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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 05:53:00 PM

Title: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
It is remarkable how they have gone from a superpower dev to irrelevancy

-whaaaa it is too hard to make HD towns
-whaaa we need more manpower to remake FFVII(do not want)
-whaaaaaa a rpg must be linear in order to tell a good story  :lol
-whaaaaaaaaa FFXIII was just a test game, wait for FFXV,  ::)

I am playing the 360 version of FFXIII, and it is amazing how shitty this port is. You can see the compression in the videos, the textures are ass and the setting often muddy. Jesus what went wrong, was it the Squaresoft part or just Enix?

Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Positive Touch on March 19, 2010, 05:55:16 PM
thanks for starting this discussion; it was really starting to get on my nerves that no one was talking about it
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
Matsuno's FFXII is like 10x better than this shit (FFXII post-Matsuno wasn't as good though)
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Beezy on March 19, 2010, 06:01:30 PM
Tri-Ace first
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Mupepe on March 19, 2010, 06:07:17 PM
FF XIII is enjoyable as fuck.  Why the hell do you care so much about graphics?  It's pretty entertaining to me and a lot of others.

But for my personal taste?  They should bring back the win the song.  That's classic.  Bring back world maps.  So much fun.  And don't factor in an Auto Battle next time.  Please

Other than that, they're not bad.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 19, 2010, 06:10:04 PM
Tri-Ace first

co-sign
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 19, 2010, 06:18:32 PM
FF12 was the pinnacle of FF series. It was on BG level of awesome. As I did not play FF13 yet SquareEnix still rules :rock :rock


think of a game that's the opposite of XII...that's XIII.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 19, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
Yeah

XII - awful

XIII - awesome
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
FF13 is a decent game that's enjoyable.

Anyways, I've been on the SMT and DQ train for years now so FF doesn't really mean much to me anymore anyways, especially since we have to wait 4 years for a new entry now.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: cool breeze on March 19, 2010, 06:41:58 PM
SE is publishing Just Cause 2 next week.  They're at the top of their game.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Square Enix is awesome

this thread sucks
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 07:33:35 PM
whaaaaaaa nobody could possibly want world maps after 9 games with world maps
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 07:35:00 PM
whaaaaaaaaaa we love using the same visual style ever since FFX over and over again
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Mupepe on March 19, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
whaaaaaaa nobody could possibly want world maps after 9 games with world maps
fuck you.

whaaaaaaaaaa we love using the same visual style ever since FFX over and over again
fuck you.  VIII and IX were the pinnacle of visual sex for the FF series
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
eh read it again?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 07:45:47 PM
Yes, FF10, 11, 12, 13, and now 14 all have the same visual style.

What?

???
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2010, 07:47:34 PM
again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 07:49:53 PM
FF XIII is enjoyable as fuck.


how is walking on a straight line fighting color-swapped enemies enjoyable? There is like 2-3 different enemies in every area. Great variation...

Quote
again,

this thread sucks

what's so good about FFXIII?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 19, 2010, 07:50:03 PM
Ok many of you need to know what 'should' means. 
After selling millions of units of dragon quest and final fantasy, worldwide, they 'should' still be in business.  That's what 'should' means.  As long as they can sell interactive fmvs at a profit, they will.  End.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 07:53:13 PM
again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 07:54:57 PM
Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think, and at least with XIII the story is actually pretty engaging (relatively speaking, of course).  Now if only we can get some decent character design.  Only ones I'm fond of in this game is Lightning and Fang.  Music is great, too.

tl;dr--SantaC is still dumb and makes stupid comments to get attention.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 07:56:23 PM
Yes, FF10, 11, 12, 13, and now 14 all have the same visual style.

What?

