his children  :wag
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 09:01:16 PM
You're hell spawn.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 09:01:57 PM
that may be true but he sure as hell isnt gonna care about what some goofball thinks about a picture on the internet. Atheists are indeed stupid.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 09:03:28 PM
actually he DOES care. perhaps you might have read a little book he wrote called i dunno THE BIBLE where he has some very butthurt reactions to blasphemy
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 09:04:12 PM
actually he DOES care. perhaps you might have read a little book he wrote called i dunno THE BIBLE where he has some very butthurt reactions to blasphemy

What's worse, blasphemy or priests diddling little kids?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 09:05:08 PM
chipopo laughed at the last panel at how the atheist went on a rant spree. Nothing to do with blasphemy you moran
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 09:05:13 PM
If you ask forgiveness they are the same thing :smug
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 18, 2010, 09:06:39 PM
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You're hell spawn.

God loves even his hell spawn.  I'm only hell spawn insofar as I refuse his love.  

Quote
that may be true but he sure as hell isnt gonna care about what some goofball thinks about a picture on the internet. Atheist are indeed stupid.


There is no place on earth outside Gods love.  Not even the internet.

What kind of bullshit is this that I know my Christian theology better than you?


Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 09:10:38 PM
lol ur dumb
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 09:12:37 PM
If you ask forgiveness they are the same thing :smug

Only if you're a Protestant!
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 09:14:14 PM
Nah man, Catholics get the same deal.  Except when we ask forgiveness the penance from the priest may be different.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 09:17:04 PM
Nah man, Catholics get the same deal.  Except when we ask forgiveness the penance from the priest may be different.

But Catholics believe it has to be faith and good works.  So you can't just ask forgiveness and expect to be saved.  I took ethics classes in Catholic school and they spend like a month talking about the difference between Catholic and other christian faiths.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 09:19:43 PM
Penance is good works, isn't it? And that's up to the priest who acts on 'behalf' of God. 
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
Penance can just be using a rosary to say the Lord's Prayer and Hail Marys.  You're supposed to do good works on your own initiative.

As I understand it from ethics classes (15 years ago, and I've never been a particularly devout Catholic), one of the big differences between Catholicism and Protestantism is that Catholics believe that you need faith AND good works if you want to achieve salvation, whereas Protestantism teaches that faith alone is sufficient.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 09:26:21 PM
From memory penance can be a priest telling you to do charity work etc so good acts as well.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 18, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
Whenever I went to confession they just made me say prayers, they never asked me to do any good acts in specific.  But I dunno...I'm a pretty bad Catholic.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 18, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
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In this Sacrament, the penitent (repentant sinner, known as confessant) accuses himself of his sins to an ordained priest (known as confessor). The priest may then offer advice and imposes a particular penance to be performed. The penitent then prays an Act of Contrition, the priest administers absolution, thus formally forgiving the penitent of his sins, and finally sends him out with words of dismissal. Often, penitential acts consist simply of prayers, fasting, charitable work or giving, or a combination thereof. Such penance is frequently accompanied by a requirement for the penitent to be reconciled with anyone against whom he or she has sinned. The most common penances involve the recitation of standard prayers, such as the Lord's Prayer and the Hail Mary, meditation on particular scriptural passages, or praying the rosary with special penitential intentions. The priest is bound by the seal of confession not to reveal or discuss a penitents sins with others. Violation of the seal of confession incurs the most severe ecclesiastical penalty of excommunication for the violating priest. The confession can be made face-to-face or in a private confessional with a screen dividing the priest and person confessing sins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penance#Roman_Catholicism

It's slightly harder than those lazy Protestants.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 18, 2010, 11:51:35 PM
back ontopic


