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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 08:29:35 PM

Title: Sonic is never ever going to have a good game again.
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 08:29:35 PM: [youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggS8xVenXfY[/youtube]

There was a tiny shred of doubt that Sega wouldn't totally screw up a legacy throwback project. But nah lets totally ignore things like momentum and level design. Kids like boosters! No more hope for this manchild.

(http://1000monkeys.com/img/imfinished.png)

I'm finished!
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Post by: Ichirou on March 30, 2010, 08:32:45 PM: Yeah, this doesn't look too good.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on March 30, 2010, 08:39:56 PM: Besides the walking up slopes thing, it looks fine.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on March 30, 2010, 08:45:06 PM: do sonic fans even know what they want anymore? That looked like any 2D sonic game. A bunch of dumb ass loops, the occasional enemy in an inconvenient spot to take away your rings, and some generally boring platforming when you aren't running through some loops at 100mph.

This is why sonic always lost at recess.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on March 30, 2010, 08:45:29 PM: Oh, barf.

His animation is really junky. Also, he's proportionally huge on screen
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Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on March 30, 2010, 08:58:05 PM: I wanted to say this looks ok, and they're pretending like they care about momentum, but then I get to :55 and see Sonic slowly walk up a completely vertical wall.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:01:50 PM: Quote from: Don Flamenco on March 30, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
do sonic fans even know what they want anymore? That looked like any 2D sonic game. A bunch of dumb ass loops, the occasional enemy in an inconvenient spot to take away your rings, and some generally boring platforming when you aren't running through some loops at 100mph.

This is why sonic always lost at recess.

Early sonic games get that rap, but they really weren't like that. Well most of the time, sonic 2 overdid the hold right to win stuff (chemical plant zone is atrocious for this), but sonic 1 and sonic 3 had genuinely interesting platforming you had to pay attention to. Those games made it so you had to monitor your momentum and speed up or slow down to avoid hazards or pass inclines. Rolling back down a hill because you didn't have the necessary speed was in many ways a punishment. I kinda wish the spin dash was never introduced to the franchise. The shuttle loops in sonic 1 and the half pipes in spring yard required -as I said- using the correct momentum.

What genesis sonic had in common with mario games is that you are essentially playing a puzzle game that required an understanding of the respective game's physics properties.

in other words, you just don't know what to look for, mang!
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:02:49 PM: At minimum the game is too zoomed in. Probably because it is optimized for 480p thanks to Wii.
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Post by: naff on March 30, 2010, 09:10:46 PM: I don't think it looks that bad. Then again, I've never been a Sonic fan :P
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Post by: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:21:36 PM: That's weird. Last I checked Sonic Unleashed is pretty fuckin awesome
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:26:04 PM: Quote from: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
That's weird. Last I checked Sonic Unleashed is pretty fuckin awesome

No it isn't. You have a bad habit of lying to yourself. Werehogs, qtes, zoom zoom lets trial and error this bitch, zzzzzzzzz
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Post by: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:30:27 PM: Sounds like you played the poop Wii version. Sorry you had a shit experience.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:34:28 PM: Quote from: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:30:27 PM
Sounds like you played the poop Wii version. Sorry you had a shit experience.

I played the 360 demo and watched some youtube vids for other stuff. It was essentially sonic rush 3, and I have played sonic advance 2 and sonic rush, which were shit for the same reasons that I observed.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:39:08 PM: Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
That's weird. Last I checked Sonic Unleashed is pretty fuckin awesome

No it isn't. You have a bad habit of lying to yourself. Werehogs, qtes, zoom zoom lets trial and error this bitch, zzzzzzzzz

Yes it is. There aren't many QTEs and Werehog is no worse than Kingdom Hearts.
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Post by: Bebpo on March 30, 2010, 09:39:20 PM: did I hear Unleashed bashing time again?