???

they all resemble each other a fucking goddamn lot. End of discussion.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 07:59:29 PM
Not really.  XII had a great distinct style.  Too bad the game blew
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 07:59:50 PM
Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think, and at least with XIII the story is actually pretty engaging (relatively speaking, of course).  Now if only we can get some decent character design.  Only ones I'm fond of in this game is Lightning and Fang.  Music is great, too.

tl;dr--SantaC is still dumb and makes stupid comments to get attention.


1) The game is more linear than FFX. In FFX, you had real dungeons atleast
2) The story is good? What what, I take FFX's story of Sin over this l'cie crap.
3) The music is very forgettable, bunch of Jpop and ambient tunes you soon grow tired of. It cant touch FFX's OST.

Who is dumb now? How about admitting you're wrong.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:01:06 PM
Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think

Replay FF10. Also, it's not only the linearity that hurts FF13, it's the lack of variety. In FF10, you had towns, you had mini-dungeons with puzzles. It wasn't just battle, cutscene, battle cutscene.

Linearity is fine so long as you make the game varied enough to make this set up interesting from beginning to end.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:01:25 PM
Yes, FF10, 11, 12, 13, and now 14 all have the same visual style.

What?

???

they all resemble each other a fucking goddamn lot. End of discussion.

No they don't.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:02:20 PM
When did you get so damn arrogant and cocky, Santa? You were so nice on gaf. What happened?  :lol
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 19, 2010, 08:03:48 PM
FF12 was the pinnacle of FF series.
:bow Borys
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
When did you get so damn arrogant and cocky, Santa? You were so nice on gaf. What happened?  :lol

Meh I am only cocky towards those who are bugging me. No hard feelings really. Also gaf left some sort of bitterness I guess.

edit: FFXII was great, but it did falter when Matsuno left halfway. The first 50% of the game is probably the best Final Fantasy I ever played.

Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
Not really.  XII had a great distinct style.  Too bad the game blew

I know, it looked awesome. And the game wasn't bad at all. I just never finished it.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
But seriously, is anyone really enjoying FFXIII's OST? Could it be the worst in the series?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2010, 08:07:51 PM
again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.

SE has released several GREAT games in the last few years [TLR, BBS, TWEWY, DQIV DS, DQV DS], some love/hate games [FFXIII, FFVII: CC, FFXII RW, FFIII DS, FFIV DS, DQIX, DQVI DS], and barely any "bad" games [???].

Nomura has been giving GREAT interviews and Wada and others at SE have been informative people who listen to their fans.  Just look at the newest dedication with Twitter feeds.  Kitase and Toriyama are horrible liars and give PR bs everytime they get interviewed just like most devs in the industry.

SE has made more money than any other non-Nintendo company in Japan in the last year or two.  Selling tens of millions of games.  Most of their games are highly rated on Metacritic.  They acquired Eidos with a great lineup of franchises like Hitman, Thief, Tomb Raider, Just Cause, and Batman & have been giving them good deals on steam and going by JC2 and word with Batman AA2 they haven't been screwing over the western devs at all.

They have great upcoming games with a lot of potential like FFXIV, FFXIII Versus, Agito, 3rd Birthday, a real iphone rpg, Unnamed KH 2010 project, Unnamed KH 2011 Sora project.  Plus tons of unannounced stuff.

Does this sound like a company that should fold?  No, it sounds like a good company doing financially and critically well, appeasing both gamers and investors.  
The only thing that SE could do to improve is speed up the process of game development for major titles so that they only take 2-3 years, instead of 4-5.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:09:13 PM
again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.

SE has released several GREAT games in the last few years [TLR, BBS, TWEWY, DQIV DS, DQV DS], some love/hate games [FFXIII, FFVII: CC, FFXII RW, FFIII DS, FFIV DS, DQIX, DQVI DS], and barely any "bad" games [???].

I agree.

But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:09:21 PM
Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think

Replay FF10. Also, it's not only the linearity that hurts FF13, it's the lack of variety. In FF10, you had towns, you had mini-dungeons with puzzles. It wasn't just battle, cutscene, battle cutscene.