(http://i41.tinypic.com/1z542vo.jpg)


lmao atheists :rofl
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 18, 2010, 11:54:02 PM
TEH HOLY SPIRIT RAPED A BEAR! AND THAT BEAR WAS MY FATHER!! :lol
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2010, 11:54:28 PM
STRAWMAN COMIX seems to be rather prolific these days
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Barry Egan on March 19, 2010, 12:01:49 AM
in lieu of real discussion here's a .jpg about atheists being unwilling to have real discussion.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 19, 2010, 12:05:03 AM
That's my Powerslave!
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 19, 2010, 12:12:22 AM
You guys are just upset because your fathers are bears.  It must have been hard as a child explain to your friends that your fathers were hairy gay dudes.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 12:12:25 AM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/241la9c.jpg)
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 19, 2010, 12:13:45 AM
I'm starting to think Powerslave is the one making these things.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 01:44:32 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2u7swgz.jpg)

So did God mean or do this?

graphic holocaust/haiti;etc pics

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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(http://www.personal.psu.edu/suj133/blogs/ist590-fall2008/starving-child.jpg)
[close]

So God created the Earth and the universe and allows disasters like this to happen, but somehow has the audacity to make someone else's life better? Why would God prefer to care about a middle class American who takes everything for granted and instead of creating earthquakes that kill thousands, or not solving a starvation in Africa and Asia?

If God made us humans to be perfect, how come hawks and eagles have better vision than humans and how come they can fly and we can't? Because if we were superior we would be able to do all other things other animals could.

So how are we superior?

If God created the Earth and the heavens and the universe, who created God?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 01:45:25 AM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/241la9c.jpg)

All atheists are the same people and act the same way.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 01:45:43 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/5vapur.png)

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2010, 04:29:10 AM
It's not surprising that a slope headed euro mongoloid like powerslave would be a creationist.  Looks like it's time to leper him again.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 19, 2010, 04:35:59 AM
Powerslave was lepered at one point?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2010, 04:46:25 AM
I'm pretty sure powerslave has been lepered before, maybe multiple times.  Or maybe he was always in the running but never got the love.  Anyway he's fuck all annoying and useless, why not leper him?
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: brawndolicious on March 19, 2010, 06:42:41 AM
PS doesn't make a lot of threads.  Mostly he comes into an existing thread and posts memes or comics.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Ichirou on March 19, 2010, 07:08:46 AM
I remember when he used to be a normal poster before he decided to turn into a professional troll.

:bow Old EB :bow2
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Reb on March 19, 2010, 07:09:10 AM
He once made a funny post in a crappy Borys thread.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 19, 2010, 07:36:09 AM
Just put him on the ignore list.  Considering that his posts lack any kind of tangible content, putting him on the ignore list allows you to just see his name, with the assumption that he most definitely said something distinguished mentally-challenged or some rehashed 4chan meme.  Lepering would be pointless since he doesn't post many threads and if you disable his ability to post images, it won't deter him from threadshitting.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2010, 08:05:20 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/5vapur.png)

 :lol :lol :lol

How can that stupid atheist not accept such awesome circular logic.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 09:14:47 AM
aww look at all the cute analyses. I'm not even gonna bother to correct all the false ones :-[
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 19, 2010, 10:12:38 AM
Powerslave doesn't believe in anything guys. Its obvious he's trolling for kicks.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 19, 2010, 10:16:37 AM
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Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 19, 2010, 10:41:53 AM
GUYS WHO MADE GOD

WE DID :smug
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 06:21:29 PM
Powerslave used to be a force on this forum. Now even Borys is the more respected EuroEB member
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 06:28:03 PM
the downfall of a superpower...
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 06:29:40 PM
Sort of like how Iron Maiden used to be awesome and then became a bad parody of Iron Maiden
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 06:31:26 PM
Kiss me, ps.
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 06:35:27 PM
pd coming in with his 'stone cold truths' again
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 06:36:24 PM
Kiss me, ps.

nah you guys broke my heart. No more kisses and love from me :'(
Title: Re: Does Sean D Pittman make valid points for intelligent design? 1hr 8 mins
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 07:17:08 PM
WHO CARES WHO POWERSLAVE LOVES LOLLLLLLOLL :smug :smug :smug




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