:teehee
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Post by: Bebpo on March 30, 2010, 09:39:53 PM: Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
That's weird. Last I checked Sonic Unleashed is pretty fuckin awesome

No it isn't. You have a bad habit of lying to yourself. Werehogs, qtes, zoom zoom lets trial and error this bitch, zzzzzzzzz

Yes it is. There aren't many QTEs and Werehog is no worse than Kingdom Hearts.

Yeah, but KH sucks. That doesn't help your case much!
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Post by: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:41:12 PM: True, you have always been a bastion of being wrong, Bebpo.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:43:14 PM: Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
That's weird. Last I checked Sonic Unleashed is pretty fuckin awesome

No it isn't. You have a bad habit of lying to yourself. Werehogs, qtes, zoom zoom lets trial and error this bitch, zzzzzzzzz

Yes it is. There aren't many QTEs and Werehog is no worse than Kingdom Hearts.

Kingdom hearts is a sticky glob of nomura spunk on all of gaming. So, you may want to use a better barometer there sir.
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Post by: Oblivion on March 30, 2010, 09:45:25 PM: If only Yuji Naka-san was still alive. :'(
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Post by: Ichirou on March 30, 2010, 09:47:20 PM: What about Sonic Heroes?
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:48:19 PM: Quote from: Oblivion on March 30, 2010, 09:45:25 PM
If only Yuji Naka-san was still alive. :'(

Is this a joke post?
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:52:51 PM: KH is not great but it is certainly tolerated by more people than Unleashed is. If you're playing in HD then the Werehog is no more than 30% of the game's missions. The Sonic missions are terrific.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:54:34 PM: Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:52:51 PM
KH is not great but it is certainly tolerated by more people than Unleashed is. If you're playing in HD then the Werehog is no more than 30% of the game's missions. The Sonic missions are terrific.

I disagree, I don't find course memorization fun.
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Post by: demi on March 30, 2010, 09:58:02 PM: :lol Then why do you care about Sonic? Thats what every game is! Fucking aspie.
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Post by: Ichirou on March 30, 2010, 10:01:40 PM: Same as Mega Man games, honestly. Those series all come down to memorizations of patterns.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 10:02:53 PM: Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2010, 09:52:51 PM
KH is not great but it is certainly tolerated by more people than Unleashed is. If you're playing in HD then the Werehog is no more than 30% of the game's missions. The Sonic missions are terrific.

I disagree, I don't find course memorization fun.

If you had bought the game you would have found that it was longer than the demo, and included many levels.
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Post by: The Sceneman on March 30, 2010, 10:10:13 PM: Sonic 4 is going to own!

I think...
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Post by: Don Flamenco on March 30, 2010, 10:39:45 PM: Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 09:01:50 PM
Quote from: Don Flamenco on March 30, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
do sonic fans even know what they want anymore? That looked like any 2D sonic game. A bunch of dumb ass loops, the occasional enemy in an inconvenient spot to take away your rings, and some generally boring platforming when you aren't running through some loops at 100mph.

This is why sonic always lost at recess.

Early sonic games get that rap, but they really weren't like that. Well most of the time, sonic 2 overdid the hold right to win stuff (chemical plant zone is atrocious for this), but sonic 1 and sonic 3 had genuinely interesting platforming you had to pay attention to. Those games made it so you had to monitor your momentum and speed up or slow down to avoid hazards or pass inclines. Rolling back down a hill because you didn't have the necessary speed was in many ways a punishment. I kinda wish the spin dash was never introduced to the franchise. The shuttle loops in sonic 1 and the half pipes in spring yard required -as I said- using the correct momentum.

What genesis sonic had in common with mario games is that you are essentially playing a puzzle game that required an understanding of the respective game's physics properties.

in other words, you just don't know what to look for, mang!