Linearity is fine so long as you make the game varied enough to make this set up interesting from beginning to end.

Yeah, true I guess.  I just meant more in terms of game progression.  It would be nice for some more diverse situations.

What the game lacks in progression diversity, it makes up in mechanic diversity.  I just really really love the battle system.  It's probably my favorite system SE has made for a Final Fantasy.  That's why I'm not really bothered by the lack of other aspects...mostly because they aren't really important for my enjoyment.

And yes, I think the l'Cie stuff is far more interesting than the Sin storyline.  Or, rather, I like how this story is told in comparison to X's story.  The emphasis on each character's motivations, where seemingly no one character really stands out as the main protagonist or side "who the fuck cares" character, is very effective to me.  Makes me actually want to use each character (obviously you don't have a choice, heh).

Also, the datalog is great too.  The story summaries are a welcome addition.

edit: and yes, XIII's OST is pretty great.  Just wish it had a bit more fan service.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:12:25 PM
I think most rpgs has "datalogs" or just logs that summarize what you have been doing and stuff. It's nice but hardly anything special.



Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2010, 08:12:38 PM
But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

Because saying an entire company sucks and should go out of business because you don't like 1 game of theirs is stupid.


People are acting like FFXIII is the only SE game in the last five years and stands for everything the company believes in with game design.  Despite that it's just a single game and almost every game they release has different game design.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:13:01 PM
When you fight an enemy that isn't fucking around FF13 really shines brighter than a dude pissing on Christmas lights.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:13:25 PM
I think most rpgs has "datalogs" or just logs that summarize what you have been doing and stuff. It's nice but hardly anything special.





Not Final Fantasy

Quote
When you fight an enemy that isn't fucking around FF13 really shines brighter than a dude pissing on Christmas lights.

Double true.  When there's a fairly powerful field enemy, I switch paradigms on average....maybe 6-8 times?  There was one where I switched after each completed ATB gauge, and I fucking loved it  :lol
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 19, 2010, 08:13:32 PM
People are acting like FFXIII is the only SE game in the last five years and stands for everything the company believes in with game design.  

 :-X
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 19, 2010, 08:14:08 PM

I agree.

But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, ok.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:14:40 PM
I think most rpgs has "datalogs" or just logs that summarize what you have been doing and stuff. It's nice but hardly anything special.





Not Final Fantasy

Okay, that's weird. Well, about time then.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: MCD on March 19, 2010, 08:14:53 PM
can't wait for FFXIII-2.

Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:15:49 PM
But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

Because saying an entire company sucks and should go out of business because you don't like 1 game of theirs is stupid.


People are acting like FFXIII is the only SE game in the last five years and stands for everything the company believes in with game design.  Despite that it's just a single game and almost every game they release has different game design.

I agree that people are overreacting, but you have to remember that not all of these people are like us: they rarely play jrpgs. They probably haven't even heard of The World Ends With You or Dragon Quest, and really don't care So we're talking about people that play one jrpg ever few years, and that's Final Fantasy.

So I'm not going to judge others. I think S-E is doing a great job these days: they're now an excellent publisher after the Eidos buy, they've released multiple risky games in the past few years (TLR, TWEWY, even FF13 to a degree). But on the other hand, I can see people's points when they say that S-E is pretty disappointing these days.

Me, I don't give a fuck; I just want Dragon Quest 9.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
can't wait for FFXIII-2.


isn't that basically the FFXIII versus game?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: MCD on March 19, 2010, 08:17:33 PM
nope.

versus is a vaporware movie.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:17:45 PM
Versus is a prequel to 13 and looks to have 9999 x the amount of potential. I think it'll be a much much better game than FF13.

:bow Nomura :bow2
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Rman on March 19, 2010, 08:18:40 PM
But seriously, is anyone really enjoying FFXIII's OST? Could it be the worst in the series?
Let's not get crazy now.  XIII's soundtrack is one of the series best, IMO, especially post VIII.  Even those who aren't fans of the game have commented on the great soundtrack.

[youtube=560,345]HqmohNjvtqw[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]DT66kC5EDwM[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]-xMJ5Uj_i7E[/youtube]
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:18:45 PM
I'm convinced Versus doesn't even exist anymore.  It's been shifted to KH3

spoiler (click to show/hide)
for wii
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Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
Versus is a prequel to 13 and looks to have 9999 x the amount of potential. I think it'll be a much much better game than FF13.

:bow Nomura :bow2


shooting for the heights :P

FFIV will probably be a great MMORPG game, sadly I dont care about those.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 19, 2010, 08:20:36 PM
Until a dev makes a game within an inch of being good as TLR... they are #1
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
FF13's soundtrack is good, but I don't find it to be the bee's knees like everyone else seems to.

For instance, I can't stand the main battle theme anymore. Not only do we hear it 9999 x during the course of the million battles we have to plow through, but some locations even make the theme the general song for the current area you're in. I'm on chapter 10 and the battle theme is way way way overplayed and I'm sick of it already.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:22:23 PM
Versus is a prequel to 13 and looks to have 9999 x the amount of potential. I think it'll be a much much better game than FF13.

:bow Nomura :bow2


shooting for the heights :P

FFIV will probably be a great MMORPG game, sadly I dont care about those.

I signed up for FF14 beta.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Rman on March 19, 2010, 08:22:53 PM
FF13's soundtrack is good, but I don't find it to be the bee's knees like everyone else seems to.

For instance, I can't stand the main battle theme anymore. Not only do we hear it 9999 x during the course of the million battles we have to plow through, but some locations even make the theme the general song for the current area you're in. I'm on chapter 10 and the battle theme is way way way overplayed and I'm sick of it already.
I've always like it when RPGs changed their battle themes mid game or after some checkpoint.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
FF13's soundtrack is good, but I don't find it to be the bee's knees like everyone else seems to.

For instance, I can't stand the main battle theme anymore. Not only do we hear it 9999 x during the course of the million battles we have to plow through, but some locations even make the theme the general song for the current area you're in. I'm on chapter 10 and the battle theme is way way way overplayed and I'm sick of it already.

I agree, I think FFXIII's soundtrack lack serious variation. You hear the same song too often.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
I prefer the SMT/Earthbound route. Give the game multiple battle themes. In SMT3 you have different battle themes depending on location. There's a world map battle theme, there's a town battle theme, there's a dungeon battle theme and more. You have hundreds of tracks and only one regular battle theme? Really?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:25:16 PM
I prefer the SMT/Earthbound route. Give the game multiple battle themes. In SMT3 you have different battle themes depending on location. There's a world map battle theme, there's a town battle theme, there's a dungeon battle theme and more. You have hundreds of tracks and only one regular battle theme? Really?

the boss battle is different right? I dont even remember.

Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:25:52 PM
I don't see how XIII's music variation (or, lack of said variation) differs from the rest of the series except for XII.  You have a main battle theme, a boss battle theme, and then probably an über boss battle theme.

I quite like the regular battle theme for XIII.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:26:08 PM
I'm also fond of the FF12 route: no battle them period.

Or better yet...

Kingdom Hearts route: make the battle theme a remix of the location you're currently in and merge the tracks together so that whenever you get into an encounter the transition is seamless. Once again :bow Nomura :bow2
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 08:26:29 PM
I don't see how XIII's music variation (or, lack of said variation) differs from the rest of the series except for XII.  You have a main battle theme, a boss battle theme, and then probably an über boss battle theme.

I quite like the regular battle theme for XIII.

You're right. But it's 2010.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:27:14 PM
Eh, I think that's a pretty lame complaint.  You could throw that at any classic series.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:27:54 PM
what i dont like is that the crystarium system is scaling with the story.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:28:41 PM
So it's doing it's job!
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 19, 2010, 08:31:17 PM
So it's doing it's job!