LOST AT RECESSS
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Post by: Himu on March 30, 2010, 10:42:04 PM: :rofl

:lol @ his jog animation

This looks TERRIBLE
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Post by: Ichirou on March 30, 2010, 10:43:52 PM: Quote from: Himuro on March 30, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
:rofl

:lol @ his jog animation

This looks TERRIBLE

q f t
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2010, 10:47:14 PM: Aside from being a bit too zoomed in, some janky animation, and the ability to calmly walk up vertical cliffs, it looks okay.
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Post by: Himu on March 30, 2010, 10:47:27 PM: :rofl

He WALKS up a 100 foot slope :lol
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Post by: bork on March 30, 2010, 11:24:32 PM: Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing is great.
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Post by: Himu on March 30, 2010, 11:25:02 PM: I want that so bad.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 11:43:50 PM: Quote from: Good Day Sir on March 30, 2010, 11:24:32 PM
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing is great.

Subspace Emissary is the fourth best sonic game ever!
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Post by: Sho Nuff on March 31, 2010, 02:53:59 AM: Quote from: Good Day Sir on March 30, 2010, 11:24:32 PM
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing is great.

I'm picking this up the minute it goes sub-$30
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on March 31, 2010, 02:56:54 AM: +1 for the Sonic Unleashed love.

That being said, Sonic 4 looks like ass in motion. I still want to try the demo, though.
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Post by: demi on March 31, 2010, 03:05:35 AM: Quote from: Sho Nuff on March 31, 2010, 02:53:59 AM
Quote from: Good Day Sir on March 30, 2010, 11:24:32 PM
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing is great.

I'm picking this up the minute it goes sub-$30

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002BH3N2W/ref=nosim/cheapassgam08-20

:teehee
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Post by: Sho Nuff on March 31, 2010, 04:53:06 AM: Quote from: demi on March 31, 2010, 03:05:35 AM
Quote from: Sho Nuff on March 31, 2010, 02:53:59 AM
Quote from: Good Day Sir on March 30, 2010, 11:24:32 PM
Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing is great.

I'm picking this up the minute it goes sub-$30

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002BH3N2W/ref=nosim/cheapassgam08-20

:teehee

Ah the superior Wii version!
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Post by: magus on March 31, 2010, 06:09:36 AM: this thread is wrong
spoiler (click to show/hide)
sonic never ever had a good game :teehee
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Post by: brob on March 31, 2010, 07:12:12 AM: I have no idea how Sonic still has any weight to his name. I get that they cornered the furry market and the infantile/'aspie that buys it to hate' market, but that shouldn't extend very far into the general market. Sonic had three games that were good. THREE FUCKING GAMES. Stop it sega. Make one of those dolphin games again or something.
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Post by: tiesto on March 31, 2010, 10:04:51 AM: Quote from: Brobzoid on March 31, 2010, 07:12:12 AM
I have no idea how Sonic still has any weight to his name. I get that they cornered the furry market and the infantile/'aspie that buys it to hate' market, but that shouldn't extend very far into the general market. Sonic had three games that were good. THREE FUCKING GAMES. Stop it sega. Make one of those dolphin games again or something.

Sega could keep churning out Sonic 2006 level garbage for all I care if it would keep them from churning out another Ecco.

:piss Dolphins :piss2
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Post by: brob on March 31, 2010, 10:16:06 AM: DE FØKK!? Ecco (1 and 2) was the shit. Just a shame that you need that useless POS megadrive-CD shit to play it.

:bow Emulation :bow2
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Post by: archie4208 on March 31, 2010, 12:15:28 PM: I actually got motion sickness watching the mine cart stage. :lol
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Post by: brob on March 31, 2010, 12:43:19 PM: Oh glorious god, that's so fucking horrid. I do not understand how you can fuck up a retro-ass nostalgia cash in unless you deliberately try to do it. Sega should have committed seppuku when the DC failed to save face.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2010, 12:56:04 PM: [youtube=560,345]BA0APvQN-7g[/youtube]

:-\
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Post by: Himu on March 31, 2010, 12:57:51 PM: :rofl
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Post by: demi on March 31, 2010, 01:01:21 PM: Wow. I blame the Wii on that one.
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Post by: Robo on March 31, 2010, 01:04:31 PM: Quote from: magus on March 31, 2010, 06:09:36 AM
this thread is wrong
spoiler (click to show/hide)
sonic never ever had a good game :teehee
[close]

Keep it real, brotha.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 31, 2010, 03:46:38 PM: (http://i44.tinypic.com/9t27o3.gif)

Some guy at gaf makes a pretty good point that sega is probably porting an iphone game to consoles.
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Post by: brob on March 31, 2010, 04:02:20 PM: yeah, it's such a preposterous idea that we should be telling him to drown in his tinfoil hat, but it seems very plausible. :'(
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Post by: cool breeze on March 31, 2010, 04:18:58 PM: so, why can't they just make a game based around the regular Sonic portions of Unleashed? that stuff was fun.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 31, 2010, 04:23:53 PM: Quote from: swaggaz on March 31, 2010, 04:18:58 PM
so, why can't they just make a game based around the regular Sonic portions of Unleashed? that stuff was fun.

True story- Sega has a policy regarding sonic games. They are not allowed to just be straight platformers. The developers are required to insert a gimmick into every game to get the greenlight. I wish I was making this up.
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Post by: brob on March 31, 2010, 05:00:01 PM: The guy in charge of Team Sonic is the dude what brought us Shadow the Hedgehog PS2. His ambition for the sonic franchise was the Sonic RPG bioware did. I'm not making that up - he said, publicly, that he wanted to make a Sonic RPG when he took over shit. :S :S :S
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Post by: Himu on March 31, 2010, 05:04:59 PM: hahhahahahha
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Post by: Crushed on March 31, 2010, 05:15:04 PM: sega took down the YT video

http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=4AtXI6JI7G%2Fu9zpA5xz3d4h4l5k2TGxc

hoooooly shi
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Post by: brob on March 31, 2010, 05:20:19 PM: Sega should take down Team Sonic. It's like affirmative action for third degree aspies who want to make video games.
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Post by: Sho Nuff on March 31, 2010, 05:43:48 PM: That mine cart level...bad touch
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Post by: Barry Egan on March 31, 2010, 06:06:32 PM: Quote from: Crushed on March 31, 2010, 05:15:04 PM
sega took down the YT video

http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=4AtXI6JI7G%2Fu9zpA5xz3d4h4l5k2TGxc

hoooooly shi

That looks about as fun as a trip to the doctor after a night out with Kosma.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2010, 09:17:30 PM: That mine cart level hurt my soul. :(
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Post by: Rman on March 31, 2010, 09:21:37 PM: Um. It looks and plays like a 2d Sonic game. What's the controversy?
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Post by: CurseoftheGods on March 31, 2010, 09:59:39 PM: Floaty LBP-esque physics.
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Post by: Moran on March 31, 2010, 10:30:44 PM: I can't believe people still give a shit about Sonic
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Post by: pilonv1 on March 31, 2010, 11:34:06 PM: Quote from: Crushed on March 31, 2010, 05:15:04 PM
sega took down the YT video

http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=4AtXI6JI7G%2Fu9zpA5xz3d4h4l5k2TGxc

hoooooly shi

:rofl what is this garbage
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Post by: Himu on April 01, 2010, 12:19:57 AM: Quote from: CurseoftheGods on March 31, 2010, 09:59:39 PM
Floaty LBP-esque physics.

Insult to LBP which is a better Sonic game than any modern Sonic wish it could be - emphasis on momentum and physics, exploration, and platforming - things that made the Genesis games special.
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Post by: Himu on April 01, 2010, 12:22:57 AM: Quote from: Rman on March 31, 2010, 09:21:37 PM
Um. It looks and plays like a 2d Sonic game. What's the controversy?

[youtube=560,345]PKQwkoXeKZw[/youtube]