I have the points, but i cannot upgrade until next cut-scene or so. That's not how it worked with sphere grid system. (since it is pretty similar)

Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:33:21 PM
Ehhh as far as I remember there were certain items you needed beyond certain points in the game (whether it be through chests or loot from battles later in the game) to be able to truly buff up your character further along the grid.  XIII is similar only this time its just contextual.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: OptimoPeach on March 19, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
How much lame weeaboo j-pop crap with vocals is there on the OST? I thought the soundtrack was pretty hawt until someone posted the gayest song I've ever heard in the FF13 thread
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 19, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
Shut up loser. Track is awesome. Come out of the closet
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2010, 08:36:36 PM
So far in my game (only about 10 hours in) the only uguu~ song is the thing that plays when they talk about Serah...I've only encountered it two or three times.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Beezy on March 19, 2010, 09:01:31 PM
again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.

SE has released several GREAT games in the last few years [TLR, BBS, TWEWY, DQIV DS, DQV DS], some love/hate games [FFXIII, FFVII: CC, FFXII RW, FFIII DS, FFIV DS, DQIX, DQVI DS], and barely any "bad" games [???].
FF, DQ, FF, DQ, FF, DQ...

So fucking annoying. I'm gonna go play Mass Effect 2.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Don Flamenco on March 19, 2010, 09:06:23 PM
I hope the next game makes it so that the characters run on their own and when you want to fight, you just hit a button.  The cinematic feel of this game is really hampered by having to point the characters down a field.  It's a linear path anyway, so why give me the illusion of control?  It's just busy work...they should run on their own.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: magus on March 19, 2010, 09:16:48 PM
bebpo wins the thread
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 09:28:39 PM
But seriously, is anyone really enjoying FFXIII's OST? Could it be the worst in the series?
Let's not get crazy now.  XIII's soundtrack is one of the series best, IMO, especially post VIII.  Even those who aren't fans of the game have commented on the great soundtrack.

[youtube=560,345]HqmohNjvtqw[youtube]

[youtube=560,345]DT66kC5EDwM[youtube]

[youtube=560,345]-xMJ5Uj_i7E[youtube]



sounds so much like something out of FFX/XII
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Ichirou on March 19, 2010, 10:10:41 PM
beezy wins the thread


Fixed.  Mass Effect 2. :rock
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 19, 2010, 10:27:37 PM
I won't miss SE if they go away but I don't really get the complains either.  It seems like SE is still pretty much giving their fans what they want. 
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 19, 2010, 10:31:40 PM
No! I still want Kane & Lynch 2!
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Powerslave on March 19, 2010, 10:33:46 PM
SquareEnix more like SquareEatsDicks
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Raban on March 20, 2010, 02:56:54 AM
FF XIII is enjoyable as fuck.  Why the hell do you care so much about graphics?  It's pretty entertaining to me and a lot of others.

But for my personal taste?  They should bring back the win the song.  That's classic.  Bring back world maps.  So much fun.  And don't factor in an Auto Battle next time.  Please

Other than that, they're not bad.

Hey Mups, why haven't you accepted my XBL friend invite? :'(
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 20, 2010, 04:20:41 AM
Quote
Quote from: BrandNew on March 19, 2010, 08:25:52 PM
I don't see how XIII's music variation (or, lack of said variation) differs from the rest of the series except for XII.  You have a main battle theme, a boss battle theme, and then probably an über boss battle theme.

I quite like the regular battle theme for XIII.

You're right. But it's 2010

FFXIII is probably the biggest soundtrack in the whole series -- it's 4 discs like the others since 7, but this time the majority of tracks don't loop.  It's hard to complain about volume/variety especially since most RPGs have 2-disc soundtracks nowadays.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: maxy on March 20, 2010, 04:36:29 AM
Yes,FF13 sucks...garbage :yuck

SE should focus on remakes,at least that has a chance to be good.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/307u6ap.jpg)

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Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: naff on March 20, 2010, 11:34:48 AM
Yeah

XII - awful

XIII - awesome

Suck it bro. FFXII makes XIII suck a dick.

FFXII = pinnacle of gaming (as long as you ignore the story, hunts ftw!!!).
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: tiesto on March 20, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
I'm in the midst of ch 7 and I'm liking FF13 better than 12 so far, it's not one of my favorites of the series but it's far from the worst. I really do miss the towns and exploration from 12, but I'd much rather have a decent battle system and better pacing over that mess of a game. The story hasn't really grabbed me yet though.

Ch 6 had some absolutely incredible graphics though and I liked the jpop music in it. Ch 4 and 5 dragged on for far too long. But ch 4 had good music.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 20, 2010, 12:35:13 PM
How does FF13 have better pacing than FF12? Its gameplay pacing is atrocious. Fight, cutscene, fight, cutscene gets old by hour 20. FF12 let you explore areas you didn't have to venture into yet via the story, hunts, and more.

If you're arguing story pacing, then I disagree point blank, though.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: originalz on March 20, 2010, 11:35:07 PM
Yes,FF13 sucks...garbage :yuck

SE should focus on remakes,at least that has a chance to be good.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/307u6ap.jpg)

 :smug

I don't get what this picture has to do with anything.  Not surprising that the trade-in value of 13 is so low, it sold insanely well, people beat it, then they sold it.  Same thing happens with other games, I remember seeing copies of FF12 for like 1000yen a few months after release as well.  Hell, Star Ocean 4 360 also had a similar fate to this.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 21, 2010, 12:20:11 AM
My inner Japafag hopes that the reason why Japan is doing so badly this generation is that the near failure of the PS3 threw things so out of whack for Japan that the developers and publishers could not adjust properly in time for this generation.  So I'm hoping next generation when they aren't so stupid as to put all of their eggs in the Sony basket, they will be on top of their game again.

SE should not fold and most of the suggestions here to fix SE suck ass.  SE RPGs should not change (read: devolve) themselves to WRPGs, which are as painfully generic and bland as JRPGs have become (ie, it hasn't made a shred of progress since the mid 90s)  Both genres can co-exist.  Instead they should just make better games instead of Final Fantasy cash-ins and archaic updates to their 16 bit library.  They did it just fine before they realized millions of gibbering morons would buy anything with a "Final Fantasy" slapped on the cover.  I imagine it will be a long while before they want to focus away from FF or cheap port jobs for the DS.  I guess they make whatever makes them money.  They're giving their fans what they want, unlike Sony.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: SantaC on March 21, 2010, 06:45:39 AM
How does FF13 have better pacing than FF12? Its gameplay pacing is atrocious. Fight, cutscene, fight, cutscene gets old by hour 20. FF12 let you explore areas you didn't have to venture into yet via the story, hunts, and more.


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Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
Anyways Santac, we already have a ff13 topic so thread this is redundant.
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Shuri on March 21, 2010, 12:32:01 PM
I'm not all that far into the game, but I didn't notice any of the compression artifacts people talked about... What gives?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: maxy on March 21, 2010, 12:50:45 PM
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I don't get what this picture has to do with anything.  Not surprising that the trade-in value of 13 is so low, it sold insanely well, people beat it, then they sold it.  Same thing happens with other games, I remember seeing copies of FF12 for like 1000yen a few months after release as well.  Hell, Star Ocean 4 360 also had a similar fate to this.

Seems fair...same quality,same fate

Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 21, 2010, 01:07:34 PM
I'm not all that far into the game, but I didn't notice any of the compression artifacts people talked about... What gives?

It's there man. It's a noticable "fuzz" filter, like something in Photoshop
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 21, 2010, 01:08:26 PM
What version has artifacting, PS3 or 360?
Title: Re: SquareEnix should just fold
Post by: demi on March 21, 2010, 01:17:20 PM
360